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. a very good saturday you to. i'm richard lui in new york city. thank you for spending your afternoon us with. over 80 million americans are asked to stay home on this saturday. states across the country are enforcing strict stay at home regulations. the this is to try to slow the spread of the coronavirus. there are currently over 21,000
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confirmed cases across the country. 254 deaths as of this hour. dr. anthony fauci today making the argument not everyone needs to get tested. he says it could be a risk to health care workers potentially. take a listen. >> not every single person in the united states needs to get tested. when you go in and get tested, you are consuming personal protective equipment, masks and gowns. those are high priority for the health care workers who are taking care of people that have coronavirus disease. >> that happened earlier today. we have reporters covering the story for us across the country. first, we're going to start with nbc's monica alba at the white house. monica, as we sat there listening to the briefing, i guess we're looking for data. we saw that over 195,000 tests have been given so far. that's a new number. that say big number. again, not at all the number that we were at least indicated the week before when they said
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there is 1.9 million test kits put out. any other data we heard about? >> that's right, richard. another lengthy briefing. but a little bit short on some of the specifics when it comes to the exact numbers of tests and while officials continue to say that there is many as millions of tests out there, that is clearly not being seen or matched by the health care workers on the ground and the people who have symptoms and feel they need to be tested for the coronavirus. and are unable to. pt so a little bit of mixed messaging on that front. also something the president tweeted about this morning, the possible new combination of two existing drugs that might be helpful in the treatment of coronavirus not to be confused with a vaccine. the president coming out almost with this prescription saying he thinks that they go down this path this could be something that could be very, very useful to people suffering from this. but doctor fauci was a little more measured on that front and said there simply isn't enough clinical evidence on that. we've seen a little difference on that front. and also an update on the
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defense production act. the president did envoek and said he signed but has not compelled companies to start making these gowns and gloves and masks that health care workers say this he so desperately need. we heard he still is saying that he hasn't actually asked them to do that. that may be something we see in the coming days though if the need continues. >> let's go to new york. the big numbers that wear seeing coming out of new york clearly unfortunately number one of all states, over 10,000 cases right now. what is latest in new york that you're seeing? >> i can tell you that a normal saturday at this hour this street would be filled with people. it is restaurant row. we're steps from famous times square. nothing is normal, richard. two hours from now, the governor is said all nonessential businesses must shut down and that includes new york city. we should sell you, new york city is once again ground zero.
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this time for coronavirus. hospitals here's in the city are sounding the alarm about a critical lack of personal protective equipment. and now they say they're limiting the test to only those who are hospitalized. 7100 have tested positive for the virus. one million masks are on the way to new york city. they cost about 80 cents and is now $4. he is price gouging. he said we need the mask and buying them. richard? >> thank you so much. let's head over to california. >> an interesting headline coming out of the "l.a. times." they were questioning whether they should focus on the data coming from testing because they can't get tests.
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they focus the energies towards other measures such as stay at home. >> yeah. this is pretty good evidence of people staying at home. this is similar to what she was saying. not a typical spring afternoon on university avenue in palo alto. that is the apple store. we're ten miles from apple headquarters. they're closed along with the rest of the apple stores. restaurants are open but open for takeout only. and around the corner is a place called palo alto creamery which has been in business -- it's been in business for many, many years. the current owner rob fisher has owned foiit for 30 years. he owns five other restaurants in silicon valley. and he has had to close all but that one. all but that one restaurant. and he has had to lay off 230 of his 240 employees. this is going to start showing up in the national numbers very soon. every week the labor department
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releases initial claims for unemployment benefits. that is normally a couple hundred thousand people. there are now estimates that that initial jobless claim number will be up above two million. and all communities across the country like palo alto are going to feel that effect. >> so many americans really underline it for us there, scott. they're saying we're in the middle of a recession. we're going to cover that question and topic later in the show. thank you so much, scott. thank you all, all of our reporters with the latest. now as the numbers of those infected continue to grow, there are medical experts that are racing to find a potential treatment and a vaccine to tack this will virus. joined now by dr. david ho, director and ceo of the aaron diamond aids research center. r many have called you the preeminent aids searcher within the heart of the aids epidemic.
