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we have been behind this virus from day one. we have been in a reactive posture from day one with this virus. we're waiting to see what the virus does, and then we respond. the virus makes another move and then we respond. no, you don't win on defense, you win on offense. you have to get ahead of this, anticipate what's going to happen and create that reality. good evening and welcome to what we like to call "p.m. joy." in the midst of a crisis leadership is key. there is in fact nothing more important. in the contrast between what we've been seeing out of washington from donald trump and what we're seeing from the nation's governors could not be starker. donald trump has complained about the economy and the press and governors not being nice to him.

he's down-played the coronavirus pandemic and then accepted its reality and then reverted back to telling people to go back to work. and he's now claiming he can shutdown entire states. more on that in a moment. meanwhile in trump's former home state of new york governor andrew cuomo is doing hard work of crisis leadership laying out including today the sober reality that the worse of the coronavirus crisis likely went hit new yorkers for another 2 to 3 weeks. when it comes to leadership the governor of new york stands in stark contrast to donald trump who as i just mentioned is now dangling the possibility he will somehow quarantine the entire new york tri-state area which includes new jersey and connecticut and its tens of millions of people, something that apparently is news to the governor. >> i didn't speak to him about any quarantine. >> has he spoken to you about a quarantine? have you had any inicatidicatio

that's a possibility for new york or parts of connecticut? >> i don't know what that means. >> whether or not president trump has the constitutional authority to quarantine states which we'll discuss shortly we're already seeing some states going after new yorkers. florida, texas and maryland are calling on new yorkers to self-quarantine for two weeks if they come to those states. in rhode island the police and national guard are actually stopping people with new york license plates and going door-to-door to find people from the state. the self-proclaimed wartime president should perhaps spend a little bit less time throwing around seat of the pants ideas and more time trying to find ways to protect the people on the front lines of this battle. and in florida the irony could not be starker. the state's trump governor ron desantis has been heavily criticized for his slow reaction to the pandemic which meant beaches and disney world stayed open and at least one person who was sick at disney world wound

up flying home to california where they died. and we learned today another american nurse at jackson memorial hospital in miami has died from complications of covid-19. the 33-year nursing veteran is just one of the many health care professionals who have been putting their lives on the line to protect the lives of others. and notably florida which is trump's official state of residence now was not mentioned in his quarantine target list. and joining me now is new jersey congresswoman bonny watson coleman. and congresswoman, thank you so much for being here. let's start with this idea that donald trump claims he can quarantine the new york tri-state area which includes new jersey. as a united states congresswoman are you aware that he has any such authority? >> thanks for having me, joy. first of all i don't know that he has that authority. i don't think that the governors know he has that authority either. one thing i do know it seems to me that the powers he does have he doesn't use appropriately. and the power he may not have he

tries to invoke. so he just creates the chaos among our citizens that we're trying to avoid. we should not be where we are right now in the united states of america. and had he done the right thing from the very beginning with testing and surveilling and making sure that we have the supplies we would need, we wouldn't be having this scare town by town. the more tests that become available, the more we find out that there's infection. we're behind this eight ball as opposed to being the kind of leaders that this country has always been. but his ineptness and his desire to be the focus of everything has put us in a very confused state. i tell people don't listen to the president, listen to his scientists because if donald trump loved this country more

than he loved himself he'd step away from the microphone and let the experts do the talking. >> yeah, i think that is very difficult to refute what you just said. we do know from "the new york times" headline some of the problems we're having is because donald trump lacks the personnel in place, the expertise because he got rid of lot of people he needed. job vacancies and inexperience mar the department, the agency tasked with screening at airports and carrying out the travel restrictions that were donald trump's first major action to combat the coronavirus is full of vacancies, of the 75 senior positions listed 20 are either vacant or filled with acting officials. we know congress is not able to meet right now, that is difficult thing to do with social distancing being in place. but once congress is able to come back together, can we expect hearings? the dismissal of the office in china that was tasked with doing

