even the professionals saying, no, it's too early to do that, we were very, very early with respect to china. we would have a whole different situation in this country if we didn't do that. i would rate it very, very -- i would rate ourselves and the professionals, i think the professionals have done a fantastic job. as far as the testing, you heard the admiral. i think the testing that we've done, we really took over an obsolete system or put it maybe in a different way a system that wasn't meant to do anything like this, we took it over and we're doing something that's never been done in this country. i think that we are doing very well. we took the system, we worked with the system we had and we broke down the system purposely, we broke it down in order to do what we're doing now. and within a short period of time and even now we're testing tremendous numbers of people and ultimately you're saying it will be, what, it will be up to how many people will we be able to test? >> we certainly expect with the high throughput testing that

that's no longer a barrier. the barrier is actually doing the test on a person. i'm sure as the president would inform you, in order to do the test, a health care provider needs to dress in full personal protective equipment. and there's a swab that's put in the back of the nose all the way to the back of the throat which is then put in media. the next person who has to get tested, that health care provider has to change all the personal protective equipment. when you put that in, it's highly likely a person coughs or sneezes so you're at risk. that's what we're trying to fix by all the mobile platforms and the things we're doing is to enable high throughput of this swabbing. we're doing some technological things too that might be breakthroughs to make it much faster. but we certainly expect that from thousands of people per day we will be at the tens of thousands of people per day this week, according to those --

>> does the buck stop with you, mr. president? >> normally, but i think when you hear the -- you know, this has never been done before in this country. if you look back -- take a look at some of the things that took place in '09 or '11 or whatever it may have been, they never did -- nobody has ever done like what we're doing. now, i will also say, admiral, i think we can say that we're also getting this ready for the future so that when we have a future problem, if and when and hopefully we don't have anything like this, but if there is, we're going to be very -- we're going to be starting off from a much higher plateau because we were at a very, very low base. we had a system that was not meant for this. it was a smaller system. it was meant for a much different purpose. and for that purpose it was fine but not for this purpose so we broke down the system and now we have something that's going to be and is very special. and is ready for future problems, i think we can say that very strongly. >> thank you, mr. president.

how close are you to shutting down america's northern border with canada? and could you also speak to the fact about the elections that are supposed to be taking place tomorrow? is it your advice those states postpone those elections? >> well, i'd leave that up to the states. it's a big thing postponing an election. i think that really goes to the heart of what we're all about. i think postponing an election is a very tough thing. i know they're doing, because they have been in touch with us, they're doing it very carefully. they're spreading people out at great distances as you can see. and i think they'll do it very safely. i hope they do it very safely, but i think postponing elections is a very -- is not a very good thing. they have lots of room and a lot of the electoral places, and i think that they will do it very well. but i think postponing is unnecessary. >> on the northern border, sir, how close are you -- >> we think about it. if we don't have to do it, that will be good. we have very strong emergency powers when it comes to things like this, both on the southern

and the northern borders. we are talking about different things but we'll see. right now we have not decided to do that. >> can we get dr. fauci to talk about the vaccine trial today and whether the timetable for a vaccine -- is it possible to accelerate or is it still 12 to 18 months. >> thank you for that question. the vaccine candidate that was given the first injection for the first person took place today. you might recall when we first started i said it would be two to three months and if we did that, that would be the fastest we've ever gone from obtaining the sequence to being able to do a phase one trial. this has been now 65 days, which i believe is the record. what it is, it's a trial of 45 normal individuals between the ages of 18 and 55. the trial is taking place in seattle. there will be two injections, one at zero day, the first one, and then 28 days. there will be three separate doses. 25 milligrams, 100 milligrams,

250 milligrams and the individuals will be followed for one year, both for safety and whether it induces the kind of response that we predict would be protective and that's exactly what i've been telling this group over and over again. so it's happened, the first injection was today. >> sir, the market closed down 3,000, almost 13%. your response to the market close, sir? >> is pregnancy an underlying condition? >> dr. fauci, is there guidance for someone who may have felt sick but feels better and no longer has symptoms. your fever has gone away. how long should you stay home after that point. >> if you are positive for the infection, if you have coronavirus, it is less how you feel than whether or not you're still shedding virus. so the general issue about letting people out of a facility who -- for example, a hospital, who have been infected, you need two negative cultures 24 hours

apart. >> no, the market will take care of itself. the market will be very strong as soon as we get rid of the virus. >> to clarify about pregnant women, is that -- because the uk said today that pregnancy was one of those underlying conditions. do we say that too? >> there's very little data on pregnant women. i think about a week ago i said the reports that came in from china, from the chinese cdc of the nine women who were documented to be pregnant and have coronavirus in their last trimester delivered children that were healthy and they themselves were recovered. that is our total sample size. we will be getting more data from countries. while countries are in the midst of this crisis, like italy, i try not to bother them frequently to get us their data.