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and you are part of the solution. when you see the data that we got out today coming from the white house and i'll start i guess with the testing, 195,000. what do you make on where we're trending on testing right now? >> obviously, testing is ramping up rapidly n our hospital we were doing about 50 per day and now the capacity is up to 1,000 per day. this is a reflection of the virus spreading and the ramp up in testing. >> is it -- >> we're hearing the headline coming out of southern california going, well, we can't get the tests right now. there say potential bottle neck with the swabs, with the extraction kits and then there
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is, of course, the labs itself. is that the right perspective as you are working at the preeminent universities in the country focusing on this? is that what you need. do you need less data? you need more data. >> yes. without more testing, we're operating blind or partially blind and that's not good for trying to control the epidemic and flatten the curve. in my view, the more testing we do, the better we will manage the crisis. >> now you managed crisis before. i mentioned the auids epidemic. then we move on to sars. that is also something that you were helping many different countries around the tworld c e countries the worldcom up with solutions. what you are doing right now when it comes to coronavirus? you and your team are looking for treatments right now and
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what can you say that in terms of progress that you found? >> well, we're racing to screen for drugs that are very active against the coronavirus. and we're also racing to fish out antibodies from individuals who have recovered from the illness. and we're hoping, obviously, to develop these drugs, optimize them and the anti-body as well and try to turn them into products that could be used to treat patients as well as sprent infection. >> doctor, can you help us under the question of sustainability snt numbe? the numbers are huge. some have us up into 99 million infections across the country. but all that being said, when we get past whatever this phase is, what are you looking about sustainability? it can keep coming back, can't it, the coronavirus? >> yes.
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so let's look at china that was hit by the first wave. and they applied very, very draconian measures including locking down 50 million people. and they certainly flattened the curve and to a point where there is actually less than 20 cases per day in a country of 1.2 billion. corr careera applied different strategy and flattened the curve. there are multiple ways of achieving the ultimate objective. the question is how long could you sustain the current practices? and that's a question that society must answer together. there's no way that china could continue the current measures indefinitely without huge loss
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in terms of economic and otherwise. and we need to in this country we're just beginning to implement measures to flatten the curve. and we need to ask what other measures could be us sustained g term? i don't profess to know the answers. but that's a question we must quickly address. >> you help us understand scope, doctor. very quickly, what numbers might we expect in terms of cases across america so we can get a sense of what that peak is? >> well, you know, here in new york we're at the epicenter of this epidemic in the country. and yesterday we had almost 2,000 new confirmed cases. and we're on a trajectory that mimics italy and italy in terms of mortality has already surpassed china.
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and so i have a feeling we'll be on the upswing for another few days and hopefully we could then bend this curve as china and korea have done. and it looks like iran might be bending the curve a little bit. it can be done. that is the encouraging news. as i said earlier, how long can we continue these measures? >> and you were eluding to italy. again, nearly 800 deaths within the last 24 hours we're hearing yet again. doctor david ho at columbia university, thank you so much for your time today. again, for your perspective on how we can watch the coronavirus as it moves forward. as numbers of those being tested continue, so do the numbers of those testing positive for the virus. the white house saying that numbers of tests they've conducted continues to grow. over 195,000. that's what the white house is
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saying. they were asking americans to refrain from testing unless they have symptoms. lit's go to our nbc news think contributor and former spokesperson for the house oversight committee. you know, as we look at what we're hearing from the white house right now, sherry, the numbers and the data, i'll go back to what we heard, right, last week almost seven days ago and that was 1.9 million test kits are going to be implemented in the coming week. yet, we've only had a tenth of those actual tests that have come to pass. what are the data points that the white house needs to be accountable for? >> they did say that they had exceeded that number of tests being distributed. the test kits. although, they caution that not
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all of the labs are able to conduct all of the types of tests. as you heard, you know, there are still people around the country that are having trouble accessing tests. the coronavirus task force did urge all members from the vice president and also dr. tony fauci said that americans who don't have symptoms should not get tested right now. and the reason they gave is the shortage of personal protective equipment. if you go for a test, the workers have to put on the protective equipment that is in shortage in order to test you. it is almost like they're rationing the tests right now in a way. >> you know, current -- i was looking at what the top five states are. we show a little earlier, new york certainly is a top state right now. the latest information as of this hour now at 10,000.