this, these seem to be such egregious mistakes on trump's behalf. one wunlders onders if congresse able to at least had investigate it. >> oim on homeland security in addition and we have asked the impact of vacancy and the movement of people from one position to another. and with people ending up with little experience in certain areas yeah you're going to see congress have a number of hearings. you're also going to see us look at additional support that needs to come out in the form of another coronavirus, a set of bills. because what we did the other day, that was a good start. that is moving in the right direction. there are certain things that are very troubling like the $500 billion worth that the president doesn't think congress should have any oversight on. but we've got much more to do

because we've put in place some issues on concerns, we've put in place some protections for people in a very temporary way for two, three weeks maybe even a couple of months. but what happens after that? as the governor of new york said -- i'm sorry, as the governor of new york said he's expecting this thing to escalate and reach its top point in weeks. i'm in new jersey. we're right behind new york, and so we have a lot more ahead of us than the president would have us believe. >> yeah, absolutely. i want to quickly before i lose you, there are a couple of issues i know you are working on. one is the department of labor has suspended some affirmative action guidelines in terms of dealings with things like construction. can you speak to that? and also in terms of representers because the governor of your state of new jersey has been tweeting about the fact that, you know, renters should not be facing eviction during this time. can you speak to those issues that i know affect a lot of

people in. >> number one with regard to renters absolutely there should be a moratorium on any kind offore closure, anything that moves people out of the safety and security of their homes. and our governor who is a very effective leader has been advising our state of what our responsibility is to one another. with regard to the department of labor memo that came out, there's a requirement that if you're spending federal dollars, you should have affirmative action clauses within those contracts that ensure that people who have been underutilized for so many years whether or not it's minorities or women or disabled individuals or even our veterans, they needed to be able to benefit from any federal contracts that were being let. we just put out a $2 trillion coronavirus package some that's going to result in jobs and supplies and things of that nature. this is not the time to decrease

the access of those individuals and companies that have been traditionally underrepresented. we fought long and hard for this equality of opportunity. and with one stroke of a pen they just manifest exactly who they are, narrow-minded, care nothing but for the very, very wealthy, care very little about our minorities and our women, and even less about those who are disabled trying to run companies and our veterans. we owe it to everybody to be a part of the solution. >> congresswoman bonny watson coleman, thank you for fighting the good fight. stay safe. >> you too and thank you for having me. >> thanks so much. let's dig into the constitutional questions. i'm joined by laurence tribe, author of the book "to end a presidency" the power of impeachment. thank you so much.

appreciate your time tonight professor tribe. let's talk about whether or not this is even constitutional. i'm going to play for you first what governor cuomo has said about the this idea that donald trump believes he can quarantine three east coast states because of the coronavirus outbreak. take a listen. >> i don't believe that he could be serious -- that any federal administration could be serious about physical lockdowns of states or parts of states across this country. i don't believe it's legal. i think it would be economic chaos. i don't think the american people would stand for it. >> professor tribe, in short does president trump have the authority to quarantine states? >> certainly not in the constitution that i've read. and i've read it more than once. i think governor cuomo has it right. there is no broad authority on

the part of the president of the united states to just target certain states for quarantine. in 1944 congress did pass a law, the public health service act, which does give the executive branch the targeted power to quarantine individuals who are reasonably believed to carry disease and to be contagious. but that's a far cry from going off, you know, half-cocked the way this president is and saying basically the states he would like to quarantine he can quarantine. i'm sure that this is one of the instances of just presidential bluster that has very little behind it. but given the way this justice department can come up with a rationale for anything this guy wants to do i wouldn't put it past attorney general barr to

come up with some cockamamie opinion saying the president might have this power but the constitution -- >> yeah, i wouldn't be surprised. i don't think anybody would be at this point. nbc dug into this as well and here's one sound on our side. the cdc as you mentioned does have the power to detain people that has a communicable disease. it has been directed at individuals and small groups, and that's pete williams our legal analyst here at nbc. the question is how something like this could even work even if william barr would be of the mind to pretrend donald trump has this authority we know there was one case of someone at universal studios in florida and flew to california and died of covid-19. so people have been in and out of multiple states. people drive through the tri-state area. they live in new jersey, they

work in new york. it doesn't seem to be there would be a legal framework to even enforce something like this. is there? >> certainly no framework that exists today, and i don't imagine that congress would enact such a framework. and if it did, there would be serious constitutional problems with it. because the right of personal mobility is an aspect not only of the federal system, but it's a fundamental aspect of personal liberty. the supreme court over and over again, over the decades has said that just as tyrants tend to suppress speech and assembly they tend to want to control personal movement. it's a very fundamental human liberty, and it can be restricted but only a precise showing of need targeted to individuals, not huge groups like all new yorkers or all people in connecticut or the tri-state area.

