hi everyone. it is 4:00 in the east. an unwelcome new designation for the united states, we're number one for known coronavirus cases surpassing china at 91,000 and rising. the majority of those cases remain in new york with more than 45,000 statewide. most of them in the new york city area. but hot spots are emerging in new orleans, chicago and detroit to name just a few. shouldering the burden of the rapidly increasing spread, the first responders and health care workers on the frontlines. boston globe reports that more

than 160 hospital workers have tested positive for coronavirus along with more than 350 police officers and more than 200 new york firefighters. governors in some of the most heavily impacted areas are filling the leadership vacuum created by donald trump's uneven response to the crisis and his ongoing refusal to use the defense production act to surge resources to increasingly overwhelm hospitals. and instead of pledging limitless support to first responders and the hospital impact impacted, the president and his task force members are taking a surprising approach, actually questioning the anecdotes and stories of panic and shortages emerging from new york hospitals. >> we are meeting with our colleagues in new york that there are still icu beds remaining and there are still significant over 1,000 or 2,000 ventilators that have not been utilized yet. to say that to the american

people, to make the implication that when they need a hospital bed it won't be there, or when they need that ventilator, it won't be there, we don't have an evidence of that right now. >> those remarks don't square though with another new report. this one from today's "washington post." on acute shortages of masks, test kids and ventilators nationwide. and as andrew cuomo has taken to issuing daily public appeals for the 30,000 to 40,000 ventilator he says his state needs, president trump took to his favorite tv network last night to cast more doubt on those numbers. >> i have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they where going to be. i don't believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. you know, you go into major hospitals sometimes they will have two ventilators and now all of a sudden they are saying can

we ordinary 30,000 ventilators. >> cuomo responding that unlike the president who relies on his gut, he is relying on data. >> all the projections say you could have an apex needing 140,000 beds and 40,000 ventilators. those are numbers. not i feel, i think, i believe. i want to believe. make the decisions bates eds ba dare take and science and that is what data and science says. i hope that we don't need 30,000 ventilators. i hope that some naturaltake ans what data and science says. i hope that we don't need 30,000 ventilators. i hope that some natural weather change kills the virus globally.

but that is my home. t hope. the numbers say you may need 30,000.me. hope. the numbers say you may need 30,000. >> we should note we're watching the white house where any minute the president is expected to sign the coronavirus relief bill just passed in the house, a measure that the millions of americans laid off over the coronavirus shutdowns have been desperately waiting for. but first, the ominous headlines on the spread of the virus across the u.s. with some of our reporters and friends, arcualas parker and dr. zeke. first put this issue to rest, the numbers about the recent pir wrat topir -- respirators knee needed, those are numbers based on scientific modeling, right? >> well, absolutely. the idea that major hospital in new york would have two

ventilators as the president claimed is a joke. credulity. it is just wrong. and, you know, the 30,000 number is not for a particular hospital, it is for new york state hospitals across the whole state. and even in new york city, i 3450e mean, you've got 9 million people in new york city and, you know, they are by all reports my talking to front line this morning, they are literally overwhelmed. the "new york times" had this horrific picture from elmhurst hospital. i mean, you've got real demand here and this -- the 30,000 is based on a projection at the maximum. we're not at the maximum yet, still going up day to day. so it is not an unreasonable to say i won't ask for you what i need today, i'll ask you for what i think i'll need when it is the worst that it is going to be. and the president doesn't steam to be engaging in that.

>> doctor, bill de blasio said today thatsteam to be engaging in that. >> doctor, bill de blasio said today that half the city could become infected. what does that look like? >> mayhem,monium and complete break down. health system. first thing to recognize, that probably means 50,000 new yorkers die from this virus. and 5% need hospital and intensive hospital care, 5% of 5 million is 250,000 people. there aren't enough beds in new york city for that. you know, just point blank simple, done. that is a quarter -- more than a quarter of all the beds in the entire country. so, you know, i don't know what you do with that. >> doctor, you made policy for

