as always, thank you for watching "the beat with ari melber." one programming note, tomorrow lester holt will be anchoring a live special on the outbreak of the coronavirus across all nbc networks. that's tomorrow night right here on msnbc. thank you, as always. and keep it right here on msnbc. and good evening, i'm steve kornacki in new york. the federal government continues right now to mobilize against the rapidly spreading pandemic as the coronavirus grinds this country to a virtual standstill. the first confirmed case now in west virginia. it means the virus has reached every state in the country, totaling almost 8,000 confirmed cases nationwide as of tonight, and that number is climbing. that is the most concerning part of this. the rate at which the virus

seems to be spreading, according to data from msnbc, the number of cases is currently increasing about an average of 30% a day. that number can accelerate as testing becomes more widely available. stepping up his response today, president trump invoked the defense production act. it's a wartime authority that, quote, allows him to force american businesses to produce materials in the national defense, such as ventilators and medical supplies for health care workers. in so doing, trump said the country is now on a wartime footing. >> do you consider america to be on a wartime footing in terms of fighting this virus? >> i do, i actually do. i look at it that way. it's in a sense a wartime president. that's what we're fighting. it's a very tough situation here. you have to do things, you have to close parts of an economy that six weeks ago were the best they've ever been. we had the best economy we've ever had and one day you have to

close it down in order to defeat this enemy. >> trump also announced that he's dispatching two navy vessels in the next week to serve as hospitals on east and west coasts. while that move is intended to ease the burden on medical facilities by treating non-coronavirus patients, the ships lack medical crews and will take some time to staff up. meanwhile, financial market took another beating, a decline by over 6%. the dow dropping under 20,000 points for the first time since february 2017. that means nearly all of the gains made so far during the trump presidency have effectively been wiped out in just the last few weeks. when it comes to confronting the health crisis, the administration has been spurred to action in part because of a dire scientific report by professor niall ferguson, one of the world's leading epidemiologists from imperial college in london. among other things, ferguson projected in his report that, quote, 2.2 million people in the

united states could die if more wasn't done. here's what he told nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel in an exclusive interview today. >> how far behind is the united states compared to italy or other european countries that have seen pretty big outbreaks? are we talking days, weeks? >> i think some areas of the united states are probably a week or two behind italy. italy is the first affected european country. we think it started mid-january. compared to the united states with like germany and france, i think, again, the united states is bigger but the worst affected area of the united states will be very comparable to what's happening in france, the uk and elsewhere. >> i'm joined now by congressman adriana, democrat from new york, a health care reporter from "the washington post" and miker oester home, director for the

infection and policy. thank you so much for being here. michael, let me start with you. so much here flattening the curve, the expression we keep hearing. the curve is going up and going up dramatically here in this country. we have the number of new cases there. excel race 30% a day right now. i am told this is not all bad news. this partly reflects just the more widespread availability of testing. as you have that, you're going to get more positive tests. but how high, that line on the screen there, how high do you think that's going to get, number of new cases? how high do you think that will get before it can be flattened? >> well, first of all, let me just say what we're doing right now is just taking a grab sample of people signed the community to find out how many are infected. right here in our own state of minnesota, we're very limited in testing and many people who should be tested with compatible illness are not getting tested.

again, of these numbers, why they surely do show that there's a lot of transmission going on in our communities, they don't really give us an idea what's going up or down. in terms of where this will end up, first of all, you have to understand this is going to be a series of rolling outbreaks. this is not just not going to be a one big peak and done. we expect to see new york and places like seattle where the virus obviously has been circulated longer than it has other areas may peak first. but eventually all 50 states will contribute to that peak and i don't think we can say when that will happen. clearly it could be months away and it could be literally many hundreds of thousands of cases. . >> what do you think in terms of that, that assessment there, that report from imperial college, neil ferguson. we were playing his projection, if not enough is done, the fatalities in this country could be 2 million. i have seen some people saying you're looking at an assessment