that's a reach too far. >> yeah, and i think you said the most important thing here is but william barr, and we will see what he has to say on something like this. that's the chilling thing about this era. but laurence tribe, it's always good to speak with you. they get that no two people are alike and customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. almost done. what do you think? i don't see it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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the thousand beds that are part of the usns mercy give us the ability to increase ability by a third and if we need to surge by two thirds the number of available hospital beds for los angeles county. with arrival of the ship we are now better prepared to now handle that surge of patients we know will walk through the doors of our hospitals in the days ahead. >> as the u.s. navy hospital ship "comfort" makes its way to new york, another hospital ship

"mercy" is now docked in the port of los angeles. no kiss good-bye by donald trump necessary. the "mercy" will be caring for patients not infected with covid-19 to free up space in hospitals to treat the pandemic. and while the state of california has seen a fraction of the numbers that new york has seen, just over 100 deaths and nearly 5,500 cases, authorities expect that number to rise. and joining me now is california congresswoman maxine waters who's also the chair of the house financial services committee. and congresswoman, thank you so much for being here. >> you're welcome. >> so let's talk about california's caseload so far. there's been 5,151 cases, 102 deaths. and just to show the audience to compare, new york has had ten times that. 52,315 case and 728 deaths. can you talk a bit about what

california is doing to prepare because experts areopying those relatively low numbers will not last. >> well, i think the experts are correct. remember we were behind in test [the more testing you do the more you can identify those who have been infected. and so we need to do a lot more testing. but besides that we are working very hard. the mayor's working very hard, governor newsom has shown himself to be a real leader. and so in addition to the ship that you just identified, "mercy" they're looking at our convention center. and i have them looking at robert kennedy hospital, a hospital that's been closed down for years. so we're identifying locations that can be used based on what they need. some of these locations as "mercy" will be for those who are not infected so they can basically be taken care of, and the beds needed for the ones who are infected can be available.

and so that kind of planning is going on here. we're on lockdown, basically. we are, you know, sheltering in home, at home. and a lot of people are working at trying to be in compliance and do what is necessary to avoid spreading infections, et cetera. so we're working hard here. it's just it's a problem that we have basically because we started late in the united states of america. and as you know, we had pandemic affairs basically in the office of the president that was shutdown, closed down, not funded by the president of the united states. that's the kind of office that does the planning, that anticipates, that makes sure that supplies and everything that's needed can be readily available when you have this kind of disaster. and so even though we didn't have that kind of planning in addition to that the early

notifications i'm told weren't ignored and we're working hard. and people are working hard to comply. >> absolutely. we are digging out of a deficit, a trump-made deficit for sure. let me talk about the relief bill because one of the other responses that the congress has stepped forward and democrats really took control of this bill to make sure it was not just a give away to the super rich and big corporations but there was a lot in it. you tweeted the following about the $2 trillion relief bill. the $2 trillion passed today doesn't have all the housing and consumer relief in my fc dems financial services committee plan but it was important for congress to act now because so many people were struggling. help is on the way, and there's more to come. we won't stop until we help all americans through this crisis. speaker pelosi is talking about it being a step by step process and there's more to come legislatively. can you talk about what you think the next steps could be

and should be, because as you mentioned a lot of people who are low income still need more relief than even was in this massive bill. >> absolutely and i led the fight to get direct payments to all of your people. i started out as you know with 2,000 per adult, $500 per child. and what happened was that in the senate they kind of locked onto what we were doing but they wanted to change it somewhat and they put $1200 for each adult and $500 for each child i believe. so we've got to do more of that. in addition to that the plan i put out would have given more protection to consumers. we have people who work every day who have minimum wages. when they get laid off, when they get fired they don't have any cushion. they have nowhere to turn, and they need to not only put food on the table. they need to put gasoline in the car. they have debt. and so what i did in my plan was i made sure that number one we took care of all renters.