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just in the state of new york. these numbers are just huge compared to what we had yesterday. now we're now over 21,000. so new york is at the top here. we also have the small states too. the five bottom states. i think we have that full screen too that can show it is hitting every state, alaska, south dakota, montana, wyoming. so we're from sea to shining sea. and what congress can do to push the president potentially to do more. they say they're working together. zblfr that's what it's going to take to kbat kbcombat this cris. we're seeing the convergence of the more people are tested, the more we're seeing those who are infected, the rates go up. they don't have the resources they need to actually do all tests they need. they're going to need help paying bills, meaning rent. this is onest times where all the parts that dominate washington that we've seen play throughout the last three years.
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it's going to exacerbate this crisis and a crisis that should last three or five months will last six or ten months. up to this moment, i think there should be a massive backlash to american people who hold them b accountable. >> you heard the numbers that were brought up. he was saying look at new york state. compare that to italy. and if you look at italy and new york state, that's pretty scary. what stood out in the conversation do you think, jeff, when you heard that dr. ho was saying. >> i think that emphasis that you were just talking about in terms of italy and the united states being closed to that is
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and the american public. i think you've seen a tension at the white house and even in the daily briefings for members of the coronavirus task force regarding testing of -- and as we were just saying a little bit earlier, there is this -- i think human desire if you're feeling sick or around somebody that may have been sick to want to check and get tested but there aren't enough -- haven't been enough tests. the only way we'll ever know the true extent of how big the problem is in the united states is to have that data.
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. president trump they're putting pressure on the hospitals with the potential to create some very large gaps in hospital equipment such as making a shortage of beds, numbering as many as 1.3 million. that is just the in patient beds. then you look at icu beds, that's as many as 295,000
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throughout this coronavirus pandemic. the longer the curve, as has been talked about so far, it reduce that's gap by as much as a half. you can still see on the right hand side of your screen those numbers are big when we look at in patient gebeds and icu beds. "the new york times" estimating there are 160,000 ventilators in the u.s. yet, the american hospital association estimates over 960,000 will be needed, ventilators over the pandemic's course. joining us now, former white house cabinet secretary for president obama, chris lou. and the former policy director for mitt romney. so let's start with you here, chris. you're going through the planning. what would happen if we faced a national emergency like this.
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you would have to activate and say, hey industry, we need the beds. start making them, for instance. >> there are portions around the u.s. economy to deal with these. there are companies to produce certain items as well as to stop price gouging and hoarding. this is a wartime president. this is a president dealing with a public health crisis that we have not seen in generations. that everything needs to be on the table right now. and what is unclear from the white house briefings is whether he actually has invoked the defense production act or not. it is more of a threat that he is holding over companies right now to try to get them to shift the manufacturing. but the broader issue needs to be asked, yes, we need to use
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every authority now but how much time was waisted over the last couple months when we first heard about what is happening with china and ramp up this production. a lot is happening belatedly now. the president never took this seriously for two months. >> the focus is let's let the states move as fast as they need to do. as well on the federal level, makt moves we need to do. and there is criticisms levied at this white house. your thought? >> this is always the challenge. policy making in our american environment necessarily requires the coordination of multiple supports. so the federal government has the ability, for example, to loosen the regulatory requirements that will give states and local health authorities the opportunity to act more swiftly and more decisively during these times. there is no question the federal government plays a huge role. there is a balance. the federal government cannot be the entity that does everything. it must be the entity that
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enables other entities to do things. i think chris makes a good point around planning. it's something that all good administration shz you do. think carefully about what are the sorts of contingency that's could arise? there are a lot of things about coronavirus that are different from, for example, let's say efforts to prepare against certain flus which we saw back in the mid 2000s and the late 2000s. coronavirus presented a set of challenges. a lot of that planning which probably should have been done in the weeks that were leading up to the crisis arriving here in the united states, unfortunately that time probably was not used as well as it should have been used in seeking to plan for the kinds of things we're seeing now. >> talking about planning. stick around. we're going to talk about economic planning and you both certainly have expertise in that space. we'll get to chris and lonnie shortly on. that coming up for you, my next guest has been taking charge in