there that might be too alarmist, might be too dire. others disagreeing. what do you think of the projections he's putting forward? >> actually, neil and his group at imperial college are one of the best in the world. i think it is very, very much a legitimate estimate that we have to deal with. if i could just comment very briefly on this issue of too scary or the fact that we will panic people, you know what people want right now is just straight talk. we want to know what we know, what we don't know and how we know it. i'm not seeing anybody on the streets rioting or cars turned over and burned or people accosted in grocery stores when someone got the last roll of toilet paper and i didn't. they're scared and fearful and not going to panic, but they just want the right information. this report has that. >> if more testing is resulting in this increase we're seeing here in cases, we've been talking so much about not enough tests being available, the volume of testing being low. what is the status of

availability of testing right now versus where it was say a week ago? >> so the number of tests have definitely ramped up. and you've seen that the administration is now trying to engage other parts of the private sector to set up these drive-thru testing sites. the announcement was a bit premature. the site was not ready to go. but i think the goal is to have that set up by the end of the week and to have some more sites roll out over the next couple of weeks. we will see if they're able to get that off the ground and sort of mobilize that quickly. i think as you said, as the number of tests continue to expand, not just with the drive-thru testing initiative but with the engagement of the hospital and academic labs and private industry, you know, you've seen the fda approve more tests from outside companies that will continue to see a sort of increase in cases, as more people are able to get more readily tested. >> meanwhile communities across the country are hunkering down

to limit their potential exposure to the virus, while the administration has recommended americans practice social distancing for 15 days. the surgern general today warned it could take longer. >> give it to us straight, isn't this going to be longer than 15 days? how long do you think people should expect to be at home essentially? >> we feel like if we can get america to all pitch in for the next 15 days, we can flattern the curve, a term you've been hearing a lot. not overwhelm our health care systems. >> so 15 days is enough? >> 15 days is likely not going to be enough to get us all the way through but we really need to lean into it now so we can bend the curve in the next 15 days. and at that point we will reassess. >> and in "the new york times," doctors ezekiel emanuel writes, americans should claim for social distancing at least for mid-to-late may and be thankful if it eases off earlier. congressman, you represent

districts that are challenging when it comes to social distancing, urban district, dense population. a lot of folks living in small apartments there where the challenge of just staying put and not moving and not going out can be particularly difficult realistically speaking. how long can this type of social distancing endure, especially in an area like yours? >> i think people are doing their very best to keep their distance. today i was out in the community. we were trying to get some drive-thru testing sites open. hopefully we will get one open tomorrow or the day after. i just had a conference call with the head of the presidents of the major hospitals in the 13th congressional district. business leaders and community-based physicians. i think they're all ushpushing d to make sure every feeling understands this has to be for people, the people wash their hands with soap and water. best practices that are out

there already should be acute. i think people are looking at that, the family are getting a grip of that and adhering to those practices. testing is a big thing, of course. your hygiene is very important, wash your hands, keep your distance, and the next thing that i found out just now in this call that we had with the hospitals is that the protective gear that emergency and medical services people wear, masks and gloves and these types of equipment are not available the way they should be. they're running really low. and it's really putting health care workers in peril, in danger. we must invest more in this type of emergency gear, equipment for health care workers and the ventilators. we must have capacity when the epidemic -- when the pandemic surges, we must have the capacity to treat people. we cannot become, as we are seeing in other countries, a

country who determines who lives and who dies. we have to be there to perfect that. >> congressman, on that front the question of ventilators, hospital equipment, what you're talking about the need for that, we had the news at the top the president today invoking those emergency powers that would force contractors to produce ventilators, to produce medical equipment. do you think that will make a meaningful difference in the challenge you're describing? >> that will make a significant difference. if there's one thing i heard from all of the presidents of the major hospitals, like presbyterian, mount sinai, harlem hospitals, is they need that equipment immediately. they're running out of masks. they're running out of gloves. again, ventilators are critical. as the disease continues to move at a high rate. today i was surveying a parking lot to see where we could have a good drive-thru testing site because the money seems to not be getting here or help getting here quickly enough. i had to go out there with local

