yeah. >> can you respond to something, mr. president, before you leave owhat john was saying. you called for people to leave politics out of this. joe biden said the world health organization offered testing kits that they had available to the united states and to give it to us now, we refused it. we didn't want to buy them. polit fact said the w.h.o. never made that offer. >> that's what i heard. i'm going to let tony answer that question or whoever is best at answering that. i have to say, when you talk about politics, i watched the debate. not too exciting. but what they said about me and we've done a great job, when you talk about not being bipartisan, what they said about me. and if you look at swine flu, the whole thing and i guess it was 2009, and what they did and the mistakes they made, they were terrible. they were horrific mistakes. 17,000 people died. and i'll be honest, they shouldn't be criticizing because

we've done a fantastic job. the only thing we haven't done well is to get good press. we've done a fantastic job, but it hasn't been appreciated. even the closing down of the borders, which had never been done, and not only did we close them, we closed them early, the press doesn't like writing about it. so we've done a poor job on press relationships, and i guess i don't know who to blame for that. maybe i can blame ourselves for that. i will blame ourselves. but we've done a great job. we've done a poor job in terms of press relationship, but let me have somebody answer your question. >> so, i tried to cover this in the answer when i talked about quality of kits. and our quality analysis runs through the fda. so all of these platforms, we have asked people to submit. and we've asked states to quality control. so, i mean, anybody could submit their test to us. we don't buy tests that haven't been quality controlled, and

they show us the data. either show us the data up front or show us the data after they've been running them because quality testing for our american people is paramount to us. it didn't put out a test where 47% or 57% are false positives. imagine what that would mean to the american people. imagine their level of concern and telling people they're false positive. we take the same approach to hiv. imagine telling someone they were positive to hiv and they weren't. so that is our bottom line. the customer, the american people first. and so any of these groups can submit their testing kits through our regulatory processes. but without that, and without a plan, we are not going to accept tests that have not been studied by us. >> good answer. good answer. you have something on that? >> i am just going to emphasize a little bit more on that when i became involved in the testing

world, i called as senior officials at the w.h.o. as i could find to understand what the situation was. and as far as i can tell from sources that should know, no one ever offered a test that we refused. >> that's what i heard, too. >> this is a research grade test, right? research grade test that was never -- not approved. not submitted to the fda. that was suppliesed in tens of thousands of quantities to 100 countries in the world, okay? so i think there's a lot that people are saying about this that's just based on rumor and myth. nothing was offered that we refused. it was a research test that was not approved. and again, there was a small number that we have greatly surpassed in a very short period of time. >> so number one, nothing was offered. number two, it was a bad test. otherwise, it was wonderful. listen, thank you very much. he made a mistake. i assume he'll apologize. thank you all very much. thank you. we'll be back. >> and that was president trump

leading a press conference that went on for a while, about an hour and a half, through a whole range of issues but a couple of major headlines. the government planning to use emergency powers to shore up what they know is going to be a devastating economic impact from the coronavirus, including putting money in your pocket within the next couple of weeks. plans to shore up major industries and also what to do about your taxes. there was also medical news made, including what you heard at the end there. major questions all around the country about testing capabilities. thanks for joining us with this coronavirus special. once again, i'm chris jansing. >> i'm joshua johnson. let's begin with david gura. the treasury secretary, steve mnuchin, made some news there and said that the federal government is planning to get money into the hands of americans right now. it sounds like that's still in the works, but do we know what that might mean? >> a lot to be figured out here, but i was struck by the tone of the treasury secretary. a lot of urgency in what he had

to say. as you know, joshua, there's been this back and forth about what the most effective means by which you can stimulate the american consumer is. the president said as somebody who favors a reduction in the payroll tax, it seems he's come around. the administration has come around to the idea of there being a one-time or two-time infusion of cash into everyone's pockets. now the treasury secretary said before he left the dais there that he's going up to capitol hill. his negotiations continue with leaders in congress and we'll hear more about this plan to come, but it sounds like where the administration leading for a quick check to american consumers of an amount yet to be determined. >> they made the statement in the next couple of weeks. a lot of questions we've been getting here have also been about taxes. they basically said file your taxes but, if you owe money, we're going to give you a little bit of breathing room, right? >> yeah, something the treasury secretary emphasized as well. if you need more time, take more

time. you'll not be forced to pay any more interest as a result of delaying but you heard steve mnuchin there say a couple of times, if you can file now, file now because of what you just said, chris. if you're owed a refund you'd get that from the federal government and at this time when the social fabric seems tenuous for so many people as they look at this economy, it would be beneficial. it would be a help to get that refund on time or early from the federal government. >> david gura down on the floor for us. thank you so much. we have a lot to talk about. we have a big panel. look, there's what's going on with the markets right now in the wake of what we heard from the treasury secretary again who is now on the hill. up 637 points. we're going to keep our eye on the markets and bring in our medical contributor dr. natalie azar, science contributor and virologist dr. joseph fair and the president of ucla health, janice. let's start with where they finished because it was peppered

throughout this press conference, questions about testing. i'm going to go straight to a question from one of our viewers. short, sweet and to the point. when is the testing going to be figured out and implemented so we can get this insanity to end? obviously, that person understands the importance, dr. fair, of testing. what did you hear today, and what does it mean? >> so the positive news first, i heard that state laboratories are going to be able to use their own test and submit them for a rapid certification. >> why is that important? >> more tests will be broadly available across the united states because, obviously, what we've been doing, at least from a federal level, has not worked. we have not gotten the test out. that's put us months behind the curve in diagnosing people, isolating them and getting them into care when they need them. step zero to an epidemic response is diagnostics. they have to go through the regulatory process. what's unfortunate, i did hear about that, we talk -- they mentioned that the first test, at least the w.h.o. test, was inaccurate and had been through the test.

that's the opposite of what happened. the reason the w.h.o. didn't offer us the test is because they only offer them for free to impoverished nations. we have to buy them and the tests that were out that were inaccurate and not, you know, false positives and false negatives as dr. birx mentioned were the cdc test, not the commercial tests. that's the opposite of actually what happened. >> and an important distinction. >> it's very important. going forward does it sound like we're in a far better place than we were even a few days ago? >> absolutely. engaging the commercial sector fully and engaging more commercial companies rather than just the two that we've engaged, right call. engaging the state public health laboratories. you know, we have a saying in our world that especially making these diagnostic tests which is what we call pcr, it's not rocket surgery. these are fairly easy tests to make but they still have to go through the regulatory process. we still have to have a number of tests run to prove the positive controls work, the negative controls work and that you're actually getting an accurate result. you aren't sending someone home

that's negative that's actually positive and you aren't sending someone to the hospital that's actually negative. >> doctor, does today's news give you any comfort that you might be able to provide better service to the people in your care? >> yes, we were very pleased to hear the news today. ucla health and the david geffen school of medicine was one of the first to be able to do our own covid-19 testing but we could only do about 40 a day based on the amount of reagent we had and the staffing and we were partnering and using some tests from the national labs. those tests took two to three days to come back. our own test, we can get back in several hours. so we're thrilled to hear we can do more of our own testing. >> there are a lot of other questions out there. one of the things we've heard repeatedly from some governors is the role all of us play in keeping ourselves safe and in making sure that spread of the virus is mitigated as much as possible. dr. azar, let me go to you with

a very straightforward question from one of our viewers. what is a realistic plan for disinfecting at home or an office? there's no wipes anymore. no bleach. no sprays. what does disinfecting actually mean and entail? >> well, that's a great question. and i would urge everybody to go to the cdc.gov website to learn about all alternatives and available reagents they can use. y i know that there's been a run on bleach but you can also use hydrogen peroxide at varying different concentration goes. to the cdc.gov website to review all of that. you don't have to already buy it premade. you can make it at home yourself. i think one of the biggest lessons or biggest things to tell people is when you do disinfect a surface, leave it on until it dries so if you are using a solution on a countertop or a sink or something like that, you don't wipe it dry but

whatever you use to wipe it on, you allow it to air dry like we tell people when they use hand sanitizer to let it -- don't just purell for five seconds but wipe your hands until it dries so you get the most surface area covered and best efficiency out of the product. >> the cdc's website says one of the options is diluting your household bleach. one-third cup of bleach per gallon or four teaspoons per quart of water. if it's an alcohol solution, they say you ensure it has at least 70% alcohol content. >> if i can add to that if you have a pool and chlorine, chlorine can be used in the same fashion and the cdc guidelines are -- have how to make that at home. >> another question from one of our viewers. the viewer asks, our governor just closed schools for three weeks. one of my grandchildren is in a household where both parents must work. my husband and i are 69 and 70

and have mild underlying conditions. how do we watch our 10-year-old grandchild for 15 school days safely? >> and chances are it might be until the end of the year. a lot of schools are extending that as well. >> that's what i'm wondering. can it be done safely when we're told to self-isolate, the young from the elderly. >> we're in an unprecedented circumstance here. i wish i had an easy answer for that question because that's going to face a lot of americans. a lot of americans will be in that exact same scenario. >> so if a family member or friend asked you that question, what would you tell them? >> so, you know, it is something that does pose a challenge even to our workforce and health care now that the schools are closed. we need to get people into work. we are really trying to look at other ways to provide people support for child care so that they can really feel safe about leaving their children. >> you know, i think that also dovetails into another question we got from a viewer that sort of is along the same lines.

this viewer writes, what does it mean to self-isolate? if a person lives with several other people, is the self-isolator to avoid all contact with them, even six feet away? does the person need to stay in a certain room that others don't go into? dr. azar, this dovetails into a lot of other questions. when we say isolate and quarantine yourself, how far away do you have to be? >> what's your family doing because you're home because you had potentially a contact with someone. >> potential exposure, i know. what's interesting is that if you really do a deep dive into all of these terms, there's different gradations, even isolation, quarantine and something called self-monitoring. our own president and vice president pence were checking their temperatures after being in the same environment and theoretically had some potential exposure. so there's definitely different levels of that. what i will say is that by definition, when one is -- if somebody is in isolation in their home, we're assuming then

that they are a laboratory confirmed case. they need a designated area in the house that is just for them. and ideally only one other household member will be their caretaker. that person will go in and out, washing hands on their way in, on their way out, sanitizing, wearing gloves. ideally, utensils will be plastic, not be reused. the trash can will be lined. if you are just an individual who is self-quarantining, meaning that you might have been exposed but you're asymptomatic and living in a house with other people, as far as i know, the recommendation root night now ir household members are not necessarily in quarantine. they'd be considered the contact of a contact who might have been exposed. that may change from the doh when they say, listen, if you're in quarantine because you might have been exposed but you're asymptomatic, that has to come again from the government, either local, state or federal, because that would be a change in a typical epidemiological

practice as i understand it. >> one of the big questions that tame today during this briefing was about restaurants. and one of the things they said was the president had just talked to the heads of fast food restaurants, urged them to keep the drive-through open. you want as many businesses to continue to have business and be able to employ people as possible, but this is a question we've gotten repeatedly from our viewers. is ordering food through a delivery service a smart alternative? i'm questioning potential virus exposure via the delivery person and/or the -- and this applies to all restaurants that have carry-out, the people cooking, prepping the food. that's from kathy in phoenix. dr. spisso, you want to tackle that? >> so, you know, i think what we're as part of the whole social distancing, right, what we're asking people is to try to really make the decisions about how they get their food. obviously, we don't want anyone coming to work in restaurants or takeout if they have any symptoms, if they are having any cough. we encourage that same type of

protection during regular flu season. we just need to be more vigilant now than ever. >> so i would also add to that, too, if you are going to order out, which is going to be a necessity for a lot of people, stick with hot foods and stick with foods that theoretically you can microwave when you get home. it may not taste as great as you microwave it but at least you're making sure that, you know, you are killing, inactivating the virus that may be present. if you are touch anything kind of container, that can still vary the virus on it. so make sure you wash your hands after it and before you eat. >> johnese spisso, thank you. and the other doctors, they are going to stay with us. still ahead, remembering the often overlooked members of society. we'll talk about what's being done to help the homeless and the underserved deal with coronavirus. it's hard not knowing what will and will not keep you safe. a psychiatrist will talk us through the mental and emotional tolls of coronavirus next. first, let's hear a little of what officials and people

around the country are saying today. >> i think the only models right now are the great depression in terms of the economic impact. i think it's going to blow by the great recession. >> it's people hoarding toilet paper and water and just going nuts in the grocery store. >> i don't think i'm going to vote, no. >> because you don't want to get close to somebody? >> just for my own protection. >> i haven't seen my daughter in over two weeks. it breaks my heart. it is a hard time on every level. it is a frightening time on every level. what's for dinner? (fake gagging noises) ♪