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state and local governments are doing their best to ramp up testing. shortages and necessary supplies and hospital beds are hamstringing some of the efforts. an example here, washington state king county, now erecting a field hospital on a local soccer field. this, you see it right here, as a state scrambles to increase hospital bed capacity while confirmed cases continue to rise. now washington governor has already declared a state of emergency and ordered schools and restaurants closed. but in states where governors are reluctant to take such action, city and local officials
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are also taking -- stepping up and doing those very actions themselves. just this morning the mayor of miami-dade county in florida issued an order halting short term vacation rentals. this follows a week where the florida governor refused to close the state's beaches. that led to these crowds gathering just when medical authorities were increasing social distancing measures. now these are closed as of today. joining us now, the mayor of miami. he is on day nine of quarantine after testing positive for c. so covid-19. this is the quintessential question. it happens at the local level. it hapdz in very much what you got to do day to day and how has this steps you have implemented in miami been going? i gave the example washington state and in terms of what they're doing. >> we were first city to canceled a major music festival.
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we canceled a music festival that was going to bring 150,000 people from 105 countries. question that weeks ago. people said our actions were premature. so we saw the rest of the nation follow. obviously, the nba started cancelling the season. major league baseball, soccer, et cetera. and i think the world at that point started to realize how dramatic this virus could affect their communities. so what we've done and you mentioned it before i got on the air, we closed our beaches. we closed our restaurants, bars. we told our residence to stay home and we told spring breakers to go home. >> what have you been doing in terms of testing? >> so what we're doing is we're ramping up testing in miami-dade county. we're working with the governor. we're working with the county mayor to get a testing site at where the dolphins play at dolphins stadium. the big issue, of course, not
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just being able to collect the samples but making sure we have a lab that can turn around the test results. our residents want to be tested at a much broader scale. frankly, everything we've seen across the world indicates that the better hand that will we have on the data and the numbers, bert that we can prepare ourselves for what is to come. >> how are you handling nonresidence and non-u.s. citizens? >> you know, it's difficult. the city of miami is an area where people come from across the world and across the country. and like i said, you know, we're telling our residence to stay home. but we're telling those who are visiting to go home. the reason why is because, you know, we just -- you know, our hotels are closed. our beaches are closed. our restaurants are closed. really, there is nothing to do
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but congregate potentially which is exactly what we don't want people to do. >> and mayor suarez, quickly, you're doing well? >> yes, thankfully i'm on day nine. i'm very fortunate. i'm one of the lucky people that had very mild symptoms. i am urging people and warning people that there are some people asymptom theic. they can be trans mitted to this virus. to very vulnerable people in our community. and it can overwhelm our hospitals and first responders. >> the mayor has not necessarily been able to see his wife nor his two young children because he is, again, staying at home, sheltering in place by himself. mayor, thank you so much of miami. thank you for what you do on the ground there. >> thank you. >> all right. >> let's bring back our panel. >> jeff, it's great to see individuals like this. the leadership on a very local level, one has to ask how that particular mayor is working with
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the federal government as well as the state government along the way. the president and administration saying they have been coordinating where necessary. >> well, they certainly have. i was in the white house press board a couple days ago. the president went to fema and held a conference call with a bunch of governors. and it was actually quite interesting to watch as he listened to governors both from states that are heavily democratic and more heavily republican and democratic and republican governors telling him what they needed. most of them are specific about what they wanted in terms of financial aid, block grants is something that came up repeatedly. also the issue about swabs. there is discussion about the federal government sometimes getting some confusion if there is an order in for a company that can provide those things that the frol government was getting preference over states. so, yes, there is certainly some coordination and quite a bit of coordination between both sides. >> what is different about the
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coverage this time around is we're covering fairly equally a lot of governors and their press briefings. as well as the president and his press briefings at the same time really showing how governors are pushing forward right now. if you were to pick one or, two i brought up washington state at the beginning of the segment, really a state that has been very, very aggressive in hand willing it on their own. sherry, can you hear me? >> you're asking me. yeah. sorry about that. thfr is us all doing it remote. remotely. yeah, certainly i wouldn't say they're doing it on their own. they have federal support. but they're also all emergency start local. that's a principle in the emergency response system that we have in the u.s. but they do need that federal support and you heard people in washington calling for that. you heard the governor of new york calling for that as well.
