still fresh... ♪ unstopables in-wash scent booster ♪ downy unstopables good evening. this is ari melber broadcasting our special coronavirus coverage. at this hour there are over 160,000 cases in the united states. more than 2900 people have died. a short time ago president trump defending his decisions. take a listen. >> challenging times are ahead for the next 30 days. this is a very vital 30 days.

we're sort of putting it all on the line. this 30 days. so important because we have to get back. >> we also heard from dr. birx today. i want to play some of what she said. take a listen. >> i think every one understands now that you can go from 5 to 50 to 500 to 5,000 cases very quickly. we see this in many metropolitan areas. we're very worried about every city in the united states and the potential for this virus to get out of control. >> i want to turn in and bring some of our guests. we have been covering these daily briefings. some are more inform tiative th

others. >> i think there was significant agreement we're not prepared to lift the restrictions on physical contact. it's important to maintain physical distance for the foreseeable next few weeks. this will give us more time to prepare hospitals, to prepare equipment. to allow diagnostic testing to be distributed more broadly across the nation and we still need to be able to do our best to immaterial plemt pplement pu measures for individuals that will out breaks that will spread before they become epidemics. we cannot allow the situation of where cases go undetected and before we notice we're dealing with thousands and thousands of patients going into our hospital systems. >> jonathan swan, the president appeared on fox and friends.

take a listen. >> we're thinking around easter. that will be your spike. that will be the highest point and it's going to start coming down from there. that will be a day of celebration. we just want to do it right. we pick the end of april, the last day, april 30th as the day where we can see some real progress. we expect to see that. >> jonathan, when you look at the president, he's adjusted his messaging. has he gotten to place where he can live with what the experts say or will zigzagging play out during this pandemic. >> i hesitate to promise you consistent messaging from president trump for the future. i think that would be a foolish thing to suggest. oval office meeting on sunday afternoon has been a little over dramati dramatized. i'm told by people who are familiar with his thinking he

made up his mind before that meeting. it was sort of a final meeting where dr. fauci and birx presented the statistics. the television he was watching, the images he have seeing out of new york on follow brought this home. he had assurances from the treasury secretary stephen mnuchin that the stimulus package would be enough to sort of cushion the employee in the short term and he felt this was a less risky option of extending it rather than taking the blame for an untold death count. >> your the above. >> there's some of the numbers that are presented by dr. fauci and dr. birx is from the study from the institute of health t

metrics and evaluation. if all the states continued the social distancing and put the measures into place, most state, 41 states are still behind in their icu bed needs. we need 61,000 hospital more beds and 16,000 extra icu beds. the thing that doesn't come across is when we talk about the peak. the peak in one month or 15 day, the peak will be different in every state depending on whether the measures are put into place. this may continue at different levels in different states. the other part is unless we all come together, one state may get better, decrease its case loads and the minute you let dwrourn gua -- down your guard you might have movement between cases. part of this is there's peak and

there's a plateau and cases continue. that's the point about preparednesseprepared ness about testing becoming so important. >> do you can speak to the sad warning we got which is dr. birx and others saying you're look at a projection of 100 to 200,000 u.s. deaths. >> sure. these are projections. this virus has some dangerous features. they would be worse if we don't take appropriate measures to provide care to individual who is need it. this virus seems to be transmitting before people develop symptoms which make the epidemic a lot easier. it can be -- lead to very severe lethality in certain populations but nobody is immune. we don't have ample dig noagnos

tests to identify, and contain outbreaks as they are occurring. our goal should be to make them as slow as possible. we don't want to lose anybody to this virus. >> your reaction medically to this push first by the president sort of casually but now by the fda through normal mechanisms to test things in other time periods wouldn't be rushed out like this. >> that's a scenario we face a loot of outbreaks. we're seeing there's some data that a drug is promising. we wapnt to make it available. we don't know for sure because we haven't done the rigorous testing yet. what becomes important in those settings is really for the individual physicians the weigh the risk and benefits and for us to all collect the data in that setting so we're not possibly causing more harm than helping. it's a go ahead and collect

data. it's a go ahead and use with your judgment to see if this is helpful and the patient that is in fropts nt of you. we still need the trials and show drugs are as efficacious as we think they are. >> i'm wondering what you are thinking about their evolving approach. on a degree there's criticism where it's too long, too unfocussed too much misinformation while it's covered like it would be in most situations. it will lean back into features that people remember from the campaign that his krcritics loo