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welcome back to msnbc's special coverage of the fight against the coronavirus. according to the national institute of mental health, nearly 1 in 5 adults lives with mental illness. that's more than 46 million people. about 42% of them receive mental

health services. according to the national survey of drug use and health, more than 19 million american adults battle substance abuse and more than 8 million suffer from both a mental health disorder and substance abuse. >> coronavirus can take its toll regardless of whether one has a diagnosed condition, but with cases rising and people taking more precautions, it can be harder to cope, especially if this is disrupting your daily routine or your mental health resources. >> joining us was the former president of the american psychiatric association, dr. jeffrey lieberman. these are some of the most numerous questions we get. let's jump into them. i'm having difficulty hand ling the separation from my husband who was in the hospital with double pneumonia when it was locked down to visitors. i understand and agree with the situation but the patients are depressed in not seeing their loved ones and we feel powerless without the ability to be with them. i know the nurses and doctors are stressed out and doing their best. do you have any advice for family members on the outside? >> isolation is important for

the purpose of containing the spread of the virus in hospitals, nursing homes and other places that are -- have people who are at high risk, taking those precautions appropriately. isolation at the same time is a byproduct of it. it compounds the problem for not only the patient but from their family. so for the wife who is asking, one thing would be to see if you can communicate with them virtually. call by the phone. ask a nurse or an aide or some health care provider if they can go in the room with a phone or with an ipad and/or -- >> facetime. >> and to speak to her husband. and to maintain as much contact as you can. if her husband is able to communicate via a text messaging or by facetime themselves if they are allowed to have a cell phone, then use that. virtual technology is being utilized in enormous ways it hadn't before and will probably set a precedent for the future.

>> can we clarify something. the person who wrote the question said the patients are depressed at not seeing their loved ones. can we be clear. there's a difference between being depressed -- >> absolutely. >> -- and having clinical depression. just because you're depressed doesn't mean it's a diagnosable condition and certainly doesn't mean there's something wrong with you. >> thank you, joshua. that's like the nomenclature for -- from a clinical depression disorder and sadness, to being depressed is a very sad one. if you're in the hospital, it's not a happy thing to begin with. it if it's compounded with the isolation, that doesn't mean you have a mood disorder and are clinically depressed. it is something that can be helped and having ability to communicate with family, loved ones, friends as opposed to sitting there by yourself with your own symptoms, only dealing with hospital staff, that can be depressing. and the hospitals are trying to do something but, frankly,

although everybody is under stress now, the health care providers on the front line are really on the spot. >> i was wondering if you have any tips for college university students that have transitioned to online schooling. how do we improve our mental health and stick to a schedule while staying inside. >> chris, the way i would frame it is -- oh, i touched my face. >> you're allowed one. you cashed it in. >> there's different buckets of the population that people fit into in terms of their risk and in terms of the way they're psychologically going to react to this. first the worried well whom most students would be members of. and then individuals that have milder or less severe mental disorders, anxiety, depression, obsessive compulsive, phobic disorders, substance abuse and then the really severe psychotic disorders and then individuals in the high-risk groups for complications of coronavirus. the elderly, immunocomprised

conditions. for the worried well which is most college students, they have to first try and frame this phenomenon which is unprecedented and allow themselves to take some control. in other words, it's bad, but it's not necessarily going to kill you. we will recover. other countries already have passed through it. so that time needs to be adapted to use most productively. and all universities are shutting down so all students are going to have this problem. >> i'm glad you mentioned the worried well because that gets to a very sad question from a parent. and the parent asked, my child is so scared that she won't sleep in her bed because she thinks she's going to die. i have tried to talk to her. she's 9 years old. i've tried to calm her but i'm not doing a great job. >> let her sleep with you. she can sleep in the same room. >> are there words, phrases, i know it's very different from a

4-year-old to a 9-year-old to a 16-year-old. what's the basic message we should try to convey to kids. >> this is something we've never experienced but it's something that we're going to get through, and everything will be normal. the only thing that won't come back is death. if people die, they're not going to come back. so that's the thing we have to prevent. but i would say to my -- i have to say it to my family members, not just young children, is that this is something which you should be nervous about because nobody has ever experienced anything that has had this pervasive an effect. but there are aspects of it that should be reassuring. it's not ebola or small -- we're going to get through it. and you are somebody who is not necessarily going to be severely at risk in terms of medical danger, physical danger, but we do have to adapt. and you have a responsibility as an american citizen to first take care of yourself but then you have to take care of your

family and other citizens as well. >> and before we move owe're trying to keep the hospital system clear for people who have acute symptoms of coronavirus and so forth, but at what point would you recommend people seek some kind of help from a mental health counselor, psychiatrist, psychologist, if they're doing all these things and it doesn't seem to be making a difference, how do we know when to raise our hand and say, i actually need some other kind of help? >> did you have some psychiatric training? >> no, but i mentioned this last week. i've been treated for agennxiet and depression before. at what point do you ask for help? >> medical authorities are saying if you're sick, don't come in. call your primary care provider and only if you're on death's door come in because they'll get overwhelmed. with mental health care, it's the opposite. the worried well can handle most things. pre-existing conditions. and the first thing to try are techniques of mental health.

don't catastrophize. don't watch the media 24/7. distract yourself with activities. reframe. but if it gets too much, or if you have a pre-existing condition, you'll probably have an exacerbation of symptom, which will warrant an increase in treatment whether it's medication or increased contact with your doctor or therapist. if you call your doctor and they don't take your call, you get another doctor. >> jeffrey lieberman, former president of the american psychiatric association, thanks very much. still ahead -- the lightning round of your biggest questions. including whether there's going to be a rumored nationwide lockdown. plus, lots of questions about immigrants and the homeless. an expert will help us unpack what could happen to the underserved and what can be done about it. ♪

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welcome back to our special msnbc coverage of your questions about the coronavirus as nearly 700 people in the san francisco bay area are staying inside. tens of thousands of homeless residents are being told to seek shelter.

>> housing advocates fear an outbreak of coronavirus in homeless populations, as shelters across the country scramble to increase capacity and maintain social distance. >> joining us now, the president of the boston health care for the homeless program, james o'connell and the director of the government accountability offices homeland security and justice team chris curry. he testified in the coronavirus hearing on capitol hill. gentlemen, thanks to both of you. i want to jump right in to our viewers' questions. james, one concern this viewer says that everybody has and is being overlooked is the homeless. they have no access to any health care and can spread the virus across states and the country faster than people can afford regular health care. what we are doing to help the homeless get help, medically, food and shelter. that's lewis from maine. >> that's a great question. i think we are scrambling in cities throughout the country trying to figure out what is best to do with homeless populations. we've learned as physicians and nurses that the homeless folks

will frequently show us the weaknesses in our health care system long before whey realize it otherwise. you hear about the standard public health measures to control this outbreak, social isolation or social distancing is one of them. and quarantining is another. and when you have no home and no place to do that, it really challenges our public health measures. so cities across the country, including boston where i am, are trying really hard now to look at places where we can learn to test the homeless folks and isolate them and find places where they can go when they're sick. >> it was really moving to me as i read through the questions, joshua reads through them every day, to see how many people were concerned about the homeless that they saw in their cities or where they lived. is there something you can tell them about how they can help? >> i think, first of all, we can help by realizing that these are our poorest citizens who are going to be at risk for this virus, not because of their

social economic situation but because we only have shelters for them. in most cities, boston included, we have shelters with 100 or 200 or 500 people and when one person gets sick, that means the transmission will be like wildfire. and so to protect them, it's something we need to do. and i would urge everybody to just understand that this is a problem for each of our cities and towns. that if homeless population gets this vir, it affects all of us and we should all pitch in to try and help with food, with making sure people have places to go that -- where they can be distance between them, six feet, and i think each city has an obligation to make sure we have a place when people are sick where they can go and be cared for. >> chris curry, let's put the next question to you. one of our viewers asked, i wondered if anyone has data or information on whether current immigrants held at the border have any positive coronavirus cases at this time? and if our government has a plan to protect or test that population should it become an

issue. >> chris? >> good question. i don't know if anybody has that data. i'm sure the federal government is tracking that data. but we do know anybody entering this country at this time at a land port of entry or sea port of entry, any place at the border, according to what's been said so far in the press releases, they are being screened for this virus. >> to that end, let's get to the next question which dovetails into that one. another viewer wrote, what protective actions are being done for the immigrants in the various detainment centers. they're overcrowded, no sanitary conditions, according to the information and photos from last year's news reports, and there had been some deaths last year due to no treatment available. covid-19 wasn't even an epidemic at that time. chris, what about that? protective actions. >> yeah, well, it's hard to say right now at specific detention centers. it is true some of these places are very, very crowded. but these places are no different than any of the other

places where there's a lot of people being held at any given time. the same issue has been raised about our prisons and jails. and i think all organizations are assessing how do we keep people at the proper social distance from each tortother to protect them given the circumstances. >> there's one more big picture question, and we get it often. it's about immigrants who may not have the proper papers and are worried and if they are feeling sick. one of our viewers asked, a few immigrant families i've spoken to fear reaching out due to their legal status. what should we say to them? chris? >> good question. i think, you know, again, i would defer to the cdc guidance and go to cdc.gov. this applies to everybody in our country, whether you are an immigrant or a citizen here legally or not. the same preventative actions still apply to all human beings.

