good morning. it is saturday, march 27th. the covid-19 pandemic continues to reek ravic around the globe. there are now more than 600,000 confirmed cases of the disease worldwide according to johns hopkins university, including boris johnson and prince charles. at least 27,800 people have d d died. italy has been particularly devastateded. yesterday reporting 919 deaths in a 24 hour period. that is the highest daily toll anywhere in the world. bringing italy i death toll to more than 9,000 people. here in the united states, there

are now at least 102,074 and 1605 deaths. at least 18 states are under stay at home orders. new york itself, a state that has 419 fatalities and 44,635 cases. if new york state were a country, it would have the sixth highest number of confirmed cases in the world. it reported triple digit deaths in a 24 hour period yesterday. that's a first for the united states. yesterday, president trump signed a $2.2 trillion relief bill meant to help families and businesses get through at least the start of this new world. that came just over 24 hours after weekly jobless numbers revealed that 3.3 million americans filed for unemployment insurance for the first time. quadrupling the previous weekly

record. trump has also invoked the production act, but despite the number of cases and deaths rapidly rising, president trump still told the american people this week he wants everything back to normal very soon. >> i'd love to have it open by easter. okay. i would love to have it open by easter. i will tell you that right now. i would love to have that. >> who suggested easter? >> i just thought it was a beautiful time. it would be a beautiful timeline. it's a great day. >> you've got to be realistic and you've got to understand that you don't make the timeline. the virus makes the timeline. >> easter's two weeks from tomorrow. joining me now in boston, one of the most qualified individuals to discuss the medical side of the pandemic. she's an infectious disease physician and associate professor at the boston university school of medicine and medical director of special

pathogens unit at boston medical center. she specializes in infection control issues and highly communicable diseases. also with me, host and managing editor of united states of anxiety. thank you for joining us. doctor, let's talk about the thing i've been speaking to with infectious disease specialists and that is the concern about medical workers. health care workers. front line workers. why they don't have enough production. are bumping up against their capacity to treat people or are infected themselves. >> yeah. i think that you know, health care workers are a critical resource in every outbreak response because as they get sick, you not only impact the ability of the response to take care of the growing number of people getting sick but then you're impacting the health care

of everybody else who might be coming in with a heart attack, to give birth, to might access care for something else. the thing that worries me as dr. fauci said, only the virus decides the timeline, but beyond that is this great quote from ellen not guiltien where she said the u.s. health care system is 51 health care systems. and so in every state, how this plays out depends on the virus, the population density, but also the health care system of every state and the capacity and the number of health care workers they have in that state to battle this. >> kye, i came here from canada about 20 years ago. 18 years ago, something like that. i was struck by one of the main differences between these two countries is the degree to which even americans even 20 years ago had developed this anti federal government stance and surprised by the degree to which people who ran for office and politicians also held that

stance and i'm beginning to wonder whether that and the fact we don't have universal health care in this country like every other qudeveloped country is contribute iing to the fact tha people can be safe from this ipfection and if they git, they can be treated. >> it's absolutely the case. and i mean over the course my lifetime, over 40 years, both parties honestly, not just the republican party. both have engaged in so much of this idea, this rhetoric around anything public is insufficient is worse than a response. so when we face crisis like this, we don't have a robust public system in place. we don't have the faith in a robust public system across our culture and politic in order to respond. you take a case like this. i really appreciate the point about we have 51 different health systems. this is a perfect example.

