hi, everyone it is 4:00 in the east. new york city has become the epicenter of the coronavirus crisis in the united states, with 60% of the new cases in the country in the new york city metro area. most alarming to health officials is the infection rate which is 8 to 10 times higher in new york than other parts of the country. today according to governor andrew cuomo, nearly 900 coronavirus patients in new york are currently in the icu. the white house out with an extraordinary new directive for anyone who has stepped foot in the new york area recently. >> everybody who was in new york

should be self-quarantining for the next 14 days to ensure the virus doesn't spread to others, no matter where they have gone, whether it is florida, north carolina, or out to far reaches of long island. >> and that wasn't all for new yorkers. we woke up to a batch of frightening new developments today, including a higher than expected infection rate for young new yorkers. they said last night the bulk of coronavirus diagnoses, 46% of them, have been in patients between the ages of 18 and 44. an ongoing shortage of ventilators and other medical supplies is prompting an outcry from healthcare workers and local officials. new york city mayor bill de blasio taking to twitter last night to personally appeal to anyone with access to ventilators, masks, face shields, gowns, anything that can aid in the fight. de blasio writing, quote, we need it. for anyone who has given birth or been present for this little

miracle, this news will break your heart. two major new york city hospital networks telling pregnant women they're going to have to labor alone without spouses, family d side. and for the critically ill, doctors at a hospital in the bronx say they only have a few ventilators left for patients who need them. in queens, alarming new images show lines that go down the block, more than 100 people long. patients crowding far closer together than the socially distant six feet everyone recommends, just to get in the door for testing and treatment. the crisis has also ushered in an undisputed transformation for new york governor andrew cuomo. new york times today writes this, quote, mr. cuomo was once considered a bit player on the national stage, an abraisive presence who made his share of enemies. among his democratic party

peers. he was too much of a pragmatist for his party's progressive wing, too self-focussed for party leaders, and to brusque for nearly everyone, but now, now he's emerging as the party's most prominent voice in a time of crisis. cuomo has also become something of a frenemy for donald trump, who vacillates wildly depend on the headlines from a cuomo critic to a reluctant cuomo admirer. trump tweeting about a quote good conversation with governor cuomo this morning. after suggesting yesterday that cuomo should be doing more for new york. perhaps no state has more riding on the success of its leaders now than new york. the crisis unfolding in the country's largest cities where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. ron complaiklain, known adviser biden, physician and clinical assistant for professor at nyu, dr. lippy roy, maria gay, an editorial board member with "the new york times" whats a piece out i wish i hasn't read before

i came on the air because it had me in tears and white house reporter jonathan lemire. take me through two things, one, the crisis of not enough equipment, not enough ventilators, and the crisis of anyone who has been now through new york has to quarantine wherever they travel to? >> good afternoon, i'm happy to be here with you. so i'm a doctor working and living here in new york city, where it is the epicenter of this epidemic. and doctors and healthcare professionals are taking this extremely seriously. we have been sounding the alarm for a long time and i want to share with you this -- an open letter that thousands and thousands of doctors and other healthcare professionals signed. in this letter, there are three demands from the trump administration, one is that he must issue a shelter in place order for the entire nation. because, remember, this virus

does not comply with state borders. the second order is to immediately launch a national testing program for covid-19, where really we're behind the game. this is the only way that the -- the only way the shelter in place order can eventually and safely and quickly be lifted. and the third demand is that we must fully -- trump, the trump administration must fully operationalize the defense production act. we really need to scale up production of essential protective equipment for doctors and nurses, ventilators, and other -- and test kits. we're talking life and death. in new york city alone there has been a fivefold increase in deaths in one week. the data is very clear. and all these three demands are based solely on the science and the data. >> dr. roy, can you take me