physicians to determine where we would park at the hospitals to open up these drive-thru testing sites. >> michael, you said a minute ago you had folks out there that are just looking for simple, straight answers. direct, straight answers. i think that's absolutely right. i definitely put myself in that category. let me ask you for one, how long realistically is this style of social distancing that folks are now integrating into their lives going to last? because we had this talk from the administration. you saw the interview saying 15 days but maybe a little longer. you have ezekiel emanuel saying mid-may would be realistic goal. be thankful if it ends sooner. we have this report from imperial college basically saying, hey, until there's a vaccine, 18 months from now, this might largely be the new norm. >> yes, so first of all, again just from a straight talk standpoint, let's clear up a couple of things. one, i think the imperial college report is right. it's going to be 15 to 18 months and we're going to have to decide how we're going to live

during that time, not just die from the virus. second of all, let me just say what the president did today in signing that act is largely cosmetic. and i resent the fact we're trying to sell to america we're doing something we're not. every company right now that makes respirators, makes ventilators, makes protective gear have been working full time with every machine running 24/7 for weeks. there's nothing new coming. you just don't invent these overnight. so we are going to be very short on these issues. as far as testing, i think we're going to see an implosion of testing in three, four weeks. we're running out of reagents. the world doesn't have enough reagents right now. we do not support drive-by testing right now. we need to focus it in hospitals where it will have its most important good and we're going to be rationing testing in a way that we haven't even thought about just within a few weeks because we can't. >> i want to go back to the first question i asked you and i want to make sure i heard you

right there. is it your view looking at the situation that this level of social distancing will be the norm for 15 to 18 months? >> i didn't say it will be the norm. what i said is if you look at the model from the imperial college, if you want to suppress this, if you want to not have cases occur where we flood the hospitals, then we have to do that. if we decide that's not what we're going to do, we're basically going to try to protect those at greatest risk of serious illness or death, then we will see cases increase. but if they increase in the younger population who don't need hospitalization, then we won't flood the hospitals as much. we have not had a thoughtful discussion on this. we rang a bell this week to do a couple things that a lot of people would last a couple of weeks and as the imperial college report says, that's not the case. you'll have to keep this up forever. china is an experiment right now that will tell us a great deal. they suppressed their population movement dramatically. they suppressed the disease. as their economy comes back over the next two, three weeks, wait

and see what happens when people are back in subways, buses and trains and they're all cheek to jial and manufacturing plants. we predict five to seven weeks we will see resurgence back in china. that's what imperial college says will happen here, and i think they're right. >> michael oesterhome, adriana, thank you very much. coming up -- where do we stand on the availability of test kits? new research released about possible airborne transmission of the virus. and how long can it last on surfaces? and providing sick leave and benefits is just part of a massive stimulus plan that may be in the works. who's likely to get how much for the government and how much? a lot more to get to. stay with us. family's land. when the first snow fell, the kids went sledding right there.

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in two weeks i will look back on today and say i wish i had done three things, and they would be personal protective equipment, personal protective equipment, and personal protective equipment. because these doctors we just saw interviewed, if they're absent, they can't use those ventilators. that's my fear today and that's where i sthink we should be focused. >> it welcome back. that's tom bossert, president trump's former homeland security adviser sounding the alarm on behalf of millions of america's health care professionals on the front line fighting this pandemic. and saying health workers, quote, have been put at risk not only by the nature of their job but by shortages of protective equipment such as n95 face macings, government bungling of testing programs, which was delayed for weeks while the virus spread around this country undetected. earlier today defense secretary mark esper said the pentagon would share its equipment with

health care professionals. >> the department of defense will make available up to 5 million n95 respirator masks and other personal protection equipment from our own strategic reserves to the department of health and human services for distribution. the first 1 million masks will be available immediately. >> the growing concern over proper equipment comes as a new study published in "the new england journal of medicine" shows the virus can survive in air particles for several hours and contaminated surfaces up to three days. for more, i'm joined by debra burger, nurse and co-president of the national nurses united, the largest union of registered nurses. and dr. parra, chief medical adviser of the bipartisan policy center and former deputy assistant secretary for hhs. doctor, let me start with you just on that piece of information that we had at the end that i think catches everybody's attention. the idea that this virus can be airborne, does that mean you can