when you b look at the county by county numbers and prevalences in some of these places like albany, georgia, for instance, has a prevalence not far behind new york city. or new orleans. these are local places where the health system may not have the same resources in new york. it's already on its knees and so without a coordinated, strong public federal response, we're never, those places are going to be in trouble. and we have to get to a maplace and i don't know how we get there in the time with we have left from this epidemic, to get there from our president to us as individuals to how we say okay, we have to work together through our government. through the public sector in order to control this thing. as long as we're saying oh, well you know, there might be an individual private response. there might be you know this company may do it on their own. we're just, we're never going to get there. >> nya, there have been some

other creative applications that we've seen. in new york university and other universities have graduated their medical classes early. we had dr. emanuel and general, the general from new orleans that i'm thinking about, who had said get your medical students out early. your nursing students out early. bring back people who have retired. bring other people into the profession for fast track training, train people to be nurse practitioners. there's a whole lot of innovation going on for the shortages that we have. doesn't make up for the shortage of mask, gloves and ventilators, but it is helping on the medical front. >> yeah, it's interesting. i think it's important in this moment in time forpeople to listen to front loin health care workers because we're not just saying look at this moment in time. we're seeing how crazy things are in the busiest aspects and cities where this thing is and

projecting out how this plays out. we know there's going b to be a dearth of hands to help. some of the other strategies countries have seen is training non health care workers to help with nonprolif rall fupgss. taking temperatures. getting tests done. so integration of non traditional health care force is important. the other innovation, the sad part, talking about personal protective equipment. i'm hearing stories from my friends in new york city about the dearth of personal protective equipment and how they're having to make due. hospitals are trying to figure out how to decontaminate their equipment. the national production has to really kick in to make that happen, but yeah, innovations are happening at the hospital level and from private

businesses. we're getting contacted by businesses saying let us make this for you so you can try and see if you can keep yourselves safe with these products that we can make. so i think all that stuff is happening. i think only time will tell how much we rise up to meet that need. >> kye, you have anxiety. the united states of anxiety. something that a lot of americans struggle with, but i think in the last month, all of americans have started to struggle with all anxiety. this thing we're all feel iing that keeps us up at night, that worries us. we were anxious b about politics before we get into this and now people are anxious about everybody near them and touching their own face and getting sick and dying and not having enough doctors and the ambulance not coming in time. anxiety have become our state of life. >> it has and we've been talking to listeners both on our show, but also across our radio station. and just i mean people are

terrified. and rightly so. and you know, again, that's in a place in a city and state where we have had a relatively robust response from our leadership. both the mayor, the governor have largely set aside their profound political debates and put forward a robust response and have tried to lead and still, we have found just enormous number of things that start to come up in people's lives. i mean we're thinking about that, the access to supplies for health care workers, but just the physical burnout amongst health care workers. beyond the health care workers, the way in which we're getting treat ed as individual humans. the those of us who are vulnerable. we had a woman on the radio the other day who was in a homeless shelter with three children and can't stay inside all day so she's roaming the streets with her kids saying where am i

supposed to go? we don't have a solution for that. that's the kind of thing we're going to see in every city where this happens and it's the kind of thing why we just desperately need a coordinated national response. both for the material reality of it but also just for our mental health as individuals to know we've got leadership. >> yeah. you know in san francisco and seattle and new york, we've got issues with homelessness and extreme povr poverty. this is now hitting detroit, chicago, new orleans, also cities like that and these are still all major urban centers as this infection proceeds, it's going to hit more rural centers. thanks for joining us. this pandemic is overwhelming our most vulnerable communities as kye was just saying. how it's stretching already

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as the coronavirus continues to upend nearly every aspect of our lives, leaders in washington have come to a compromise on this round of financial aid. a $2 trillion relief bill and it provides a temporary boost in unemployment benefits as well as one time direct cash payments of about $1200 to individuals making under $75,000. but that won't nearly be enough to save low wage workers who are most at risk for being pushed further into poverty. more aid will be needed. speaker pelosi said those discussions are underway. but it may take more than checks. it may mean fundamentally rethinking some economic structures which we have been accustom

accustomed. joining me now, eddie, an msnbc contributor and dorothy b roberts, professor of law at the university of pennsylvania law school. dorothy, 519 people have died in the united states. in new york state. more than 1600 in the united states and someone pointed out to me very clearly because the statistics are on a board next to you on the screen now. those 1605 people are people. they're mothers, fathers, children, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, but people are affected differently by this illness. whether or not they have died from it, we don't have the same resources to fend this off, to stay home, to equip ourselves, to buy food in advance, to travel, to go stay somewhere else. this is in fact to some degree enhancing our economic i inequality. >> that's absolutely right. the people who are forced into