this plan only takes care of renters that are government assisted. but we have people who are living in units that are owned by landlords, may be units of 6, 12, 18 units and these landlords have mortgages to pay and they need to be paid. we don't want them to evict anybody, but we need to create a facility in which we pay landlords who do not evict. that has to be in the next plan. we make sure we cover those that need that rent assistance. in addition to that i have in my plan that the credit bureaus cannot basically diminish your credit ratings. and so that's not in this plan. also i have in my plan basically paying the bills, credit cards, other kinds of things that low income people have debt that needs to be paid. so we're going to be looking at all of that. we're going to be looking more at our small businesses. i think this plan is very good

for small businesses, but we've got to do more. we have people who provide the catering service for them. i have a woman who called me and she's pretty desperate. i'm going to do everything i can to look utout for these small businesses. we still have people whoor in their homes hungry. we have one woman who called, couldn't take her medicine because she had no food in her home, and so we just took her some food and said here's some food, we're going to get more food to you tomorrow, but today here's enough food for you for a couple of days. take your medicine, don't be sick. and so everybody's working. i'm going to put into the next bill much of what was not covered in this bill. and i know that the president has gotten away with a lot of lying about what is going to

happen with the defense act, and he said that he was going to, first of all, invoke it. he did not. he waited until the heat was on him, and then he lied on some of the big businesses that he had he had an agreement with, that he really didn't have. so the defense production act is extraordinarily important to put in place by those that can give us the supplies that we need. and i want to shout out to the nurses and doctors of the orderlies and all of them who are putting their lives on the line. we appreciate you. we thank you. be as safe and secure as you possibly can, but we honor you for the work you're doing. because if they can go every day and service those who are sick, put themselves at risk, i had to go and take that vote if we had to. luckily we had a voice vote and we were able to get out. i got back on the plane and got right back home so we can do our work here.

>> congresswoman maxine waters, it's always great to talk with you and i know the audience here we had a bit of sound problems but be safe and appreciate it. >> same to you and thank you for keeping the druk beat going. i appreciate you so much. >> thank you so much. have a wonderful evening. well, meanwhile the $2 trillion stimulus bill signed into law yesterday as we mentioned without proper social distancing at the signing ceremony we might add is the largest economic relief package in modern u.s. history. lawmakers say it will protect the economy and those who are struggling financially, but is it enough? ron joins me now, a senior analyst and contributor for cnbc. ron, okay, let's talk about this bill. let's go through what's in it. $1,200 for most adults, $500 for each child, expand unemployment insurance, $100 billion for hospitals, $150 billion for state and local governments, $350 billion for businesses,

$500 billion for corporations. i don't know if you can hear the congresswoman but there's a lot of people despite the huge price tag here are concerned about what's not in the bill, guarantees that people can't be evicted. you just saw what $1.7 trillion pumped into the banking system. should there have been or should there still be that aspect of it, making sure that people who rent their places out can't be, you know, foreclosed upon so that they won't evict people. >> yeah, and i think some of that is already taking place on a state by state basis. governor murphy, for instance, has suggested banks will give forbearance on mortgages, and they're working toward the representer agreement so landlords not receiving rent will get forbearance. whether or not we do this on a national basis state by state remains to be seen. for something put together as quickly as this was with as much bipartisan support as it was you

have to remember also the expanded unemployment insurance benefits are quite notable. despite the fact lindsey graham and others i think just in a ghastly sense tried to block this, $600 a week in extra unemployment insurance from the federal government, that's $2500 a month on top of what you receive from the state, that i think is important. there's no empirical evidence by the way in contrast what was said that temporary assistance discourages work in the long run. there's no economic work on that. and remember in addition to all this the treasury is backed by the federal reserve and creating the capacity for the reserve to lend out as much as $4.5 trillion. it's going to be have to be reworked, states will need more money. there will need to be more protections for low income individuals, and i think congress needs to ensure the president cannot override the transparency and disclosure process around that $500 billion