be just walking around and somebody who's infected was in the area an hour or two or a few minutes earlier and you can get it? >> it's an important study that was released today. i think most experts still believe the primary mode of transmission here is through droplets. so within six feet, cough, sneeze, large droplet being the mode of transmission. the study really here focuses in the health care setting and particularly for health care professionals who are doing invasive procedures or who are intubating patients, meaning connecting them to ventilators, in those situations the coronavirus becomes aerialized in small particles. in fact health care workers at that point, what they need is not masks but n95 respirators, essentially specially fitted respirator that's do not allow inhalation of smart particles. what the study found is these particles stay in the air about

a half hour and come down under surfaces. i think it's an important study. i think it's going to influence some of the infection control practices, particularly in the hospital and intensive care units. and in tefrms oterms of surface what the study showed is that coronavirus could in fact stay on cardboard for up to a day, as well as metal and plastic for three days. so, begin, that speaks to the importance of also an environmental cleaning in getting those surfaces disinfected. >> i just, again, from a practical standpoint here for consumers who are going out there to the grocery store to stock up on things and buying something that's in cardboard, it's on the shelves, it's been touched by workers at the store of other customers, by other people. we're getting a plastic bag. should they be cleaning off everything they touch, everything they bring home from the store? should they be wearing gloves at the store? >> i think probably the most judicious advice is if you get a package -- we're getting more and more home deliveries now, if

you have a disinfectant, certainly wipe it off, wash your hands. probably unlikely, unless it's somebody who has coronavirus asymptomatic or symptomatic coughs and sneezes and then their particles are there and you touch it and you expose yourself. so less likely. but it never hurts to wipe down services and wash your hands. >> debra, everything we're talking about here certainly in terms of it sounds like this airborne issue is particularly acute. we felt by health care professionals, by nurses, by folks who are on the front line. how equipped are nurses, how equipped are medical professionals to deal with these particular risks? and just how are they handling this situation? >> well, to tell you the truth at the hospitals in california across the nation, they are not equipped. nurses are being told to reuse

masks, that they don't need masks. they don't need to essentially just go in and take care of the patient in the room without any protections. we're extremely alarmed because they relaxed the standards for protections again today. and in the cdc's recommendations they said if you have to, make a mask out of a bandana or a scarf. and we're talking about nurses that are going to be taking care of patients for quite some time, and to be told that they don't have the supply to protect all health care workers at this point is ludicrous at best. and really unconscionable at worst. there isn't enough transparency to tell us where all of these masks are. there hasn't been transparency and communication. the lack of testing for nurses and health care workers that have been exposed to the

covid-19 virus are told to stay home, monitor their temperature, come back to work if they're asymptomatic. but we know there have been cases of the virus that have been transmitted with people that are asymptomatic. and then there were cracks in the hole in this system all along, even before this virus. and those are now even more apparent with poor communication, lack of proper functioning equipment already, and the fact that there's short supply and short staffing. nurses already without this surge are working double shifts, working overtime, working through their breaks. so we're extremely alarmed at what is happening and we have known about this since january. why it's taken this long to try to get supplies for health care workers so they don't bring it home to their family or to the

community, why isn't more being done? and that's why we are extremely alarmed and angry. >> doctor, there were some headlines yesterday that caught my attention and made me feel optimistic about this in a way i hadn't in a few days. there were headlines if china and south korea talking about the spread in china being significantly slow. the number of new cases kind of grinding to a halt there. signs in south korea of professional sports potentially returning there in the not-so-distant future several weeks from now. maybe the idea of life after a cycle of intent social distancing in these countries may be starting to get back to normal. so that made me hospital mystic. in the last segment, however, we were talking with michael osterholm from the university of minnesota, he was basically saying his expectation is those countries are going to try this, they're going to try returning to normal and it's all going to