through why new york is in the crisis it is in? is it because we live so close to each other? is it because -- i ride the subway, i was on the subway two weekends ago, i've been thinking every morning when i wake up, could i have become infected while there. why is new york seeing such a high infection rate and why are the cases seemingly affecting young people? >> yeah, so i think there is two explanations. one is we're simply testing a lot right here. we're testing a lot. it is the logical extension of more testing is you're going to get more positive results. the other explanation is that we're a densely populated region, right? new york city, and by the way, you're going to see this pattern other densely populated cities. you'll see this in chicago and boston, atlanta, and the new epicenter is really -- it is going to be new orleans. not that it is as densely populated, but they just had one of the largest festivals, mardi gras, which had people from all over the country, throughout the

world congregate. those are the two main explanations. otherwise, people that live in new york are really from all over the world, right? so it just happened to be -- remember new rochelle was the epicenter and now new york city and frankly all of new york state. i think those are the main explanations. >> how are you doing? i mean, we read about and we pray for and we're grateful to have people like you on the front line. but can you take me through a day in the life? >> so i get text messages every single day from my colleagues, my -- these are fellow medical students and residents now practicing physicians there, primary care doctors and icu doctors and, you know, infectious disease docs and all over the world and i'm getting real time information from all of them. while i'm going to share with you and the public what i do, i get stressed out like everyone else does. and i make it -- i make a conscious effort to practice

mindfulness every morning i meditate for 20 minutes, i do yoga once a week, i cook, i watch tv and when i do watch tv, when i don't watch this all the time, coronavirus stuff, i watch comedy, things that make me laugh. i think we all need to find things that relax us. we need that for our mental health and sanity. we're going to get through this. but together we have to act together in a concerted effort. >> ron klain, i'm looking for the 20 minutes between teaching my 8-year-old the violin, which is apparently part of the curriculum for second grade these days, but ron klain, i wonder if you can pick up on this white house order or directive for anyone who has stepped food in the new york city area to self-quarantine wherever they landed after the travels to new york city. what does that mean? did you contemplate a step like that in battling the pandemic.

ebola was different because of its -- so much more lethal, but were there ever any considerations to doing anything like that? >> fortunately we never got to that, we got on top of the things that the trump administration let get out of control. this is a point of dr. roy's three-part plan there, which i heartily endorse. which is that if we had been testing in january, we would have found cases, isolated chains of transmission and prevented the widespread things we're seeing. new york definitely is the epicenter, but this is not going to begin and end in new york. atlanta already reports its emergency rooms nearing capacity. detroit, largest health system now, every single icu bed in the hospital is at capacity. and so new york got this first, new york is maybe a week ahead of other major cities in the country, but in the white house, just taking a very piecemeal approach. yesterday, a travel order about new york. i don't know what it will be tomorrow or the day after that. there is no comprehensive strategy. no plan to attract this as a

nation. dr. roy said, we need the president to do something we did do during the ebola response, take control of the supply chain and to get the gowns and the masks and the face masks to where they need to be. turning this over to la laissez-faire, each state on its own is not working, it is not going to work, it is going to result in there being too few things where they need to be, extra things where they don't need to be, this is a time for organization and leadership, we're not seeing that from the white house. >> so, ron, i'm guessing you're not a fan of donald trump's turn the switch back up before easter so that our economy is rearing to go, i think is the language he used to describe the easter deadline for ending any sort of lockdown or shutdown for big swaths of the country. >> well, look, donald trump walked away from the decision to protect the country.

he left that in the hands of governors. he's not going to be the one who decides when the country reopens. before we can do our jobs, he has to do his. and i think that's the point of the position that dr. roy was laying o ining out. people can't go back to work until the tests are ubiquitous. people can't go back to work until there is protective gear for the workers who need it, healthcare workers and other workers who need it. people can't go back to work until there is enough healthcare capacity to treat people who get sick. >> jonathan, i want to ask you two pointed questions. if donald trump's goal is to be re-elected and he views economic strength and the vibrance as our economy as central to that, why in the look at the south korean model or the chinese model, where people were tested, people were asked to leave their family home if they were sick?