going to corporations. that's important, too. >> well, and also that he can't find a way to get around the prohibition on himself and his family, getting any money from it. i think that was one of the big concerns. i know i asked every member of congress including senator schumer when he was on my day sideshow asking he wouldn't be able to take money. that's important. but let's talk about that $500 billion. i think for a lot of americans they look at some of these big companies that already got a massive tax break, that took a lot of that tax cut, the bush, ryan, mcconnell tax cut and stuffed it in the pockets of their ceos. they used it to buy back their stock, they in fact did hardly give anything to their workers. they did not use it to hire. it's difficult i think to explain to the average person why those people should have gotten any money at all. why shouldn't they use the money they got back from that tax cut? >> there's some problems here. the money number one has been spent or they borrowed the money

in order to finance the stock buy backs. i was among the people who opposed the trump tax cut on those very grounds. the additional monies, the repatriated profits overseas would be used to buy back dividends and that turned out as you said to be the case. i think now sadly it's too late. do we not prop up the airlines and let them go out of business or renegotiate the contract with their unions or simply bide our luck as much as we hate to do this and make sure our airlines, a crit cleindustry in the united states don't go away. do we prop up boeing with $17 billion being the nation's largest exporter, around 2 million jobs altogether when you take in the providers of parts and services to boeing, do we let them go? it's one of those decisions you never want to have to make, and it's the second time now in ten years we're making decisions like this. this is going to be such a deep

recession however short it may last in a certain sense as we couldn't afford to let the banks fail, we also can't afford to let large corporations fail. there will be strings attached to the money this time around, thank goodness. >> yeah, the super rich are all socialists when they run out of money. it's funny how that works. they think for poor folks it's a moral hazard for but for them it's need. of cnbc thank you for being with us. i want to do a quick bit of breaking news for those of you watching. apparently donald trump has thought better of the idea of quarantining the entire northeast coast. there's a tweet. federal government quarantine will not be necessary. full details were released by the cdc tonight. dude, you didn't have the authority. that's not changing your mind. that's somebody telling you that you can't do that. but anyway however you want to frame it, donald trump. coming up, americas most vulnerable state has one of its

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there are certain parts of the state where you have more sporadic cases and to issue -- to order someone not to be able to earn a paycheck when them going to work is not going to have any effect on what we're doing with the virus, you know, that is something that i think is inappropriate. >> if there was any state that was setup to become a crisis point for the coronavirus outbreak it would be donald trump's new home state of florida. it's america's third most populated state. 20.5% of its residents are over 65 years old. and it contains sumpter county, the county with the highest median age in the entire nation thanks to the villages retirement community. however, governor good sant s, one of donald trump's staunchest allies is still refusing to enact statewide shutdown even as

florida has reported more than 3,800 cases and 55 deaths. including the death of a nurse working at jackson memorial hospital in miami. joining me now is kevin kate, nicky freed, florida's commissioner of agriculture and consumer services, and mariana, tallahassee bureau chief for the miami herald. and i want to start with you first. you attempted to talk with the governor to question him today, and were not allowed to do that, were not allowed to get close enough to ask him questions. can you just tell us what happened and what you wanted to ask him? >> well, just a normal briefing. he's been holding these every day or almost every day. and for, you know, for the most part we have tried to keep a distance and we've second degree them to allow us but keep social distancing. they haven't allowed that so we

decided to just go and arrive today anyway and the governor's staff said, no, you're not allowed in. and instead they had hand selected a handful of other television and other reporters, and basically would not let me go in to ask the governor questions. now, every -- you know, every time that they had a press briefing i had been asking to present my questions in advance. and among them are a basic one, which is as the state continues to anticipate that this virus is going to get worse, the governor has not told us when he sees that happening. so we really have no idea what the peak goal is here, when do they see the capacity need in the hospitals. there have been a number of things we have repeatedly tries to ask them in writing in advance and the governors office

