all nonessential activities >> you know, again, i think the other than hospitals, president has the power. i think if there was ever a time pharmacies, essential services. for him to be a hero in this, >> can you imagine -- let me ask you know, certainly this entire this, can you imagine at all us response has been bungled since being able to sort of geographically open up one part of the country and somehow -- or mid-january, but he has the opportunity to pull back out of is it too late because of our -- that and truly be a hero and frankly, our inability to test? tell us he's going to tell these companies they have to make this >> i think we would have to equipment and they have to make change our constitution to it available at a reasonable cost. cordon off certain states and the federal government can be the purchaser and the not others. distributor of these items to for example, if california is on places where they're needed. a two-week shutdown, and this is we shouldn't have my governor, just a hypothetical, and arizona whitmer, who is doing everything isn't doing the exact same she can do for us in michigan, thing, once california lifts competing against governor cuomo that two weeks, and someone in new york for equipment. we should have a coordinated travels from california to response from our federal arizona with covid-19, it starts government, putting the needs of all over again. the entire nation first rather if you don't do it everywhere, than the whims of corporations and how they want to supply it's not going to work. these items. >> dr. davidson, for your work that's why we're the united in the er and your expertise states, we all are free to tonight, thank you. >> thank you very much, have a travel to any state we want to. good night. >> dr. fair, i wanted to end >> appreciate it. we'll fit in a break. when we come back, a hopeful

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aid and support going out from medical students at the congress before. university of california san francisco do something about it. and for hospitals and medical they have been collecting centers, it is a tremendous medical supplies for hospitals amount of financial support for that need it. in three days they were able to first responders and other get and donate over 14,000 of people that need ppe and other these critical masks. let get to it. things to support the public. we're joined by one of those students. india perez, a third-year medical student at ucsf. in addition to that, hundreds of thousands of americans are thanks for joining us. facing economic turmoil right tell us about what you did here. now. this has direct support, from >> hi. cash payments to families to so a lot of us medical students have been pulled out of clinical improving unemployment insurance, raising the floor so rotation, so a dear friend of workers will see no decline in their paychecks, their unemployment checks will be at a mine hunter jackson had the idea level almost as if it was their to hit the streets and collect masks from the community and we salary. and the duration of the unemployment insurance has been were able to get, as you said, extended to four months. over 14,000 in three days. our small businesses, there are hundreds of billions of dollars >> and so then you passed them being put forward in grants, forgivable loans and other on. what does it tell you as someone programs to help keep our small who is entering this profession businesses through this crisis that we have these needs, that and even incentivize them to they come up and get worse during a crisis like this and that in this case, we need

retain employees. so this is a very good bill, enterprise students like yourselves to start help filling it's not perfect, but it will be the need. >> i know. tremendous help to states, this pandemic is honestly communities, spall businessmall and families all around our country. >> senator, that brings me to hurting the health care system, was not prepared for something something else i wanted to ask of this massive nature and it's you about. it's a little more big picture. you ran a campaign proposing a lot of ideas, some of which were unfortunate we have to turn to beyond, shall we say, the the commune ity but we're so day-to-day norm in washington. and you and i have had conversations before, on air and grateful people are generous with their donations and we hope out in the country, about we'll never have to be in this fundamental changes, for example, the criminal justice position again for sure. >> what do you feel as someone system, to how governments and entering the profession while america goes through this the federal government invests in people, schools versus prisons. you ran against someone, andrew pandemic? >> we are by nature entering yang, who was talking about medicine because we want to help things, saying we're not going save lives and we want to feel to just send out checks to americans. what are we to make of the fact prepared in order to do that. that for years on end, at the same time, we don't want to see our community facing washington, the town you work in, seems to speak with one something that is just so voice that there are certain things that can't be done, that horrific and something that we are off the table, that are too don't know much about.

expensive, then when we have a that the probably tlem crisis like this and i think a that's probably the scariest lot of people want the help, no part. all of my classmates would one's saying don't pass a big, probably agree when i say we're expensive bill, but we suddenly ready to get out there to the clinic and help out in any way have trillions of dollars to deal with things on an emergency basis. what does that make you think of possible. >> ny us one of the schools and do s silver lining that's had students graduate or hopeful sign that things that early and go on ahead. we were told are impossible are what's happening in your medical school community and what are suddenly possible and fundable? i'll give you as much time as you need to give us your your peers saying? >> i'm a third-year medical thoughts. >> look, it's often during crisis that you see americans student and we have not been in expand their moral imagination. clinical settings for the past few weeks, and it's unclear what when four girls die in a bombing that -- what our role will look in birmingham, it exposed people like in the clinical settings. to the crisis there was in we don't have as much skills as segregation. when women threw themselves out a fourth-year medical student. fourth-year medical students are out there and there has not been windows at the shirtwaist factory fire, dying on the discussions about early graduation and i think that ny pavement below, it expanded the us considering that because the moral imagination of the country pandemic is a lot bigger over that we needed to change the laws involving workers. now this crisis has hopefully there, but this is, you know, begun to inspire the moral definitely not something that we imagination in our country, to can predict and not sure what