we try to get it weekly from the countries that are in the midst of responding to the epidemic so that their focus is on their individuals in their country. >> mr. president, any comment on what people like devin nunes, the governor of oklahoma have been saying, encouraging people to go out to restaurants, which goes directly against what the advice in your guidance says? >> i haven't heard that. >> should they stop saying that? >> i'd have to see what they said. >> they encouraged people to go to restaurants with their families. >> i would disagree with it. right now we don't have an order one way or the other, but i think it's better if you don't. oklahoma doesn't have a tremendous problem. you said the governor of oklahoma. >> devin nunes was another. >> yeah. i hadn't heard that. >> should they be doing that or not doing that? >> it's not what professionals are saying. >> and what you said in your guidelines. >> i'll take a look at it, absolutely.

>> i don't know who would be best to answer this question, maybe the secretary or dr. fauci. school districts across the country are closing down, yet for the most part day care centers remain open and considering that children can sometimes be asymptomatic carriers and go home to older individuals, are there any recommendations about day care centers? >> i'd prefer if one of our medical professionals would discuss that. that's a clinical recommendation. >> that's a good question, john. in the original guidelines as they were presented, it was schools, not day care. i think it's very important we should probably if we have not discussed that go back and discuss that in some detail as to whether or not that's equivalent to school. good question. >> the question about the sort of underlying public health strategy behind some of these guidelines, telling people to avoid restaurants and bars is a different thing than saying bars and restaurants should shut down the next 15 days. why was it being seen as necessary to take that

additional step off that initial guidance? >> well, i think we have to say the data that has been coming out, and i'm sure you're all up to date on how long the virus lives on hard surfaces. and that has been our concern over the last two weeks. >> i just wanted to re -- there's an answer to this. >> go ahead, tony. he was my mentor, so i'm going to have to let him speak. >> the small print here, it's really small print. in states with evidence of community transmission, bars, restaurants, food courts, gyms and other indoor and outdoor venues where groups of people congregate should be closed. >> so, mr. president, are you telling -- mr. president, are you telling -- are you telling governors in those states then to close all their restaurants and their bars? >> we haven't said that yet. we're recommending things. we haven't gone to that step yet. that could happen but we haven't gone there yet.

>> on the election, you're saying it's a bad thing to postpone them. but if you've got the 10 person maximum guideline, in a practical sense can you have rallies? primaries are sure -- >> well, hopefully this will pass through and hopefully everybody will be going to restaurants and flying and being on cruise ships and all of these different things that we do and it will very, very hopefully be in a fairly quick period of time. but we're taking a tough stance. we may make certain other decisions. we may enhance those decisions. we're going to find out, as per the question that you were asking. some of those decisions maybe had -- how about one more. >> on the cyber attack on hhs, is there any reason to believe that they were trying to hack into the system and gather information from the system? and also is there any reason -- were they trying to hack to get information and also do you have any reason to think that it could have been iran, russia? do you have any reason to believe it was a foreign actor? >> so in the previous 24 hours

we saw a great deal of enhanced activity with relation to the hhs computer systems and website. fortunately we have extremely strong barriers. we had no penetration into our networks, for degradation of the functioning of our networks, for limitation of our capacity for people to telework. we've taken very strong defensive actions. the source of this enhanced activity remains under investigation, so i wouldn't want to speculate on the source of it. but there was no data breach or no degradation in terms of our ability to function and serve our important mission here. >> some people wanting another stimulus package, sir. can you speak to that? >> it's very important to get out, much of what we're talking about is for the next 15 days. mike, go ahead. >> mr. vice president, have you been tested? >> i've not been tested yet. i'm in regular consultation with the white house physician and he said i've not been exposed to anyone for any period of time