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dr. fair, let's begin with this one from denise. is there any truth to the rumor that the government is going to impose a national lockdown in 48 hours? >> let's talk about what lockdown means. quarantine is different from isolation. and that's different from social distancing. so what we are talking about lockdown, what i'm presuming she's talking about is, it would be a shutdown of all nonessential commercial services so bars, restaurants, any place where you are going to have -- >> essentially what we're seeing in italy. >> essentially what we're seeing in italy. >> pharmacies, hospitals, news outlets, they'll stay open because those are considered essential services at this time. >> and the president said at the press conference we're not at that point yet, but it's important to differentiate that as you were saying. >> absolutely. as a professional, i -- in public health, i would advocate for it at this point. i know what that means economically, but it's easier to take a week, prepare for it, do it and you can at least project what it's going to do to us

economically versus letting this go on for months and spread from state to state and city to city. >> it's worth noting the centers for disease control does broadly have the power to detain people suspected of having some sort of commu communeicable disease but they're considering restrictions on hot spots. dr. azar, do we have to continue washing all day and not touch our faces if we are in our own homes? >> if you haven't left your house and you haven't come into contact with anybody other than your household members, then you don't, although i think we've all started doing it a little bit subconsciously so it's not a bad idea to avoid touching your face but if you aren't exposed to anything, it's not really a concern. >> dr. torres, why should people stay in the house as opposed to walking in the fresh air and sunshine? is it okay to be out working in the yard and walking the dogs? >> the goal is that social distancing. six feet away from somebody else. they are saying staying in the

house so you don't go to areas where others may be around you. you may not get that six feet of separation. if you can go outside and maintain that six foot of separation, that fresh air will do you some good. you'll get the vitamin d and it will help your mental health as well. make sure you have that social distancing. that's all important right now. >> amy asks, our schools are closed here. is it okay for my 6-year-old to play outside with the neighborhood kids? we've gotten a lot of questions about play dates. >> i would watch out with playing with little kids because you don't know if they're sick to begin with. now is a good time for the next week or two to take your children and say let's go play our own games, play outside by ourselves and make sure we're not that close to anybody else because those children could be sick and could transfer it to your children. you just never know. >> dr. fair, one of our viewers asked, do uv or ozone lights have any effect on killing the coronavirus? >> absolutely, both do. that's how we sterilize labor

tos -- laboratories at night. make sure you're not in when you turn them on because it will damage your eyes and skin. uv light does. that's why sunlight is nature's greatest disinfectant. >> the world health organization is warning people not to buy uv lights for themselves. it's not the easiest thing on your scene. do not buy it to clean your own skin. when you go out and about and you practice good social distancing, what should you do with the clothes you are wearing when you get back home? dr. azar, do we need to boil or bleach or burn our clothing? >> no. i don't think so. we know the virus definitely survives longer on hard surfaces such as stainless steel or plastic. more porous things like the material of our clothing is not as hospitable to the virus so i don't really think we need to be boiling our clothes every time we wear them, no. >> dr. tor ewhen we saw people

rushing to get their groceries, one thing we saw them buying is water. why should we be stocking up on bottled water? won't our normal water supplies be safe? >> that's one of those things i can't figure out along with the toilet paper rush that's going on. the water is going to be safe. our water systems are going to work. i'm a big advocate of having two week supply anyway all year around and that's included in that. at least having a little on hand. but as far as going out because you think something is going to happen with our water system or it's going to be contaminated, that's not at this point going to happen. you probably don't need that water. >> i've been wearing knit gloves when i go out as well as at home watching tv. dr. azar, is this as safe as wearing plastic or rubber gloves? >> well, just by the nature of the material, the rubber or the latex glove is going to be impervious to the virus so it won't be able to get through. a knit glove theoretically could. but the advantage of wearing anything on your hand is that

you're probably less likely to touch your face if you have something on your hands but don't assume the virus isn't in the glove and i would certainly, as soon as you remove the glove, wash the glove. >> since we asked about hands, let's finish with a question about shoes and what's on your feet. susan asks, your shoes. should they be left outside or just by the door? are you walking the contagions around your house otherwise? dr. fair? >> it's just a personal preference but i always make everyone take off their shoes when they walk into my house anyway. that being said, assuming you're just walking outside, assuming you're not walking on, you know, surfaces that people have coughed all over, et cetera, we're in a time of a pandemic where the science is still out there. it's a good idea. le leave them near the door. i'm not going to recommend you leave your shoes outside all the time but it's a good idea to take them off at the door and leave them there. >> doctors, thank you all very

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welcome back to our special coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. we are asking and answering your questions about the outbreak, including questions about the economic impact. we saw a nearly 3,000-point drop on the dow jones yesterday. here's a look at the three major indices right now, and you can see the dow is up about 645. this is after treasury secretary steve mnuchin announced that the white house is considering a plan that would involve sending americans checks to help stem the economic impact they are feeling from the outbreak. >> this followed news this morning from some major corporations on how they can also help. facebook announced today that it's launching a $100 million program to help small businesses in more than 30 countries. amazon announced that it is planning to hire an additional 100,000 warehouse and delivery workers, as the company works to accommodate a surge of online purchases. joining us now is stacey cunningham, the president of the new york stock exchange. stacey, it's good to have you with us.

i wonder if you have heard anything in the last 24 hours from the administration that is heartening. i'm sure the mood on the trading floor right now is tense. watching the markets trade the other day, the s&p 500 was basically 1 percentage point away from circuit breaking again. are you hearing anything that's giving you a little more confidence going forward? >> yeah, absolutely. i am hearing that the administration, our local governments, are all focused on what can we do to address the local communities and keep people safe and to address the economy. so each day, we learn more information about how the virus is progressing and how people can protect themselves. and we also learn about weaknesses in areas that can use some additional tension. and we've seen the administration act pretty quickly over the past few days, addressing each of those issues as they come up. so, yes, the market swings are very dramatic. and we understand that that's really reflecting the anxiety that investors are feeling. but there are a lot of people foe focused on not just addressing the short-term, but also making sure that we have people ready to address the long-term. >> are you hearing the words

that are coming from the president or steve mnuchin, actually showing what the impact is in the markets. for example, i'm thinking today, in specific, they talked about restaurants. they talked about help for the airline industry. are you seeing particular sectors that are reacting to what the president and steve mnuchin said just a few hours ago? >> absolutely, we are. and it's important to recognize that, you know, the small businesses will obviously be impacted and so the fact that they're looking to introduce measures to assist them is very constructive and very helpful. and focusing on different sectors that might be impacted, as we saw with oil and the airlines. i would also say the private sector is also looking to help. i think one of the things that is really tremendous about americans is that we come together during times of stress to figure out how we can help each other. many of the companies that are listed on the new york stock exchange are offering their services for free. some of the technology companies like box, salesforce, cloud flare, they're all offering services so they can help small

to mid-sized businesses during this time of stress. >> i used a bit of jargon earlier when i said circuit breaker. i'm referring to that moment when they paused automatically, when they dropped 7% from the previous day's close. the markets are up right now. you have said over the last few days, particularly on the day of that first circuit breaker, that the new york stock exchange could still do business electronically, if it had to, if you had to evacuate the trading floor, close down the bill. how much have you been contemplating what goes on in the building of the new york stock exchange and what impact would that have if it did have to physically close? >> so a couple of different things in there. one, it's important to recognize that the value that the trading floor community provides to dampening volatility is really important. so the traders on the floor here, no one is coming into this building that's being forced to come into this building. people are coming because they want to provide and give back to the community, the financial community, during this time of

stress. so you're right, the circuit breakers are put in place. there are tools to slow down the market. when there's a 7% decline in the s&p 500 index, that triggers the first level of a circuit breaker. 13% would be the second level. we haven't hit that 13%, although it was unclear whether or not we would, at some point in time. so the traders that are coming into the building are providing value in dampening that volatility, as are the market makers that oversee trading and every company that's listed on the new york stock exchange. we've taken a number of precautions and measures to protect them and protect their communities when they go home. so we're testing and providing temperature checks, as people come into the building. we've implemented drastic measures to increase social distancing on the trading floor. we've sent hundreds of people home that weren't critical to operating the floor each day. so that there's some more space around on the trading floor. we're very focused on protecting their safety and making sure they can still contribute the value they do to the markets. if we had to go fully electronic, we can do that.

we just don't see a need to do that at this point in time. >> stacey, we only have a minute left, but we have a lot of questions from our viewers who are obviously very freaked out about their 401(k)s and what they're seeing. someone asked, why not just shut the market down for a week so we can all take a deep breath. what would you say to folks out there who, frankly, whose futures, whose retirement depends on their 401(k)s? >> so i would tell them to not panic based on the market sell-offs right now. if we were to close the market, we wouldn't change the underlying conditions that are causing some of the market concern. the market is reflecting investor sentiment and investors are appropriately anxious right now. that's why we're seeing market moves both up and down, as they're trying to get a handle on how long this virus might last. what i would tell your viewers is that we will get through this, and so trying to react to these major market moves right now in their 401(k)s is probably not the wisest move. if they can just wait, when we get to a period of time over the next several weeks where we understand what are the longer-lasting impacts, i will

tell you that i have had the opportunity to talk to the treasury secretary, to talk to the head of the s.e.c., to talk to everyone. we're all focused on addressing issues in the economy. i would tell them not to panic. >> stacey cunningham, the president of the new york stock exchange, thank you very much. >> and thank you for making time for us today. we're all back this week, 1:00 tooir eastern time, our whole panel. keep your stories and questions coming. >> tweet us or email us, talk@msnbc.com. please include your name and your city. >> and this thursday, lester holt anchors a live special on the coronavirus, 10:00 p.m. eastern on nbc or nbc news now. >> i am katy tur. it's 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in washington, where america may finally be hearing the wake-up call. there are now 5,100 confirmed cases of coronavirus across 49 states. 94 americans have died and

things are going to get worse before they get better. the white house announced stringent new guidelines to prevent the spread of the virus. they advised americans to avoid gatherings of more than ten people, significantly fewer than the cdc's guidelines of up to 50 people. today, vice president pence said the worst can be avoided if people listen. >> that if every american acts on the coronavirus guidelines, we could see a substantial reduction in the spread of the coronavirus. but as the president said, it will take all of us to do it. >> "the new york times" reports that the white house may have seen frightening new data from imperial college london about the need for drastic action. the study predicts that 2.2 million americans could ultimately die from covid-19, without strict social distancing of the entire population, not just vulnerable communities. experts say the global pandemic could last for months on end, which means all of our lives

could essentially be frozen in time for the foreseeable future. but here is the thing. not everyone is taking the same steps. lockdown and shelter in place orders are being done city by city or state by state. there is no federal policy. but since the virus does not respect borders, how effective can we be in flattening the curve if we're not all on the same page? joining me now from san francisco, nbc news correspondent jake ward. from new york, nbc news correspondent, gabe gutierrez. and with me, the director of columbia university's national center for disaster preparedness, dr. irwin redlener. i was going to start with jake, but i think -- oh, no, he's back. jake, what's happening in san francisco? >> katy, the signal is going to go in and out because i'm in my house. you talked about being frozen in time and a wake-up call. we got the wake-up call about being frozen in time at midnight last night when the barriey are all the counties of the bay area were told to stay in place.

we're supposed to shelter in place for the next three weeks and that shuts everything else down other than essential services. only grocery stores and hospitals and other emergency services are available. we are allowed to go outside in small groups, but otherwise, this is what life likes. and let me tell you right now, i cleaned this up as best i can. my house is not going to look like this for very long. we are home-schooling our children. we are trying to work full-time jobs. my wife and i, all of that is the new reality. and it feels to me as if california really sort of went first and suddenly now the rest of the country could be facing these kinds of conditions going forward. >> so, jake, when you can't go outside, when you're told to shelter in place, what do you do about life's essential needs? how do you go get groceries? are they enforcing what we're seeing in italy, where when you go to a supermarket, you have to keep a distance? what's that like? >> that's right. absolutely. our local grocery store is keeping a staggered flow of people, only a dozen people are allowed in this entire grocery store at a time.

