they are not honest people. but that's okay. but they can't help it. but even they said that the ratings are like monday night football ratings, and that these are like "bachelor" finale. i have no idea what happened because i'm too busy working. some day they'll tell me what happened. no, i think it's terrible. when they don't want the president of the united states to have a voice, you're not talking about democracy any longer. please. thank you very much. >> you talked a lot about -- thanks, mr. president. you talked a lot about concerns of leaving [ inaudible ] for so long. was there any dissent from your top economic advisors ain your decision to leave the guidelines in place until the end of april? >> no, and this is before we heard the 2.2 million people. i mean, we had a lot of people were saying maybe we shouldn't do anything. just ride it.

they say ride it like a cowboy. just ride it, ride that sucker right through. that's where the 2.2 million people come in. would have died maybe, but it would have been 1.6 to 2.2. and that's not acceptable. but there are a lot of people that said, i thought about it. i said, maybe we should ride it through. you always hear about the flu. i talk about it all the time. we had a bad flu season. we're in the midst of a bad flu season. you know we had a bad season last year as an example, a bad flu season. and you have 35, 36, 37,000 people die, sometimes more, sometimes less. but this is different. and part of this is the unknown and part of it also is the viciousness of it. i had a friend who went to a hospital the other day. he's a little older and he's heavy, but he's a tough person. and he went to the hospital and a day later he's in a coma.

i call. how's he doing? sir, he's in a coma. he's unconscious. he's not doing well. the speed and the viciousness, especially if it gets the right person, it's horrible. it's really horrible. please, go ahead. >> thanks. mr. president, this may be good for some of the advisors as well. we heard rumors louisiana is going to get hit hard next. there's a possibility that mardi gras -- have you seen data to back that up, whether it's contributing to the spike in louisiana? >> i don't think it's a rumor. it's a fact. louisiana has been hit hard. louisiana is an example. it started off with nobody for so long. i spoke to the governor. but deborah or tony, either of y you if you'd like to talk. >> you know, i think you heard us talk about a week ago we were very worried about the numbers and how they were increasing in louisiana, how they were increasing in cook county, how they were increasing in dear

borne and detroit. those are areas we're still watching carefully. like president said, when people get this virus, some people do very poorly. and when certain metro areas get exposed to the virus, we see this really very rapid expansion of the virus. we think it may have been circulating there a couple of weeks. we don't like to -- i don't like to look backwards, i only like to look forwards and really -- we are putting all of our effort into ensuring that the people of new orleans, the people of the detroit region sort -- frankly, the people of new york. some of the fastest-growing counties are not new york itself. new york city, when you look at per 100,000, it's rockland. it's bergen. so, i mean, these are all -- all of these places are people that have transited through cities and that's why we really did want the travel advisory just to really warn people to watch out for their own health, to really

take their temperatures. and so it can go from 50, 100, 500 cases, the next thing you know it's 2000, 4,000, it's 10,000. and because it then gets across all communities, people get very sick. >> you know, you made the comment about new orleans. this can happen anywhere, and that's really one of the issues we're concerned about. and why we were so reluctant to pull back at a time when we need to put our foot on the gas as opposed to on the brake. and as with dr. birx said, this is exactly what you see. there are a number of communities, cities, states, what have you out there, in which they're trickling along like that. don't get complacent about that because that's exactly the way the virus works. it goes like this, then like this, and then it goes up like that. that's exactly what happened in new orleans. that's what happened in a terrible way with new york. that's what we're trying to

avoid in multiple locations throughout the country. so we shouldn't take any solace when we see low levels in different states, different cities, different areas because they're very vulnerable to an explosion. >> and, mr. president, last question from me, sir. just real quick. i asked the vice-president a week ago, i think we talked about it last week as well. you took the test that first time. i remember that, and i think you took it last week, mr. vice-president. have you had a chance to take it again? does it get easier the second time around? how are you feeling? >> i think i'm waiting for that little 45-minute test. i sort of like that. now it's down to 5 minutes, i understand. but, no, i haven't. but i think i will take it again if it's appropriate. i don't feel there's any symptoms. i don't notice -- have you noticed any sniffles? nothing, right. so far i haven't felt that way. but you know, there was a big strong point made originally. i think it still holds. take the test if you need it. if you have the symptoms. if you don't, don't take it. that's put out by the professionals. so i don't have -- i would take

it. i just wanted to say one thing also about what tony had mentioned. so, i grew up in queens, new york, and right next to a place called elmhurst queens. and they have a hospital that's a very good hospital, elmhurst hospital. i've known it, i've known where it is. i can tell you the color on the outside, the size of the windows. i mean, i know it very well, right. i was near my community where i lived and i've been watching that for the last week on television, body bags all over in hallways. i've been watching them bring in trailer trucks, freezer trucks. they're freezer trucks because they can't handle the bodies, there are so many of them. this is in my, essentially in my community in queens, queens, new york. i've seen things that i've never seen before. i mean, i've seen them, but i've seen them in television on far away lands. i've never seen them in our country. elmhurst hospital, unbelievable

people. i mean, when i see the trucks pull up to take out bodies -- and these are trucks that are as long as the rose garden and they're pulling up to take out bodies. and you look inside and you see the black body bags. you say, what's in there? it's elmhurst hospital. must be supplies. it's not supplies, it's people. i've never seen anything like it. so we're doing -- these people are doing a fantastic job, and somebody else who is doing a fantastic job is sitting here who is the head of the task force and i just maybe want to finish off because i'd like to ask mike, what do you think about what we've done and where do you think we're going and how do you feel also -- and you studied this so closely. how do you feel about the curve and the june 1st date? and that's a very -- that's aspirational, but i think that's really modified aspirational because i think we're going to hit it. and maybe we'll even beat it. okay? mike, please.

>> thank you, mr. president. and let me just join you in thanking the american people for the efforts that the people of this nation have made over the past 15 days, and that we know they will continue to make over the next 30. you heard the president speak today about the modelling. and on tuesday he will share with the nation a full range of council, of the team he assembled at the white house coronavirus task force. we'll layout to the country what could have been, what we're continuing to work to make a reality. but in the meantime, every american -- i think every american should have a grateful heart. first and foremost, all the incredible health care workers that are on the front lines at places like elmhurst and elsewhere. every single day. as dr. birx said, getting just a

few hours of sleep and going right back into work. i mean, they are the hands and feet of american compassion and i want to say on behalf of your president and on behalf of a grateful nation that we are with you. we're going to continue to work tirelessly with these outstanding leaders at fema to make sure that you have the protective equipment to be able to do your job safely and go home to your family. we're going to continue to work with these incredible distributors. literally, the aircraft that landed at jfk this morning is the first of 51 aircraft that are going to be coming in from around the world, and it's all headed to support our health care workers and people that are on the front lines. but also, mr. president, i want to say thank you to american businesses whose generosity is shining forth every day. the two insurance companies that you mentioned have waived copays and are providing full coronavirus coverage to

americans for the full treatment that people that are enduring this virus are experiencing. but american businesses -- >> all right. we are going to get out of this press conference for now. i'm joined bayou gene robinson of the washington post who has been listening along with me. i think the big news out of this is the president said the peak and death rates are likely to hit in two weeks. remember, two weeks was the day that he had decided he wanted to open up america. he's now saying the peak in death rates is likely to hit in two weeks. didn't cite any statistics that would tell him why that's the case, but it does indicate that this idea that america is going to remain shutdown will continue until the end of april now, april 30th is the day the president is using versus april 12th, which he had been using. but, you eugene, there's a lot of misleading stuff that was in there, including a new number that the president has repeated several times. he had fauci talk about it. he had dr. birx talk about it. 2.2 million people, and he keeps talking about how if we hadn't