the future is like, but we're have more empathy for those hoping that we can continue in americans who don't have health the way that we have been. care, who don't have paid family leave, because in the time of >> well, as i mentioned when we pandemics, and again, this is a real crisis, these kind of were getting ready to talk to you in the broadcast, there is pandemics, and the vulnerability so much here that the obviously that we particularly have in our country, because we don't have stra tra j universal health care, because so tragic and sad and scary for we don't have paid family leave. people in the world. in fact, it's already a fact you stepped up and did something that the flu every year is in the world you didn't have to do which makes you great for the profession you're entering. spread and thousands of people thank you for doing it and die because 80 plus percent of telling us about it and good our food service workers in luck to you india perez. >> thank you so much. >> absolutely. america go to work sick with the we'll be back with one more thing. flu, handling our food, because they don't have paid family leave. so this puts a bright line underneath our vulnerabilities. and truly it's a testimony to the idea that justice -- a threat to justice anywhere in our country is a threat to hey you, yeah you. justice everywhere in our i opened a sofi money account country. >> i wrote it down when you said and it was the first time that i realized it, a crisis can expand our i could be earning interest back on my money. moral imagination. that's really something to think about, because we're seeing both i just discovered sofi, and i'm an investor with a diversified portfolio.

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congress shortly. what more do you have in mind? >> so a couple of things. number one, we'll have to get even more creative. hospitals are not only filled to the brim, ari, but there is not enough protective equipment. and why are we all stressing about that? if i go in and see someone and do not have the right protective equipment then i'm going to be much more likely not only to infect myself but the next person i see who may not have coronavirus or covid-19. so protective equipment. and then at some point, in order to help the country heal and stabilize, we're going to need much more of a public health i just wanted to do infrastructure. if anything, this has exposed something good for people, and it turned into something really some of the cracks in what we good. so unexpected. didn't have before. >> let me jump in and ask you on >> d.j. there speaking with "the that very point, stitching together something that senator tonight show's" jimmy fallon how he started live streaming music cory booker had just said at the top of this broadcast. is it -- and again, i ask this dj-ing to help people come together and that's how as a factual question, not something called club quarantine gunning for any particular was born. this gathering caught on drawing

outcome, but do you agree or do you share the concern that he over 100,000 people at a time raised that the united states and big names like drake, oprah, kamala harris, joe biden and would be better equipped to deal bernie sanders dropping into his with pandemics if it had visual spinning. it's a safe virtual gathering universal health care coverage access and testing to the that has now tonight led to nation? is that something that is medically true or do you see this. michelle obama and d nice that as a debate? >> no, i don't see it as a debate. in fact there's been studies, teaming up to talk. academic studies that show that ♪ ♪ actually having that access can >> we're texting eligible help save lives. so there's no question in my voters, this is for you. our goal is to get 50,000 new mind that you still have registered voters. americans across this country, despite a lot of flexibility come on. that our leaders have established all across the federal government, you still ♪ ♪ have americans who are worried that if they go to the hospital, >> yes, you're looking at how they're not going to be able to pay for these bills. michelle obama herself got and as they're losing their involved. she toted tonight's program jobs, that's a legitimate teaming up with him as a quote concern. so he is correct, and how we get voter registration live set. it's taking the music club to universal access, that's a people have been joining in rich debate. we can have that debate, watching him spin and take this

president obama took one path, energy to get more people vice president biden can take civically involved. we're sharing this because it is another. but it is clear that we need to another reminder that while this do more for this country through access to halfback. pandemic is hurting many people and obviously changing how we -- health care. all live, there are also ways to >> really interesting and make sure we do keep living and support each other and keep striking to hear you say that. before you go, we've been connecting within these obvious safety guidelines. if you want to connect with us hearing from governors striking online, i can tell you, you can a different note than the always find me on facebook, president. any president is within their rights to discuss potential policy, that he has policy ideas twitter or instagram. if you have ideas for guests or for at some point shifting back programming you want us to consider, email me if you want to call that the old fashioned to a higher workload, higher involvement in the economy. what was striking from this way. that does it for us. you can find me again tomorrow governor and others is the view at 6:00 p.m. eastern on "the that there is a fine line between saying that and giving out information that may lead beat" or again tomorrow at 7:00 p.m. eastern. now "all in" with chris hayes is people to take risks and up next. underestimate what they need to do right now, that the notion of just going back to your house of worship by easter, for example, good evening from new york. is not actually good scientific i'm chris hayes. here is the facts. advice. take a listen and give us your right now there is not a single view on the other side of outbreak of the coronavirus in governor murphy.