so a line snakes all the way through the parking lot and around. you know, everyone is wearing respiratory, you know, respirators, gloves, all of that seems to be sort of standardized now. and then there's the question of just at home, what do you do? my wife and i had to sit down and say to each other, what are our hopes right now for the next three weeks? my hope is just that we all sort of get along and stay healthy. and her's was much more ambitious than that. it's why i married her. she built a structure for our kids. they're right now doing lessons, moving into a sort of -- we're going to have a recess in a few minutes, then lunch and so forth. we have a meditation session in the afternoon, which i think is what everybody is going to need. but there's this real feeling that we are on our own, sort of in these lifeboats that are that you are houses. that's definitely the feeling of being in the barrier right now. >> gabe gutierrez, mayor de blasio of new york city was on cnn earlier this morning and he was saying that new york city is not afraid or northeast not

afraid to take some pretty drastic steps. let me play that. >> when i hear you say months and use the term april, may, june, is that what you're thinking? >> absolutely. even longer. >> that's how long these will be closed? >> my health commissioner said we could go -- she believes it will go all the way to san francisco september -- september. >> san francisco last night has issued a shelter in place edict for the whole bay area. would new york city consider something like that? >> we're absolutely considering something like that. we'll look at all other options and it could get to that, for sure. >> gabe, that's pretty dire. the idea that what we're seeing here in new york city with restaurants shut down, except for takeout orders or delivery orders and businesses closed, that we could see this until the summertime or until september. how are people coping with the idea of this lasting for that long? >> reporter: yeah, katy, governor andrew cuomo, in addition to bill de blasio, had

actually said that infections in new york city might peak in 45 days. but before i talk a little bit more about what governor cuomo said this morning, i want to tell you, katy, just a short time ago, i interviewed a small business owner just a few blocks from here. it was a west wing diner, i don't know if you've been to it, but it's by the theater district. and they have now gone down from 40 employees to 5 employees. they are giving out takeout orders, they are fulfilling takeout orders, delivery orders, but they do not say -- they say that that is just not sustainable pip asked them what their message was for president trump and they said, help. they are just furious at the uncertainty that they see coming from both federal and state officials. many businesses here in new york, as you know, katy, do not know what the future holds. and governor owe moe this morning, not only did he say that the infections could peak in 45 days, you just heard what bill de blasio had to say, but the governor also said that the

number of covid-19 cases here in new york state has gone up nearly 50% since just yesterday. and perhaps more alarming, that if this pandemic gets worse, at the peak of these infections could require almost 110,000 hospital beds. and right now, the new york area has less than half of that. so we have been speaking to small business owners here, katy. as you mentioned, these new restrictions went into place here at 8:00 p.m. last night. even more stringent measures, as you heard jacob talking about in the san francisco bay area, but that shelter in place order is something local officials may be considering down the line. however, despite rumors to the contrary, governor andrew cuomo did say at this point, he is not considering quarantining any city here in new york. but certainly, a lot of concern here, especially from the small business owners who are watching the president just a short time ago. we also asked this restaurant owner whether these checks that

would be mailed, you know, it's unclear the details, but these checks that would go to americans, would that make any difference, and he said he thinks it's just a drop in the bucket at this point, katy. >> when you talk about the money that's being talked about right now, the price or the checks going up to $1,000, that doesn't even pay for rent for a studio apartment here in new york city, let alone the rent for a space occupied by a restaurant or paying employees or just, you know, just the basics you need here in a big city like this. it goes farther, obviously, in different parts of the country. but a lot of places across this country are much more expensive than that. again, it's just a start, though. dr. redlener, the president keeps saying that nobody could have predicted this, no one saw this coming. in 2015, there was a hypothetical -- there was a study about a hypothetical pandemic that hits new york city, something like the spanish flu, which is, of course, how this is being compared. and in looking at the ventilators, what we have in stock and what we would need, here's what this study said.

because the baseline assumption is that 85% of ventilators in an acute care setting are in use during any given non-pandemic week, during a severe influenza pandemic, there is likely to be a projected shortfall of ventilators, a shortfall of 15,783, during peak week demand. that is remarkable and outstanding. >> in new york city alone. >> because the national lead is probably 100,000 ventilators short. we have about 30,000, 35,000 in the strategic national stockpile, but really, just a drop in the bucket. and they will have to be distributed. the idea of a pandemic means that we're seeing this manifest itself everywhere, at once. so we have some very, very serious supply chain issues. and -- but it's really very basic. literally, this morning, i got a call from the chairman of pediatricses at a major university hospital said they had run out of face masks. she asked me, can i use -- can i do makeshift face masks made out of just cloth, any kind of

cloth. the deluge on our health care system has begun. it's happening. >> i'm going to hold you right there for a second, because governor mike dewine of ohio is talking about canceling the primary today. let's listen. >> a significant period of time and the reason i say this is because we are entering a more difficult time. and we're going to have more and more of our citizens who become ill. and we need to allow those citizens who become ill to be able to have the opportunity at some point to vote. and the longer we can spread that time out, the better that is. we presented a plan. it's a plan that we felt would preserve people's rights, extend those rights, set the election at june 2nd, with ample

opportunity for voting to occur from basically after this election or after this election day itself. my understanding from franklin rose is they have ten days and you know what all votes are in and at that point you know who has not voted and then you can move on at that point or shortly thereafter to an absentee ballot program. absentee ballot programs are something that the state runs, they know how to run them. and our suggestion of june 2nd voting, an ample, long voting in regard to absentee ballots was made in conjunction with working with the secretary of state. again, i want to thank him. i want to thank all of his team. i want to thank all -- everyone across the state of ohio and local boards of elections, as we move on through this.

let me again just reiterate, we are open -- >> so ohio governors -- the ohio governor is postponing the primary there, just saying it's a matter of public health safety. he went back and forth with the courts on this and decided to unilaterally postpone it. dr. redlener, that is an extraordinary step to take to postpone an election. i don't -- i can't -- it doesn't regularly happen, let's put it that way. extreme circumstances are only what causes a postponement of an election. but what about people across the other states in this country that are going to vote right now and using machines and being in spaces with other people. >> sure. well, you know, the same realities that the governor of ohio is facing are going to be exactly the same as the other places where voting is taking place. and there are going to have to be super cautious about making sure that everything that a human being touches in the process of voting is cleaned

between each user. but the second thing is that they'll have to figure out some way of spacing people, so they're not all bunched together, waiting on lines and so forth. and there are ways to do that. and the logistics, you know, people have to figure out. but that has to happen. >> going back to what we were talking about before, this study talking about ventilators here in new york city, you could expand that study to talk about any other city or municipality across the country, state. why are these studies done if they'reheeded? >> this is eerily reminiscent of the terrible delay in getting the testing materials developed and distributed. this is now the second major thing that has not happened and should have been happening like a long time ago. you can't start thinking about resupplying while the thing is -- while it's happening. we have a very serious crisis in our hospitals. this could have been anticipated. it was anticipated, not only by studies, but by public health and hospital experts.

this was going to happen. how we can be running out of face masks to protect our health and hospital workers is an extraordinary understanding of -- >> is it time to make a plea to those people that might have bought up those face masks, the specific ones that hospitals needs, what is it? >> the n95s. >> to maybe go drop them off at a hospital if they have them. >> they could, but it's not going to be the volume that's needed. even if they drop them off, we need to press the manufacturers to get many, many more. but the problem now serve is asking for more. every single hospital in america. >> when you talk about that, president roosevelt, andy salafin was saying, let's go back to what president roosevelt did during world war ii, start activating private industry to start supplying materials and manufacturing materials that hospitals need right now? dr. irwin redlener, you'll be back with us. don't go anywhere. i have to go now to the senate. it is the senate's turn to take

up coronavirus legislation. treasury secretary mnuchin says he will introduce stimulus legislation later today. leaders mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer called on their fellow senators to take action. >> we're heeding the sober warning of dr. fauci. things will get worse before they get better. it is abundantly clear that our nation cannot afford partisan politics as usual. this is a moment for bold and bipartisan action. >> the response to the coronavirus will require a massive mobilization of public resources, federal, state, and loc local, as we have marbled before only in wartime. it's going to require congress to work in a bipartisan way and with uncommon speed. >> joining me now from capitol hill, democratic senator chris coons. >> thank you for being here with us. what's happening right now? >> well, katy, the families

first coronavirus response act has been passed by the house and is waiting for action here in the senate. it's my hope and expectation that we will take it up and pass it later today. the republican caucus has just finished their lunch with secretary mnuchin. the democratic caucus has put forward what i think is a bold plan for the next round of stimulus that we're going to need. this focuses on making sure that families and workers who are most at risk from this infection get the support and assistance that thaw need, while also recognizing that lots of the small businesses where people work are facing significant challenges. we've had a very long conference call of our caucus, we're not meeting in purpose, to talk through a range of ideas, how to deal with voting by mail for the primaries that will happen after today's primary, how to provide support through loans or grants to small businesses. how to make sure that the workers who are most likely to

be laid off get quick access to expanded unemployment insurance and sick pay. and frankly, how to make sure that the medical equipment that you were just talking about gets delivered to our strained public health resources all across the country. >> so i have a lot of questions and i'm going to break them down. first, let's start with what is going to go into americans' pockets quickly. senator -- not senator, treasury secretary mnuchin was saying today that a direct check to americans, the talk is going to be $1,000 for everyone making less than $1 million. that is great to get into americans' pockets right now, but for many people, it is not nearly enough. what do you say to that? >> that's right, kate yit. it's certainly one of the things that will be discussed this week, but i'm supporting a proposal that will freeze peoples requirements to make payments on federally guaranteed loans. whether that is a home mortgage or a business loan or a student loan, that would have an impact

across millions of families and businesses across our country. i think a one-time cash payment of $1,000 is far below what we need to be seriously considering. and we need to make sure that before we sign on to some massive bailout of industries, that we focus on workers and families and on making sure that longer term, sustained support through things like unemployment insurance, retraining and skilling, access to health insurance and health care, those are provided. unemployment insurance for the folks who are facing layoffs right now can put 20 to $25,000 in a family's pocket over the course of the year. that's more important than a one-time $1,000 check. >> bill de blasio, new york city's mayor was saying that the shutdown of businesses across the city could last over the summer. could last into september. that is so much money, i can't even fathom it, not to mention just the individual suffering that that would cause among

those who need to pay rent, need to pay their mortgages, need to pay their utility bills, need to buy groceries, car loans. is there talk, is it even feasible to have a suspension of bills for a month or two and have the federal government, instead of handing over cash to everybody, if no one's paying rent or utilities, instead making that infusion at the top, at the backes anks and city and level, so those at the top get funded, but those below it get relieved from their daily bills. >> that is a proposal i heard earlier today from a number of business groups. let me be clear, those who were here during '08 and '09 are very concerned about not signing on to a one-time massive bailout of banks that doesn't bring with it protections for workers and for families. there is, i think, a sense of those who were here. i wasn't, back in 2008, 2009,

that they did bailouts for wall street that did not trickle down to working families. so we're going to try to find balance in this package. we should take up and pass today the roughly $100 billion families first bill that has come over from the house and what the average american needs to see is not partisan bickering in the senate, but are working together to find a sustainable package that can move us forward. former vice president biden laid out well and thoroughly what a lot of the elements of that package might be and i'm advocating for those idea in the senate this week. >> people are going to default anyway, so it is an interesting question, unfortunately. senator, one last thing for you. a war production board, much like we had in world war ii. is the federal government -- is there talk about that? why is the president not asked american industries to start producing things that hospitals desperately need? where is the army corps of engineers? >> well, that's a two-part

question. first, representatives from the administration have been talking to american manufacturers who produce some of these critical components, but you're asking the right larger question, which is, there's a big difference between world war ii, when we had all of the elements of manufacturing here in the united states, and today, where we've suffered 20 years of offshoring. i can't get a needed prescription filled because the critical components are all made in china. so we need to look hard at how we bring back into the united states some of the critical components of making both pharmaceuticals and critic critically-needed devices for health care. but we also need to deploy our federal resources, veterans administration hospitals, dod resources, the army corps of engineers, to make sure that we quickly stand up the resources we need as emergency rooms around the country are getting strained. >> senator chris coons, senator, thank you very much, and god speed. still ahead, in this age of