happen again. what person is going to get it, it's going to spread, spread just as easily has it has been here for the last couple of weeks. he's basically saying to really limit this, it's going to take social distancing until there is a vaccine. which is a year, year and a half, maybe more away. do you share that view? >> first things first, i think in this country to get to where china and south korea are now in terms of declining cases, we need to focus on three things, testing, social distancing and rapidly deploying critical medical material and personal protective equipment to the front line since we know this health care surge is coming. and now those countries are in fact seeing a decline. i think we're going to have to wait and see, as they relax, open up businesses, open up entertainment, will the cases go -- >> what is your sense of it though? what do you expect? osterholm was pretty pessimistic

it sounded like. >> it could be. this is a virus we have not had immunity, most of us have not gotten it before. but once we interact with one another and have close contact, absolutely, without a vaccine, this to come back be again. the question is, well, if it comes back and we have to do social distancing again, we may be in a pattern over several months where we try to ease restrictions and put them back, try to ease -- because the stamina of the american public is going to be critical. we can do this for days, we can do this for weeks but when you expect the american public to do this for 12 to 18 months, that is going to be a new way of life. so i think the one thing here is we can learn from china and south korea. that's the only silver lining he here, let's learn from other countries and take it one step at a time. >> thank you both so much for joining us. appreciate that. >> thank you. up next -- the senate overwhelmingly approves a second

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nbc news obtained a copy of a $1 trillion troezry proposal for aid priorities that include $500 billion in direct payments to taxpayers. it will would include $50 billion in loans to prop up the airline industry, $150 billion for other distressed sectors and $300 billion for small business interruption loans. the direct payments to taxpayers would come in two rounds of $250 billion each. one starting on april 6th. the second on may 18th. the amounts to individuals would be based on income and other family size. those checks could be as much as $1,000 each. today president trump was asked if he would like to provide even more. >> we are looking at different numbers. we are looking at things splitting time and splitting payments. we're looking at a lot of different things. it hasn't been determined yet but it will be as everybody seems to want to go big and get

to the recovered. >> the president also said he would suspend all foreclosures and evictions until the end of april. today's proposal from the white house comes as the senate passed its second coronavirus relief package by a vote of 90-8. the senate approved spending roughly $100 billion on expanding paid sick leave, unemployment insurance and free coronavirus testing. the bill now goes to president trump for his signature. and in another major development, the three detroit auto companies agreed to shut down their factories across north america, an unprecedented decision that carries major implications for the industry. for more i'm joined by anish alcindor, white house correspondent for the pbs news hour and stephanie ruhle, cnbc business correspondent. stephanie, the price tag we're seeing for this potential stimulus, you think back about a decade, the obama stimulus, t.a.r.p. before that. we're looking at something potentially even bigger in scope than that. >> and it might not be nearly

enough. we just don't know. something we have to remember that's different between the '08 crisis and now, the 2008 crisis was self-inflicted. the banking industry did it to itself, taking enormous risk with the house's money and essentially the house fell apart. right now what we're faced with is essentially a natural disaster that our government didn't assess or address, and now the only way to address this crisis is basically shut down the economy, nationally if not globally. the implications of it are huge across all industries. so when you talk about what industry is hit, i ask you besides grocery stores and pharmacies, what industry isn't hit? >> anish, looking at the contours of what the white house is putting together here, obviously the big headline there, these direct payments potentially up to $1,000 to people, what are the prospects on capitol hill for a plan like this? specifically, what are democrats saying about it?