done anything, 2.2 million people were going to die of coronavirus in the united states. he actually very specifically said, we had a lot of people saying we shouldn't do anything, just ride it. ride it like a cowboy. eugene, i don't know because we weren't at every meeting. i didn't hear anybody say ride it like a cowboy. i heard people saying, i think we have to take this seriously. if we look at what's happening in wuhan and italy, this thing is coming our way. this administration didn't seem to be taking it seriously on numerous occasions. now the president is using the bar of 2.2 million dead if no one had done anything, which no thinking person was calling for to happen, eugene. >> yeah, no one was calling out for that. that was never going to happen. so, you know, it's clear what happened happened, right? we can't just be -- in fact, the president at first did not take this seriously, compared it to

the flu and didn't really want to make a big deal of it. and certainly didn't want to shutdown the economy. but he did. he got, you know, got to the point of the 15-day social distancing, so i really think the big news from today is that, you know, we're going to be home for another month. the month of april, the country is essentially going to continue shutdown, and that is a big deal. and beyond that the president spoke of june 1st as a date when perhaps we'll be getting back to normal, leaving open the question of what happens to that month in the middle, may. but if you kind of fill that in with the imagination, you can imagine that that is projected to be a time when maybe things gradually open up place by place as the wave of infection hits

various communities and then dies down in various communities, the peak in new york, for example, is supposed to be -- is even coming before the peak, say, in los angeles. so you can imagine that sort of process happening in may. but, you know, from that standpoint, i think this is by far the newsiest of these briefings we've had since the ones two weeks ago in which it was announced that the sort of st stay-at-home guidelines would take place for 15 days. i think there was news -- >> yeah, the idea that we now have april 30th, this april 12th thing seems to have gone by the wayside. reopen by easter. the president now talking about the peak in deaths happening by two weeks from now. the country essentially staying closed or at least the closures in place, staying in place until april 30th. and as you said by june, the president saying -- expecting some normalcy. eugene, as always, my friend, thank you for being here with me. that wraps up my coverage. i'm going to hand it over to my

colleague kasie hunt. kasie, there was this added matter of the president discussing some supplies that had gone missing. we're still trying to run that down to understand what he's talking about. there seem to be some allegation that hospitals in new york are hoarding masks and supplies. he didn't substantiate that despite being asked several times by some of our colleagues there, so we're trying to get to the bottom of that. but otherwise over to you, my friend. >> i think a very good point, ali. we are going to be keeping a close eye on the reporting we're doing as teams try to figure out yet again we are fact checking this president in real time. ali, thank you very much. it has been, of course, a pretty grim day. anthony fauci said the u.s. could see between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths as a result of covid-19. and at the briefing that we just saw, we heard that again from dr. fauci, but we also heard from the president himself. watch. >> if we could hold that down as

we're saying to 100,000 -- it's a horrible number -- maybe even less, but to 100,000. so we have between 100,000 and 200,000. we all together have done a very good job. >> and joining me now is the director of the harvard global health institute. dr. jah. thank you very much for being on the program tonight. i want to start with this estimate we've heard today from dr. fauci and again from the president of the united states that we could expect between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths from this virus if we continue to do everything right. does this estimate fit with all of the data and the evidence that you've seen about how this is spreading across the country? >> yes. thank you for having me. and those are grim numbers. and 100,000 to 200,000 americans dying from this disease t was completely unnecessary, but here

we are and looking forward. if we do a good job moving forward, and that requires social distancing finally getting our testing up and running and getting our hospitals ready, yeah, that is within the sort of range of what we might experience. no one should feel solace that that's great, a great job done. that is a completely horribly high number. >> do you think that this was potentially avoidable? does the number that looks like this put us at the very top of the list of countries dealing with this crisis? >> oh, it was completely avoidable. and, look, we all know that for two months our government didn't take it seriously. we know that. that's been sort of -- that's a well-known, well established. even in the last few weeks as the reality has become very, very obvious to most americans, there are still political leaders who have not taken it

seriously. we still had spring breakers in florida who probably have now spread those infections across the country. we still haven't gotten our hospitals ready. so i'm hoping that this press conference marks a turning point where everybody begins to take it seriously. i think a majority of americans have, but there have been too many political leaders who have still been acting like this is not a serious problem. >> yeah, we've got a chart up right now. we did a second ago for our viewers, showing those trend lines that you mentioned with florida creeping up at that same rate that we've seen from new york. and i know we somewhere have a picture as recently as yesterday, the day before as some of these counties have tried to close with people still on the beaches. so, the other piece of news, dr. jha, of the press conference, the president extending the social distancing recommendations through april 30th. we know he had previously said, oh, by easter, the pews will be filled with people and america

will be back to normal. that, of course, april 12th. that no longer, it doesn't seem, part of the picture. do you think april 30th gives us a realistic time frame to try and get this under control? >> you know, i'm reminded of a line dr. fauci said a couple of weeks ago which i think is perfect. he said, we don't get to make the time line, the virus makes the time line. so i think all of us knew that april 12th, easter was just unrealistic. is april 30th realistic? well, it all depends on what we do. if we get very serious about social distancing, if we really ramp up testing and develop an extensive testing plan, then, yeah, there are parts of the country that might be able to open up by april 30th. but it's if we do all those things. if we sit around and don't do those things and act like this is business as usual, april 30th won't be a realistic time line. >> and just to follow-up very quickly before i let you go,

doctor, how do people who currently live in communities that have not yet or it doesn't seem have yet to be touched by this, what do we need them to do? how do we need them to act in this period to protect everyone? >> so, the key thing that this virus has taught us is that the time between when you act and when you see the results of those actions is two to three weeks. so, the flip side of that is you may be living in a community where there is not much virus and -- or not that you're aware of because we may not be doing much testing. you may feel like things are fine, i'm going to go about my regular day. but by the time the case loads start rising, by the time the emergency departments and icus get full, it's really late in the ball game. we know this virus is spreading across every community in america. so i think it's extremely important that everybody take it seriously, implement social distancing, and then we start testing much more broadly across the country to figure out where the country really is.

>> all right. dr. ashish jha, thank you very much for your time tonight, my friend, on another difficult night as we try to grapple with this crisis. >> thank you. >> thank you. just in from new york city, 104 people have died since yesterday. joining me now, democratic senator kirsten gillibrand of new york. senator gillibrand, thanks for being here amid another very difficult night of news for your state. i just want to start by asking you about the president's news conference. and my colleague ali velshi mentioned he made this claim that there seemed to be masks that are disappearing from new york, perhaps out a back door, he suggested. we want to make sure he pointed out he suggested this without any evidence. we are, of course, working to fact check those claims. but yi was hoping to get your response to what the president had to say along those lines. >> i think his allegations about

new york hospitals were beyond absurd. i talk to most of our hospital heads throughout new york city and the state and i can tell you their hospital personnel are the heroes of this moment. they are working 24/7 to save lives. they're begging for ventilators, masks, gowns, supplies. i have one of the suny schools making masks for an upstate hospital because they were out of masks several days ago. for president trump not to understand this is a highly contagious virus so all medical workers are going to need to wear masks every day the entire time they are in the hospital environment, that is a significant change to the reality of any hospital before this virus. so common sense would dictate they will be using multitudes of masks beyond what they would normally be using. >> senator, he also talked about -- he doesn't normally talk about the fact that he did grow up in queens, but he talked

about the elmhurst hospital which has really been at the center of so much of this crisis as it has unfolded in new york city. they have been really struggling with this outbreak, and we've seen very difficult pictures, including some of refrigerated trucks. the president spoke about seeing those trucks, about seeing the body bags inside the trucks. i just wonder, as you listen to him talk about this, what is your reaction and what have you seen as a senator on the ground in new york city? >> so, a lot of our workers are emergency workers, are absolute critical workers. they're terrified. to work in a hospital and don't have the protective gear you need to serve patients, i've heard stories of first responders who are in tears, who are very concerned about their well-being, and their ability to

do their job. so president trump has really not led this country appropriately over the last few months. he did not plan or prepare for this epidemic in the way he should have. he should have had the 9 million masks that were in reserve by our military sent in to communities immediately, about a million of those masks have been released. the ventilators, about 2000 of the military's ventilators have been released. there's thousands more that should be released. he should have implemented the defense production act far earlier, urging our best manufacturers to make the things that our first responders and critical workers need. and so now we have governors, thank goodness, and mayors who are standing up and doing the right thing and providing for their states and working with local providers to get the supplies they need to protect their constituents. >> you mentioned ventilators that are still locked up, and we know

know the federal government has sent some ventilators to new york. do you think the trump administration is using politics to make those decisions about who gets ventilators or not? >> i certainly hope not. this is not a time for politics. this is a time for leadership, and strong leadership. president trump has not shown that. he has continually misstated facts, tried to politicize the environment we're in, trying to pit one part of the country against another part of the country. i've never imagined a president would do such a corrosive and dangerous thing, but the rest of us are trying to do our jobs every day, advocating for the resources that our first responders, our hospital personnel, our grocery store clerks, our men and women working at pharmacies, that they can get protective gear as well. they are the front lines. and for all new yorkers and all of your viewers, kasie, this is a battle we are all needed to participate in. each one of us can do something to protect the vulnerable.