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last night on chris hayes, 2020 candidate and current senator elizabeth warren outlined what she thinks needs to be doned to stem coronavirus' growing economic fallout. >> we need to increase social security and disability payments by $200 a month for the next year. make sure that money's coming in. we need to cancel a chunk of student loan debt. that would be on average about 4 $400 a month that would stay in

the pockets of people who owe a lot of student loan debt. and we need to be putting money into housing. those are the kind of things we can do that would help strengthen this economy from the grassroots up, help rebuild this economy, and help stabilize it instead of having it crash further. >> right now president trump is meeting with the tourism industry representatives, one of several industries lobbying for chunks of the coronavirus stimulus package, that's currently making its way through congress. but what will it take to actually make sure that all americans everywhere get the help they need as this economic crisis deepens? joining me now, economist and director of columbia university's earth institute, jeffrey sachs. jeffrey, it is really great to see you. when you look at what's happening and how long it could last, it's hard to fathom on what scale we would need a stimulus package, and how exactly not to just protect american industry, but to protect everyday americans. what are your thoughts on this? >> first, a stimulus is the

wrong word. we need first aid public health strategy to keep people alive and to keep people safe. one thing that is not properly understood, the vast majority of risk of death is for older people. the first thing we should do is help older people to self-isolate, in other words, not to be in harm's way, and to be able to have the social support that they need to get their food and their prescription drugs and so forth, but not circulating in a mass of pathogens. it turns out that among individuals 60 and older, that will account for about 85% of the deaths, according to the pattern of deaths caused by this disease, but that's only about 15% of the population. so if we take precautions that are smart and help our older

people avoid harm's way, we can have a massive, magnificent effect on safety at very, very low cost. what i object to in all of the discussions in washington is, they're treating this as if it's an economic downturn that needs a boost or a stimulus or some weak version of 2008 financial crisis. this is a public health crisis. we need a public health response that is smart, that reduces the transmit -- >> let me just -- >> -- in a smart way. >> let me just clarify here. what you're saying is instead of forcing all of these businesses to shut down, instead of having people stay at home and social distance from everyone else, you're saying, take the people that are most at risk here, the elderly and those with underlying conditions, and essentially, not quarantine

them, but shelter them off from the rest of society? >> well, as a first step, i think that is the sense, that should be done immediately. >> how exactly would you do that? >> those are the people who are -- well, it would not be hard. people want to stay alive. they need help to do so. but older people need to have a way to get their food. anywhere over 60 in new york city should register on an app, saying, i'm going to stay at home, i'm going to need help. if they have children or if they have other access or a neighborhood supermarket that's going to stay open, we can come um very quickly in a way to make sure people are provisioned in a safe manner. this is the kind of thing we should be thinking about now rather than sending a $1,000 check to everyone in the country. that's what you do when you don't understand at all the specific challenge that we're facing right now, which is to

stop the spread of the disease, stop people from dying, stop the surge of very sick people in our hospitals, which will crowd out hospital services for others. we have for example in our city and new york city, a very substantial proportion of the office population that really can work online, maybe not at 100%, but substantially. my university, columbia university within just a few days, went completely online. the financial industry can go essentially completely online. the legal industry can go essentially online. so a large part of our economy can function, perhaps not ideally, but at very high capacity with a little bit of creative thought. so we need public health planning now. >> well, let me just interject

this. there was a poll conducted today about who's taking this seriously and it showed that older americans, the ones that are more at risk and those with underlying conditions are not taking it anymore seriously than anyone else is. so i think it would be hard -- i wonder if it would be harder to force them to self-quarantine or shelter in place for however long this virus would need to pass. and number two, when you look at the numbers that have come out of france, a number of those that are hospitalized are not the elderly, not just those with underlying conditions, a number of those that are hospitalized are in their 30s. so it's not -- even though you might not be at risk of dying for it, if you are in your 30s or 40s and get hospitalized, you can still overwhelm the system. i want to get to a little bit of breaking news real quickly. >> you're absolutely -- >> hold on. mayor de blasio has just announced that he has reach a deal, the city has reached a deal to do 5,000 tests a day. do we want to dip into that news

conference real fast? here we are. we'll come back to you. >> the conversation about the capacity that the armed forces could bring to bear to address a crisis like coronavirus. and we went over details in terms of different options of what the military might be able to provide. i want to thank general millie for his ability to provide assistance. and it is quite clear our military is in a high state of readiness and we agree to communicate and work closely. so very much appreciate the update that i received from general millie, and even though we are waiting for a lot to happen, particularly decision making in washington to happen, it is definitely comforting to hear of the extraordinary capacity of the united states military and that the military is in a high state of readiness to be able to provide support to not only new york, but other parts of the country, as well.

now i want to talk about a question that's on everybody's mind, and that is the issue of shelter in place. this is a reality that is being talked about because this crisis continues to grow. we are all deeply concerned about the direction and the trajectory, even as we get new information daily and hourly and we're trying to better understand the specific trajectory, it's quite clear this is a fast-growing crisis. in my view, i think the right guidance to give all new yorkers is even though a decision has not yet been made, by the city or by the state, i think new yorkers should be prepared right now for the possibility of a shelter in place order. it has not happened yet. but it is definitely a possibility at this point. i believe that decision should be made in the next 48 hours, and it's a very, very difficult

decision. i want to emphasize that. it is difficult anywhere in the united states of america, it is particularly difficult in a city with such a large population, so densely populated together. but i think the point has come where that decision does have to be made. we will be communicating closely with the state. obviously, it is a decision we want to make in common. and i think it's just right to let people know that there is that possibility. to be clear, if that moment came, there are tremendously substantial challenges that would have been to be met. and i don't take this lightly at all. folks have to understand that right now, with so many new yorkers losing employment, losing paychecks, dealing with all sorts of stresses and strains, i'm hearing constantly from people who are tremendously worried about how they're going

to make ends meet. in that scenario, a shelter in place begs a lot of questions. wlas going to happen with folks who have no money? how are they going to get food? how are they going to get medicines? how are we going to ensure in a dynamic like that that supplies are sufficient for our population? what role does the government need to play to ensure that the proper distribution occurs and no one gets left out? there's a lot of unanswered questions. and i would dare say those questions are particularly difficult in a city as large as new york city. but i believe we have to quickly come to grips with those questions and determine different contingency plans, while deciding if this is the right strategy to move forward with. and that statement, obviously, connects with update on the number of confirmed cases.

now, we have information that is updated since the governor's earlier press conference today. and you will see that the numbers continue to grow rapidly. so as of this hour, and this is, again, hour to hour changes now, as of this hour, the number of confirmed cases in new york city is 814. the sad reality, the prediction i made last week that we would hit a thousand cases this week is obviously about to come true and i'm very sorry to say that. now, the borough breakdown i will give you now, i believe, i think we can confirm this, is directly connected to that 814 number. so the borough breakdown as of this point, 248 cases in queens. 277 cases in manhattan, 157 cases in brooklyn, 96 cases in

the bronx, and 36 cases in staten island. again, very sorry to say, we have lost seven of our fellow new yorkers to coronavirus. we will need quickly support from the federal government. everything i've talked about so far keeps coming back to the federal government. there's more the federal government can do to help us expand testing. there is obviously much that the federal government could do to ensure that the military is brought to bear to the fullest extent, to help new york city and other areas that have been hard hit by the coronavirus. there is so much the federal government can do to ensure that people have income. right now, although there are some promising elements of the stimulus bill, it is nowhere near the kind of income replacement that people need in this kind of crisis. i mentioned earlier today the parallel to the new deal. we've got a crisis on the scale,

obviously, on the trajectory of both the epidemic we saw in 1918, not the exact health trajectory, as dr. cohen and i were discussing earlier, there was a lot less health care available to new yorkers and americans in general a century al ago. but in terms of the sheer reach of this disease, the only parallel will be the 1918 influenza epidemic. in terms of the economic dislocation, i think it's fair to say that we are going to quickly surpass anything we saw in the great recession and the only measure, the only comparison will be the great depression. hopefully not as bad in overall impact, but i think in terms of the sheer reach again, that will be the only comparison in the great depression. the federal government focused on creating jobs to put money in people's pockets, we can't do that now, because there won't be scenarios where people can work

in congregant settings. there's so many ways we cannot repeat the model of the great depression and the new deal. it's going to take direct income support on a vast scale. and i have said very clearly, the federal government found a way to come up with vast amounts of money to bail out the banking industry a few years ago, to bail out the auto industry. vast amounts of money for a tax cut for the wealthy and corporations, even vaster amounts of money for endless wars that have yielded little for the people of this country. clearly, the federal government knows how to spend money quickly and on a huge scale. it should be spent on the american people right now, working people who are suffering. they don't have that income replacement. they will not be able to afford food and medicine and the basic. >> so that's new york city mayor de blasio right there. and the news out of that press conference right now is that they have not decided or he has not decided on a shelter-in-place order for new

york city, but he could still do so within the next 48 hours. it could come, if it does come. we are also waiting on senate majority leader mitch mcconnell to come out and address reporters. we're going to go to that, but we'll try to squeeze in another story real fast. ohio called off its primary today over coronavirus concerns. governor mike dewine postponed today's vote late last night after an unprecedented back and forth with the courts. but several others, including florida, arizona, and illinois are forging ahead with their primaries. joining me now from ohio, pulitzer prize-winning columnist connie schultz and from illinois, msnbc correspondent, garrett haake. so connie, i do want to start with you. dewine deciding to postpone this election. what does it mean? >> that's a good question. we don't know exactly yet. apparently, we're going to be able to vote by mail until june 2nd, but that can't happen until it's officially set. the speaker of the house, the legislature must get involved now. so apparently they're going to convene soon to actually set

that date, because no mail-in ballot is valid without the date. it was very confusing. i was tracking and i had discussions right on facebook, let's try to get as many poll workers as i could to weigh in. and part of the problem is we have 88 counties. they tend to have a lot of autonomy with their boards of election. and they were getting very different stories. and many of them didn't know until middle of the night or very early this morning that they were no longer supposed to support to work. >> so in talking about just the voting, can they quickly get alternate measures in place? i mean, is it possible to send out more mail-in ballots? is that a feasible solution? are they sure that they'll be able to vote in june? >> well, yeah, that's a good question. we don't know that we'll be able to vote in person in june. i was listening to somebody a little bit earlier on your show talking about, well, you can download the app, you can get on the -- the problem is, there are a lot of people even here in the city of cleveland where we live,

who don't have wireless, who don't have printers, so they wouldn't be able to print out the form. the libraries are closed right now, so they can't go to the libraries. we have a lot to figure out here. >> all right. and in looking at the response in ohio, dewine has been praised for taking this seriously. how do you compare what's happening in ohio with the federal response? i mean, you're in a unique position. >> well, i am, as you know, and i apologize for this dog on my lap, i'm married to u.s. senator sherrod brown, who is in washington right now, who drove, by the way, who did not fly. we're trying to be as careful as we can. i think what we're learning here is we can rely more on governors and local leaders and public health officials. they are taking -- they are filling the leadership void of president trump. and that's been good news for an awful lot of people, including here in ohio. we are in shutdown mode now. >> i love that your dog has jumped up on your lap. i wish i had a dog to jump up on my lap and give me some comfort

here in the studio. maybe we can institute that. connie, talking about this virus, it doesn't respect borders. so when we have states taking it into your own hands or cities taking it into their own hands, you're going to get procedures that are not uniform across the country. and how do you effectively combat a virus in a public health setting when you're not taking uniform precautions? >> well, that is the number one question, i suppose, facing members of congress right now. what can they do to institute this? there's only so much you can tell a state, a governor that he can do, apparently, and there's a greater concern now about elections, katy. a lot of people have been asking me -- a lot is not an exaggeration -- does this mean that they could interfere with the election in november? and that's a legitimate question that every governor is going to need to answer now, right now. in addition to all the other concerns we have. that you do want a fair election. >> garrett haake, i'm sorry, you don't have a dog in your live

shot, so i delayed going to you. the president is going to talk in a moment, but just tell me what's happening in the illinois area? >> sure, i'm in chicago right now, where turnout was extremely low right now. only about 10,000 people voted in chicago in the first hour, maybe 14,000 in the second happen some of that may be attributable to confusion over what polling places were even open after hundreds of election judges across the city and really across the state called out. so they weren't going to show up. and some polling places, like one we drove by earlier just to check out at a retirement community had to be shut down and moved to other places. because for safety reasons, they didn't want to hold elections in places like retirement homes or some private business says, we don't want people coming in here. it's difficult to find the voters who are not here voting today, who were two concerned to come out and vote, but some of those folks who did come out, including one gentlemen i talked to earlier who was 72 years old said he was very worried about health and safety when he came out to vote. listen what he told me.