>> the president, after downplaying it for several weeks, now sees that the coronavirus is something that is a direct risk to the economy, which is a big part of what his re-election bid was going to be about. and it seems as though the president is leaning on republicans to get behind this idea of direct cash payment to americans. he said look, the economy is critical but also so are our everyday americans. people need cash now. they should not have to struggle because of this coronavirus. on capitol hill it seems democrats are definitely behind this. the ally of the president, senator lindsey graham, was pushing back when steve mnuchin came up to talk about the plan with gop lawmakers. there are people within the republican party who are really questioning whether or not the federal government should be handing out checks to americans, even though the president says they badly need them. >> but part of the reason for the pushback, steve, from republicans is, how long is it? this isn't -- right now they're saying this is a two-time payment. but when you talk to -- you were just speaking to medical experts that said this could be 15

months, it could be 18 months. when you look at the restaurant industry alone -- >> that's my question. four weeks, people thinking ahead two, four, six, weeks, something like that, it's dire. we're watching the world shut down around us. when you start talking about months going into the end of the year, going into next year, going through next year, what would this country even look like? okay, remember that. most companies out there across industries are highly levered. they have revolving credit lines to banks. what are they doing? drawing down, drawing down. the fed has done a lot this week to make sure the machine is still working. but when i say things are hanging on by a thread, you're going to see second tier oil company, oil and gas companies, go under. think about the retail industry. we already talked about the american mall dyeing. what do you think this is going to do? a nail in the coffin. >> anish, what are the discussions around the

administration? the idea here is this two-prong, april and may payments, looking at something to cover basically the spring months of this year. but are there discussions in the administration about this possibility that's come up here and in this hour on this show of much longer periods of social distancing being required and, therefore, a much longer period of just dire economic disruption? are there conversations around the administration, around capitol hill for that matter, about what to do in that case? >> there are conversations. and the answer of whether or not or how to deal with coronavirus or how long it might last, this outbreak now hitting the world, it really depends whether or not you're a health official or political official in the white house based on my sourcing. when i talk to political officials inside the white house, they say 18 months is way too long. the president said that from the podium. when i'm talking to sources on background and off the record, they're saying look, we've seen those 18-month projections but that's if we did nothing. that's if we didn't have any treatment. that's if we ran out of masks.

that's if we literally did nothing and the coronavirus just spread and spread and spread. but when you talk to health experts, including, of course, dr. fauci, a leading health official that's helping the president and the administration get their arms around this, and, of course, actually happening now, dr. fauci said there's no way to tell what the peak of this is. right now he's saying this can go on and on and on, even though the president said this could end by august. dr. fauci said we don't know how long it will be. we've been clear about that for a very long time. >> right. some of the experts we had on earlier this hour certainly -- i said i was feeling optimistic about some of the news i was hearing about south korea and china in the last day or so, but -- >> but those countries took drastic draconian action. >> stephanie, what's bothering me is what i heard from the experts earlier this hour, they took drastic draconian action, bent the curve, flattened the curve, talked about going back to normal life and what i hear from the experts they still may have this come back intensely in

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for biden. also illinois, take a look here. i think illinois captures the biggest difference between what bernie sanders was dealing with four years ago versus now. what i mean was illinois was a close state four years ago. bernie sanders almost won illinois four years ago. this is what illinois looked like four years ago. this is what the big states all across the midwest looked like four years ago when sanders was running against clinton. remember, sanders actually won michigan four years ago. he was very close in illinois. he won minnesota. bernie sanders did really well in states like illinois four years ago. this is what illinois looked like last night. one single solitary county from the state going for bernie sanders. this is where the university of illinois is. you see even there it was a narrow margin. basically what's happened across the midwest and elsewhere, but it's really pronounced in the midwest is blue collar white voters, particularly blue collar white voters in 2016, were with bernie sanders, were against hillary clinton, not faced with the twist between biden and

sanders. that split is gone. they're going with biden. they're leading sanders. you will see it in michigan, illinois, missouri. i bet if we had ohio yesterday, good chance we would have seen it there. it raises a general election question if biden is the nominee. remember, the reason trump's president, he was able to win those three states there, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin on the strength of blue collar white support, is biden's improvement in the primaries among blue collar white voters, does that portend more success with him for those voters than clinton had four years ago? that's the million dollar question in presidential politics. another one is will we have another presidential primary this cycle? it's a little more basic at this point. still ahead, bernie sanders' options as he reassesses his campaign. to the mowers of green acres, rural ramblers and back to the landers. whether you saddle up or buckle down. run with us. to the kid corralers, grill masters and all those who ride faster.