dangerous work because they have no savings, they live paycheck to paycheck, or perhaps they're not receiving a paycheck. what about those people? people who are incarcerated? when the news came out that the u.s. had the largest number of coronavirus cases in the world, my first thought was we also have the largest number of incarcerated people in the world. and i think there's a connection between the two. those people are extremely vulnerable to getting the virus and to dying from it. there are multiple inequalities. people who are isolated. we talk about social distancing but what about people who are not connected to others because of poverty. because of homelessness. because of domestic violence. what about them? they need to be connected to other people in order to make sure they're safe. we've seen in other catastrophes like hurricane katrina, heat

wave in chicago that killed almost 800 people. people who were socially isolated. elderly african-american women, for example, were at greater risk. so this virus is not just a natural zdisaster, like all disasters, they affect people who in our society, are in a structure that makes it more difficult for them to survive already and now this just adds more and more danger to and risk to their lives. >> eddie, let's talk about poverty. dorothy just talked about chicago. this is hitting detroit now. it's hiing new orleans and some think mardi gras was allowed to go along but they also said they have a lot of peer people who b continue to not have access to great medical care who live in close quarters. this may be our one opportunity in 15 years to rethink poverty

and the fact that being poor isn't your fault and you shouldn't have to get health care and not get treatment and not be able to isolate yourself and not get insurance if you don't have a job. >> that's just absolutely right. look, there are 41 million americans who live below the federal poverty level. there are 143 million americans who are income insecure. either poor or low income. and so we know that poverty and inequality are multipliers right for the transmission and in some ways for the mortality of everyone, right? is and so part of what we have to do is begin to challenge the way in which we have framed poverty in this country. in the last segment, you talked about for 40 years, we have had a discourse or ideology that's demonized big government but we've also had an ideology that's demonized poor people. when we go back to reagan's presidency, we know that poverty

increased by 2.2 million americans during his first year. we know he attacked welfare, food stamps. we know very clearly the rhetoric around poor people, that poor people are poor because they aren't doing what they're supposed to do and we've seen over the course of these decades a systematic further marginalization of the most vulnerable. we heard this with dr. king in 1967 and we heard it with reverend barber and the poor people's campaign today is that we need a trans valuation of values. we need to change how we think of the common good. otherwise we're going to see disaster. capitalism, those folks who have experience d the disaster of american inequality deep in because of this disease. >> interesting you say disaster capitali capitalism. dorothy, if you went into last recession, 2008, with good credit, b available cash, you came out way better.

you came out way better at the other end. you are richer for not having done that. if you went in with bad credit, no assets or under water in your house, you may still not have recovered from that last recession despite the fact the stock market is up more than 120% since then. >> yeah, that's right and that points out a major flaw really a tragedy and a travesty in the bailout package because so much money is going to bailing out corporations while relatively little is going to direct cash benefits to people who need them. and in the midst of all of this, there are people including steve mnuchin saying he's angry about the fact that people who are unemployed are going to get extra benefits. speaking to what eddie was saying, this idea that people who are poor are unemployed receive low wages, somehow don't

deserve to have more in this nation, where as wealthy corporations and as a result of the let's put it this way, they cause and they made out as a result of the last recession. are getting potentially trillions of dollars. why is it that in this nation, many people believe the poor and low income people, the workers who are create iing the wealth, don't deserve purely in the $600 one time cash benefit. 1200, that's -- >> no one's getting rich off of that. >> no one's getting rich off of that yet there's complaints about that. what about the incentive to corporations to continue corrupt behavior by giving them billions and potentially trillions of dollars. why do we think that way in this nation? we need as i agreed with