>> i think that things are going to get worse, not better. so holding it a month from now, things could be a lot worse. right now, we have no idea how many people are infected. so i, my suspicion is, it's obviously a lot more than we know. and so a month from now, it could be very bad. >> reporter: katy, these polling places, in many cases, were given wipes to clean their machines when they have them and one bottle of hand sanitizer. that's the case here. a lot of these election judges are then on their own to enforce other rules to keep the voters who do come out safe today. >> garrett haake and connie schulte and connie schultz's dog, thank you very much, we appreciate it. stay i havesafe out there. and the president right now is speaking to tourism executives, lobbying for some of that stimulus that's going to come out of congress. let's listen. >> we're working with congress to provide rapid relief for affected workers and industries and this will allow us to emerge from the strongest economy on

earth, because we had literally the strongest economy on earth and now this is in, as of last count, over 124 countries, i understand. 124 countries. unbelievable. but we'll emerge -- i really believe we'll emerge stronger, because we'll be doing things different than this country has done them in the past for many, many decades. and we're deeply committed to ensuring that small businesses have the support they require. the small business administration announced disaster loans, which provide impacted businesses with up to $2 million. and we've asked congress to increase the lending authority. we're going to be going up to $50 billion and actually much more than that for small businesses. so they'll be helped. in your cases, it's very big businesses, but it's a lot of employees. and so we appreciate it very much. we appreciate your being here and maybe in front of the provide, you could say a couple of words about your companies and the number of people you employ. and i pretty much know every one

of you in that respect. it's a lot of people and they're great companies. please. >> hi. i'm chris nasetta, i'm ceo of hi hilton. we have 6,000 hotels around the world, about 4,500 hotels in the great united states of america. we employ globally about 450,000 people, about 260,000 people here in america. mr. president, on behalf of everybody, i'm sure you'll hear this, we appreciate you having us here. we appreciate all that you're doing today to keep all of us safe and secure first and working on trying to secure a good future for the economy, as you point out, that was quite strong. but obviously being impacted by this. vice president pence, to you and all others that are working on this day and night, we appreciate it. as the president pointed out, we're one of the biggest industries in the country. we're one of the biggest employers in the country. and our industry has been

impacted in a devastating way. i've personally lived through many crisis, i've been doing this for 35 years. never seen anything like it. and so, you know, we're hoping to have a constructive dialogue about how we protect the small businesses that make up the bulk of this industry and how we protect the people on the front lines of this industry. that number, 5 million people, that at this point, given what's going on in our industry, are in harm's way. >> and tell me, so you're in many countries. and how are you doing in other countries? some are in very, very bad shape. >> you know, i was looking -- >> the president meeting with tourism executives and states across the country have canceled classes for the foreseeable future and some warn that depending on how things go in the coming weeks, the school year could be over completely. joining me now, former education secretary, arne duncan. it's great to have you here. thank you for being with us. there are parents out there who are facing myriad issues. some of them are working while

they work from home, and now they have to become teachers for their kids. there are other parents who don't have the necessary equipment they need for their kids to participate in online classes. and there are other parents that are just completely overwhelmed by having multiple kids, all at different stages of their education and don't really know how to go about making sure that they're all educated at the same time, in the way that each one of them needs. what is your advice to what parents are going through right now? >> yeah, iffirst of all, i just really, really feel for parents. my wife and i have two kids at home. and many parents are trying to keep a job and have two, three, four, five kids. it's a really, really hard time, an unprecedented time. and it is scary. that's all real. having said that, i'm spending time every single day talking to teachers, talking to principals, talking to school superintendents. there are great resources out there. many teachers are working really

hard to provide homework and to provide feedback. this is basically the first week that we're going into this. so there'll be some glitches, there'll be some problems, but i am actually really, really hopeful and people are working hard together to keep kids learning, to keep feeding them, to keep supporting families. and i think if we can learn together, we have great local principals, superintendents, mayors, public health officials, governors working hard together. we're going to weather this together. and i think we'll learn faster together in education than we ever have before. and i think that's a really good thing. >> arne, you know this better than i do. some parents will do fine, some kids will do fine, but not all. there's already an economic and big gap between some students at schools. there's a lot of inequality among students. how do you -- how do you make sure that the kids who are already at risk of getting left behind don't actually get left behind in this scenario? >> yeah, that's exactly right question.

and schools aren't just schools. they're not just places to get an education anymore. they are truly social safety nets. and in many places, kids are receiving one, two, even three meals a day. we have at least 30 million children around the country who rely on schools as a prime source for their nutrition, for their meals. and again, so those challenges are real. anytime things are hard, the have-nots, those who are struggling, have a much harder time than those that are a little bit more privileged. and so, again, what i'm heartened by is to see how hard people are working together to make sure kids are fed. so school superintendents are on this. we did a conference call this morning with a number of non-profits who are working so hard in this space, choef jose andreas, revolution foods, share our strength, there are people out there committed to making sure kids are fed, are taken care of, and the educational piece of work, both online with high tech stuff as well as low tech solutions as well. >> if you could get on the line with betsy devos right now, what

advice would you be giving her? >> i don't quite know what they're doing there at the federal level. and there's this lack of credibility, a lack of commitment, a lack of seriousness, a lack of honesty. at the federal level, but at the state and local level, i see people with huge heart, huge commitment, working really, really hard. that's what my entire focus. we're startingweekly call in terms of educating older kids as well as our younger babies. people could not be working harder. could not be more committed and more compassionate. this isn't just about an education. this is really about taking kids and families at a time of tremendous crisis, worry, and anxiety and we have fantastic leaders who are all in to do that to the best of their ability. and it's a safety net. arne duncan, thank you very much for joining us. and today "the new york times" podcast, the daily interview, a top doctor in italy's hard-hit lombardi region gives a sobering

warning to try to stop the virus before what happened in italy happens worldwide. he describes an overburdened system that forces doctors and nurses on their own to decide who get treatment and who does not. >> when you have few beds for many people, dh is absolutely the opposite. if you're 85, i give the bed to another one who is 45. >> because a 45-year-old is more likely to benefit from the icu bed than the 80-year-old. so you're saying all the normal rules have to be thrown out the window. >> absolutely. all the country will have to deal with this, but it's difficult to tell people that if you're 80, you will never have an icu bed. >> back with me, the director of columbia university's national center for disaster preparedness, dr. irwin

redlener, and lauren bear who worked on the early stages of the ebola response during the obama administration. okay, so italy is in a dire scenario right now. they are making the decisions, as he just said about who gets treated and who does not. have we done enough, quickly enough to make sure that doesn't happen here? >> i think the clear answer is no, we have not. it's hard to overstate the inadequacy of this administration's response or how ill equipped this president is to deal with a crisis of this nature. it's frankly been very concerning to me over the last two days to start to see praise heaped on the president for showing something resembling a sober attitude in two press conferences, at the same time that he's still lobbing twitter insults at governors. >> so what can we do right now? >> i think right now the first and foremost thing we can do is listen to the experts and put control in their hands. we have experts in the united states, medical professionals

who know how we should be responding. we should be empowering them and be bringing the full wait of the federal government to bear here. this administration has pumped billions of dollars into our armed forces. we need to be seeing us deploy the military for use in this domestic crisis. and we need to be using the federal government's resources to be doing things like ramping up production of the equipment our medical professionals so desperately need. ventilators, face masks, personal protective gear. >> dr. redlener? >> yeah, well, this should have started a long time ago. it's hard to fathom this, and i'm trying not to overstate it. it's hard to overstate it. but the fact of the matter is, this is the greatest failure of the american government in my lifetime. there's nothing even close to this, because this is a failure that involves directly our lives, not to mention all the disruptions. we're talking about a most serious health crisis probably since 1918, that the world has experienced. there's so much we could have

done earlier. yes, we need to ramp up, and can i completely agree, that we need to kind of get our act together in getting face masks and personal protective equipment and everything else that our health system needs. it should have started six weeks ago. we're playing constant catch-up, from when we messed up the availability of the testing kits until right now has been disaster. >> dr. irwin redlener and lauren bear, thank you very much. remember out there, wash your hands, 20 seconds at least. stay away from other people. six feet between you and another person. and just, please, please, please, take this seriously. lives are on the line. that is it for me today. yasmin vassoughian is here right after a quick break. smin vassoht after a quick break. another company. i was just frustrated i almost gave up. with miracle-ear, it's all about service. they're personable, they're friendly. i'm very happy with them. (vo) we provide you with a free lifetime of aftercare, meaning free check-ups, cleanings and adjustments. (wiley) i see someone new. someone happy. it's really made a difference.

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was some discussion about whether to amend that with a bigger proposal, because we all know a bigger proposal is necessary. but i've decided we're going to go on and vote as soon as the senate can get permission to vote on the bill that came over from the house, send it down to the president for a signature, and thus reassure the people around the country that we can operate on a bicameral, bipartisan basis quickly. second, we will not leave, the senate will not leave until we have passed yet another bill and clearly that will have to go in two steps. as i indicated earlier, first, senate republicans and the administration are going to try to reach an agreement on what we think is best for what could best be described as phase iii. then the senate, being the

senate, we will sit down with our democratic counterparts and see what we can agree to. the senate will not leave town until we have processed yet another bill to address this emergenc emergency. with that, i'll be happy to take a few questions. >> yesterday, president trump suggested that the social distancing may continue through the summer. would that mean that this $1,000 that's being talked about as far as this third tranche of a bill could go on until that. how long are you planning on giving -- >> all of that is things we're going to address in the next bill that we're beginning to write already. the details of that i can't tell you yet, but we know an additional bill of much larger proportions is necessary to meet the crisis. if we bend the health care curve, that will determine

really how long this emergency lasts. and that has required extraordinary measures that basically have us in the unusual position of the american government, in effect, shutting down the american economy in order to meet these health concerns. if we can get on top of the health care concerns and bend the curve, we hope that this will be of limited duration. >> are you saying in creating these three task forces, you're not yet willing [ inaudible ] every single element of the administration's proposal so r far? >> what i'm telling you is we'll take up and pass the house bill as soon as the senate gives us permission to do it. and then senate republicans, in conjunction with the administration, are going to write a next bill. the senate being the senate, we will then discuss with the democrats what we can agree to pass, which will of course take 60 votes. the details of that, obviously,

have not been determined yet. >> the administration is talking as much as $1 trillion. in terms of the overall scope, does that sound like a level to you? >> the dimts will be worked out in the way that i just outlined. so i can't give you an answer, particularly on a large question like that, about what the overall costs could be. we haven't determined that yet. and obviously, that final determination will be made in consultation with our democratic colleagues here in the senate. what i can tell you is, we're not leaving town until we have constructed and passed another bill, basically phase 3 would be the best way to look at it. [ inaudible question ]