that had the coronavirus and that my wife and i have no symptoms. but we're checking our temperature regularly every day and we'll continue to follow guidance, which i think may be a good place to land at the end of the day. and that is as we expand testing rapidly around the country, through the new public-private partnership that the president facilitated, we want the tests to be available for people who have symptoms, people who have symptoms and are in vulnerable populations, and our health care workers to make sure that they can have the peace of mind that they're doing their jobs and they're properly protected. and so our best counsel, the counsel of the experts is if you have a question, call your doctor, call your health care provider, ask whether or not you should be tested. that's what my family is doing as well. let me just emphasize one more point if i can. the president asked the task force to continuously review the

data and the information that we have not only in this country but from around the world to give the best guidance to state leadership and local health care leadership and all of the american people about how to keep themselves, their family and their community safe. this guidance for the next 15 days is what our experts say is the best opportunity we have to lower the infection rate over the entire course of the coronavirus. just as the president did by suspending travel from china, just as we did with travel advisories and screening, from italy and south korea, and just as we've done with europe and at midnight tonight with the uk and ireland, we'll continue to take very decisive steps to lower the spread of the coronavirus, but we want every american to know, and we would ask all of you in the media to spread the word to the american people that this is

advice on behalf of the president of the united states to every american. what you can do over the next 15 days to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. we're calling on every american to do your part because together we'll get through this and we'll find our way forward. >> one more. steve, go ahead. >> what was the upshot of that and are you still going to be able to meet at camp david? >> are you confident in their responses as you are -- >> i'm very confident. they're in a position that some of them are in a rough position, if you look at a couple of them. and some are heading toward pretty rough territory. we had a very good conference. it was a teleconference. everybody was on the phone, every leader. and almost 100% was devoted to the subject that we're talking about today. and they are working very hard. you know, they're very

concerned, obviously, but they're working very hard. but i would say just about all of it was devoted to what we're talking about. >> are you still going to hold that summit at camp david? >> so far. we didn't even discuss that, it's still a ways off. but it was a very good discussion. they have -- there's a great camaraderie and a great togetherness. i think i can say that very, very strongly. thank you all very much. thank you. thank you very much. good afternoon, everybody. i'm john heilemann in for nicolle wallace. that was the white house briefing on the coronavirus, at a crisis point in the united states, with u.s. cases surpassing more than 4,000, which might be merely a tiny fraction of the real number considering a dire nationwide testing shortage. president trump not imposing any new orders this afternoon but recommending stricter guidelines to slow the spread of the coronavirus, including avoiding gatherings of more than ten people and stressing this new

normal could last through the summer. by the way, rating his response to the coronavirus a 10 out of 10. trump's afternoon press conference only served to amplify alarm bells blaring from what is quickly becoming the nation's ground zero for the coronavirus. that would be the state of new york which now has 900 cases reported as of today, the most of any state in the country. this morning new york governor andrew cuomo warned that his state, and by extension the country, is right now on course for disaster. >> the wave is going to break on the hospital system. we're doing everything we can to flatten the curve. i believe we've taken more dramatic actions than any state in the united states. i believe we've had the most effective response of any state in the united states. i don't believe we're going to be able to flatten the curve

enough to meet the capacity of the health care system. >> man. governor cuomo's stark warning was coupled for a call for immediate intervention by the federal government to stem the impending crisis but president trump's response has amounted to a little more than you are on your own. according to "the new york times" trump told governors today on a conference call, quote, respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment, try getting it yourselves. we'll be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. trump then directed his next message on twitter directly at new york. quote, cuomo has to do more. trump's public feud with one of the governors bearing the brunt of this crisis is just one of the major headlines out of this day in covid-19. we also saw another record-breaking plunge in the stock market. the dow closing down nearly 3,000 points.

13% again. we keep saying this, one of the biggest dow losses in history. and that's as every day americans and businesses start toc to feel the extreme across the country. san francisco announcing a lockdown the next three weeks. beginning at midnight tonight, meaning at no one in that city should leave their homes except for essential needs. the governor of ohio, mike dewine, calling for tomorrow's primary to be postponed. we have millions of students out of school, many of them for at least a month, as schools are now closed in at least half of the states. new york, new jersey and connecticut banding together to shut down gyms, casinos and even bars and restaurants except for takeout and delivery. state and local officials warn that that might be just the start. joining our conversation, physician and director of the

national center for disaster preparedness at columbia university who is also on joe biden's health advisory council. we have eddie glaude, chairman for the department of african-american studies at princeton university. former white house ebola response coordinator ron klain. plus from "the washington post" white house bureau chief, our friend phil rucker. down at the new york stock exchange, msnbc's david gura, david, i'm going to start with you. pretty stunning. last week we had on monday the biggest drop since the 2008 financial crisis. on thursday we had the biggest drop since the crash in 1987. and now today we see another stunning, stunning drop in the stock market today. tell us what is going on down there and why, if it's not self-evident, why the markets are so freaked on this particular monday. >> you're ticking through the history there. it's a bit of deja vu. we had the largest percentage drop since 1987 again today for both the dow and the s&p 500.