has not been considering our questions. so i broke the rule that i have made for myself, which is basely to try and keep a distance and i showed up today, and they wouldn't let me in. >> and the question i would have and i guess to stay with you just a for moment here is that donald trump today sort of pretended he could quarantine states, which he's now backed off of in a tweet. he didn't have the authority to do it, but he mentioned new york, new jersey and connecticut, the north eastern states, his former home state of new york. he did not mention florida, and this despite the fact that florida is a state at which -- in which you had somebody who was at universal studios and disney world who tested positive for covid-19, went back home to california and passed away. we now have this tragic story of a nurse at one of the largest hospitals in the emergency hospitals in the state in miami

now having died. you also have millions of elderly residents living in florida and not enough tests. according to usa today florida doesn't have enough coronavirus tests and they're asking whether it could be the next epicenter. hospital administrators are now trying to round up testing kits through the private market. it has pitted states against each other, hospital against hospitals, et cetera. and in your reporting is florida up to speed on dealing with this epidemic, this pandemic? >> well, you know, we've been trying to get some specifics out of the governors office. it is very clear they have asked for a lot of tests and at many of the press availabilities the governors had, they be given us a list all the things they were requesting. however, i have heard that because of the demand in other states where the critical need is actually worse in florida at this point, many of the things florida thought it was going to get and by the way of personal

protective equipment and testing kits have gone to other states and so, no, florida does not have what it needs we haven't had anymore health care workers, people on the front lines and there have been people who have told us they had to stop doing tests because they don't have the equipment to protect their workers. so it's very clear that there is a shortage, florida is affected by it. but of course we want to get details, we wanted to get some understanding of that and that's been hard to get. >> yeah, absolutely. commissioner freed, let me go to you on this and here's a quote from the orlando sentinel. leading scientific models show without stronger action and voluntary social distancing covid-19 will hospitalize nearly

200,000 floridians despite there being only 33,000 hospital beds available to the point of no return coming just two weeks noum now the death ofs thousands of floridians may be coming in the following months. this is an op-ed you wrote that was in the orlando sentinel. talk about the risks in florida because beyond the cruise ships disney which has now closed, the beaches which was slow to close, this was an agricultural state and people are often without a lot of money, poor, people who probably don't have a lot of health care. just talk about the unique threats that you see to the state of florida. >> yeah, absolutely. let's start off with the fact when you go to doctor and you're sick your doctor gives you a full prescription, you don't take it to get past the illness, you take the full amount. and that what florida needs to do. we need to stay at home, make sure we're doing everything possible to stop the curve, and

as you just esaid, you heard it the experts are united in order to stop this curve and lessen the exposure for our citizens, we have to stay at home. so i would love to know what exactly governor desantis knows that the other 21 states doesn't, but you're absolutely correct. we have an elderly population that is just as much at risk as italy, and we can't afford to be new york, to be the next new york. so what i want to say right now is to tell the governor it's time to be honest with the people. it's time to be transparent with the press, and it's time to change course because we don't have time. time is up and lives are at risk. and we are extremely vulnerable here in our state. and as i've said, we only have 200,000 -- excuse me, 30,000 beds, potentially 200,000 people that need to be hospitalized. so you do the math. and i just have heard people all across our state and hospitals that they don't have enough equipment. >> yeah, absolutely. and, you know, kevin, the

current governor ron desantis i think he ran for office putting his child in a trump onsie to show his loyalty to him had some of the same i think donor friends lev and igor show up in his life as well as donald trump's. but in addition to that he seems quite celebbratory under the previous governor the state of florida did not expand obamacare, did not expand medicaid. can you talk a little about the risks there because florida has one of the largest populations of insured people in the country. >> identify, you're right. florida is constantly raking in almost last place for medicaid spending. remember medicaid this is pregnant women, children, the elderly, these are people who can least afford the health care they need. and in a moment right now you saw commissioner freed -- we're lucky to have commissioner freed and what she did was