professor glout, a radical transformation of thinking and of structures that support working families, lifting people out of poverty. really thinking about how we're going to abolish the cultural systems that we have that punish people as a way to deal with our social problems instead of thinking of a system that provides universal health care and income supports and other kinds of supports to families who need them. >> eddie, why is it so unusual for us? because every other major developed country in the world does offer universal health care. in most of those countries, it is not tied to your employment. you lose your b job, that's a remarkably traumatic experience but in america, if you lose your job, you worry b about something separate than you do in canada, great britain, switzerland,

germany, france. these other places. why are we not b able to think about the human first? >> you know, i think it has something to do with with our racial, our racist past. and not to just simply play the race card as some might say, but there's this idea that the welfare state right, takes from deserving people. their hard earned work and give to undeserving people. that the critique of big government has allowed those undeserving people to jump ahead of the line. so we're still grappling with the fact that race has overdetermined the very ways in which we think about democracy and in an ironic way, it has impacted, right, white people, r poor white people in a specific sort of way. just think about this. state line and vision of the charitable trust did an analysis and between 2016 and 2018, po

poverty increased in 30% of u.s. counties. so just in two years in the trump administration, we are seeing poverty increase right across the board and particularly among vulnerable white americans. so part of this has to do with us having to reimagine ourselves in a way that white people aren't valued more than others. that people with money aren't valued more than others and that's a moral question that's tied to the economic and health crisis that we're experiencing right now. >> that is a big and heavy lift, eddie, but this may be our opportunity to do it. the chair of african-american studies at princeton university and msnbc contributor. professor roberts, professor of law and sociology at the university of pennsylvania law school. i'm grateful to you for this important conversation. professor roberts, author of killing the black body. congressman seth moulton says

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with more than 1,000 ko individual cases the city f o new orleans could become the next epicenter in the united states. b they believe the rich history of large, social gatherings, particularly mardi gras, may have been key factors in the rapid sfred of the virus there. joining us now, blaine alexander who's been following it closely. god what's the situation in new orleans? >> really what we're seeing every day is that every day is bringing another tremendous rise in cases. consider this. right now, across the state of louisiana, we are seeing more than 2700 cases. more than 1100 of those are in

new orleans itself. we're talking about a big rise, but the real concern experts are pointing to is is just how quickly those cases are rising. in fact, over the past few days that i was in new orleans, we saw an increase of more than 400 or 500 cases per day. so that's why you're hearing those strong warnings from the governor. just walk iing through the stres of new orleans, it was almost surreal because you're familiar with bourbon street, most people are. it's usually bustling and busy. all the businesses were closed. it was practically a ghost town. we talked about the fact that mardi gras could have a large role in that. it was more than a month ago, at the end of february. back then, there were very few coronavirus cases in the u.s. it was mostly being talked about in china and europe and it wasn't declared a pandemic yet so i asked the mayor this week if there was any sort of consideration to go ahead with

mardi gras and here's what she had to say. >> leadership matters. and how a leadership responds at the national level impacts how we respond at the state level impacts how we respond at the local level. so of course, covid-19 was at the feorefront of our minds and thoughts as we prepared the host mardi gras. interacting with the health care professionals at the local, state and federal level, hearing there was no reason for us to not move forward with it and listening to your health care professionals and those experts on the ground, that's who i listened to. so at that r particular time, we were not instructed at any level that mardi gras was something that should not go on. >> you heard her there saying nobody was raising the red flag at the time. one more thing i want to note about new orleans specifically. yes, you talked about the high

rates of obesity and diabetes and underlying conditions that make people more suh september bable. that's a city based on hospitality so a lot of restaurants have had to close so people are being laid off, not able to work. that's making it even more difficult, ali. >> thank you for your coverage. congressman seth moulton of massachusetts is self-isolating at home after experiencing symptoms of the coronavirus midweek. he joins a growing list of leaders who have been acted by covid-19. the democratic representative from massachusetts' sixth district joins me now. how are you doing? how's your family? you haven't been able to get tested but seem to be working through the the stages of what coronavirus symptoms are. >> that's right. we have been listened as simmatic for covid-19 by our doctor. chest tightness, fever, sore