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and getting some response. so that is that strong leadership on a state level, local level, all of the levels are needed for something like this, absolutely. >> kurt, california, i was just mentioning there their governor taking steps. but on that -- they seem different from the federal government. the president and that governor saying we are working together. >> i think what we see with local government is they're the ones closest to the people an on the ground, seeing things firsthand that people in washington oftentimes don't necessarily see as it unfolds in real time. i think about the san diego mayor, kevin faulkner and the measures he took in san diego. he's one of the first mayors to close the bars and night life, limit group settings to less than 50 people weeks ago. the proximity that he has particularly with the u.s.-mexico border is something he has to deal with. and the steps that he was taking were really steps far ahead of where the federal response was. and oftentimes i think that
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mayors are really important in in process because they're going to see things that we won't. when we start doing the outreach in calls, make the eyes and ears for response is local mayors. >> great stuff as always. we'll see new a little bit. up next for you, we're talking about trillions and trillions potentially, some estimates about how much business might lose as well as every day americans main street and wall street. challenges and opportunities. at ameriprise financial we can't predict what tomorrow will bring. but our comprehensive approach to financial planning can help make sure you're prepared for what's expected and even what's not. and that kind of financial confidence can help you sleep better at night. ♪ with the right financial advisor life can be brilliant. ♪
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congress, that stimulus plan but many experts argue that may not be enough. now let me give you one example, the founder of bridgewater associates who has his fingers in a lot of different spaces, he is estimating that u.s. business losses alone due to the coronavirus will amount to $4 trillion. that does not even mention americans on main street. my panel is back with me now. you are involved in investments, private equity investments and the health care industry. you have served on advisory panels on both sides of the aisle related to the health care industry. and when you look at this space, when we look at the amount of business losses, four trillion, the question you might ask to this congress is should the pricetag be bigger? dolly is saying $2 trillion is a better number.
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>> i think ween'll end up close to $2 trillion. you have the obvious people who need help which is all of the folks who are losing their jobs, who are unable to work, then you go and order beyond that. you're talking about small business owners. their ability to hire and vivent and grow in their communities. and then on top of that, you have health care professionals who probably we ought to be helping a little bit more even in this situation. so, you know, i think the pricetag is going to vary. the question really becomes what's the best way to deliver aid in a way that's going to help people, that's going to stimulate consumer confidence and on the demand side obviously create more interest while also recognizing that once we come out of this, once we begin to go back to closer to life as usual, you are going to see some economic bounce back. part of this is how do you keep things going while things are shut down, while things are difficult? i think that one trillion dollar number is on the very, very loaned of this.