take a listen. the united states, and there >> i think the order of business certainly is no single is pretty clear to us, that we coordinated federal response. these are the dual challenges break the back of the the u.s. faces as it continues to out pace any other nation in coronavirus first, and then we begin to open up the economy and its rate of growth of new cases. at this rate, we're due to past society, that if we somehow italy and china in total cases transpose those steps and we in the next few days. begin to prematurely open things primarily this is because we were single handedly alone up, i believe we only throw gasoline on the fire of the amongst other nations of virus and that we pay a far bigger price down the road. >> medically, in terms of the precautions that people are taking, do you agree with what he said? >> yes. and here's why. we don't have a vaccine yet. we don't have a way to kind of prevent healthy people from getting this virus. so just from a strict medical perspective, if you have, lets say, ari, if we're lucky, 70% of our population does not get sick, and in two to three weeks they come out and we have no

vaccine, no treatment, and they become susceptible to this virus, and we have another kind of second wave, we are in very big trouble. and it prolongs not only economic recovery. it will prolong the ability of our entire health system to actually be able to function. because remember, ari, people are still having babies, having heart attacks, have cancer diagnoses. their doctors' offices are closed and the ers are full. we have to find a better way to get through this. >> dr. patel, i really appreciate your time and your sober medical counsel which i think we can all follow. thank you very much. we have a lot more on tonight's special coverage this hour, including how do you solve a health care crisis when the president keeps talking about the economic angles. also congress working out this deal, as mentioned, as i was discussing with senator booker, $2 trillion. where is that going, and what about new checks that could be coming to your home? stay with us.

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they came in, experts, and they said, we're going to have to close the country. i said, we've never closed the country before, this never happened before. you're saying -- i said, are you -- are you serious about this? don't forget, the doctors, if it were up to the doctors, they would say let's keep it shut down, let's shut down the entire world. >> president trump suggesting that many people are responsible for basically the health, wellbeing and economic security of the nation are at war with those who want these precautions. "the washington post," donald trump increasing minimizing and pushing aside top public health experts in his own administration. then there's lindsey graham telling "the post" that dr. fauci is at odds with the president, quote, he believes we should be doing more, not less.

the president, charting his own course, saying as recently as yesterday that, as we've reported, all of this should be done by easter. i want to bring in a couple of experts on this, dr. larry jamison, dean of the -- i should say school of medicine at the university of pennsylvania and "the new york times"' michelle goldberg. doctor, your view. >> ari, thanks for having me. i'm speaking on behalf of leaders at major institutions, the mayo clinic, nyu which is at the heart of this outbreak right now, johns hopkins hospital, university of california san francisco, baylor, mass general in boston. we lead major health systems and research institutions and we think it's really important that our voice is heard, because we are planning for these events, we know there's a tsunami coming. we've modelled when it's going to hit or shores. and we're getting ready by canceling elective surgeries, canceling outpatient

appointments, changing our operating rooms into icus. and our model predicts at least in philadelphia that it will probably hit our shores in mid-may, may the 10th. we should have a thousand patients on ventilators across the penn medicine health system. hopefully we can -- >> let me slow you down for a second because if i'm having trouble following, others may as well. when you say may 10th is your model for this bad stuff happening, what do you mean? may 10th is the worst day or the peak that you would hit in philadelphia? >> we have a model that allows us to predict based on the doubling rate when the peak will occur. and with a three-day doubling rate, which it currently is, we think it will hit on about may the 10th. now, with physical separation, we can lower that peak so that

we don't have so many patients come in all at once. that way we can save lives. >> well, you know, i'm not an expert on easter, that's not how i was raised, but may 10th sounds like a month after easter. let's keep that in mind, and then hear from the president on his timeline. this was the remarks that drew so much expert condemnation yesterday. >> i would love to have it open by easter. okay? >> oh, wow. okay. >> i would love to have it open by easter. i will tell you that right now. i would love to have that -- it's such an important day for other reasons but i'll make it an important day for this too. so i think easter sunday and you'll have packed churches all over our country. i think it would be a beautiful time. >> reporter: who suggested easter? >> i just thought it was a beautiful time, a beautiful time, a beautiful timeline. >> doctor, how does that square with your scientific timeline?