throat, body aches, but mild to many of the more terrible cases you hear about on tv. most importantly, my 18 month old, emmy, our daughter, has no symptoms, which is consistent with this disease. it's also interesting that my wife has less severe symptoms than me. she's a little tougher, but the data shows this tends to affect women less than men. >> congressman, let's talk about a bill you've introduced. to save organizations that save act. you're worriy eied about orss o there that are saving people that have lost their ability to raise money and function. >> that's right. the bill we passed through congress that's going to get much needed help to the american people is a good step in the right direction but it's far from perfect. one of the things that's been left out are the non-profits. the ymca that's feeding kids, that don't have school lunches.

the ywca. other groups advocating for americans with compromised immune systems in a health care system that's being stretched. there are so many non-profits out there doing important work every day that's even more important right now and many of them need a bailout, too. many need support to get through this economic crisis as they're seeing their numbers decline, their revenue dry up. we need to make sure they stay in business. >> congressman, last night, rachel spoke to nancy pelosi and i spoke to katy porter, your colleague who felt she had had some symptoms. they were both very concerned that when the president sign ed the bill, the $2.2 trillion bill, he made reference to oversight. the things the democrats had pushed for. inspector general at an oversight committee to determine how the $500 billion gets given to and spent by corporations. the president has said that he will take ha as advisory, but not binding. and that the idea that the

special investigation will have to report to congress if certain agencies have not told the american people how they've spent that money. he's going to want to have approval over that before the inspector general goes to congress. this should raise remarkable alarm bells to americans who a week ago said you can't give these corporations money with no springs attach and now they're seeing we're not going to keep as tight a lid on that supervision as we said we were. >> it absolutely should raise alarm bells, ali. this is very concerning. if you looked at the senate republican draft, it put corporate bailouts first. in fact, i laid out my priorities for this bill. number one, health care workers get that ppe to nurses and doctors on the front heloons. no lines. number two, working families. i can't believe how many friends and neighbors of mine have been laid off.

number three, small businesses then only after that any industry bailouts and they've got to come with strings attached. we've got to make sure that like when obama did the bailout in 2008, these aren't just grants, but they're loans these corp. rac corporations have to pay back and we have to make sure they're not just raising corporate profits at the ends of workers. they're not just awarding their chief executives with top end salaries, they're not just boosting share prices by buying back stock. it's critical those things are in place. the bill we got does a pretty good job b of following those priorities that i laid out. if you look at where the senate republicans started, it was the exact opposite. it put health care workers last. there was hardly any support in there for them and it put corporate bailouts first so we've gcome a long way but as w know, it's all about the implementation. the supervision. let's see where this money actually goes and that's real

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president trump is head iin to norfolk, virginia to bid bon voyage to the us navy ship comfort as it prepares hospital over 1,200 medical personnel and critical supplies to the epicenter of the nation's coronavirus outbreak. it's expected to arrive on monday. the ship has a dozen operating rooms and 1,000 beds. meanwhile, in the south pacific, the coronavirus has sidelined the nuclear power aircraft carrier the thee dodore rooseve an outbreak forcing it to dock temporarily in guam as the crew of more than 9,000 get tested for covid-19. >> joining me now nato supreme allied commander and the msnbc chief international security analyst, good to see you, admiral, thank you for being with us. in a time in which we are struggling to feel like there is either a global response or even

a satisfactory national response, one of the things that does help is when we see these elements of the military, these pictures of these ships, which i remember from being in new york harbor in 9/11 coming to our rescue at a time when we're seeing these critical shortages. tell me a bit about your thoughts on it. >> well, first of all, ali i was lucky when is commander before i was a nato commander to be in charge of all military activities south of the united states. so comfort was one of my ships. i actually flew my admiral's flag from the comfort on a number of occasions. they are magnificent ships, 65,000 tons, three football fields long, crew of only about 200 sailors but the medical personnel can number up to a thousand. and as you mentioned, most importantly now a thousand beds, which can act as a relief valve