the obama administration. you can just explain how a policy process can result in the president not invoking the defense production act to make heaven forbid enough ventilators for that scenario to play out that mayor de blasio cautioned of today? >> well, i'm not sure what the thinking is in the white house. and i don't think that it is unreasonable for the president to say listen, gm can run its factory better than we can as the federal government run it and we can negotiate with them about converting a production -- the production lines off of are cars on to ventilators. and you saw gm said yes, they gave a billion dollars for 88 thourk ,000 for ventilators. i don't know, but i would think that ventilator is probably $5,000 or $6,000. but they have to pay to retool that production line and i assume that is where the expense really comes in. and 23 if we're interested in

it, maybe the government gives them the money to retool the proen production line.23 if we', maybe the government gives them the money to retool the proen production line.3 if we're inte maybe the government gives them the money to retool the proen production line. if we're inter maybe the government gives them the money to retool the proen production line. similarly you'd want to do it with masks and goingles. i think threatening to take over is probably good negotiating. and so i don't think that is where the rub is. i think that the rub is that we don't have an organized assessment of we'll get 80,000 from gm, we'll get 100,000 from tesla and whoever the other producers are. i haven't seen -- we have a master plan here and we're executing on the master plan. i know that when we were in the white house and we had to distribute money for -- as part of the -- the rebuilding act, the 00er are a ac er

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you do this, this is what we don't like, it is big government and it opens you up to charges of socialism. and then there was a lot of pressure publicly. we were seeing doctors and nurses and medical workers on the frontlines posting anywhere they could to try to get the government's attention and saying we don't have the ventilators we need. you also had governor cuomo saying that we don't need the protective equipment that we need. photos of the nurses wearing trash bags and trying to treat patients. so he was kind of getting pressure from both sides and is it looks like today because gm was not doing what he wanted, he has finally decided to implement that defense production act. >> and it has gone all the haum marks of a trumpian vacillation between trying to bully companies, getting himself political cover by saying that cuomo's number is exaggerated. and then under another day of

withering bipartisan criticism about shortages of supplies as this pandemic starts its spread across the country, he gives in. any reporting on who was influential in this ultimate decision? >> not specifically in this decision. but you are right about these tension points. one thing that we've reported on is that the president again, there is this uneasy tug of war between him, the science and public experts in his administration and then the economists in his administration, the mnuchins and kudlows and the chamber of commerce types on the outside who he is hearing from. and you have people saying that you absolutely have to basically shut down the country to flatten the curve. and this is thought quite shuttishu --

not quite shutting down the quun, but it is in the interests of public health. but people say public health includes men 24tal health if th lose their 401(k) and a restaurant has to shut down. at the end of the i dfof the da president is a business guy and i think one of husband frustrations with gm, he said publicly and it has been reported that he felt the price tag was too high, that they were acting too slow. and this finally he felt forced to do to push him into action. >> ashley parker, a lot has been made about the different tone and substance between donald trump and an than athony fauci. fau kci called the easter openi

as pir vapirationa aspirational. are they co-existing with their roles being different? >> i would say they are co-existing uneasily. anthony fauci still has a the l lot of clout in the white house. there is something of an understanding that whether he likes them or not,the lot of clout in the white house. there is something of an understanding that whether he likes them or nohe lot of clout in the white house. there is something of an understanding that whether he likes them or noe lot of clout in the white house. there is something of an understanding that whether he likes them or no lot of clout in the white house. there is something of an understanding that whether he likes them or not, he needs them and he can't jetson them because they say something that he doesn't like. but there is an easy push and pull between them. and fauci is gently contradicting the president almost every day from the president. but the way fauci tries to couch it, look, i'm a scientist, i come to this from a scientific spac standpoint and the president comes from a place of hope.

so fauci tries to put the most positive spin on it which if the president can give the american people a bit of hope that we might be get the country one open or he with migwe might fin that is not the most more onhor thing. but there has to be science. that is where they stand right now. >> and doctor, what concerns do you have about donald trump's now publicly announced plan to start reopening the country's economy county by county? i've read every news story and it doesn't seem that this is a pandemic that sees county lines. >> no, it is not a paepd that had heres to county lines. but i think that the idea that there are some parts of the country that have low levels of infection and you can to testing and contact tracing and contain

the virus is probably not unreasonable. there may be places, you know, people have said nebraska where you can actually do this. but remember, that requires a earn is certain kind of infrastructure. maybe we have a low count in nebraska because we haven't tested. so if you are going to actually act on the green counties with a low level, you need to have a kind of public health infrastructure in place. that is one reason that i've called for a nationwide shelter in place, quarantine, whatever you want to call it, and then we can begin opening up and maybe there are places, the equivalent of k450i is chichina, they shut but they kept other areas open. so let me make one other point.