>> i just said, the first step is for republicans to largely agree on what we think is the best way to address this emergency. and second, we will consult with our democratic colleagues and see what we can agree to. that's the way we'll go forward here in the senate. and we'll stay here until we do reach a bipartisan agreement and achieve at least 60 votes to pass it. >> back in the back. >> what's your approximation for when these checks will be in people's mailboxes? have you given any indication on what the white house is expecting -- >> the timing? >> cash payments to americans? do you ha do you have any idea when that will actually be? >> anything that requires legislation will not be able to move until we pass legislation. there are things they can do on their own. is that what you're talking about? >> there's policy proposals for tax rebates. and i'm just questioning if you have any idea -- >> they'll do whatever they're allowed to do administratively,

as quickly as they can. the rest of it will require our permission legislatively. the first thing we're going to do is take up and pass the bill that came over from the house and the second phase outlined a couple of times already. and that's the way we're going to go forward. >> can you address, the house bill when it passes, there still is a lag time in repaying small businesses for the sick time for their employees. can you address the concern about that lag time for small businesses? i know republicans have [ inaudible ]. and once bill number three stimulus gets through the congress as you expect or are working on, are you considering then reassessing the senate for a significant period of time? >> a number of my members think there are considerable shortcomings in the house bill. my counsel to them is to gag and vote for it anyway, even if they think it has some shortcomings

and to address those shortcomings in the bill we are in the process of crafting. i can't predict how long we'll be here. but we'll be here as long as it takes to pass yet another measure beyond the one that came over from the house. >> and after that, do you think the senate will return? >> i can't answer that. >> we've been told that a number of republicans and i guess on the rules committee are working on potentially voting from home. >> no, we'll no -- yeah, we'll not be doing that. look, there are a number of different ways to avoid getting too many people together. just to give you a hypothetical, this is not set in stone that a roll call vote goes on only for 15 minutes. we could lengthen the amount of the roll call vote, people could come over one at a time, come over in small groups. we will deal with the social distancing issue without fundamentally changing the senate rules. >> people are still going to the

supermarkets and seeing all this, so much uncertainty. what do you want to tell the american public? >> well, the way to indicate certainty is to get about doing what we're talking about. to see bipartisan, bicameral action. and that will happen on the house passed bill as soon as we can clear whatever procedural issues we have to clear to get it across the senate floor and get it down to the ft. for a signature. and we're going to move here at warp speed for the senate, which almost never does anything quickly. i think everyone on both sides of the aisle is seized with the urgency of moving on yet another bill. and we intend to do that. >> senator mcconnell as part of the second house bill, will you give him amendment control? >> he generally -- well, you'll have to ask him. but usually, he wants to offer

an amendment to pay for these kind of bills. he's usually willing to let us have that vote and move on. i hope that will be the case this time. >> senator mcconnell -- have to make a deal with senator schumer and the speaker. i wonder why not do that first? >> i think the best way to proceed is the way i outlined. and then we'll have a clear indication of where most of the republicans are, and we'll sit down and talk to our colleagues on the other side of the aisle. >> is there an importance to sent a message about national unity? >> sure. and that will be underscored by the overwhelming bipartisan vote of the house-passed bill, and by ultimately an overwhelming bipartisan support for yet another bill, which will originate in the senate. yeah? >> mr. mcconnell, there have been discussions over the last year about the tax cut and jobs act. there needs to be corrections made to it, to help retailers

and small businesses change the operating loss tools. will those things come up during the course of this discussion, and might that make the same arguments come up over again about how bad the tax cuts work? >> the goal here is to deal with this emergency created by this pandemic. and anything that doesn't address that pandemic, it seems to me, should not be considered. we're working on trying to deal with this public health crisis, which we are trying to bend the curve on quickly. and anything that addresses plugging that gap for small businesses and for individuals, hopefully on a short-term basis, because if the advice dr. fauci and others are giving us is followed, we hope we're going to begin to bend the curve and get back to normal. because the underlying economy

before all of this came along was in very good question. >> can you talk about the moment that republicans became okay with spending trillions of dollars. is it the stock market or a health risk. what shifted in the past few weeks? >> well, i've been through a few of these. i was here at 9/11. i was here during the financial crisis in '08. i was here during the fiscal cliff. we occasional have these great crisis and when they occur, we're able to rise above our normal bipartisanship and normal positions, because these are not ordinary times. this is not an ordinary situation. so it requires extraordinary measure measures. >> is there a role for congress to play in helping the states that worry they don't have

enough icu beds, enough ventilators? >> all of that deals with the substance of measures we are about to pass or will pass soon. the contents of which, you know, are being negotiated. >> and have you been satisfied with what states are getting from the federal government? >> we're not satisfied with where we are or we would not be turning to yet another bill. i'll take one more, because i think we're getting a little repetitive here. >> can you say what senators you put on these task forces? >> that's a good question. what i've said, you can't have 53 people write the bill, right? so what i've done is pick out groups of people to deal with three separate categories. and i've told everyone else that if they have a really good idea, i've told them how to funnel that idea into that particular

task force. because this is a herculean task from a legislative point of view, to try to craft something this significant with 53 people. it just can't be done. so everyone has a way to funnel in their particular suggestions to one of these three task forces. these task forces will be working with the treasury department and secretary mnuchin and his team to see if we can reach a republican consensus, so we know where we are. my understanding is senator schumer has laid out to get back to your question, where they are. i'm in the process of crafting where we are, and that's the logical time to sit down and make a deal. and that's what we intend to do. and we're going to do it before we leave here. >> what are the three task forces? >> it doesn't make any -- it's

not particularly newsworthy. >> is there a point person for these [ inaudible ] can you clarify for us. >> i think you're getting too far into the weeds. we're -- our goal today will be to try to move forward and take up and pass, as soon as we can, the bill that's come over from the house and you'll be hearing from us, as we move along, crafting the measure that republicans will largely be behind. and we'll sit down with senator schumer. thanks. thanks a lot. >> leader mcconnell there, basically walking us through some of his thinking with regards to the stimulus package and the potential passage of it. basically his thoughts were, do i amend this phase ii of the stimulus package to make it even bigger, more robust. leader mcconnell basically saying, no, no, no, we'll vote on this, get it on the president's desk asap, then we're basically not going to leave washington until we come to a consensus with regards to

phase iii and move that ahead, as well. so really the big question is, what does this whole thing contain and when are americans going to see the fruits of some of this stimulus package? joining me now, chris van hollen, who has been standing by patiently. senator, thank you so much. i guess some good news there considering the fact that leader mcconnell has basically said, we are going to vote on this and put it on the president's desk asap, moving on to phase iii. but walk us through that very important question, which is many americans sitting at home thinking, when am i going to see some of the money that could feasibly come to my home because of the package of thssage of th? >> yes, yasmin. good to be with croyou. that was good news from senator mcconnell. we have been pushing him to hold a vote immediately on the house passed bill, so we could begin to see some of that relief flow. so i hope in the coming minutes, he calls for that vote, because the house-passed bill does have some very important provisions

that shouldn't wait. it calls for free testing. it calls for additional food assistance. very importantly, it has important paid sick leave provisions. not perfect, and we need to fix some of them in the next bill, but we don't want people going to work sick because they are afraid of losing that paycheck. it also has some very important provisions to expand unemployment insurance, because we're already hearing about workers, especially in the hospitality industries, bars and restaurants, being laid off. so it's urgent that we get that signed by the president today. and it's also urgent that we get to work on the next package, as senator mcconnell said, senate democrats have put forward a lot of ideas. we hope to move on them quickly and we hope that they will be bipartisan. >> senator, let's talk about that paid sick leave, first. i think that's incredibly important. it seems as if in this bill, there's only two weeks of paid sick leave. why is it that such a short

period of time was chosen? and how long is it going to take for americans to see some of that money, if, in fact, they file for that paid sick leave? >> so, with the sick leave, it's the employer under the bill is supposed to cover the cost of that paid sick leave. and then the employer will recoup that money through a refundable tax credit. so they'll either get a deduction on their taxes or a refundable tax credit so the employer will be made whole for this emergency sick leave. now, there's another provision that will extend beyond two weeks for family and medical leave, if you're either home sick or caring for a child. now, the republicans, the white house narrowed that provision from the original proposal in the house. we think it's important if you're at home taking care of another loved one, like a parent, that you should also qualify for the family and medical leave.

they took that out. so on the next round, we need to reinstate that. and another very, very bad loophole was the trump administration did not want to require large employers, employers with 500 and up employees, to shoulder the costs of paying sick leave for their employees. so we've got to urgently address that issue, as well. but, again, the house bill, much better than the status quo, but a lot more work to be done and done quickly. >> how long could some of these benefits extend? because if you're listening to the president, who said this thing could go all the way into july, august, other estimations are saying this could go into the fall, into november. people are going to need a lot of financial help until then. so what is the plan there to help folks out for that extended period of time, if they're out of work? >> so really good point.

unemployment insurance needs to be adapted to fit the emergency situation. so people who are losing their jobs and therefore their wages as a result of this need to be able to get that wage replacement, unemployment compensation for as long as necessary, throughout the time that this virus is with us. and they're out of work. we need to eliminate some of the barriers that people have to jump over in order to qualify for that unemployment insurance. my guess is states are going to see a big surge of people applying. we need to make sure they process this very, very quickly. we also need to make sure we get more assistance to small businesses, so that for as long as possible, they can avoid laying off people in the first place. but this is exactly why that second bill, the third round, as we say, needs to come very, very quickly. >> and then wint you to just

weigh in on what secretary mnuchin said earlier today, basically saying that he wants to commit to getting 1,000 to each and every single american making less than $1 million at this very moment. do you think that is enough at this time? and that is separate from what is actually happening on the hil hill. >> yeah, so i think that we need to make sure that we get as much money into the pockets of the people who need it most as quickly as possible. i don't think united states senators need to get $1,000 check. i think there may be cases where when someone is laid off from their job because of the coronavirus that they're going to need more than that. so we need to make sure we target it. i hear the administration talking about bailouts of industries. we need to make sure we're helping the workers. we don't want money that goes to an industry to be used for stock buybacks, where it's just helping the ceos and executives. we've seen that before.