overcommunicate, which is exactly what previous governors have done successfully. jeb bush, governor charlie chris, during crisis, during hurricanes you overcommunicate. and that's not happening right now. and what the real tragedy is you've got health care workers, our delivery folks, you've got people all over the state begging for leadership. and they're getting nothing out of tallahassee. and it's almost kind of ron desantis is more afraid of the wrath of donald trump than the wrath of florida voters because it's coming. it's coming. and you can't be the vice governor of florida without donald trump. you have to be a leader in an emergency and commissioner freed is right, we need a stay at home order in the state. >> what's shocking as someone who lived in florida for 14 years even under republican governors florida was always known as a state that knew how to deal with disasters, knew how to deal with emergencies, mostly hurricanes to the point where jeb bush's hurricane zar was picked up by president obama

because florida typically is known at being quite good at this. what is breaking down here in florida? is it just the lack of leadership from the governor? is it attitude by trying to placate donald trump by not reacting the way even the governor of ohio is or governor of new york? what is happening from your point of view? >> i think a combination of all of that. you're seeing a lack of leadership and not having a directive coming from the governor. and it's making our local elected officials, our county mayors and city mayors having to step up and have this piecemeal approach. the spread isn't going to reduce the curve and so we're looking for leadership. look, this is not a partisan issue. as you just said the state of florida comes together in times of crisis. it's now state before party. and look, i hope the governor is correct and is right, but hope isn't a policy. but if he is wrong we are putting thousands of individuals

in harms way and potentially lives at risk, but, yes, this is lack of leadership coming out of tallahassee and people are nervous. people are scared. they want leadership and thank god for a lot of our local officials and a lot of the businesses across our state that are closing down and doing a lot of this on their own. but it's nerve-wracking for a lot of our citizens and confusing. you've got ordinances in the city of miami that is different than the county. you've got ordinances in broward county different than a lot of the cities. and so people don't know exactly what to do. stay at home, don't stay at home, going to work, they're getting a lot of information. it's critical that the governor is transparent, showing leadership and showing empathy to what is going on across our state. i'm talking to so many of our small businesses and medical providers across our state, and they're being overwhelmed. they don't know what's next. there's no clear path. every day is a hodgepodge of

policy being put into place, and that's not what the state of florida needs. state of florida needs decisive leadership. we need to be staying at home. we all need to be doing this together because we don't have time to waste. >> >> well said. be safe. up next, to the horrific conditions unraveling in louisiana. every box has a mission: to protect everything inside from everything outside. that is where the true glory lies. when what's inside matters, [ doorbell rings ] ...count on boxes. paper and packaging. how life unfolds.

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i spoke to the president about the ship coming up, and the foresights. i didn't speak to him about any quarantine. i don't even know what that means. i don't know how that could be legally enforceable. and from a medical point of view, i don't know what you would be ash plishing. but i can tell you, i just -- i don't even like the sound of it. >> good evening, and welcome back. well, governor cuomo didn't know what donald trump was talking

about. and apparently neither does donald trump. just last hour, he reversed course on a threat to quarantine new york, new jersey and connecticut. a half baked idea that caused millions of people to prematurely freak out for nothing. it's not unlike when he told the country we would be open for business by easter only to once again be forced to backtrack. he's asked the cdc to issue a strong travel advisory that a quarantine will not be necessary. thanks for that. cuomo and trump spoke earlier today about the u.s. navy ship comfort which is on its way to new york. trump somehow failed to mention this quarantine idea. cuomo's daily press conferences have been a source of reassurance and leadership, not only for new yorkers but really for the entire country. donald trump's daily briefings are something other than that, and have been compared to his

signature rallies than informative presidential communications that help the public protect themselves during this pandemic. today trump chose another opportunity to soothe himself rather than the public with a fun photo op in front of a big ship, well done, sir. joining me now is madeleine dean. congresswoman dean, thank you for being here. glad we cleared up, we brought on a constitutional lawyer to debunk the idea that donald trump could quarantine states just in case they had questions. he's been told that he cannot do that, so he's doing a strong advisory from the cdc instead. what do you make of these reversals that trump keeps doing on the things he says he's going to do and the advice he's giving the public? >> thank you for having me on tonight. >> i guess what i leaned upon is what you heard nancy pelosi say from the floor of the house yesterday, and she said it over and over to our