the worst day in history for the nasdaq. i think it's so interesting to juxtapose what we just saw with what we saw on friday afternoon. that was the president holding a news conference in the rose garden in the run-up to the closing bell. we saw the markets rise precipitously as that happened. we saw a beaming president trump after that signing the stock chart, sending it to lou dobbs and gloating about this over the course of the weekend. this was a different president trump today as he took to that podium and was asked numerous questions about the health of the stock market. the stock market is going to get through this, he said, but first we have to beat the virus. he was asked questions about the airline industry. obviously there's concern about the health of the airline industry, transportation, tourism, all sorts of sectors in this economy. he said that we've got the back of the airlines. it's not their fault. but i noted how studiously he did not say the word "bailout." larry kudlow is out talking to reporters today, talking about the airline industry, again saying they'll be taken care of. but this is an administration really grappling with the fact that things are bad and they're

going to be bad for a long while here. you had the fed chair, jay powell, holding an emergency meeting over the course of the weekend, forecasting the second quarter will be terrible and grappling with the fact this is an event the likes we haven't seen before. things are going to be bad. we don't know how long they're going to be bad. john. >> david, let me stay with you for a second and ask you this. last week monday and thursday were very bad days. you pointed out friday the market rallied when they saw president trump declare the national emergency, which at least i don't read market psychology but it did strike me it wasn't so much about trump's performance as it was the fact by declaring the national emergency, he seemed to be getting his arms around the scale and dimensions of the problem. now it's monday. over the weekend we saw the president on television a fair amount again. i ask you, what was it -- we saw stock futures get hammered last night. we knew this was going to be a bad day, not necessarily how bad it was going to be. what was it -- in terms of market psychology, what is it

that the markets rallied on friday, what did they see from trump on sunday and over the course of this day that caused them to go back into sell territory? >> all right, let's go back to friday. he was there on the dais surrounded by this panoply of known executives from companies that we all patronize, the heads of target, the head of cvs. then you had the fed cut and the president coming out gleeful about it. it happened coincident with that. it's something he's hammered on over and over again. he's keenly focused on monetary policy. what investors are wrestling with is this has happened. now we have rates between zero and a quarter point. they're very low and fed chair jerome powell is looking into his tool kit. there isn't a whole lot left there. on this emergency conference call last night he was asked about that over and over again. here we are, things are bad.

he's using what he's got. he was adamant he's not asking for permission for the fed to buy more different things, something he could do. he's very confident in the power of the tools that he has left, but, john, there are fewer tools than there were a day ago. >> usually by the end of a round of golf i've usually broken all of my clubs and feel that's sort of where gentlemjerome powell a seeing what i see, a bunch of broken clubs. doctor, give me your sense, your reaction to what we saw from president trump in terms of definitely tonally different than we've seen before but just on the facts, what have we -- >> we now have trump fully in wonderland here. this is like surreal. giving himself a 10 out of 10 as his grade of performance was i'd say laughable, but i'd probably use other language if we were not on the air. here's what we have now. we have the president continuing to self-congratulate. i'm surprised his arm is still

functioning from patting himself on the back day after day. it is an absurd situation. we're getting misinformation and directions from the federal government. still, including on testing, including on the crisis that we're facing. we're getting a tsunami that is coming at the hospital systems. it started. >> let's be clear on one thing. the fact that the president said -- we were watching it when he started this press conference. he came out and he said he thought it might not be in many july or august until this thing was over. and i'm not a great fan of president trump's, people know that. but it did seem at least there was a different tone to president trump in acknowledging that the thing could last that long. it seemed like maybe she was starting to grapple with the reality that's at hand. on the other hand we have this 15-point guidelines. no new orders. a bunch of guidelines, many of them relatively straightforward. i'm curious whether you think the tone, which was more serious i think, apart from the self-congratulations, the tone was more serious. on the substance of what he was saying and what needs to be done, is it too little that he's

suggesting right now? does he not have his arms around the problem in a realistic sense? >> he's right. it's not going to be before the summer that this is over with or at least has peaked. the problem is now we're facing another issue that they're not dealing with. first it was the testing issues, the debacle that we've had and continue to have. now they're not looking at the actual crisis in the hospitals is happening this week, today. there's not enough personal protective equipment including masks and gowns. hospital emergency physicians and hospital administrators are now beginning to freak out about what's not happening. the federal government should have been thinking and planning for this many, many weeks ago. it's similar to what they messed up with in terms of the testing. >> when i saw governor cuomo today on television talking about how no matter what we do, we are not going to be able to beat the curve, it sounded to me -- i read that as governor cuomo basically saying we are on the way of looking like italy here in the state of new york.