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>> over to you, chris. you were under the obama administration as cabinet secretary and gaming the situations. you had to live through the '08-'09 crisis. the pricetag then was i believe $787 billion or so. and those who might be critical of it would say it was too much. others might say it was not enough h one trillion the right number here? >> richard, i don't think we know the right number. we're in the middle of a public health crisis. we don't know if this is a two week crisis or two months crisis. what we ought to do is put money into people's pockets so they can buy groceries need to give money so they can keep workers on or they can pay the leases as well. you know, two statistics stand out to me. one is that 40% of americans can't come up with $400 in an emergency. and that in terms of small businesses, the average restaurant has about 16 days of cash buffer where they cannot
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bring money in and still continue to pay bills. so notwithstanding where the economy was before this, most small businesses, most individuals are kind of operating week to week. so we need to give them a vital life line now. it's one reason i'm opposed at this point to large bailouts for corporations. we don't actually he know the impact. i would rather spend that money on individuals and small businesses first. >> you were on the hill. we don't need to be putting out more money. let's make sure fiscal responsibility stays in place. flip side is if you're a democrat at the moment, you -- you may be seen as you helping corporate business. that may not work well for those who stand very much at the left. the problem of having bailouts for large companies or industries like the airline industry, there is political headaches there. and the idea that you're going to bail out these large companies while the people on the ground suffering the most, small businesses need that help
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more. and i think the idea of fiscal responsibility that, is pretty much dead right now in the republican party. if we use federal resources, we need to use them to do the most good. you can spend $400 billion on the restaurant industry alone. making sure they can pay leases, keeping employees online, keeping the health benefits going. there is so much resources needed just at those service type jobs they don't have the large cash buffer to keep going through as prices prolong. >> all right, chris lou, thank you so much. up next, president trump continues to use the term chinese virus to describe the covid-19 pandemic on the controversy hubehind this when come back. hubehind this when we come back.
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or online, through chase. after all, it's yours. chase. make more of what's yours. . why do you keep calling this the chinese virus? there are reports of dozens of incidents of bias against chinese americans in this country. your own aide, secretary azar says he do not use this term, he says ethnicity does not cause the virus. it's racist. >> it's not racist at all. >> the president earlier dpeepding his administration's use of the term chinese virus, that to describe the covid-19
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pandemic. this despite medical professionals that have said and have debunked the link between the virus and a uniquely east asian origin. and critics also point out to the president's language and several incidents of racially motivated attacks of people of asian dissent. this as the virus spreads and so does the panic. back with us, kurt bardella, lanhee chen. kurt, why might this be seen as racially charged? >> when you look at the history of this president and the words he has used to describe people of color, african-americans, members of the hispanic community and now asian-americans, it's disturbing and this is a president who doesn't get the benefit of doubt when it comes to his intent. we saw earlier a snapshot inof
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his talking points and he crossed out coronavirus and wrote chinese virus. there is a story today talking about how the white house is going to make a concerted effort to label this as the chinese virus, they want to blame them. they're blind to the reality this is causing a lot of harm in the asian-american community. people are being targ eted on te subway and people are being sprayed with lysol on the subway. when the president uses that terl, it term, it putting people in dangers that don't need to be. and there's no excuse for it. >> these sort of theme attiatic
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many consequences to them. >> you saw governor newsome come out and relay the history of the chinese exclusion act from the 1800s that we tonight talk about anymore in trying to scituate the current moment, talking about the importance of understanding why it is that all of the issues around nomenclature, the issues around maybe what you call it do have repercussions on the community. i tend to think that this conversation is a little bit of a side show to be quite honest with you. i think the focus really needs to remain on what are we doing to fight the virus? what are we doing to ensure the proper public health infrastructure is there, to see to it that those who need tests are getting accessed to tests. those are the kind of questions i'm frankly muff more interested in but there's no question all
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of this arrives at a i'm and place where there is a cultural aspect. >> and thinking of the political end behind this and as lanhee is saying shift and focus toward the disease itself? >> i think actually there's a history for why we call viruses now by these other names and of that because the world health organization, as i understand it, was afraid of this kind of stigma being attached to global pandemics. so some time ago that is why they came up with a consensus way of naming new viruses that doesn't include the things we've had in the past like the spanish flu. so there's a history to this. it's no the about president trump. it's a larger context there. >> all right. great panel. i can't thank you enough. sherry, lanhelanhee, kurt, than
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