why not be more hawkish on some of the things that could help him achieve his political goals? >> it is a terrific question. he's obviously changed his stance now a few times. for weeks he was not taking this nearly seriously enough. we had a switch there a week or so ago, he billed himself a war time president, suggested this would be with us until july or august, that's when they suggested the guidelines for social distancing and closing of businesses and so on and suggested at the time that would be -- there would be other measures likely to follow. we have seen a change the last few days. it is born out of the president and some senior advisers around him believing that some of these measures are too harsh. and therefore they need to ease up at least in certain portions of the country. that's -- that's what we're heading towards, certain areas, big coastal cities, new yorks, los angeles, parts of the bay area, washington, seattle, washington state, will be still

isolated. new york at least for the time being with the strictest measures. and they want the rest of the country, portions of it, to start coming back. they made that calculation. no question, in fact, just a few minutes ago, the president tweeted and said that he believes that it is just the media who is calling for the country to remain shuttered because they're hoping to damage his re-election hopes. there you have it. he spelled it out for us. his attempts at the being re-elected is fueling a lot of these decisions right now, about politics, far more than public health. >> is there any reporting that suggests he has any connection or affinity for the city he called home for so many years? >> he has had a very up and down relationship with the major politicians and elected officials here. since leaving, taking a step back, since leaving new york to become president, moving to the white house, he's only been back a dozen times or so. this was someone who spent his

whole life in new york, considered a major home body, would fly back nearly every night because he loved being in manhattan so much, he turned his back on new york. he's now officially a resident of florida. he changed that earlier this year. which also is in part due to helping his electoral challenges. and also because of a mass protest and deep unpopularity in his home state. your introduction nailed it correctly, his relationship with cuomo has been hot and cold during this crisis. it caught the president's attention, how successful, how much credit cuomo is getting for his daily briefings. there have been a number of days where the white house task force briefing has delayed its start until cuomo finishes up. cuomo, according to our reporting, figured out as many do that flattery is the best way to get to this president. in fact, when he was deeply frustrated with trump a week or so ago, did a round of interviews praising him before trump had done anything, hoping that trump would see the

interview and then authorize assistance and that's exactly what happened. >> you wrote something remarkable before i came on the air. i want to read some of it and ask you talk to me about the rest of it. you write, what is it like here in new york, now home to more than 7% of the world's coronavirus cases? eerie, anxious, the schools are closed, so are most stores, subway ridership is down nearly 90%, doctors warn our hospitals are running out of ventilators and medical supplies, and on the brink of disaster. every day we learn that someone else we know is sick. tuesday i read that crystal cadet is fighting for her life. wednesday i found out that an older friend is like a second father to me has been sick for days. every day we worry, we wonder if our neighbors can pay the rent, we go stir crazy, we pray. we wait for help from the federal government we fear may

never come. talk about your walk and your walks across the bridge, and your trips to the 9/11 memorial. >> thanks, nicole. i've been doing a lot of working, not much else to do here in new york. one of the things that about what we're going through here in new york city is that many of us work in small apartments. it is not quite as easy to kind of shelter in place so to speak. i've been walking miles. sunday i walked 14 miles and going on a lot of runs. and the only thing keeping me sane, i see a lot of people out, for the most part, folks are being response, giving each other wide berth, and i think it is important because ultimately, you know, new york is suffering. that's also what makes us who we are. we like when they post to our neighbors, we like talking to the bodega owner on the corner. i think that's part of what

makes new york so special. so it is extremely painful to see a city on its knees like this. >> you also covered governor cuomo for a long time. give me straight talk about his evolution and rising to the moment in the view of most new yorkers. >> i think the governor for the most part has done a very good job. i think this is not -- we're seeing right now what the country is seeing the governor cuomo that a lot of new yorkers already know. i mean, i think there is a huge benefit to electing public servants who see their job not just as a politician, but, again, as public -- governor cuomo is somebody who has plenty of flaws, but understands how to move the levers of government. he knows how to set up hospitals. he knows how to talk to the president and get what he needs. he knows this president really well. so they had a relationship up and down as don mentioned for