we can stay home. we can wash our hands. we cannot visit people who are vulnerable. call people who are vulnerable. make sure you're calling the elderly if they need soap, they need food, drop them off at their doorstep. these are the kinds of things to block any transmission of covid-19 is a success, that is a win. those are the wins we should be counting. and each of us have a role to play. we're all very important in this fight against covid-19. >> senator kirsten gillibrand, thank you so much. i'm sure we will have an ongoing conversation here, not just about all the things unspooling from the phase 3 legislation that you passed, but from the potential phase 4 and much more. thank you very much for your time tonight. our hearts with with all of your fellow new yorkers. we are just getting started here tonight. senator amy klobuchar is pushing for remote voting for senators. her husband is in recovery after being hospitalized with covid-19. she joins us live.

plus, louisiana is among the top areas in the world for the rate of spread of this disease. congressman cedric richmond joins me live to talk about how his community is coping with yet another disaster. but first congressman joe cunningham joins me live as he recovers from coronavirus. he said like many, he's lost his sense of taste and smell. "kasie d.c." back after this. let's go to a commercial. nooooooo! not another commercial! when you bundle your home, auto and life insurance with allstate you could save 25%. in fact, the more you bundle the more you can save. put the other game on if it's important to you allstate can protect it. ...home auto and life insurance you could save 25%. if it's important to you allstate can protect it. what? bundle and save with allstate. click or call for a quote today. but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr, a once-daily pill for adults with moderate

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this week congress passed a $2 trillion stimulus package to combat a virus that some of them are confronting in the most personal of ways. two more members of the house tested positive for the coronavirus, and at least a dozen remain in self-isolation out of an abundance of caution. joining me now is congressman joe cunningham of south carolina who revealed that he tested positive on friday. congressman, thank you so much for coming on the program tonight. let me just start by asking you, how are you feeling? what has this disease been like for you? we've been thinking about you and pulling for you. >> i appreciate it, kasie. first of all, i feel great. you know, i don't have any symptoms at the moment. what triggered this was my lack of taste and smell, which happened about ten days ago or so. and i think that's probably the most concerning part about this coronavirus, is the fact that, you know, a lot of folks may have elevated fever or body aches, whatnot, and some people

may have a lack of taste and smell which we just recently learned is an indicator of having coronavirus. and i fall in that latter category. so i think the scary part is that you may have a lot of people walking around who may not have the traditional symptoms, but still may be carrying coronavirus but may be spreading it to others. fortunately i'm in quarantine and i will be through the end of the month per the doctor's orders. >> so, can you walk us through -- i mean, there are a lot of americans out there who are having a really hard time getting tested. that has still been a hallmark for us in trying to grapple with this. what prompted you to get a test? how are you able to access a test? what was that process like for you? >> we have a great community here. the medical university of south carolina has been incredible, so we simply log on to musc.care, report our symptoms. and if you have the symptoms that trigger a test, then they'll get you in there for

testing. and that just happened to be the case for me. i was getting ready to head back up to d.c. for this vote, the $2 trillion supplemental funding package for coronavirus. i reported the fact i had some of these symptoms that have recently come on people's radars, lack of taste, lack of smell. these have recently kind of developed. as we continue to learn more about the coronavirus and its symptoms. so that triggered a test on my behalf. i tested, it came back positive, and that's what, you know, that's where the decision came to quarantine myself for the remainder of the month. >> did you do any contact tracing? i mean, do you know where you might have gotten this virus? obviously we've been reporting on some of your other colleagues who have been afflicted by this as well, including at least one who was hospitalized. do you have any idea where it came from in your case? >> i mean, not really, no. i got the order from the attending physician because i

came in contact with another member who tested positive for it. but that goes to show you how, i guess how broad the impacts of coronavirus is. i mean, i have a colleague of mine, ben mcadams who is a good friend of mine who spent some time in the hospital because of the side effects and the effects of coronavirus. myself, i have not been hospitalized. like i said, the only impact it's had has been lack of taste, lack of smell. and i think that's just a warning shot to americans everywhere that this virus has broad implications and, you know, you have to be socially responsible and recognize that even if you're young and healthy and you may carry this, you could pass it along to older people who may be more susceptible to it. that would be my biggest warning to viewers here that just because, you know, you may not get knocked down by it does not mean that it cannot knock down someone else who is more susceptible to it. >> it's a very important point. before i let you go, let me ask you about the content of that

$2.2 trillion package that congress passed. are you happy with the balance that it struck between helping workers directly and helping the companies that employ many of those workers? or do you think that potentially congress is going to have to do more toe get that right? >> let me answer your second question first. i think there's going to be more to come. i think the impacts of this are untold at the moment, but i think this is a good start. i think this is a good start in putting money back in the hands of people who have already lost it. and my biggest focus here in the low country in south carolina, from charleston all the way down to hilton head, is making sure people who are most impacted by this -- those in the tourism industry, those in the food and bev industry have the resources they need. and i think this goes a long way with that in opening up sometime restaurants on king street or opening up some of our tourism places down in hilton head or mount pleasant or al palm.

cuba. we have got a robust industry here in the low country. these are the people being most hit by this pandemic. and i said i think it's a step in the right direction. is it enough? i think we'll get to that as we proceed further. >> congressman joe cunningham, thank you so much. we wish you a speedy recovery. we are thinking about you and, of course, all of your constituents in south carolina. when we return, phil rucker and susan page are going to join me live to talk about the president going after the press corps once again. plus in just a few minutes the governor of kansas joins me live as she orders her state to stay at home. and later, how two instructors in tennessee turned their high school lab into a coronavirus testing facility that can get results in four hours. "kasie d.c." back after this. ♪ limu emu & doug