and he called for the army corps of engineers to come up here and start building new icu units, new hospital beds, new hospitals. is that what's necessary at this point in this state? >> that's going to be necessary very shortly. they should be doing that. but who's going to staff these new beds? are we going to take people out of their regular hospital day jobs and put them into these new facilities? i don't think so. are there enough federal assets to staff these facilities? i don't think so either. but people should be aware of the fact that something called strategic national stockpile, which is su popposed to be back supplies. we don't have enough of them. we have 92,000 mechanical ventilators around the country. another 30,000 maybe in the national stockpile. we'll need double that number. i have no idea where they're going to come from. right now my son is an emergency medicine doctor here. they need face masks. it's very basic what they need. and the government is, again, lagging way behind. >> phil rucker, i want to ask

you about what's going on there behind the scenes at the white house. as i say, i agree with the doctor that president trump continues to congratulate himself and yet to hear him say that he thought the crisis could last until mid to late summer at least was -- it did mark to my ear at least a striking shift of tone on the part of the president, compared with what we heard as recently as 24 hours ago on sunday. give me a sense of what's going on behind the scenes there and talk about what the debate internally about how to deal with this problem that dr. redliner just cited. he was on the phone with the governor saying we've got to get these ventilators and other pieces of equipment yourself. talk a little bit about all that stuff. >> john, first of all, i have to agree with you. there's a sea change today in how president trump acted in public from just yesterday. i was in the briefing room at that briefing yesterday. he was scolding the media, he refused to take questions, he was in a pouty mood and offered

no real information for the american people or for state and local leaders, guidelines about what they should be doing in their communities. today totally different. he had new information, he talked about how long this would be, he gave a sober analysis of the situation. he even condemned his own allymd people should be going out to restaurants. trump said that's not what the experts recommend. what's been going on behind the scenes and my colleagues and i reported on this over the weekend, there has been total dysfunction and chaos in this white house the last several weeks trying to wrap their arms around this crisis, trying to come up with action, trying to get that testing system sped up. it's really not been until the last couple of days that there's been a new sense of urgency around this and a plan starting to come together. and the most important element of that plan seems to be the president recognizing the magnitude of the crisis. i think we saw today for the first time that he really understands what it is that he's

grappling with. >> phil, you have reported -- you know the president's state of mind as well as any reporter in washington. is today's change in tone, this afternoon's change in tone, is it just as simple as the fact that the stock market is behaving the way it's behaving and the president is aub said with the stock market? we know that's true. we heard him say the stock market will take care of itself. he's fixated on it, always has been. has he basically been beaten into a sense of dawning reality by watching the stock market now hammer him for the third historic day in the last six days of trading? >> yeah, i mean certainly that is a key indicator that's influencing his thinking on all of this. you know, he thought when he was out there in the rose garden friday that he was turned the stock market around and that investors would be confident again. obviously that was not the case over the course of the weekend. so that's a big indicator for him. but i suspect and subsequent reporting will have to figure this out, but i suspect there

might be more to it. i know that a number of white house officials have been feeling for several days now, for weeks, that the president has been hurting the cause. that he has been spreading misinformation, not taking it seriously, not acting presidential and that's been a net negative for the federal government's efforts to try to contain and mitigate the crisis. i wonder if some advisers got through to him and really sort of grabbed him and shook him up and told him, mr. president, you've got to take this seriously and act differently. >> ron klain, i follow you carefully at all times, but especially now because of your experience with the ebola crisis from, what, six years ago now. i saw you quote tweeted a w.h.o. tweet today talking about the testing shortage. you can't fight a fire blindfolded, test, test, test, you tweeted it. i'm curious whether what you're seeing, the testing thing seems like a huge continuing problem. we've heard now some encouraging talk or talk at least meant to

encourage us that now that the private sector is fully engaged that the testing crisis is going to abate in short order, but so far, at least to my eye, it doesn't look like there's any sign that that's happening. so talk a little bit about that, about what you're seeing and what concerns you have and explanations you might offer. >> yeah, look, i agree with you and phil. we heard better words from the president today but still don't see any different actions. at the end of that press conference finally they acknowledged we're still only testing a few thousand people a day. two weeks ago they said it would be a million and now it's a million by next week. at this point in time the american people are entitled to say i'll believe it when i see it. what we're seeing is one of the lowest testing rates of any developed nation. the second front is this hospital bed problem that was the subject of the sparring between president trump and governor cuomo today. governor cuomo laid out an idea of having the army corps of engineers come and build temporary hospitals.