sure, but for years. but cuomo is somebody who has spent his life in public service, and i think that gets lost here. i think there has been so much focus on outsiders, coming in to government, and there is not even that as well. but government is actually an art, and public service is important, and politicians aren't just there for the good times to kind of cheer us on this is an executive who is sending folks all over the world looking for ventilators, for his citizens, and i think he understands -- the level of more seriousness, that you would expect to see and hope to see from the white house. but don't. >> it is an incredible piece. everybody get online and read it. maura gay, thank you for spending time with us. thank you all. when we come back, the way new

york comes out of the corona crisis has implications for every american town and every american city and the world's economy. more on that coronavirus epicenter that new york has become. also ahead, congress has approved another stimulus package to jolt the economy back from a near lifeless state. is it enough? and with every aspect of american life impacted by the pandemic, we talk to our favorite reporters and friends about whether return to anything resembling normal is still possible. all those stories coming up. i'm leah and that's me long before

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that's why the virus communicated the way it did. our closeness makes us vulnerable. our closeness makes us vulnerable. that spatial closeness makes us vulnerable. but it's true that your greatest weakness is also your greatest strength. and our closeness is what makes us who we are. that is what new york is. our closeness is what makes us special. >> closeness makes us special. heart felt words there from the governor of new york about a city and a state that has time and time again faced unimaginable hardships. 9/11, hurricane sandy, and now we are the united states' epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak. joining us now from capitol

hill, representing the great state of new york, democratic senator kirsten gillibrand. thank you for joining us. how are you doing? >> i'm doing fine, thank you. you? >> i'm fine, but how is our state doing? and how is the great city of manhattan and all the boroughs and all of the -- as the governor said, all the things that make us great living on top of each other, riding to work on top of each other, bustling down the street, touching shoulders, how do we get back to that? >> so right now the country is in a healthcare crisis. and people need to stay home and change the way their life is right now. it is what they can do for their country. it is what they can do for our vulnerable populations, it is what they can do for their neighbor. we want new yorkers to stay home. we want them to only go out when they need to buy groceries or go to the pharmacy. we want them to not visit their grandparents, call their grandparents and check in on them. so it is going to change how we

live in the short-term. but in the long-term, because of the moves that the governor is making, because of the work that we are doing here in the senate, with senator schumer and my colleagues, we are going to recover, just going to take much longer than people think, and we need immediate relief for those most in crisis right now. >> i want to ask you about the legislation that sounds like it is close to being done, but not quite done. i want to ask you if you agree with donald trump's, president donald trump's goal of getting the economy turned back on by easter. >> i don't think it is realistic. and it is neither based on science nor our medical profession's assessments. the virus is going to be with us for several months, ahead of us. we're going to have to continue to invest in our healthcare system so that we have the supplies and the treatments and the ability to treat patients, those who need icu rooms have to be able to receive that, people

need beds, governors across the country are trying to increase the access that people have to the healthcare system. it is going to be longer than people expect. but we are resilient nation. we are a country that has endured wars, endured great depression, we are a country that understands that we have to help one another, and our resilience is our greatest strength. >> senator, help people understand how when state's governor, as governor cuomo did yesterday, we need 40,000 ventilators when the vice president and the white house say you'll get 4,000 to 10,000, he comes back and says you decide which 20 to 25,000 people will die, i think people don't understand why it takes so long for things to happen in washington. can you talk about the urgency that you and you mentioned senator schumer have brought to this bill, this process still under way because of new york state being the epicenter? >> yes, so one of the biggest

crises we have now is the hospitals need resources, and they need medical supplies. there is two ways we can do that. first of all, this piece of legislation puts $150 billion immediately into our hospital network systems. new york hospitals will benefit greatly from that. they're running in deficits, not taking in paying clients, paying patients. they're only dealing with emergencies. and dealing with covid-19. so there is two things we can do. one, send the money, which we have put into this legislation, two, we have the defense production act which allows the country to use all our manufacturing resources to manufacture the products that our health professionals need including masks, including gowns, including ventilators. we have laser printing all across new york state, our manufacturers are doing this willingly, figuring out how do they actually create the ventilators that our governor and governors around the country