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new york is a bigger deal, but it's going to go also. but i have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are bigger that not they're going to be. i don't believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. you know, you go into major

hospitals sometimes, they'll have two ventilators. and now all of a sudden they're saying, can we order 30,000 vajts. ventilators. >> that was president trump on fox news on thursday saying he doesn't believe new york needs the 30,000 ventilators that governor andrew cuomo has called for. and here's pbs news hour white house correspondent yamiche alcindor asking the president about that comment at his briefing just moments ago. >> you said repeatedly you think some of the equipment governors are requesting, they don't actually need. you said new york might not need 30,000 -- >> i didn't say that. >> you said it on sean hannity's fox news. >> why don't you people -- let me say, why don't you act in a little more positive. >> my question to you -- >> get you, get you. you know what, that's why nobody trusts the media any more. that's why -- >> how is that going to impact -- >> excuse me, you didn't hear me. th that's why you used to work for the times, now you work for

somebody else. >> mr. president, the question is -- >> don't be threatening. be nice. when journalists get up, you're a fine journalists. when journalists get up and ask questions that are so threatening -- >> i was quoting you from your interview with sean hannity. >> take a look at my interview. what i want to do is if there is something wrong, we have to get to the bottom of it. when i hear face masks go from 10,000 to 300,000 and they constantly need more, and the biggest man in the business is like shocked -- he knows all about the virus, by the way. he's not surprised by that. he knows all about it. he shouldn't be surprised. he should say, that's standard because this is really a very tough disease. this is really a very tough virus to handle. okay, please, go ahead. >> mr. president, my second question -- >> thank you very much. >> mr. president, my second question -- >> please, please -- that's enough. >> mr. president -- >> that's enough. that's not fair to your other reporters. >> there you saw them physically taking the microphone away from

my colleague in the press corps yamiche alcindor. joining me, washington bureau chief and analyst philip rucker and usa today susan paige, thank you both for being here tonight. phil, let me start with you. first, i'm interested in your take on what just happened there with yamiche, but also broadly the president deciding today to extend this stay-at-home guidance through at least april 30th. it seems that perhaps maybe he has finally gotten the message. >> i think that's right. you know, this was a real retreat for president trump because for the last week we've been hearing him tout easter as a possible time for when the economy could be reopened and really adamant about the desire to get businesses open, get people back in the streets, at work, at restaurants, and so forth. even in the face of real strong opposition from public health officials and from a number of governors around the country who have been studying the science and trusting the science.

now, that exchange with yamiche, let me just say yamiche alcindor is a consummate professional. she is a world class journalist. we know her very w. she is a friend of this show. she also gets under president's skin because she asks probing and direct questions time and again at the briefings. we've seen the president react to her, lash out at her. and what happened today was really uncalled for on his part. he didn't even let her get her question out before he started to personally attack her and the press corps. >> and, susan paige, let's just pick up on why yamiche was asking this question, because the president was raising questions about whether andrew cuomo needs the ventilators that he says he needs. there is no reason not to think that new york is not going to need these 30,000 ventilators, and yet the president had no interest in engaging on that question. >> and, of course, press conferences are not campaign rallies. reporters are not hired to be nice. they are hired and employed to ask questions, sometimes tough

questions, questions that hold officials accountable. and the number one way you can hold an official accountable is to quote what he said before back to him and ask about how things are going. now, does the statement hold up? was he right? is he telling the truth? these are the things that reporters do and it makes presidents mad. no president really likes the reporters who cover him, i think, but the level of disrespect and the lack of understanding, i think, about the role of the press is quite remarkable here. also to your other point, the president made an extraordinary charge here. he suggested that hospitals in new york are either hoarding or selling -- he said maybe they're going out the back door, masks and other equipment that are being delivered to them. so far as i know, there is no evidence of that. the president did not provide any evidence to back that up. he suggested we should look into it. >> right. we have been underscoring that repeatedly here. i want to pickup on the point

you made about political campaign rallies, the fact that that's not what's going on in these press conferences. i want to show a little bit of an ad that joe biden, of course, still running for president even as the campaign has been pushed to the bottom of our rundowns and off of our television screens. he is, of course, still approaching things in that context. and the biden campaign put this out over the course of the last couple days. watch. >> i say, mike, don't call the governor of washington. you're wasting your time with him. >> here in washington state tonight, 175 people have now died. 3700 more are sick. >> don't call the woman in michigan. >> governor gretchen whitmer officially calling on president trump for a major disaster declaration in michigan. >> michigan is now 2800. >> governor of washington -- >> you know what i said? if they don't treat you right, i don't call.

>> phil rucker, quite an ad from the joe biden campaign amid all of this. of course, we know that the president's approval rating has also been ticking upward as often happens in a crisis. >> yeah, that's right, kasie. it was a really striking ad from the biden campaign, although totally expected because i think we all, when we watched that news briefing that the president gave on friday and he made that really startling comment about governors and effectively saying he expects their public praise for his job performance if he sends federal resources to their states, you knew that would appear in the campaign ads between now and november. i just didn't know it would come out so immediately from the biden campaign. but that is a statement that trump is going to have to be dealing with in the weeks and months ahead to try to explain. >> well, susan paige, the state of michigan going to be a critical battle ground come november no matter what happens

with all of this and what we're grappling with now. and the president has had a difficult relationship, to say the least, with the michigan governor, repeatedly belittling her as she has tried to stand up for her state. >> and you see these governors i think having a dilemma in that if they have criticisms about what the president has said or what the federal government is doing, they risk actually having substantive repercussions for the people in their state. i saw the governor of colorado interviewed earlier today declining to take the bait over concerns about what the federal government was doing and what the president said. he said his first agenda was to get help for the people of colorado. this is not the way things usually work in times of national crisis like this. this overlay or this suggestion of an overlay of president trump politics.

it's not likely to go away because we are, of course, in the extraordinarily in the election year as we deal with this pandemic. >> for sure. phil rucker, susan paige, it's lovely to see both of you, if not in person, our socially distanced remotes. i really do appreciate you taking the time. i hope you both stay safe. joining me now, though, from kansas, speaking of governors, we have governor laura kelly. kansas becomes the 23rd state to issue a stay-at-home order this weekend. as governor kelly says her state has not gotten what they needed from the federal government. governor, let's pick up right there. he we showed a little of what the president had to say at his press conference that he wanted you and other governors to be appreciative if, in fact, you wanted help from him. what was your response or reaction to that statement? >> well, i have been very

fortune to sort of stay off the radar, and so i am going to try to keep it that way. we are -- we have our emergency management folks and our public health officials working very closely with fema and the cdc in trying to address our needs through that avenue. we actually have gotten our allotment of the federal stockpile of equipment. it is not enough, so we are having to go out on the private market and try to find companies that can equip us as we need to be. so we're just trying to do what we need to do to take care of kansans. >> are you running into the problem other governors have articulated when you try to go out and find those ventilators on the private market? some governors have said they had a contract in hand, they thought they were coming in and all of a sudden the contract

simply evaporated. or do you feel like you're having some success bringing the equipment you need into kansas? >> well, our issue right now is not ventilators, but we do have the same problem everybody else has with masks and personal protective equipment is probably our biggest issue along with having adequate number of tests to do the testing we should be doing. so, yeah, we are running into that. we are facing a fair amount of price gouging going on as these supplies are in demand. and so we are doing what we can to battle that. it would be helpful if these were routed through the feds, because then it would be just one customer rather than us having to compete against you know 49 other states. her states so president trump said in some cases where there is a governor he is frustrated with, he sends

vice president mike pence to speak with them. have you been personally in touch with either the vice president or the president, himself, over the last week about what you need? >> no not directly. personally, you know, we do have a weekly call with the white house and i've expressed some concerns via that method. but, no, i have not personally talked with either the president or the vice president. i have talked with our congressional folks, though. i was on the phone yesterday with senator pat roberts and i expressed some of the concerns that i have to him. and i think he's going to take that message back for me. >> all right. governor laura kelly. thank you very much. and god speed as you try and deal with this crisis across your state. across the country, rural communities are grappling with how to test for coronavirus in a process that can take upwards of

a week to get any answers. but in chattanooga, tennessee who high school instructors took matters into their own hands. now, incredibly, they're using their school's laboratory to drop the wait time from days to 4 hours. joining me live from the baylor school in tense temperatures, ph.d. research scientist dawn richards and elizabeth forester. thank you so much for taking the time and come on the program tonight. let me start by simply asking, how did you come one in idea and how did you get it execute ed? thank you for having us. well, elizabeth had the idea. we realized we had the research equipment available and we knew the techniques and when the emergency use operation made the kits, so-called kits available. we talked to each other on a saturday morning and said we can do this. let's go for it.