that's probably the best solution. all president trump did was send a snarky tweet back. so no action really on that hospital problem. the third is the other problem, which is about equipment. that's what john martin's reporting in "the new york times" is about which is the white house basically saying in terms of equipment, you're on your own. john, that's not only bad because you're on your own is never a good answer, it's bad because that equipment will wind up in the wrong place. when i was white house ebola coordinator, we coordinated the supply chain to make sure they were not going to the most powerful hospitals but where they were needed the most. so letting the supplies go wherever they might is a formula for further disaster. so better talk, actions, not much improvement. >> ron, stay right there. david gura, my friend, you need to go home because you're going to go back there tomorrow and it could be -- i don't like the idea of you having to witness that many blood baths in a row

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is this the new normal until the height of the summer? >> we'll see what happens, but they think august, could be july, could be longer than that. i've asked that question many, many times. >> donald trump spent the better part of last month insisting that the coronavirus was going to disappear with the warm april weather. it's like a miracle, he said. now it's july, august, maybe longer than that. and just this hour, across the country, six counties in the bay area of california announcing the strongest directive to help slow down the spread of the virus. san francisco mayor london breed announcing a new shelter at home order. >> the new public health order that we're announcing will require san franciscans to remain at home with exceptions only for essential outings. these measures will be

disruptive to day-to-day life, but there is no need to panic. >> joining us now, president and ceo of voto latino, maria teresa kumar. i'm going to start with you and ask you -- just give us a sense, i think today there are a lot of things happening today but one of the things beyond the drama of the market collapse, beyond donald trump in the white house is the fact that across the country, whether it's in new york city all the way now to san francisco, americans are getting -- are facing up to a grim reality of how much their lives are going to be changed and not for a short period of time. this is not going to be a thing that's going to last a week or two weeks, but that their lives are going to be altered in some very measurable and dramatic ways for many months to come if we're to believe now even someone who's been so optimistic now as president trump. so talk a little bit about what you think that means for america

and more broadly for the political climate in which we now live. >> john, that's a great question. i think the biggest question right now that the american people have is trusting the president, that anything he's going to say is actually accurate. as recently as about two weeks ago, "the washington post" has basically documented 16,000 different lies that he says from the podium. the fact that he says he didn't know about the covid is false. we had him being asked directly back in davos back in january what we were going to do about covid and he said it was under control. now americans are starting to grapple with the fact that this is serious, that this is long, that social distancing is real and they need to hunker down to protect themselves and to protect their loved ones. one of the biggest challenges is that everything is almost a perfect storm, john. we're not only talking about a pandemic we haven't seen in over a hundred years but we're talking about the census. the census takes off on april 1. we'll have people trying to knock on people's doors to

ensure they do the census. will they open those doors? we have primaries that are not completely finished that start tomorrow with arizona, illinois and florida. are people going to be standing in line to do their civic duty to ensure they are picking the democratic nominee. we have state-based registration efforts to close the registration gap. i don't want to overwhelm our public but there's still a lot of state business that still needs to get done in preparation for the 2020 election while at the same time making sure that people are feeling safe and secure. and if ever there was a day when we asked ourselves does public service matter, if there's ever a day that we ask does the executive basically steering our ship at the white house matter, today is that day because we recognize what it means to be a professional, to understand how systems work, to believe professionals in these areas. the fact that the president dismantled the pandemic office two years ago is one of the reasons why we're here today and one of the reasons why we have to understand what are the best

practices, what can we learn from other countries. for example, france today declared that louis vuitton, the maker of dior cosmetics are shutting down their operations and are only making hand sanitizers. what can we have our manufacturers do. are there manufacturers that can easily change their industry and start making those ventilators, making those tents, preparing ourselves and putting americans to work while at the same time keeping us safe. >> eddie, in the "a" block at the top of the show there was reference in the script to ground zero, to new york being kind of ground zero for the coronavirus which it seems to be. that reference, it obviously is resonant of the last time new york was ground zero after 9/11. we think back to that moment when terror struck here in its most violent form. there was a lot of discussion in the aftermath of that, that american life would change in profound ways across the country.