>> well, obviously it's not realistic. people who are being infected today, and there are a lot of them, are going to go through their infections through the next 20 or 25 days. people who are infected next week will need to be in isolation for another 14 days at least. so you play this out, and, you know, the peak is more like the middle of may and hopefully we'll see it start to go down after that. the thing i want to emphasize is that we really need to lower this peak so we don't have so many people arriving in the health system all at once. and we also need to protect the health care workers who are taking care of those patients. >> sure. so hang with me, doctor, i want to bring in michelle goldberg here. you know, what i think about in covering this every day, observing it, reporting on these press conferences, listening to the doctor and other experts, michelle, is, nobody likes bad

news, by definition. but it seems like what's worse than bad news is lies that endanger your health. i wonder, your response and your analysis of this. go ahead. >> i think one thing we know about this president is that he doesn't think very far in the future, and that he says what he thinks people want to hear in the moment, which is one thing when you're talking about his imaginary or half-imaginary border wall. it's another thing when you have people right now, you have a political division in how people are responding to this virus and how people believe they need to protect themselves from this virus, right? new york is locked down, california is locked down, many other states are locked down. but not all states are locked down. and not all people are obeying these lockdown orders. and it matters when you have a president who basically says we've turned a corner, there's light at the end of the tunnel.

right as we're -- every day so far has been worse than the last. you see new york is going to run out of i believe ventilators or icu beds in two days. atlanta is at the breaking point. you see all of these health systems already in crisis, and the wave hasn't really crashed on us yet. and, you know, i understand the president -- the more his approval ratings go up as he kind of feeds these lies and misinformation to the american people, the more he's going to do it. and a lot of people like to hear it, this is all going to be over in a couple of weeks, so it's not surprising that he's getting positive feedback, but it's going to be catastrophic if it ends up disincentivizing a lot of people particularly in red states from taking the precautions they could take to make sure their states aren't in two weeks where new york is right now. >> doctor? >> well, i want to see us buy

some time so that we can protect the people on the front lines like the health care workers. they really can't have this surge and do their jobs optimally. if we can each take responsibility and protect our health care workers and support them the same as we do our military. everyone has a role to play here. i would recommend that every person in this country make the assumption that anyone they come into contact with could have the coronavirus, and they should interact with as few people as possible, isolate as much as is reasonable, and take all of the precautions that we've been advocating so we can lower this peak and protect our front line health workers and save lives. >> well, you know, doctor, i don't know if you ever listen to mc lite, she used to say act like you know. it sounds like you're saying act

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welcome back to our special coverage. after days of negotiating, the senate was on track to pass this $2 trillion bill, sending emergency aid to workers around the nation, businesses as well as hospitals absolutely slammed by this virus. but republican senators lindsey graham, tim scott, rick scott, and ben sasse object to some language in this big bill. >> this bill pays you more not to work than if you were working. >> we cannot be paying people more money on unemployment than what they would get paid in their job. >> the american people do not think you should get paid more money to not work than to work.

>> now, moments ago secretary mnuchin telling reporters he's confident the senate will still pass the bill later tonight and checks will go out in three weeks. the deal, tentatively announced this morning, sends direct payments to many taxpayers. if you're watching this, you may be getting a check. it also creates a $500 billion loan program to support businesses hammered by the virus and the ensuing economic problems. and increased unemployment payments. it also creates a marshall plan to fund hospitals and support health care workers. over $2 trillion makes this the largest spending package in american history. for more, we turn to gene sperling, the former director of the national economic council under presidents obama and clinton and knows his way around exactly the type of tough trade-offs and emergency measures in play. good evening, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. it's my first one from home. >> we're happy to see you staying home. i tell folks the only time when i'm not at home is when i'm on air reporting the news.

so gene, there's a lot in here. big picture, beyond even some of the last-minute fighting, this does appear to still be on the way to passage. what do people need to know and understand, a, about what it does, and then b, who watching may be getting a check? >> so i think unfortunately what the senators are fighting about is the single most important thing there, because first of all, my hats off to democrats who dramatically improved this. remember where we started, we started with donald trump calling for a payroll tax cut for all companies that would have done very little and a big industry bailout. now what you have is, you have families going to get $1,200 checks per adult and $500 per child. that could be three, $4,000, very much needed. but what's really important is that for the families who are just going to get crushed by