need. the military has stockpiles of masks, ventilators and other resources. we have asked that stockpile to be released in full immediately. and this bill provides a billion dollars to get the supply chain for medical equipment up and running quickly. we also have put $16 billion into contingency emergency funds to replace those stockpiles. so next month, the month after, there will be other supplies there, ready and waiting when we need it. president trump has -- he slept on this issue. we knew this was coming in december. we knew that we should be investing in supplies and healthcare systems in december. he did nothing. he did absolutely nothing to get us prepared for this crisis. and so now it is left to good governors like governor cuomo, who is working overtime to make up for the lack of leadership from president trump. but i know that our hospitals are prepared to meet this need,

we have -- we have our state university of new york system donating dormitories for extra bed space. we have the fit, the fashion institute making masks and gowns right now for upstate new york hospitals that are out as of yesterday. so new yorkers are rising to the occasion, they are going to meet the need, and we will get through this. >> new yorkers don't scare easily. but they are -- we are on edge. what do you say to people who are somewhere between on edge and downright scared? >> so i think that there is a lot of messaging that is frightening new yorkers. they think that new york is the epicenter of the disease. the truth is this virus has been all across this country for over two months. and what is different about new york is we actually have the most testing of any other state in the country. so we're actually already identifying how many people have

covid-19, and how many people are dying from covid-19. that's because -- that's a function of testing, not just that we live in a smaller environment. second, most states don't have drive through testing yet. and most states don't have the resources to do hundreds of swab tests every day at each locality. new york has built that over the last two weeks and will continue to expand upon that. that's what every state will have to do. this is going to be a longer crisis than people think. but i would urge new yorkers not to be scared. the truth is, most people will have not severe symptoms, symptoms, most people will recover right away, and we are resilient. we have endured so much more as a nation and new yorkers, we are tough. the hard thing for us is going to be to stay home and do things the medical community asked us to do. not go to bars, not go to restaurants, not go to our workout class in the morning. so people will have to learn how to help their children, they'll be educated remotely, it will be

hard, people aren't used to home schooling. i've got my two kids, 11-year-old and 16-year-old with their computers set up in different parts of the house with lots of lighting so they can feel like they're not stuck in a basement. and we're going to work our way through the curriculum over the next few months. every parent has to do that in this country. and it takes real patience and endurance, but stay at home, wash your hands, clorox everything, and only go out when you need something. when you're sick, do not go out. stay home. either have a delivery service deliver your food and medicine, or ask a friend or family member to leave it at your door. >> i know you're also worried about the most vulnerable. you tweeted or had some remarks about domestic violence. can you talk about some of the most vulnerable people who we have the luxury of getting to home school our kids, but there are a lot of people with more dire circumstances. >> yes. so unfortunately because people are being asked to stay at home, some family's homes are not safe

places. so we have been urging the secretary of hhs to really fund all the programs nationwide to protect survivors of domestic violence, to make sure our shelters are working and funded. one of the things about this bill that is so important is we give a lot of money to not for profits. small businesses, not for profits have over $350 billion. that money can be given to all these entities to pay their employees. if they keep their employees on staff, they -- the loans we give them turn to grants. so it is money directly usable now that doesn't need to be paid back. it also has resources for hospitals and job training. when we need more medical workers, more community activists to help us get the care we need out into the community, the money is there to do that training. we also have funds for larger businesses, with much better oversight than mitch mcconnell ever dreamed. and this is useful because those employers have a lot of employees and we give them benefits if they keep those

employees in place. and keep paying their salaries. everyone who is unemployed and anyone who is furloughed have access for most workers to their full wages, for four months. that's the kind of emergency relief we are trying to get in to communities today. so they can get healthcare they need, the money for food and medicine, and the resources to keep their communities surviving. >> senator kirsten gillibrand from the great state of new york, thank you for spending time with us. stay healthy. >> of course, thank you. after the break, we'll talk more about who is getting help, what is holding up that relief bill the senator is talking about in the senate.