i was reading a federal reserve analysis of the flu pandemic comparing those cities that put economics first and let's get everyone back to work and not do the public health stuff with other cities that actually did the public health interventions and tried to reduce the spread of the virus. and they looked at what was the subsequent economic growth and it turned out the cities that did the public health measures actually after the1918 flu pandemic did better with economic growth. so if your primary growth is that we have to get the economy moving, the way to do that is to do the public health measures first and then to slowly release them, that is actually going to lead to longer -- sharper up swing in the economy after the virus has gotten under randomized. that is at least what the data from 1918 show. and i think it might be p persuasive that the president

might listen to as to why we need the public health measures first and not go for crazy easter. that makes no sense from any perspective. >> it is so interesting to achieve his goals, taking care of the health crisis first would certainly seem to be the straightest distance between those two points. ashley, doctor, thank you both for spending some time with us. thanks for garg with bearing wi through our technical glitches. and we should mention that dr. emanuel will be here monday night for a primetime special life in the time coronavirus, a look at the science that should be guiding us all. when we come back, we speak to members of congress in new york where the hospitals are bearing the brunt of the region's response and paying with their own lives.

and also ahead, the trump administration has to navigate donald trump's free wheeling and confusing public proceed announcemen pronouncements. but they are also hampered by an unpre press deb unprecedented number of vie can cities. and how donald trump is attacking governors, all that coming up. (soft music)

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fema and the army corps and national guard have been working to put up these emergency hospitals. so far we have planned for four. again, with all of these beds we still have a shortfall. so we're going to go to plan b. what is plan b? we're going to seek to build another four temporary emergency hospitals. which would get us another 4,000 beds. >> new york governor andrew cuomo trying to help the increasingly dire situation new york city is facing. it seems that there are only more coronavirus patients on the way. the problem spelled out in heartbreaking term in the a "new york times" piece and how it is

frighteningly close already to reaching its breaking point. quote, i have so many different fears. a doctor said on wednesday. if the patient volume increases at the current pace, she is concerned that the emergency room will be out of space by next week. if many patients need life support, she worries about having to choose between them. governor cuomo said that more than 44,000 confirmed positive cases and the last 24 hours saw a spike in the number of deaths. 519 up from 385 yesterday. among those tragic deaths, a nurse manager from a manhattan hospital whose death's co-workers are blaming on a lack of protective gear. a nurse said that the hospital offered nurtss one el pa nursesc

gown for an entire shift. the nurse said that mr. kelly had not used protective equipment. and joining us now, congressman greg meeks and max rose, both democrats representing the great state of new york. congressman rose, i've been following all of your up 2k5i9s on twitter. i know you are both concerned about first responderesponders. tell me what more needs to be done. >> so let's group first responders as well as our nurses and doctors. these are the frontline soldiers in this new war that we're fighting. it is not a war against an army, but a war against a virus. and we need just as we saw in world war ii, we need an all hands on deck approach, a mobilization that includes all segments of society and we have got to do it today.

we have people dying each and every day at our communities in new york city. and we cannot allow for a slow evolution, we can't allow for the federal government to slowly wake up to this crisis. this involves the state, the city as well as the president. what we see governor cuomo doing every day, we need that plan nationwide because this crisis will move on from new york city and it will move on somewhere else. and when that does happen, we can shift those resources there, but right now, we need the eyes of the nation and the resources of the nation on new york city. >> congressman meeks, your thoughts. new york has been through so much. we've been through the 9/11 attacks, our hospital workers don't scare easily, our first responders don't scare. but this is a virus taking a toll on our police department, our fire department and now based on these two new reports ourline health care

workers. >> yeah, this is completely different. i was here did youring 9/11 and that was another catastrophic e679. but it was an event that we urged people to get back to continue to the way 6 life. th this isave to make sure that not only look at where we are right now, but where we will be in a week or two weeks. so we need the president to step up and get the manufactu r manufacturers to step up. and when you look at those in the front, the doctors, nurses, ems workers, they are all in jeopardy and they are heros put being their lives on the line and we are the richest country