>> so elizabeth, let me ask you then when you were sort of -- you know i think all of us have been sitting at home as we try to socially distance feeling frustrated that we can't do more and, clearly, you were in a position to take those feelings and so something about it. >> yeah, well, like dahn was saying, we have a pretty robust scientific research program here at baylor and we are through really a wonderful endowment have purchased equipment that you would find in any other research laboratory and so we just decided we can do this we have the ability, the expertise, really i started a conversation with several people in our community. i can't thank mary katherine robbins, a member of our department of little health here at baylor. we had several conversations and we said, let's try it. and so, we've had this report of our board and just through various conversations, we said,

we're going to give this a shot and it's worked out for us. >> so, elizabeth, how many tests are you doing per day now? >> right now, we are currently contacted by the health department. they recently started working with the local hospitals to get specimens sent our way. our most recent run, we did about 35 from various hospitals in our community. >> wow, dawn, can you help us understand, i know people who personally had tests had to wait perhaps over a week to get those results back, which is obviously concerning for them, for their families, for the extended group of people they may have been in contact with. why if you guys you know are able to do this and be sprappy about it -- scrappy about it and get it together, why is the government failing so dramatically to do it for everybody?

>> well, that is kind of a loaded question, but i will say that you know this is the test that everyone is using. you know we looked at scaling up and buying some larger equipment. i found out our vendors had been shiping a lot of those pieces of equipment overseas. it's a research technique. i think the delay has come in the fact that this isn't a clinical test. it isn't something you can have done in a hospital office. many doctors wouldn't have the need for this equipment. it's the equipment that is fairly common in molecular biology labs, not in a clinical setting. really that's the problem. the problem is with this very new virus, those quick tests are slow to come. the research comes first. >> well, i'm sure that your local community is incredibly grateful that you, first of all,ed that foresight to purchase the equipment for your school and that you have turned it into this use to serve the

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[ music playing ] welcome back to the second hour of kasie d.c.. tonight, dr. anthony fauci delivered a grim prediction about the coronavirus pandemic here in the united states. >> i mean, looking at what we are seeing now. you know i would say between 100,000 and 200,000 cases, but i don't want to be held to that. it's excuse me deaths. we're going to have millions of cases. >> that's dr. fauci saying that the u.s. could see 100,000 to 200,000 deaths from this virus and asked about that comment at his press briefing earlier, the president of the united states cited an estimate of unknown origin, but said if the federal government did nothing 2.2

million people could have died. he then said, 100,000 to 200,000 deaths would represent a victory. >> when i heard the number today, the first time i've heard that number. because i have been asking the same question that some people have been asking, i felt even better about what we did last week with the $2.2 trillion. because you are talking about a potential of up to 2.2 million and some people said it can be higher than that. so you are talking 2.2 million deaths, 2.2 million people from this. and so, if we can hold that down as we're saying to 100,000, it's a horrible number, maybe even less, but to 100,000 so we have between 100 and 200,000, we altogether have done a very good job. >> wow. quite a number. joining me now is democratic senator amy klobuchar of

minnesota. senator klobuchar, it's great to have you on the program tonight. >> thank you. >> i want to start. we'll get to the president in a second. but first, let me ask you how is your husband, john, doing? we were heartened to hear that he was out of the hospital. has he been recovering well at home? >> yes. he is in our apartment. i am actually in my colleague senator smith's apartment, not too far away. because they still haven't given him the green light to make sure he's not contagious. but when i hear the president talking like that about those numbers. you know i keep thinking everyone is going to know someone in their family and a victory will be if we get all the ventilators out there to the patients. a victory will be if we get the tests out there that should have been ready months ago. a victory will be if we can develop a vaccine. i think we all know that. and one of the things i hope my husband's story will be helpful

for many is that he is only 52. he's really healthy. we have no idea how he got it and he ended up in the hospital with severe pneumonia. he was coughing up blood, he was there hand turned the corner and is now home. we are so grateful. the thing we have in common with everyone, no matter how serious the case is that you are not going to be able to hold the hand of your loved one. you will not be able to give a hug to the care takers and the doctors and nurses and people that work in the hospital. will you not be able to go there and assisted living as we all know. we have to remember that this is what we have to do. because if you go there, then you are going to spread it to someone else or you are going to get it, yourself. and for me, a lot of it was checking up on him, calming before he got -- calling before he got to the hospital to have him keep taking his temperature. will you have pa lot of people that are alone you need to keep

calling even as got a greetings to cheer them up or call to check on their health. to the point that you may even get annoying. but that's what you have to do. this is a disease like no other. it's a very lonely disease. it's lonely in the ramp-up. it's lonely if you get really sick and it is lonely afterward, because you really can't go out there until you know are you not contagious. >> it's a very good point and one i think a lot of people perhaps until they actually have a chance to grapple with this, themselves, or not necessarily going to wrap their heads around. i mean, what would you say to, you know, we are still seeing pictures? it seems as though it's getting through people's heads that they need to stay home, if not for their own sake but for the sake of other people. but we are still seeing some people of pictures of people socializing in groups. in maryland, they started breaking up groups of dozens of people west virginia have you

learned in your experience that you would use to talk to those folks? >> well, we don't know where he got it. he did the right thing. he went right into our apartment when he thought he even had a cold. as a result we don't know of anyone that he infected. when i look at that, i just think people are putting their parents or someone else's parents at risk. or they're putting a grandma at risk. they got to just think of it that way. that's what bothers me so much about this president. he send out this disinformation. you know, telling people, we will change the rules. we'll have everyone in church on easter. wouldn't that be great? you think that doesn't get in people's minds? of course, it does, they want to hear good news, when you aren't feeling honest with people, you lose people. i think that is one of the fundamental problems of his leadership right now. >> you are also focused policy wise on how to try and vote

remotely for your united states senators, but for americans, broadly come election time in november. what's the status of both of those efforts under way? >> well, with the senators, that's going to be on senator mcconnell. a number of us think it's a good idea if we have to vote on emergency measures. but rate now, he's not budging on that. fundamentally with the rest of the country, when they want to vote in the fall, we must have that election take place. and we've already seen for benefit ev leapt reasons that governors have had to postpone primary elections. we can't let that hap in november so that's why i joined forces with ron weiden and we have the bill that would, one, get adequate funding for voting at home, voting by mail. we got 400 million in this first bill for the state for everything from envelopes and postage and the like, but secondly, it's things like getting polling places to be

opened 20 days ahead in every state in the country. then you'd have less congregation for people that have to pick up a ballot or go vote that day that way. training younger poll workers. we know so many of our poll workers are seniors. we still will have polls. we want to make sure people that work there aren't vulnerable on getting the virus if it is still out there in force. we mist go forward with this -- owe we must go forward with this election. we can't can sell this democracy because this administration held up the tests when they should have been developing them and getting the emergency equipment out there. i think we can't let that happen and one of the most amazing things about this is you've got republican secretary of state joining forces with democratic secretaries of states across the country saying, yeah, we want to expand voepting by mail. we don't think people should have to choose between their health and 54 vote. we think seniors, veterans should be able to vote and not stay home.