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new york city only gets $1.3 billion from this package. that is a drop in the bucket as to need. i spoke to our house delegation, congressional delegation, this morning. i said to them, this doesn't do it. i understand the senate theory and the republican theory. but we need the house to make adjustments. >> so the governor is not a fan of the largest stimulus package being negotiated on capitol hill right now to address the economic impact of coronavirus. here to talk about that, political strategist and msnbc political analyst steve sochmid,

eli stokeles and former congresswoman donna edwards. it would appear to me if you wanted the state where the epicenter of the virus is, you would make sure that the governor of saidte thought that your package did the trick. no? >> well, i mean, it would appear so. this is some of the danger of try trying to move forward a significant piece of legislation quickly. sometimes you can move things quickly, but not quite get it right and i do think it is important to get it right. but not have the kind of delay that could result, completely stalled. i think it is difficult question. the other hand i think as senator gillibrand pointed out, this is not going to be the last bite of the apple. this is a significant blow to the economy, to the workers, to our states. and so we know that congress is going to have to come back and it may mean that maybe some

tweaks can be made in the house, but then you have to send it back over to the senate. i don't foresee that. so hopefully whatever the fix is, it can be fixed in the senate, so that it can go clean over to the house and then move on to the president for his signature. i think the american people are really expecting that at a time when so many americans are really hurting and struggling. >> what is the current status of negotiations. there is another agreement in spirit. there are hang-ups around really, really important issues. >> i think the hang-up, there is still talk of perhaps a vote this afternoon or evening in the senate, then, you know, however long it takes in the house could be another day or two depending how much they want to go through it. but i think, you know, the hang-up at this point, some republican senators earlier in the day expressing concerns about the unemployment payouts, perhaps being too robust. and to the extent that they

would actually incentivize employers to lay people off or employers who want to be laid off because they would get more back from unemployment. democrats are up in arms about this saying that the republicans are upset that the terms of the unemployment are too generous and now you have bernie sanders recently tweeting that he'll hold the whole thing up if republicans don't drop this objection and he's concerned about the corporate bailout, not surprisingly. you're seeing different senators all with the power to really delay this and derail this vote expressing concerns. and it is happening really quickly. $2 trillion here and it is being passed because there is obviously an immediate and urgent demand for it. you see the markets reacting to it in real time. but obviously it is something that lawmakers want to do judiciously to make sure if the money is being spent, it is being spent in the way they see as best. >> steve schmidt. >> well, obviously we're in

extraordinary circumstances. this is a seismic event from a public health perspective, also from an economic perspective. we're talking about a range of government intervention that heretofore is just unimaginable. we're talking about trillions of dollars of money. certainly the governor is right. the epicenter of the crisis in the country right now that the amount of money is woefully inadequate for the need to the state of new york, for the city of new york. the congress is going to be dealing with this for the balance of the year. we will see levels of deficit that heretofore no one has ever imagined. nor the scale of government intervention in any of this. so we're in the early days of a new world, what is important is for this first tranche of money to make it through the congress, that our dysfunction in

washington, d.c. which so many corporate leaders, small business leaders would say is the singularly greatest disadvantage or competitive drain on the country that government can function at least a little bit. they can rise to the occasion and do what is necessary to instill some confidence into the markets and into the economy and a realry cri rly critical momen. that's what this is about right now. >> no one is going anywhere. the world health organization with a warning today to nations around the globe. do not let your guard down. an update on some of the headlines catching our attention overseas when we come back. when you shop with wayfair,

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some other headlines from around the world today, the office of prince charles says he's tested positive for the coronavirus. luckily he's just got mild symptoms. but for the heir to the british throne to have it makes everyone wonder, does this virus obviously not discriminate? it doesn't recognize royalty. his mother the queen is reportedly still in good health. the number of dead in spain is now tragically up to 3400. italy is the only country with more deaths in europe at this point. some good news, though, light at the end of the tunnel maybe, the province in china where the outbreak first emerged last year is starting to lift its lockdown. a major tourist attraction, the great wall of china, has partially reopened to visitors.