in the world, we should make sure they have every piece much equipment that they need and we need to get it now. >> congressman rose, this was written when you about you in politico, he turned his home in new york city to a one man war room amid the epicenter.about y politico, he turned his home in new york city to a one man war room amid the epicenter. he helped secure the first testing shooit in his district and pushed the white house and state officials to speed up procedural steps such as approval from the food and drug administration. we're building the plane as we fly it rose said. why are we doing all this mid pandemic, why wasn't more of this done ahead of time in. >> well, we don't have the luxury right now to look in our

rear true mirror. not when we have people dying every single day, not when we have nurses and doctors on the front lines. so what needs to happen going forward, what needs to happen is we have to get that naval hospital into new york harbor, we have to open up the v.a. to nonveteran patients and we have to assert all of the president's power over the production of ventilators and ppe because right now, there is a global war going on for there's suppse sup. they are just thinking who can pay the most. it is only the president that can step in and use public funds to build new factories, use his authority to mandate what these private manufacturers do. i'm heartened to hear that he is now deciding to do it, but we have to move quickly because in new york city, there is a fierce sense of urgency. everything has to be done.

we cannot express that enough. it is easy to stand up here and say this. what is hard is what our nurses and our doctors and our first responders are going through right now. they are waging war, they are soldiers and we have to be there for them just like we're there for soldiers deployed overseas. >> congressman meeks, i know that both of you went to new york i believe to vote on the relief act, the bill that the president is signing today. we'll have that footage in a couple minutes. did it do enough for new york? i know the governor doesn't think so. >> question newe need to do mor did our job be. we got i think with over $50 million -- 50 billion into the state. forb put it into the hands of the average worker.

more money for the hospitals, for the workers and ppe. but when you look at the money that should be going to the states that they can close their budgets because they are spending so much more money and this emergency, that they need more than the $5 billion that they goot ot out of it. so we need more money. there needs to be more resources because if you look at the proportion taking place right now, even new york city is where the -- we are the epicenter of this work so we need all the resources to go to new york city. so we need more money and we will need more. i think that there will be a fourth bill that comes through, we have to make sure that they take care of the state of new york and the city of new york for their -- for their -- to be able to close that you are budget gaps. >> congressman rose, i'll give you the last word. you are both forces of nature

and there are things that you are doing that all new yorkers are gateful for. but you talk about a war. everyone has been enlisted. we've been asked to shelter in place and a lot of people feel isolated and afraid. what do you say to them? >> what i say to them is that we're the greatest country in the history of the world. new york city, greatest city in the history of the world. we will get through this and rise to the challenge. what i was really heartened by to see today is that this was not a democrat or republican stimulus political that we put forth. and just as this virus doesn't see democrats or republican, it doesn't see race, creed, religion, we are uniting to take this on. but with have so much work left to be done. but we have the best and the bright ets peopest people. these nurses, first responders, the doctors, the heros that they

are doing unbelievable things and we have to have their backs. because if we don't support them, i don't care how many ventilators you have, i don't care how many hospital beds you have, i don't care how much ppe you have, we will not be able to save people's lives. we have got to be there for them and we will. >> thank you both for your service. congressman meeks and congressman rose, thank you so much. after the break, it used to be a punch line the record level turnover. but it is turning out to be anything but. how top vacancies are affecting the fight against coronavirus. dd and platelet donations and asks all healthy donors to schedule an appointment to give. now, with the corona virus outbreak, it is important to maintain a sufficient blood supply. your blood donation is critical and can help save lives.

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we think we have it very well under randomized. we have very little problem in this country at this moment. five. recoup rating successfully. have a small number of people in the country right now with it. like around 12.rating successfu. have a small number of people in the country right now with it. like around 12. some are fully recovered. so we're this good shape. >> because of all we've done, the risk to the american people remains very low. when you have 15 people and the 15 within a couple of days will be down to close to zero, that is a pretty good job we've done. >> he will truly say anything but if only he had been right

with those predictions. the "new york times" shows the devastation across this country since the virus first gripped the nation. as has been the case most days since it started to alter every aspect of american life. and cut short of lives of hundreds of americans. a story centered on presidential accountability, a president who has bragged about vacancies and the number of acting officials in his administration has been caught woe fli unpreparfully un. and according to the "times," some 80% of the senior positions in the white house below the cabinet level have turned over during mr. trump's administration with about 500 people have being departed sinc inauguration. he is on his fourth chief of start, first national security adviser and his fifth secretary of the department of homeland security. the "times" writes ever since president trump came into