to take non-covid-19 patient, out of the hospitals freeing up bed space in the new york city hospitals for the covid-19 patients. it's a brilliant solution, and they're also just gorgeous ships, big, powerful, pure white, red crosses. new york will feel a lot better come monday, and we ought to mention, ali, yesterday in los angeles the sister ship of comfort, the mercy, well named, arrived in los angeles harbor. so the navy and the military are on the move to help. >> i recall in 9/11 going down the west side of new york and seeing it. that's the mercy that we're looking at there coming into los angeles, the port of los angeles. it does give you a sense of assurance. i do want to talk to you about the theodore roosevelt, the sidelining of a ship because of a possible outbreak of covid-19. our preparedness is a major

issue, we've been talking about it with respect to first responders in our american cities, but it is a major, major, major concern for the military. >> it is indeed and with all of the goodness the military can bring to help work on these challenges and it's everything from ships like the comfort and the mercy to the bringing food and water and electricity and just like we do after hurricanes, but the military's first job, ali is our national security, to defend us because those threats overseas from terror, from china, from russia, from iran, from north korea, those don't go away because we're in the middle of a pandemic. we have to be very concerned when we see an incident like this on the roosevelt. i commanded enterprise, a similar nuclear powered aircraft carrier as part of my strike group as an admiral, and here's something for our listeners to know. picture your kitchen about that size, 15 sailors sleep in that kitchen.

that's called a birthing compartment. they're stacked on double decker, triple decker bunks, and what happens in there is people are very close together. there is no social distancing on a navy warship. so we've got to be very concerned looking at this initial outbreak, look at all of our protocolprotocols. are we doing all the right things on the ships and maintain that military readiness, even as we help with the hard work of responding to coronavirus. we've got to do both. >> admiral, let's talk about military preparedness in the united states. we have talked about in many cases the national guard has been activated. a lot of reservists have been called up. there are discussions, there has been an invitation put out by some branches of the military to retirees specifically with specific skills, including medical skills. are we looking at something more serious happening here where everybody with any military training or those that want military training are going to be invited in just so that we

can maintain our readiness? >> i don't think we're at that point yet, ali, and you mentioned 9/11. another one to kind of think about is katrina or the hurricane responses. obviously we've not seen what the potential scale of this could look like, so i would say at the moment the active duty military in our reserve in guard will be more than sufficient to do what we need, and let me just give you the numbers. 1.2 million active duty military, 800,000 guard and reserve. so that's like 2 million people in the united states all young, physically fit, medically cleared, most of them have some level of training in operating in a chemical or biological warfare environment. it's a powerful force in readiness. i don't think we're going to need to dip any further than

certainly the active duty, potentially chunks of the reserve and the guard, but that's what they're there for. >> admiral, thank you for your time today. it does give me chills watching those ships moving in. they will make a lot of people feel better and safer, and they will heal people and save lives. form nato supreme allied commander and msnbc chief international security analyst, admiral james staph ree tus. tells us how fast doctors, hospitals and emergency workers can get the test kits and the equipment they need, you're watching velshi on msnbc. like way more vanities perfect for you. nice. way more unique fixtures and tiles. pairing. ♪ nice. way more top brands in sinks and faucets. way more ways to rule your renovation. nice! on any budget, with free shipping. wayfair. way more than furniture.

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welcome back, i'm ali velshi, there are now more than 100,000 cases of covid-19 in the united states. that's the highest number in the world. at least 1,605 people have died. new york state itself has 519 fatalities and 44,635 cases of its own. at least 18 states are under stay at home orders. late yesterday, president trump signed a massive $2.2 trillion relief bill called the cares act meant to help struggling individuals, families and businesses of all sizes get through at least the immediate future of what's to come. the legislation includes unprecedented dreirect paymentso most americans. house speaker nancy pelosi addressed the situation last night in an exclusive interview with msnbc's rachel maddow. >> it's not a surpr