steve, there is something to be said about covering this story and not letting everyone mush together. there is a pandemic, that's why we talk to so many doctors and scientists. there is an economic calamity. and then there are the psychological blows. and kirsten gillibrand talked about some of the most vulnerable people, it is a very dangerous time for people in abusive marriages or children in danger. but the psychological blows for everybody are universally felt when the olympics are canceled, when you learn that tom hanks and rita wilson have contracted the disease, when all sports ends and when prince charles tests positive. >> there is no question about the magnitude of the event. this is the most significant event that has happened to the american people since at least world war ii. and unlike world war ii, american life didn't stop.

it was reordered. this has led to a cessation of theater, of music, of concerts, of sports, of economic activity really of any and all type. we have more than half the country under governmental orders stay in their homes. the economic situation is likely to be calamitous when you see estimates that show 20, as high as 30% unemployment rates, so this is a seismic event in american life. it will also see obviously when we look at the death totals rising, we're going to see calamitous numbers in terms of casualties from this pandemic. it affects the entire world. so the world as it was just weeks ago and the way it is today isn't just unimaginably different, it is going to be different profoundly so for a long time to come. you look at this country, the

reality is things will get harder, things will get tougher before they get better. that's why it is so important why people have made the criticism that it is essential that we have leaders with integrity speaking to the american people, that the american people are owed an honest and honest accounting for what is happening. not a fantasy. therefore, they can be asked once they understand that to understand what is required of them, what they're called to do. this is a moment, first moment in our lifetime where we are all called to action. we are all called to do something beyond our self-interest for the common go. then you understand the reality of this, what the requirements of action are, can you begin to talk about the inestability of victory over this that we will transcend this that this will one day end. we have seen from a leadership perspective a lot of lying, a lot of incredible fantastical

statements that in the end will drive confusion, will drive fear and have a chance to do real harm to people. >> donna edwards, i would like you to you to pick up that thread. donald trump was telling the american people that it was a hoax, donald trump still now intermittently downplays the seriousness of coronavirus. i think as recently as yesterday or the night before was talking about the flu. we still haven't seen that piece that seems to grasp what steve schmidt just articulated, the sacrifice for the common good. >> i think that one of the things that occurs to me is that we talk often on this show and others about speaking truth to power. and here is an instance where we really need the power to speak truth to us. and we depend on presidents and elected leaders to do that. and not to gloss over it or just to make us feel better in the

sense that we're not being told what the story really is. but to tell us the truth so that we could understand how we have to order our lives and each of us has a responsibility to do that. and it is actually been so disappointing to hear the president day after day take to the podium and have conflicting statements with the medical professionals, confusing statements, statements that confuse the american public about what it is that we should do. and even at this point it still feels that the government is letting us down, there is no really sord of coordinated comprehensive response to something that we could see around the world that's impacting us so greatly. i mean this pandemic has really exposed deep gaping holes in our public health system, in our communications systems. it is exposed holes in our infrastructure and all of the

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as president trump pushes for an accelerated end to stay-at-home orders across the

country, his predecessor is urging just the opposite. president obama tweeting this morning about the burdens that health care workers face in new york city. adding, quote, it is only going to get harder across the country. another reason to maintain social distancing policies at least until we have comprehensive testing in place. not just for our sake, but for theirs. eli stockles, president trump has been really restrained about weighing in on any current debate going on in our politics but this seemed like a carefully chosen time to weigh in and carefully chosen words that say turning the switch back on might not be a good idea. >> right. obviously a response to the president's comments in the last couple of days about wanting to reopen the economy by easter. and this is part of the problem. nothing gets the president more riled up than the insecurities about comparisons to president obama. he'll talk about media bias as we've seen him tweet already

within last hour. making everything sort of about himself. and the white house would also say, look, this president has delivered the message, he has told people to keep engaging in social distancing, he's called for unity and done all of these things, i think the issue is that he undercut the messages, saying this could extend into august and saying we're going to wrap this up in april. and the more you view it through the political lens, that affects people's health because people are listen to patch work of messages and that is something people are worried about. >> literally the most dangerous thing. eli, thank you. my thanks to steve schmidt and donna edwards , thank you for watching and rolling with us at this time. we are grateful to you. the white house briefing is scheduled to start in a few minutes. our coverage continues with chuck todd right after this quick commercial break. s quick commercial break

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