office, a record high turnover and unfilled jobs have emptied offices across wide secretaries of the fed bur raabout you busa. and let's bring into my friend a ab stoddard and i haddy, to you first. >>s it i it is ignorance, inco and ideology. it is pretty straightforward where trump doesn't know what he is talking about. we want him to be quiet as times. the incompetence has to come with the turnover. we're not dealing with the b or c team, we're in the d, e andment team. that a lot of folk don't want to

risk their careers working for donald trump, they don't want to be associated with this administration. but then there is the ideological part of it. we've been dealing with a view of big government as if some ways the source of evil, a big government as the problem. that we don't really need big brother. and even with donald trump, remember steve bannon said we want to deac construct the fedel government to view the bureaucracy with deep suspicion. and here we need the federal government clearly and we are not prepared. >> you know, ab, the person who needs the bureaucracy to prcherm the most is donald trump. he has the most riding on this pandemic being contained, on it not spreading, on the economy coming back.

and so it is mind boggling that he doesn't listen to the experts. you've got an open letter out to president george w. bush and barack obama. talk about that. >> well, i think that it is time for some people who have the same level of influence as the president or more voices that americans would trust, a bipartisan effort to come forward and really just be blunt with the american people, there is no plan. if there had been a plan, we wouldn't see the pace of infection that we're seeing. we wouldn't be seeing the panic across the health care system. >> wasn there wasn't a plan. and combined with the president's willful negligence and the refusal to acknowledge the need for tegtsstinging and

lost critical six weeks on. and so i'm calling on the former presidents to say this is really a moment where we could see damage not onlycritical six wee. and so i'm calling on the former presidents to say this is really a moment where we could see damage not only shortades to co. and the plan allows a national lockdown. bill gates last night says ten weeks. or across the board testing that allows us to isolate the infected so that we can send the recovered who are no longer contagious or won't get rein-gektsed aga reeffected reinfected again back to work. but to say that it is low risk is out of the question. look at governor dewine in ohio, he is tweeting today about how it is coming. if it isn't in your community, it is because you don't know it.

and it is everywhere. and i'm just waiting in these 5:00 pressers when he says we're doing a terrific job for someone with a bigger foot to step in and i'm asking the former presidents to break their silence and try to tackle this responsibility. sg >> donald trump was asked last sunday night if he had reached out to any of the living presidents to ask for their advice. and he said no, there is nothing that they could teach me. what is it in your view that hinders the country's effort to save lives to respond to resources in an alarming way? is it the sense that he alone can fix things, that he did never remove himself from these breaching briefings? that he actually is big hearted, that he actually does care about red states and blue states

equally and i've not seen any scrap that we've been wrong. >> i think that is in part the issue. he alone can fix it, we've heard that before. we know the nature of hit arrogance and how it serves as a cover for his ignorance. but i think it is also the way in which that we think that we are invincible as a country, that we don't want to look at the facts squarely in the face and what we have done to make ourselves vulnerable. it is something else when we look at what the underbelly of american society is, it is being exposed. the coronavirus is exploding years of neglect of the public health infrastructure, years of neglect of the poor. it is exposing those folks who are vulnerable in prisons and jails across the country.

so in some ways what we have to do in this moment, not just simply call former presidents to come forward because we need them to, we also need to confront what we have done to bring ourselves to this moment in order to open ourselves up to being otherwise. trump is clearly who he is. we know who he is. we've known for a while. but we have to also understand what we have done in order to bring us to this moment. >> and i should point out that the president has signed the latest stimulus and relief package. it was passed with bipartisan support. but the president celebrated only with republicans. does that send an even clearer sign of how he is viewing all of his actions in the coronavirus response? >> well, the fact that the

president has broken a ceiling in his polling for the first time in his entire campaign, his entire presidency, is affirming for him and makes him believe that his response to coronavirus in this critical six weeks that we lost that will lied to untold economic destruction and more sickness and death and more tramp 34riling of our health ca system, this polling tell him that he is only interested in winning re-election. and he has no problem not going to st. patrick's day lunch at the kop,capital, he has no prob canceling appearances with nancy pelosi and only appearing with republicans.