unemployment because the economy is shutting down on purpose for many reasons, what chuck schumer and the democrats did was get a dramatic increase in unemployment insurance. and what they did is say, we're going to bump up every check by $600, which by the way happens to be what a minimum wage of $15 an hour as most of us support, times 40 hours, would be. that means for at least half of americans, they're going to get 100% wage replacement. what's shocking is that right now, lindsey graham and them, their big worry is that some people might get slightly more, and so therefore they think this is charitable, as if, like brave nurses who are risking their lives are going to quit their jobs in the middle of a depression to get clia couple o dollars more. i want to let people know, if you're a gig worker, you may have to show that you stopped

working altogether. but this is a great victory. unfortunately, this is going to depend a lot on how well the administration executes a good idea. this will give a small business a loan and say that they can get the loan forgiven if they're keeping all their workers on the payroll. so if it works well, it could really help. but this is going to rely on the leadership and execution of the administration. if it's as incompetent as the coronavirus response, then it won't be a help to people. >> will it help people in the

northeast? >> it will be one of the most dramatic things we've ever seen. if we have a recession, if you work in a restaurant, might lose some hours, you might have to go to another place to get work. here you're having the entire industry shut down. so many hard working waiters, waitresses, people cleaning dishes, people managing, who have now lost their jobs at no fault of their own and their entire industry is shut down. i think when we see these numbers, they are going to be shocking. i hate to say it but it's going to feel like a depression level unemployment. and that's why the idea that we would be worried that we were going to hurt work incentives, when you're designing a long term policy, of course you try to encourage people to have more incentive to work. but this is not the problem here. americans have an amazing work ethic, we have 5.3, 5.6 unemployment. these are people who could lose everything at no fault of their own so our focus should be on

getting them as much relief as possible, the people who are losing their jobs. i think, ari, it's going to be just shocking, it may not show up in the unemployment numbers that you see at the beginning of april, but i promise you, at the beginning of may, the degree of unemployment that will come up that happened in april will be as shocking as we've seen in our lifetime and i think higher than we saw in the great recession. >> you just said it, shockingly high numbers arriving in may, and stitching that humanitarian and economic impact together with what we heard earlier in the broadcast from a doctor whose model shows may being the time where if things aren't slowed, it could be the worst time for hospitals, we have to brace ourselves for a tough period, one we can get through, but one we would better get through with facts. gene sperling, thank you as always, sir. >> my pleasure, ari, thanks for having me. >> appreciate it. let me tell you a little bit about what we're going to do in the rest of our hour. we've covered a lot of things including some darker and sad

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the feed for equipment, for ppe, is just so, so great. it is literally in the millions. >> desperate need for more personal protective equipment for our health care workers. >> right now and for the foreseeable future, we have a supply. we do not yet have secured a supply for three weeks from now, four weeks from now, five weeks from now. >> just let it sink in, what we're hearing from leaders on the front lines. we are the richest country in the world, the united states. and we don't have equipment, sometimes equipment that costs less than a buck per mask, to keep the people taking the

biggest risks out there, our nurses and doctors, to keep the rest of us safe. consider this reporting from "the washington post." the mad scramble for masks, gowns, and ventilators now pitting states against each other and, yes, driving up prices. the market for medical supplies descending into, quote, chaos. states and hospitals describing the extraordinary efforts to obtain equipment. dr. rod davis, executive director of the committee to protect medicare. good evening. we have been letting the experts lead here so i will ask for the expert answer to the question, what is wrong with the way we do health care and the way the government supports supplies that we're even in this situation, given how much money we have as a nation? >> yeah, it's incredible that we don't have stockpiles of these items as we have stockpiles of other items in the case of war. however we have had a president who has said he has enacted the defense protection act, yet now

we hear conflicting reports on whether or not that has been truly operationalized. i represent a committee of doctors in 40 states across the country and we've put a letter out now with three parts to it that over 3,500 people have signed, health care workers. one piece of that is to fully operationalize the defense production act so we can get ventilators for our patients but also personal protective equipment for our health care workers on the front lines. there isn't enough. even in places that haven't seen quite adequate the number of cases as new york, we're running on short supply, we're using a mask for an entire shift in my hospital. that's the case in most everywhere that i hear of, that they're using masks and using these as ways they weren't intended to be used. >> right. and it's interesting, against the backdrop of a presidential campaign, which of course is still ongoing, there was a lot of talk about capitalism and democratic socialism. and i think it's fair to say capitalism is good at certain things. it's certainly not good at

distributing these supplies to the people who need it as mentioned, the people literally risking their lives like health care workers. take a look at this reporting from bloomberg, an online auction out of texas that notes that while protective gear shortages have health care workers at risk, more than 750,000 masks went up online for auio pop. 16 masks went for 170 bucks that rmal w