it was very unevenly distributed. very dramatic here in new york city and less so in other parts of the country. there were other military entanglements we got into because of that, et cetera, egt. this is a thing that feels as big as 9/11 in some respects but also more evenly distributed. it feels like we are going to have something that's going to alter the way that americans live everywhere and for -- and it will have uneven impacts on different communities within america. this is not a thing where if you're in chicago you look at new york and say, man, it's tough out there. people across the country in every state, in every city, in every town and every locality are going to have their way of life impacted in some measurable way, and not again for a week or two weeks but many weeks and potentially many months. so talk about what that -- what the impact of that is. it's very hard to get one's arms -- it's a very large question. it's happening in a presidential year, under this particular. and maria teresa talked about

some of the challenges that he has because of his problems with the truth. it seems to me this is really -- there is not a good precedent for understanding what's about to happen and what's happening right now. i want to have the discussion of where we're headed. >> i think that's a great question on a certain level. i think it actually reveals the gap, the problem with political ideology that in some ways has framed our politics for 40 years. we have witnessed since 1980 a shredding of the social safety net. part of what the coronavirus will reveal is the ugly underbelly of american society. so what we have to insist upon in this moment, as folk are talking about the airline industry, as folk are talking about small businesses, we need to talk about those waitresses and waiters in the service economy, those folks in the gig economy, those contract workers. we need to talk about the population of the homeless in san francisco. what are we doing, what are we saying about the most vulnerable among us, those who have experienced in some ways the brunt of the radical inequality that defines our society at this

moment. so it seems to me that what we need to be doing is pushing donald trump and the administration in some ways to begin what are they doing, how are they going to respond to the most vulnerable among us, to those workers who were really being dispossessed. this is an important question, particularly with regards to our health care industry as he spent since day one trying to dismantle the aca. and so what corona will reveal very clearly is in some ways the very deep problems we have in our society. >> doctor and ron, i want to get to you both because i know we're going to lose you when we get to the next break so i want to be really practical about this right now. and let's stipulate for the sake of argument right now that donald trump has had a saul on the road of damascus moment. suddenly the scale has fallen from his eyes and he recognizes how big the problem is. let's stipulate for the sake of argument that he wants to do the right thing for the country. that's all he wants right now. do you look at where we are right now and the challenges we face, many of which you've been pointing to. if you could say this is what we

need to do right now, this is what we need to do, it would be what? >> all eyes now on the hospital systems in america. they are already stressed. it's going to get phenomenally worse in ways that americans cannot possibly imagine. the hospital workers from the house cleaners to the dietitians to the doctors and nurses are in mortal danger. i don't want to overstate this, but the fact of the matter is these are our troops going to the front line in a battle. we need to protect them. this is job one right now. we need the equipment. and it's the basic stuff, john. it's the face masks, it's the personal protective equipment, and then it's making sure that there's room for people in the hospital. don't forget, a lot of people with non-covid disease will be having chest pain or getting in car accidents. they're going to need care. that care is also going to be compromised because of the coming tsunami of patients that are about to hit our american hospitals. so focus on the health care and

the hospital system. i don't care what we're going to do -- i care, but we need to put the concerns about the testing a little bit to the side and focus on making sure our hospitals are able to function and that our workers are safe. >> ron, dr. redlener, these are all important matters, obviously. i talked to you a second ago about the important of testing. dr. redlener just said testing is really important but if we have to focus on one thing, we have to focus on the hospital system. i ask you the same question i asked him. if you could get through to donald trump with clarity and focus right now, what would you tell him to focus on? >> what i'd say is this is the kind of problem where sadly you can't just focus on one thing. we need to fix the testing situation. we need to increase hospital capacity. we need to get that equipment in place. we also need to deal with keeping our society functioning. you know, even when most people stay home, there are workers that have to run the electrical power plants and run the water