he has made his bed and he is pretty content liaring in ying all he's waited for is this kind of polling and it will emebolaen him partisan but also to believe that the things he's telling us about the coronavirus and the administration's response are true and effective. >> a.b. stoddard, eddie glaude, it's wonderful to see your faces. i can't wait until the day we're all around the same table again. after the break, how our nation's governors are stepping in to fill a void of leadership and what they're doing to stop the virus. "nobody should." but, i just don't think you need a separate private plane. but i, but i want it! hey, buddy. what's the damage? i bought it! the waterfall? nope! a new volkswagen. a volkswagen?! i think we're having a breakthrough here.

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we have people like governor inslee, he should be doing more. he shouldn't be relying on the federal government. governor inslee, that's the state of washington. he was a failed presidential candidate and, you know, he's always complaining. your governor of michigan, i mean she's not stepping up. i don't know if she knows what's going on. but all she does is sit there and blame the federal government. some of these governors, you know, they take, take, take, and then they complain. they take, and you do a great job. you build them a hospital. you do other -- and then there's always complaining. so i don't like that. >> even in a time of crisis where his leadership has been questioned, donald trump still finding ample time to air his personal grievances on cable television. speaking of governors, my next guest is working to protect his

state, already hit hard by coronavirus. there are now 8,800 confirmed cases in new jersey and more than 100 deaths. joining us now, new jersey governor phil murphy. governor, how are you doing? how is your state doing? >> we're holding up, nicolle. new jersey is tough as nails. we will get through this, but this is a war and you rightfully point out almost 9,000 positive cases but far more importantly, 108 lost lives, and those numbers are overwhelmingly certain to go up a lot more before they come down. but, you know, we're a tough state. we're one big family. and if we do -- each of us do their part, we're going to get through this. >> your predecessor, chris christie famously and to his political detriment worked with democratic president barack obama. do you see any prospect for history repeating itself? are there open lines ofp goes o news and attacks seemingly

democratic governors? >> yeah, i haven't seen him on msnbc here in a while, so i can assume it's another network. but, listen, we have one president. you know, i don't get to wake up in the morning and pick president "x" or "y." the president is donald trump. the vice president is mike pence, and we have to find ways to find common ground and worth together. and we do in fairness. we need a lot more personal protective equipment. we've gotten a fraction of what we need. but i have to say at the same time, the president approved four pop-up field hospitals, the first one of which is being put up as we speak. fema has come in to help us on two drive-thru testing sites. we've got to find common ground right now. this is way beyond partisanship, and i frankly don't care about any political price any of us have to pay for that. this is what we need to do to keep people alive and keep them safe and get through this as fast as possible. >> do you think there's any

prospect of a -- i'm a new yorker, and i know that new jersey, like new york, i think it's been described as our weakness being our strength, the fact that we live so densely. do you think there's any prospective pek prospect of any social distancing requirement being lifted in your state by easter. >> listen, nicolle, if that were the case, i'd be the happiest guy in new jersey, maybe america, maybe on the planet earth. but we've been at this since january. we've been making our decisions based on data and science and the facts, and frankly i hope i'm wrong, but the data we see, this is going to keep going up, and it's going to -- it's going to spill meaningfully, i'm afraid, into may. and i think we may a huge mistake. the first order of business is to flatten the curve and break the back of the coronavirus. then secondly responsibly begin to open up the economy and our society. i think if we transpose those

and we do one before the other, i think we run the risk of throwing gasoline on the fire and we just can't afford to do that. >> governor murphy, grateful to have a chance to talk to you. thank you for spending some time with us. another short break for us. chuck todd picks up our coverage after this. thank you for watching. at papa john's, we want you to know that from our 450-degree oven, to box, to you, it's our policy that your pizza is never touched once it comes out of the oven. and we're taking extra steps, like no contact delivery, to ensure it.

welcome to friday. it is "meet the press daily" and what a week. good evening. i am chuck todd, continuing msnbc's special coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. president trump has just signed the biggest emergency relief package in american history. he has also just announced that he is using the powers of the defense production act, a rarely used power that allows the president to basically take over a u.s. supply