>> i notice at the front of the show, jon meacham has pointed out, we managed to hold a national election during the civil war, surely, we can figure it south amid what is admittedly a challenging crisis for us. for klobuchar, thank you very much. our best wishes to john. >> thank you for getting the facts out there. thanks. >> of course. joinering me now professor of epidemiology at ucla or former director of disease control and prevention for los angeles county dr. robert kim farley and president former director for the emerging threats at the u.s. agency at international development dr. dennis carroll. thank you both for being here tonight. dr. carroll, let me start with you. i just want to reference again those numbers that we heard from the president of the united states earlier this estimate of 100,000 to 200,000 deaths in this country if we do everything right going forward from here.

what is your take with your perspective, your expert perspective on what that means? >> well, thank you. first off, to declare the death of 200,000 people a victory is appalling. china, a country of 1.2 billion. three-and-a-half times the size of the united states faced with exactly the same virus, their death rate was 3,000 people. that's successful. germany, which is also badly with this virus that has a death rate that's a fraction of that of the united states, that's success. for president trump to declare 100 to 200,000 people's deaths as the cause of this virus is just unacceptable and it's appallin appalling. >> dr. kim harley, do you agree we that assessment? >> i think it's nice to be on your program and appreciate

being with dennis carroll, he and i have had our careers paths cross in usaid. i think the situation is one that we also have to realize is something that's not exactly determined yet. it's all going to hinge on whether we can practice the social distancing measures to drive the numbers down. it's loved onesing families, friends that are going to be dying. >> and dr. kim farley, we have, you worked previously on the usns mercy. i think we have pictures of that that we can show folks. because there the a lot of, oh, excuse me in l.a. i apologize. the ship usns mercy is heading to the port of l.a. what kind of impact do you think this will potentially have and how has the west coast done in grappling with this crisis as compared to the east coast? we've seen this explode in new

york city. >> yes. usns mercy is a very interesting ship. it's actually some 894 feet long. it's big. this third largest types of ships in the u.s. navy together with its sister ship the comfort, which as you point out is coming into new york and actually the mercy has already docked in los angeles. because of its capacity of 1,000 beds and you've got 12 operating rooms, 80 intensive care units, it really is a floating hospital with all the capacities that you need there. so, it will provide a way of relief then for hospitals here in los angeles. i this i the other question that you've mentioned there is you know what is the numbers compared to what's happening in new york. i think a couple of things, one is that the governor in california, governor newsome, very early on actually made a state wide, the first state in the united states to do a state wide physical distancing

measures, safer at home. i think that's one of the things that may have contributed to this. still, we don't have yet the testing we need to fully understand the number of cases that are out there. >> it's a really important point. dr. carroll, you operated an emerging threats program under both the bush and obama administrations. what were we doing under both those previous republican and democratic administrations that you don't see this administration doing? >> well, it's really quite striking, casey. in both the president bush and president obama administration, there were events that emerged on the global scene. the 2005 av influenza events and then 2009 the h1n1 pandemic. then later the ebola epidemic of west africa. each a case you saw both of these presidents step forward and really, one, established a very high mark around the world

in terms of global responsibility. clearly, there is a domestic agenda and they've provided extreme leadership in that domestic agenda in both occasions. but they also put a marker out there that this is a global event. these events require global solidarity and global action and they acted in both occasions as a catalyst performing a global coordinated response. so, what we don't see in today's situation, is anyone addressing the needs of those countries and populations whose health systems are far more fragile than what we see in the united states or europe and that silence is really quite extraordinary. however, we consider the potential death toll in the united states, the potential death toll in countries across africa or displaced populations around the world are going to be orders of magnitude greater. president bush and president

obama recognized the global leadership the united states has and they really provided the kind of catalytic leadership that we're failing to see in this administration. >> i this i that perhaps some people, doctor, would not necessarily disagree we you, but might look at the situation and say, you know, we've never been america in this position before where we haven't been able to take care of our own people that you know in those circumstances, yes, there was greater suffering elsewhere and we looked out for that. but at the same time, we were looking at you know thousands of ventilators short in new york city. i mean, surely that must contribute to this somehow. >> well, it does, on many levels. let's also remember, we knew about this virus by the end of december. by january, w.h.o. signaled that

this was a virus that demanded urgent action. had we taken those actions, had we stocked up our strategic national stockpiles as we should have, moved forward with the diagnostics that we should have at that point in time, it would have given us breathing room to recognize our role as a leader. we're look at a failed leadership in january and february have put us in the position we are in today in the united states. but it also means that the rest of the world is paying a price for this as well. >> all right. dr. carrol, dr. robert kim-farley. thank you very much. it's great to have you on the program tonight. >> a pleasure. just ahead, andy slavit joins me wide and an infection leading the world. over the weekend, louisiana, surging 28%. congressman said rick richmond

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12k3w4r6r7b8g9s. in louisiana, coronavirus continues to spread at an alarming rate with more than 3500 confirmed cases and 151 deaths. the state has the fastest growth of new cases in the world, with a growth tra jelks similar to that in italy and spain, this governor, governor bell edwards offered a sobering projection. >> we know that if we don't flatten the curve, we're almost

tra jected currently to exceed our capacity in the new orleans area for ventilators by about april the 4th and all beds available in hospitals by about april the 10th. >> some experts are now looking closely at mardi gras as a possible explanation for the spike in cases. the packed narrow streets of the french quarter may have served as a hotbed for the virus to spread. joining me now is democratic congressman said rick richmond of louisiana. congressman, thank you very much for being with us. i just want to start with what you know about how things are unfollowing in your home district, your home state. what have you seen? and what do you need right now? >> well, i'll tell you. what we're going to need is ventilators, veteran lators, ventilators. what we're also going to need is hospital beds. i think you just reported on what the governor said early this morning in terms of he thought we would be out of

ventilators by april 4th. and that hospital beds may be a week or so later. so we need to build capacity in our medical accountability. so, here's what we need. we need the federal government to step up and send ventilators. we need the ability to quickly build out from the convention center to hotels to build out hospital beds and we feed tests. that is still important, especially as we go through it, being able to determine fairly quickly who has it and who doesn't have it. but i will say this, the governor, the mayor, the parish presidents have been making tough decisions but necessary decisions. my governor mayor were beat up because they shut down public events pretty early. but we know that that has saved lives and if, had we known earlier, we could have saved more. >> we were listening before this, we came on the air tonight

to the president of the united states, who talked about 100,000 to 200,000 deaths possibly in the united states if we do everything right. what was your reaction to hearing that number from the administration? >> well, it's a number in congress that we have heard before, which is why we have such an urgency asking him to order companies to produce ventilators and not waste time on, you know, irrelevant issues. instead of beating up governors on tv, order ventilators. let's do the things that we know we're going to have to do to beat this and flatten the curve. that means ordering tests. that means, and what it also means is giving out accurate information to the american people. if we arm americans with real information and ask them to do their civic duty. because as americans we will do it. then that will help us flatten

the curve. that means looking into the camera and telling the truth for a change. so that's what i mean right now. i'm not trying to be overly critical of him. i can criticize him days on end when it's over. right now it's what we need to keep the american people safe. this is not a game. this is not a joke. when we say self quarantine, when we say social distancing. it's because that saves lives and we can't afford any elected official to downplay the significant e significance and the danger that's out there, especially in louisiana. >> you mentioned putting criticism off until a time when this crisis is not quite so right on top of us. joe biden, you're the co-chair. he, of course, running against this president, likely as the nominee in the general election. they have a pretty tough ad out already talking about this president's incompetence and suggesting basically that it's resulted if livin lives lost.

do you think that's the case? >> look, if you ask me do i think the president's action versus cost us american lives? the answer is yes, unfortunately. let's go back to i believe it was january 22nd when he did his first interview and i think it was on cnbc and they asked him, do you think we have the danger of a pandemic from coronavirus? he said, no, no, no, not at all. we have this totally under control. remember, january 22nd was a month before mardi gras. i mean, those are the types of this i think so that matter to the american people. you sound the alarm initially and i won't dodge a question about joe biden. joe biden is not criticizing president trump to the extent, in a campaign manner. what he's doing is offering advice on what a president should do. one be show empathy, but, two, be very decisive, make the hard decisions and so yes, he is junior critical. we should have sent our own team

of doctors to china in the beginning to figure out what was going on, not trust the chinese government to tell us the truth. then we should have started preparing for coming over to american shores. and the vice president has a lot of experience in it. because he dealt with ebola they protected our homeland and they prevented it from coming here. so, but, just to be technical, that ad is not coming from the campaign. i think it's a third party group. the president right now is focused on trying to heal this country and offer advice and guidance to this president on how to beat this pandemic. look, people nope how i feel about president trump. but right now, i am his biggest fan. i want him to win, because if he wins, that means we save lives. i'm just not that confident that he has it in him to do it. but i'm hoping for him. i'm praying for him. and i'm praying for the american people. >> all right. congressman said rick richmond. thanks very much for your time, sir. i want to turn now to a