plant and run the cell phone plant and all these things. there are a lot of people. we say only essential. we think of that as a small number, it's a large number. we have to protect all those people too. this is a super complicated thing. i can say from running one of these responses before, there are hundreds of moving parts. i'm sorry, there isn't one thing, we need to do all these things if we're going to keep our society functioning, keep our people safe and get through this situation. >> phil, i'm about to lose you too so i want one question real quick to you. from your excellent reporting over the weekend, one thing stood out to me among many things, one particular thing. a senior administration official quoted in your piece saying the problem is no one is sure who is in charge. so there are two things wrapped in that quote. one is the question of who is in charge, and the other is that everyone is uncertain about who is in charge if anyone is in charge. so i ask you right now, this story is moving by the hour. there is any greater clarity right now in the administration about who is in charge, and do

people within the administration apprehend that there's greater clarity? like is everyone getting onto the same page here? if so, what page is it? >> john, that's a great question and an important one to ask. the problem is that i can't even give you an answer. the president went through the motions today at that news conference and checked some boxes and said some of the things people want to hear, but that does not mean that the problems internally are fixed. in fact our reporting shows that he has been fixated throughout this crisis on two things, his self-image and the stock markets. why the stock markets? because he sees that as a barometer for his chances of re-election. hes ifis fixated on himself. mike pence is leading the task force. jared kushner in recent days has taken control of some aspects of this but he has zero experience in managing the vast federal bureaucracy and he has zero expertise in infectious diseases. >> right. okay, i could talk to you all

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i'm president, is to shut this president up right now, because he is undermining the doctors and the scientists who are trying to help the american people. it is unacceptable for him to be blabbering with unfactual information, which is confusing the general public. we are the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all people. we're spending so much money, and yet we are not even prepared for this pandemic. >> with all due respect to medicare for all, you have a single-payer system in italy. it doesn't work there. it has nothing to do with medicare for all. that would not solve the problem at all. this is like a war. and in a war, you do whatever is needed to be done to take care of your people. >> there you had how a bernie sanders or joe biden presidency would handle the coronavirus crisis. four states set to have their primaries. in the last hour, ohio's governor mike dewine now recommending postponing in-person voting in ohio until june. joining this conversation right

now, politics editor for daily beast, sam stein. sam, it strikes me that basically an unpopular incumbent, donald trump, the kind of election that he would want in a general election would be to try to make the election a choice between me and the other guy and try to make that other guy unacceptable. in these circumstances, it looks a lot more to me like it's going to be unavoidably a referendum on donald trump and his leadership. tell me if i'm right or wrong about that and say some more of your smart things. >> well, i mean, it's tough to know where we're going to be in two weeks, let alone two months, let alone four months. so at this juncture, of course, a referendum seems like the only possible election to have. we're in the midst of a national crisis in which the federal government is the chief operator and the guy running the federal government is the one who's getting the grade. of course, trump is actively trying to said he gets a 10 out of 10, and deferring all responsibility to the governors. but the fact of the matter is the buck does stop with him.

now, is that where we're going to be in october, november? i don't know. no one can actually say with certainty, but, you know, i think you're absolutely right. if the election were held today, it would be a referendum, and i don't think it would go particularly well on donald trump. that's not to say that bernie sanders and joe biden don't have their weaknesses still heading into a general election, but, you know, we're in a calamitous moment nationally, and the president's entire reason for re-election rests on the strength of the economy, where we're about to head into a massive recession. so, yeah, i think a referendum is where we're heading. >> maria teresa, i ask you, this is obviously a challenging moment for the two democrats who are still running for the democratic nomination. but it's more challenging, i would say, for bernie sanders, given that the nature of his campaign relies on large events and rallies and crowds. that's one way in which this coronavirus is impacting the democratic race. tell us other ways in which you think that this has changed the nature and shape of the remaining contests between these two democrats. >> well, one of the things that we're hearing is not only the

postponement of voting, as you mentioned, in ohio, but they're both deciding since they cannot do large rallies, they're trying to do telecommunications. we're seeing a new modernization of the town hall. let's see if it sticks. that's really hard to do. but i think that for bernie sanders, his message has always been this revolution. what is happening right now, most americans basically say, we don't want that. we just want to make sure that we can get through this coronavirus. and this really allows for joe biden to come and say, look, we are going to be steady, we are going to get through this, we are going to make sure that we are going to cover every single american today, not tomorrow, today. and that is where the bernie sanders message of a revolution is increasingly less hopeful. i think that what we're experiencing right now with the pandemic, we are seeing the underpinnings of inequity in this country, and that will have to be resolved post november, but folks are not interested in doing that immediately. and that's where i think you're going to see the wind sails coming out of the bernie sanders campaign.

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