so we're very focused on making sure as much resources as necessary goes to the people who need it and when they need it. and that's starting right now. >> all right. senator chris van hollen, thank you very much. i'm sure you well know that americans are very much depending on you and the rest of the legislative body to tet get them through this. thank you. i want to bring in russel honore, he led relief efforts after hurricane katrina back in 2005 as a joint task force commander. general, thank you very much for joining us. very much appreciate it. you dealt with the aftermath of a tragedy, and also a tragedy that the federal government initially did not adequately address, as we well now know when we look back. how do you rate the response of this administration so far with regards to what is happening with the spread of the coronavirus? >> well, i don't know if it's a rating, but it's a description. slow and not decisive. and it's hard to get the speed

you need to save lives if you're slow at making decisions and you're not decisive. that being said, we are facing an invisible enemy. that we're not quite sure how bad it is. so in that regards, the things they have to do is going to be a little bit harder. but we've got models that we've been having for years that would show from day one, patient number one out in washington, in 30 days, projected number of people that might be infected. i don't know why they're not using that information. but they also could have done better and can do better. my idea here is to give observations, not criticism. it's to establish a priority of work. they came close to establishing one today. it said testing, prevention, and supply chain. i think on the top of that, you have to have caring for the

people who are already sick. we have to take care of those who are sick. we have to test, test, test. we have to do more prevention, as we're doing with telling people to stay home. and we need to fix the supply chain. and the way we're going about doing it through government request for proposal is totally stupid. that will not work. if we've got companies in america that can make ventilators, why in the hell haven't they been making them since last friday? >> so who needs to be leading that charge -- who needs to be leading that charge in your estimation at this point that isn't doing their job? mobilizing the private sector? >> we need somebody to lean over the microphone -- somebody need to lean over the microphone and say, if you make ventilators and if you make respirators, start making them. i need a thousand every two days. >> and you're not hearing that? >> but i don't hear that coming out of washington. i'm not hearing that. i hear the governor, who's doing a great job up in new york talk about the corps of engineers. the corps of engineers is right

around the corner from -- in new york city, in federal plaza. if you need the corps of engineers, see them or request to the federal government that the core of engineers support you in what you want to get done. i don't hear people asking for decisive things that could solve the problem. it's like decisions by committee. we don't have someone up there really telling people what to do. it's like every answer requires five people to answer it. we need somebody to take decisive action and start making decisions or we will not get this supply chain fixed. if you don't fix the supply chain, you will not take care of the patients and more people will die. >> general, you're speaking for a lot of americans right now that are feeling incredibly emotional and quite confused, honestly, and hopeful that something will change and people will start speaking up.

we appreciate your voice during this time. lieutenant general russel honore, thank you so much. >> test, test, test. >> yes, absolutely right. test, test, test. thank you, general. up next, the devastating impact this pandemic is having on restaurants and other small businesses across the country. but first, human testing of an experimental coronavirus vaccine began yesterday. seattle was chosen as the test location. the goal was to determine if the vaccine is actually safe. if it is, the next phase will test whether it is effective against the virus. you're watching msnbc. against the virus. you're watching msnbc. there has never been a better time

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welcome back. the coronavirus pandemic is already having a huge impact on the economy, particularly bars and restaurants, state and local leaders in many places, they've ordered bars and restaurants to close their doors to in-person dining to prevent people from congregating and spreading this virus. but they can still do takeout and delivery.

however, that's probably not going to be enough for the tens of thousands of restaurant workers who could feasibly or have already lost their jobs. joining me now from minneapolis to talk about this is andrew zimmer, the host of "bizarre foods" on the travel channel. he also hosts the special series "what is eating america?" which airs sunday at 9:00 right here on msnbc, so you don't want to miss that. thank you so much for joining us, andrew. minnesota, quite the bustling restaurant scene, right? so many up and coming restaurants and chefs and that sort of thing. now feasibly told restaurants and bars shutting down, stopping in-person dining. what does this mean for the industry that you are seeing on the ground there? >> reporter: well, the first thing is that it's heartbreaking. the second thing that i think people need to realize is that we have 15 million employees in the restaurant community nationwide. and state after state after state is taking the same decisive action that governor

tim walls did here in minnesota, like many other governors before him. i think 22 states, 23 states at this point. we've heard from the white house that they would like all restaurants shut down. so we're going into a nationwide shutdown of an industry that employees 15 million people. when you expand that to include ag and food sector workers, hotel and hospitality workers, it's about 50 million people, because you know we're going to start winding down on hotels and other places people are going to congregate very, very soon. i would also point out, restaurants alone are nearly $1 trillion industry. so when people keep hearing about the bailouts that are needed for banks and auto companies and airlines, we really need to start thinking about all of these people who are employed in our food system. immigrants, most notably, make up 70% of our food creation system. the people who are putting food

on the plates of americans. you also have to realize that the restaurant industry alone is still the number one employer of single mothers, of first-time job seekers, of returning citizens. these are very vulnerable populations and we have to go and take every precaution that's necessary to make sure that we are putting money in their pockets, to make sure they are taken care of, and that our restaurants when they do reopen are able to have and retrain staff. simple things like rent alleviation, like payroll tax abatements. things like that need to be part of government rescue packages at the city, state, and federal level. >> these are the folks we've been talking about for the last week or so. these are the wage workers that are not salaried employees, unless they're working for a big restaurant conglomerate. these are the folks living paycheck to paycheck, basically working off of tips. and if you're shutting down their place of employment, they're essentially not going to get paid. talk us through, andrew, i know

you talked about what it is they need and the things that need to be forgiven, as you talk about rent, has anything been done so far, because we did hear from the treasury secretary steve mnuchin saying basically plans are in the process of helping out small businesses, bars, and restaurants, et cetera. but anything done so far to help these folks out, as they're going through this? >> yes, the food industry, for as long as it's been around, have been among the first responders at every natural and man-made disaster that we've endured certainly during my lifetime. food people showed up and fed the first responders on the ground down at the world trade center during 9/11. kore katrina, on and on and on. we are responding to help our own people. it's heartbreaking. just turn on any social media app that you have. restauranteur after

restauranteur is taking all of their cash reserves, if they have any. people, salary workers, are foregoing their salaries to give some kind of an economic relief to workers, to try to provide temporary health insurance and the like. i think we need a health insurance initiative to add to some of those bigger issues that the government is talking about. and the restaurant industry itself is stepping up, into the void, to help organize around it. here in minnesota, i just tweeted out @andrew zimmerin, people can see what minnesota is doing with what i'm calling a virtual tip cedajar, where peop can venmo money to employees who register on the google doc and people are able to tip employees at their favorite restaurants and i'm encouraging states, cities, communities all around the country to do the same. >> i'm going to -- >> i have a very quick list here of a great set of resources for

people. they should go to fo foodandwine.com, civileats.com, cherrybombe.com, mofad.org, all of these places, i was jus looking online, have current listings on ways, on organizations around the country where citizens can donate to help restaurant workers themselves. >> you make such a good point, though, because i don't think people really understoand the breadth of what bars and restaurants contribute to this economy and the people that work there every single day. we've never seen a shutdown of this magnitude with bars and restaurants. andrew zimmern, thank you so much for joining me. i'm sorry, we do have to go. i'm sure we'll be hearing a lot more from you in the days and weeks to come. sunday, watch the fifth and final episode of msnbc's original series, "what is eating america with andrew zimmern." he travels to the heartland to explore the state of our health care as americans eat more processed food than ever before, that is sunday, 9:00 p.m.

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arizona, for us with the latest. garrett, i'm going to start with you. walk us through basically what you're seeing out there. >> well, the long and short of it is, the turnout was very low this morning, but it seems to be bouncing back now. a lot of that is based on concern and confusion overnight about whether or not this election would happen and where it would happen. there were dozens, if not hundreds of election judges all around the state, but especially here in chicago, who essentially called out, said they wouldn't show up or simply didn't show up at all. there were also polling places that were closed because the judges didn't show up or because they were in private businesses that no longer wanted the foot traffic in their buildings that having an election would require. so as things have gone on throughout the course of the day, it's gotten a lot of smoothner most polling places like the one i'm at here. they've got some hand sanitizer, trying to wipe down the equipment, trying to keep distance between people as they go in. in some of those close polli ii places, some people have had to

move to other places and some of those catchall places have developed longer lines throughout the course of the day. and we'll never know how many people did not come out to vote today because they were concerned about their health and safety, but just about every voter i've talked to today have sad homolev had some level of concern, including people who brought their own gloves to vote here. >> you can only think and question with some of the concerns you're raising there what's going to happen in the next week or two as we go to yet another primary. so with that, want to go over to vaughn hillyard standing by in arizona. walk us through what you're hearing. >> yeah, yasmin. i actually just ran into congressman ruben gallegos, the local county supervisor here, and they were eager to talk, because unlike other places around the country, things are going quite well considering here in arizona. besides our petitioning friends here behind us, there has been good social distancing. and a large part of that is because of the robust early mail-in ballot system that the state here has. in past elections, about 80% of

arizona voters have voted by mail. this is one of the busier polling locations around the state here in downtown phoenix. there has not been a crowd or long lines. we stopped at four other polling locusts today and it was the exact same. and because of the early mail-in ballots, turnout has already surpassed that of the 2016 democratic presidential preference primary here in arizona. sore considering, you know, in maricopa county, i want to point out that about one third of the polling locations were closed by the county last friday. most folks got word via text messaging or postcards, but i want to introduce you to one of our heros of the day, sharon maxwell. she showed up at her polling location today where she's gone for decades and it wasn't open. but after 80 minutes, she made her way. take a listen to sharon maxwell's story. you were not going to miss today's vote? >> no. i went to valley view, another school down that way where they used to vote, and the police brought me here. >> reporter: the police led you this way? >> yes, he did.

>> reporter: was that polling location closed? >> they didn't have anyone there. but they had said they changed them. >> was the police officer there at the location? >> no, i went in the circle "k" to find out, who knows where we vote at. and he was there, and he said, i'll help you. >> reporter: yasmin, god bless that phoenix police officer who led sharon to vote. she says she hasn't missed an election since she was 18 years old. considering how the rest of the country is going through this process, things have gone quite well. >> go sharon, and go, vaughn, for your social distancing there. garrett haake, vaughn hillyard, thank you both. coming up, we're live on capitol hill with more on congressional efforts to ease the burden the coronavirus is putting on our economy. you're watching msnbc. watching. the all-new silverado hd

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passes legislation to ease the financial suffering american people and businesses are feeling as a result of this coronavirus pandemic and will continue to feel. joining me now, nbc news congressional correspondent, leigh ann caldwell. thanks for standing by for us. very much appreciate it. the big question here is, and we spoke a little bit with senator chris van hollen for us, lay out what this means, the possible passage of this through the senate. what it means for americans. >> yeah, yasmin, it's been a lot of news that's happened in the last couple of hours up here on capitol hill. there are two different things we're talking about. the first is the senate has to pass the house bill, the one that the house passed over the weekend. they still have to do that. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell made the decision today that he's going to move forward on that bill, as early as today, as long as he has consent from his colleagues, of course, everything around here needs the support of at least 60 senators. and then the second part of what

they're talking about is this phase iii of legislation. starting to put together a much bigger package. we're hearing numbers now worth $1 trillion. treasury secretary steve mnuchin and other administration officials were up here on capitol hill, talking to senate republicans during a closed door lunch. what they're really pushing, among other things, is getting money to people in their pockets immediately. the white house message to senate republicans was, if you guys act quickly, checks can start going out, up to $1,000 by the end of april. so that's the proposal that the white house and some republicans on capitol hill are really wanting. there's been a huge shift in tone, yasmin, i must say, among republicans who didn't want any sort of stimulus just a couple weeks ago, but now they're all in. mcconnell says it takes es trord nair measures during extraordinary times. >> let's hope the checks go out a heck of a lot sooner than the end of april because that means folks will be out of work for

almost a month or so at this point. leigh ann caldwell, great talking to you. up next, you're live at the new york stock exchange with a check of the markets as stocks rally after another volatile day of trading. you're watching msnbc. as a caricature artist,

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hear from the president of the united states when he came out and spoke for more than an hour about where things stand with the public emergency and this stimulus package. steve mnuchin, the treasury secretary started speaking and we saw the market move as he talked about what the contours of the package might be and talked about the conversation he's having with leaders on capitol hill. as you were discussing with leigh ann caldwell, the size is still up in the air. there was a sense of urgency that investors took to heart. emphasizing he wants to move as quickly as possible to get cash in americans' pockets. he is siding toward that, one-time cash infusion in the american pocket versus a change to the payroll tax. we'll see what happens in the next few hours, next few days. again, more clarity in terms of what the administration wants to do when it comes to the stimulus package. >> david gura, my friend, thank you as always. just a couple minutes away from

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