warning that was issued more than two weeks ago about the state of our hospitals. former obama administration official andy slavitz evidence by march 23rd, hospitals in big cities would be overrun with cases and they'd see a tsunami if the virus hit like it did in italy. he said there wouldn't be enough beds or ventilators that is approximately the same prediction hospitals and governors are now make pittsburgh across the country. joining me is andy slavitz, the former acting director of medicaid services and the host of the new podcast in the bubble. sir, thanks very much for being with us. let me ask you again to use your expertise to project, not sim mr. i to predict, the future but to look at what we know now, who you kefb acting as a country, the fact that the president now is advising folks to keep these social distancing measures in place for at least april 30th

and say, do you think that our death toll is going to be what the president said it might be today, he said between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths, if and only if we do everything right? >> yes. it felt like the president was in a bit of a learning on the job mode and made some progress today. one is he mentioned he had a friend who had been stricken ill with the virus. i think as that happens to more and more people, that's going to be harder to deny. and you seen the images on tv. i think he is being told that over the next week, over the next month, they are going to be the kind of numbers and the kind of images that we're not used to seeing in this country. we're not used to seeing in other parts of the world very often. and he has acknowledged something that is hard not to acknowledge, because of the fact that there is such a lack time. so, we know that people who have

gotten sick over diagnosed and the case counts, it's about two weeks before they entered the hospital. we know how many beds there are in the hospital so we know how many ventilators are in the hospital. and no one in this country should ever die because they can't get access to the medical care either a nurse or a doctor who need to be put on the front lines or these other critical components. i will say that once we get past these few weeks, the, it's in our hands. it's not in anybody else's hands but ours. we're just getting to the point in san francisco and santa clara, where because of the strict measures that governor newsome put in place, we are going to start to see the hospital case count start to drop. so because we are dealing with this lag, we don't see the effect of our actions for a few weeks, but i think we have a chance if we really pay attention to social distancing and real strict isolation to start to see improvements.

>> what decisions could have been made before this to avoid this scenario that you are grimly outlining of a body count that is unlike any we are, you nope, have experienced in modern histor history? >> yeah, well, i want us all to avoid focusing just on the numbers unless they help us spark action. and i also want us to avoid feeling a symptom of overconfidence when the numbers improve or flatp. it's when they improve or flatten people say, great, now i can go out. this is over. it's not working, not really connecting into the fact it's because we have been socially isolating that that's happening. so that's i think most important. i do agree with the congress person you had on prior, which is i think there is going to be plenty of time to look back on what was done wrong. i think it's while the president

won't acknowledge it and i think it's not easy for him to acknowledge culpability or responsibility, we lost precious time and when you lose precious time, in the normal circumstance, you work day and night to catch up. the reason that we can't catch up so well here is because what is going on is an exponential growth curve. it's like saying i'm swimming and i see a speed boat 15 feet away from me. by the time i swim to that speed both, it's much further than 15 feet away. and that itself the tragedy of this is every early warning system that we didn't deploy cost us such valuable time that we won't be able to get back. >> and just to kind of push forward as you suggest that we should here, i think a lot of people are probably sitting at home wondering, okay, now i'm supposed to stay in my house until april 30th.

they're receiving a message from their elected officials, it's not going to be safe until x time. but the reality is i think all of us will continue to be nervous and worried even if people start to tell us it's okay. do we need to clorox wipe every doorknob and be incredibly careful? am i taking a risk going to the grocery store with my child? is somebody going to get sick? how are we really going to know when it's safe? >> all right. so it's a highly contagious virus that is invisible and in certain populations is lethal and for us, none of us have an immunity to it. so it seems like, so those realities are things we give scientists a chance to catch up. we give it the time. and i really appreciate the democrats and republicans are increasingly coming together with the same message. they aren't all the way there

yet. that i will sadly have to be soon. when everyone is aligned with the same message, is what we have is an opportunity. the opportunity is this. people of my generation and younger and older, we've never been called on to sacrifice before. we didn't go through the rosie the river era. we didn't sacrifice on behalf of this country. i realize for a great number of americans, staying home, losing precious dollars in their savings, being uncertain about the future, you know, that's not a lot of fun. i mean your kids miss things that are important in their lives. all those things are real challenges. i don't want to take that for granted. but what i will say is that if by doing that, you knew that you could save 40 people's lives, which is about the calculation of what happens if you knowingly infect somebody, i don't know a person in the world who wouldn't gladly do that, knowing it's a sacrifice and when it's all done, we will look back and ask

ours were, did we do eng we possibly could? thank you for watching the podcast, the podcast in the bubble is about that it's about the fact we will have a little new normal for a period of time. it doesn't have to be torture. it will be sad. it will be traumatic. but there is a lot of this i think so that can come out of sacrifice and support and it's going to be four families. my family will be involved. my 18-year-old son will be the sound engineer. i think family should have an opportunity to do so together. and i think that way we will get ourselves through this, supporting each other. >> certainly, i am getting through this as a family affair for us as well as we try i to figure out how to both make television and take care of our son. i really appreciate your sort of very both optimistic but sobering and really pragmatic and straight forward way of approaching this subject, i think, hopefully, a lot of our viewers agree. we'd love to have you back. thank you so much for your time

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do you think people are afraid to leave their house? do you think these nurses are not afraid to go into the hospital? they're afraid, something is more important than their fear, which is their passion, their commitment for public service and helping others. >> the coronavirus is taking its toll on those who protect and serve. 818 members of the nypd have tested positive and three member versus died, nearly 13% of the force is now out sick. and that comes as the fdny is reporting more than 260 cases of covid-19. nypd announced yesterday the death of cedric doppler 6000en,

a veteran of the force and the company's first officer to su succumb and they announced a mechanic, it all comes as first responders are being called on more than ever in new york city. wednesday set a record for ems calls, more than even september 11th. joining me now is bill brattop, the former nypd commissioner and senior law enforcement analyst. thanks for being on the program. this is a crisis for the nypd unlike anything that they have faced in modern history. but they keep showing up, they keep stepping up to help their fellow new yorkers. what can you be doing to support that? >> well, one, basically, to support them, to understand the job they have to do, ems, firefighters, they are putting themselves at great risks to help the governor's comments

that they are right on the money. because it's what they signed up to do. in terms of support from the public, it is the idea of one in terms of not creating unnecessary work for officers. and the stay-at-home policy that seems to be working to great effect in american cities to new york is one what i to lessen their burden. also, the reduction of calls to 911 to non-emergency functions, the good news is significant lives and calls for medical assistance to 911, overall, 911 calls are down dramatically. additionally crime going up the first two months in new york city. this is all good news as the police department is losing significant numbers of person nel. as of 8:00 tonight, over 736 officers have contracted the virus. almost 5,000 out sick. the police commissioner

estimates tomorrow morning when they do the morning report that number of sick officers may be as high as 500 with upwards of 15% of the uniform force out sick. those are phenomenal numbers. >> absolutely unbelievable. what can the force do? and what do cities need to start thinking about in order to figure out how to protect a certain segment. at some point if officers keep falling ill, that will become a situation where the city doesn't have what it needs. i mean what are your concerns and what do you think the force can be doing to try to plan to figure out how to deal with this from that perspective? >> well, speaking specifically for the nypd, which is privileged to be commissioner twice of that department and other large agencies like the los angeles police chief, they've got extraordinary staff dedicated personnel. so the planning capabilities are

significant. they are looking at multiple ways of dealing with the loss of these officers in 10 to 12-hour shifts, bringing the detective force, 7,000 officers into uniform. there is a variety of staffing ways that this can be dealt with. the problem, however, outside of new york in large cities, 18,000 police departments in this country. the majority have 25 offices or less. so if you start losing 10, 15, 20, 25% of those forces, that starts getting towards like a catastrophe stage. one of the ways we can deal with this is the repetition of what all these governors have been asking for, a appropriate equipment to protect the first line, defenders, nurses, police and our firefighters. to that degree. the prioritization of getting adequate equipment will help. one good news statistic cited earlier on msnbc was that about