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crisis asking me these questions. >> you're running for president. >> right now i'm trying to do my best to make sure we don't have an economic meltdown and people don't die. is that enough for you? does that keep your busy today. >> i'm joined by susan paige and shaquille brewster following the sanders' campaign. let me start with you. what's the latest you're hearing from sandsanders' world. >> he's on his way to vermont where he'll make this decision and as you saw in the clip or heard in the audio there, senator sanders has been focused on this coronavirus crisis since even before election night. when he had the virtual rally with supporters, he didn't mention the fact there was an election on tuesday or encourage people to vote. he stayed comments all on his proposals and what he's going to submit to.

senate minority leader chuck schumer for the crisis. we'll go to burlington and he and jane will sit down and assess the path forward and seek input from supporters and really theng abo think about the decision. the path has onlyinkr inkres -- increasingly harder. they said they had a lot of work to put in. after getting swept tuesday, the path is more difficult. he's only won seven of the states that have voted so far. our political unit says he needs to win more than 60% of the remaining delegates in order to clinch the nomination. so they understand that path that he has there but you're hearing multiple things from his supporters, some wanting him to say and acre nom leknowledging be the end. >> sanders needs this, he lost everywhere last night and basically lost everywhere a week ago. there was the party run primary

in north dakota where he got a victory and at this point, it would take a major change it would seem in the basic psychology of democratic voters to change this race in a way that sanders would have a shot. the question, the big picture question is that something that is likely here? is that something that democratic voters given the intense focus on coronavirus and people staying home, the way the world has changed in the last two weeks, is there room for a political race to change that dramatically? >> no. and i think when you talk politics we assess my campaign is code four. i'm about to get out of this and trying to smooth away with the people, the staffers, supporters who have been with me. sanders has a couple problems. no victories recently. no more debates to get attention. no ability to stage those big rallies that show his enthusi m enthusiastic support and no attention because all of us are focused on this terrible pandemic. i would be -- i would be stunned

if there was a path to the nomination. i would be surprised, as well, if he doesn't choose to get out in short order. >> the other question here, too, is just it's a nuts and bolts question but next week was supposed to be the georgia primary. it been postponed for at least two months. the ohio is off until june. louisiana, maryland, kentucky. i'm imagining there are more that will be added to the list quickly here. you got states pushing these back to as late as they can in the primary season. this open question of how long this social distancing is going to play out. will we have more primaries? >> that's right. that's something his campaign manager acknowledge in a statement this morning. before we even saw from -- before we saw senator sanders, he said the next contest is not for at least three weeks ago so senator sanders has time to make this decision. as you mentioned, as you acknowledged, he's not able to do rallies that we normally see

him do. he's not able to have that get out the vote operation that his campaign always totes. it's a question can he campaign? can he reach new voters when his national numbers continue to fall and when much of the party and he's receiving pressure from within the democratic party it's his time to pull back. the point i have to make, when you talk to supporters and top su sure he can keep the pressure on vice president biden like we saw sunday. the bankruptcy bill or college for all proposal that vice president started to lean into. they believe he can put pressure on vice president biden but it mi ultimately, it will be senator sanders' decision. >> the question whether social distancing could be a months or years plus proposition, this idea of no rallies, of speeches in empty rooms, somber -- i mean, this -- this might be the

campaign, no? >> you said will we have a democratic convention in july? that's a question officials are looking at to figure out how can you stage a convention if you can't get people together in a large group. this is bad for democrats that want to generate excitement about joe biden and about whoever his running mate is. also, tough news for donald trump because bernie sanders has these big rallies. donald trump has even bigger rallies and they are the thing that gives him terrific energy. a question on both sides. >> all right. susan paige and shaquille brewster, thank you for being us. that's our show tonight. thank you at home for being with us, as well. "all in" with chris hayes is next. "all in" with chris hayes s next

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