80% of those afflicted with the virus that it is not life-threatening that to the extent that they have to go on the ventilators that they will recover and you will be starting to see in some instances officers coming back to work or being asked to come back to work. this is where the testing is to make sure if they are able to come back after having them. that they are, in fact, well enough to come back f. they still don't have either in their system. >> do you know? one of the things i noticed new york city was doing is this kind of pilot program where they located people who had the virus, who recover fareed it who can then donate plasma that can potentially be used in life saving treatments for current victims. does the force to your knowledge have enough tests to figure out ut we all know how many so many of them are in serving their community and so this would be another thing that could

potentially be beneficial, but is it possible? do we even know who among them has had the virus. >> well, one of the good things about the nypd because of its size, sometimes the personal it actually has a huge speed limit of doctors on staff as you expect it to be coming in to treat officers, so it can utilize that, to, in fact, do some of this screening, the testing. and that's a benefit. but, once again, that's new york city. most survivors in america don't do that they rely on the local hospitals or doctors. but new york right now is at the epicentres watching the news channels this evening, the tornadoes, in self parts of the country are experiencing. i would remind you effectively of watching that tornado. that's what's coming at new york. and they anticipate in the next week-to-two, that's when it will actually be dead center over new york. so the numbers we are talking

about right now, all the projections are those numbers are going to be pale in comparison to what we need to expect over the next two weeks. thankfully, they're building all those additional hospital facilities. the ship and others and so that might help to alleviate some of what, in fact, coming. >> a field hospital, in fact, going up in central park as we speak. bill bratton, thanks for your time. when we come back, i will talk to congressman joe kennedy how much the stimulus goes to americans and what is still left to be done. by the way, social distance as they voted. members of congress spread frought the floor of the house up into the public galleries. what a remarkable moment in american history. we are back after this.

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. welcome back. president trump finally invoked the defense production act on friday, compelling general motors to ramp up ventilator production. his decision came after a very confusing two weeks of comments surrounding the dpa from this administration. joining me now is nbc political reporter monica alba from the white house. monica, it's good to see you. can you help us kind of understand what finally happened here that this president finally did what you know a lot of us thought he had already done but actually we have not. >> reporter: yeah, it really was ten days of mixed messaging from the white house and the

president, himself, casey, before he finally fully implemented the dpa. he argued the reason it took so long he was ememploymenting it more as leverage. take a listen to how the administration issue despite lawmakers and leaders nationwide really pleading for him to fully utilize these powers. >> we'll be invoking the defense production act just in case we need it. you don't know whether or not we've ordered. you don't know if we invoked it. i invoked the defense production act and last night we put it into gear. >> we have the act in case we need it. >> we haven't had to use it yet. will we have to use it? maybe. >> we're geting what we have without having to heaven he i hand of the government down. >> my team came and we're going to use the dpa for the first time today. >> we didn't have to utilize or exercise the dpa in any way. the fact we have it helps, but we didn't have to. for the most part we didn't have

to. we have it, it's a great leveraging tool. we can use it on two minor occasions and then withdraw it. for the most part, the companies, we didn't need it. >> i haven't had to use t. >> reporter: casey, you can see why so many people are scratching their hands with the dpa, with the one example with general motors he did use it to the full powers, but pressed tonight in the rose garden about whether or not he's going to do that again and with whom, he's mentioned a couple of companies, which he used the words problem children, he didn't elaborate on the details. he said he wants to use this as a bargaining chip which is an example for the businessman he's using this as a negotiating tactic. the case remains, kasie, with the shortage of masks and gowns for hospitals, what will it take for it to be used to its full powers, kasie. >> monica, why general motors, very quickly?

>> reporter: so, it's a great question. general motors had actually come to the white house first to say they could help with some of the ventilators. of course, that's one of the most needed resources in this pandemic. but the timing of it was suspect because they claimed that they were already in the process of doing this when the president said he needed to use it and he called out gm. he said they weren't working fast enough and they were, quote, in his words, wasting time. the company pushed back on that saying they were trying to do everything they can. but this is the issue with the private sector a little bit. they sort of set their own time lines unless they're being compelled by the dpa to deliver that equipment on a faster time line, kasie. >> all right, monica alba reporting live from the white house. thank you, my friend. always great to have you. joining me now is congressman joe kennedy from massachusetts. congressman, you, of course, were one of those who was called back to washington in this mad scramble to make sure that this $2.2 trillion package got over the finish line as quickly as

possible. walk us through what your role was in that, and whether or not you think that this bill hits the right balance between workers and the companies that employ them. >> so, thanks for having me, first off. and i'm glad to see everybody is healthy and safe. this is a critically important piece of legislation. was it the billy would have drafted it? no. was it a perfect piece of legislation? i think universally we can -- but it was a $2 trillion-plus-dollar bill to try to ensure that american families can rest a little bit easier knowing that their financial needs are going to be met so they can focus on their health and getting everyone healthy. we've got a long way to go to make sure that money gets out into the hands of americans, in the hands of small businesses, in the hands of folks that actually need it so they can, in fact, meet their obligations, pay those bills and pay their own rent and mortgages.

we have a long way to go, one. i think it was an important part of the rescue phase, but i think there is an awful lot more to be done on the recovery phase, particularly when we focus on the fissures in our system that this virus is exposing so viscerally. >> yeah, you, in fact, called in a tweet -- i want to bring up universal health care in a second. i think that's what you were touching on. let's stick first with getting through this immediate crisis. you called for a national shelter-in-place. you wrote, no more half measures. we need a national shelter-in-place. we need to do everything we can to stop this disease. why do you think it is that our leaders are not yet calling for this? and does the federal government have the power to make this happen? >> look, i'm not going to get inside the head of this president. last night i think showed part of this, the fact that he's using the defense production act to try to penalize a company

rather than to try to protect our country and our health care workers that are in desperate need of materials. i have spent hours, literally hours a day, including today, on phones and emails with various manufacturers from china and central asia trying to track down masks, ventilators, n95s, whatever we can find for hospitals here because we do not have enough. and the fact that the president boasts about the enormous manufacturing capacity we have here, industrial capacity in the united states and has the power to make sure we can protect our people and won't do it, and instead puts out innuendo saying that, well, for some bad actors, maybe i'll do it to them. you're doing this for us, to protect us. so nurses don't have to show up in trash bags at work and hope it works. it is outrageous. look, i think we do have an awful lot more that needs to be done in order to get through

this virus. one of the worst parts about if, you can be carrying the disease four or five days before you're symptomatic so you're spreading it to others. that means in order to get in front of this, you need -- you need everybody to do their part. it does no good for massachusetts to shelter-in-place if people are coming in from other states and continuing to infect people. >> yeah, it's a very good point, congressman. before i let you go, i think there are a lot of americans out there who are wondering, waiting, are we ever going to go -- whenever we going to go back to normal. i think my question for you is from however you want to look at it, a policy conversation, if it's a day to day conversation, a philosophical conversation. are we ever going to go back to normal after this, do you think? >> i think if the question is why don't we go back to having a -- to where many of us were in early february, nothing to worry about, be able to go out and be

safe, i think that's a long time from now. i think we can get to a point where we have the disease, spread of the disease under cromwell, whe control, we are we can treat you if you get ill, we have drugs to help mitigate the worst symptoms of the virus, all of that, we'll have answers on that in a couple of weeks and that will be helpful. but, you know, it's still 12 months away minimum and until that actually does take a large impact to get back do normal -- i know i'm short here -- is to make sure you have a health care system that -- >> all right. congressman joe kennedy, thank you very much for being on the program tonight. we would welcome you back any time as we all sort through this crisis together. we're going to have a lost it thought on "kasie d.c." coming up right after this. ♪

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