at as gimmicks and his supporters look at as his particular communication approach. >> i was talking to someone who is close to the president today and they said that he was going stir crazy without being able to have an outlet. he was couldn't do the rallies anymore. this is his daily outlet. he can do it for an hour, sometimes two hours and then spend much of the night watching replay of himself in different formats on cable news. >> are there those who find it particular disturbing that because the ratings are up because people are literally

making life and death decisions and are afraid that the president views that as something to relish? >> if you're asking me if there are people in the president's close orbit who are disturbed by him, i would say very few at this point in the presidency. this was a feature of 2017. any time you read stories about horror within the inner circle i think it's vastly over stated. he's likely surrounded out by a group of people, levering out the career experts who i wouldn't want to speak for but when you talk about his inner circle it's largely people who are fans of his. >> it's wild to put it so bluntly. i think we have seen, i'll take it to both doctors, people are obviously rushing towards any place they can get information at a time when they are supposed to stay largely home. they are rushing to sources online. they are rushing to television news and other news.

to twist it bit away from the president's view oi, what do yo advise people about how to make sure they are getting news or inspection from a reputable source particularly if it involves precautions they should take. >> the source i use mostly is the cdc. it's our global health agency is respected around the world. it it may not be, have the latest bit of information as available because everything is so properly vetted. but definitely it's the most reliable resource that i would recommend for people to seek. >> i was going to ask the cdc has been ahead in terms of its guidance and tons of different kinds of se naercenarios but th

would releasing with all this new drugs out there and the new information, they have provided public outlet of what all of this means. the ethics are complicated. the scientific sort of approach is complicated and the fda has done a great job of having a public facing documents to also help understand the concepts. >> if i may add. >> i was going to say it's helpful to look at your state public health logs because public health departments because they have information that is tailored to the community and can be very helpful. >> all excellent points. i will mention on behalf of our own news team here we're doing extra logistical hoops so if i've been tape delayed that's on our end and my apologies for that. thank you so much. we'll fit in a break.

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hospitals are allowing masks to go quote, out the back door. >> they have been delivering for years, 10 to 20,000 masks. it's a new york hospital. it's packed all the time. how do you go from 10 to 20 to 300,000. something is going on. you ought to look into it as reporters. are they going out the back door? somebody should probably look into that. i just don't see from a practical substantia practical standpoint how that is possible. we have that happening numerous places. >> people have looked into it and nbc news reporting there's no evidence that theft is what drives the demand here. in fact, we a ll know what's driving the demand, it's the legitimate usage. donald trump claimed new york wouldn't need thousands of ve ventilators that they have been desperately needing. >> don't believe you need 30 or

40,000 ventilators. now all of a sudden they are saying with ke ordinasay ing can we order 30,000. >> the president went onto, you need to know this to factor in how you view what else he says tomorrow or the next day. he then denied saying it at all and attacked the journalist who raised the issue. >> you said you think some of the equipment that governors are requesting, they don't need. you said new york might need. >> i didn't say that. >> you said it on sean hannity. >> let me -- why dwroints act if positive. >> my question is -- >> it's always get you, get you. that's why nobody trusts the media anymore. >> we're joined by congressman grace ming and a boston edtorial page editor. your response.

>> this is such an incredibly stressful and hurtful time in our country. new york is the epicenter of the coronavirus. my burrough and county of queen s the epiepicenter. we want a leader that uses facts. >> how do you advise your constituents and americans watching this tonight view these task force briefings which on h incredibly important information likehand, includes as we just showed in a fact check so people can arm themselves and when the president shouts down and says she's the liar, we just showed you the evidence so viewers can see what he saying what she said in this instance

was true. >> you said the keyword, it's evidence. it's important we utilize science when making decisions and making sure that we're doing all we can to equip our front line health care workers to make sure they have what they need to protect themselves and to heal this country. >> your view? >> it's hard not to see the president's claim that hospitals are hording supplies or misusing supplies as a very thinly veiled way of evading responsibility. he's trying to recalibrate the american public's expectations around this cry issues. he's using outlandish projections that assume no action to make us accept the idea of 100,000 deaths or 200,000 deaths as a form of success when it's been the president's inaction, his dragging his heels and invoking the defense production act to

produce supplies. the lack of coordination at the federal level, the president of the united states should be distributing supplies to states and cities around the country. we have governors, representatives like the congresswoman, mayors around the country complaining that states are having to outbid the federal government for supplies, have been and into this week. we'll see what happens. i think what you're seeing is that the president is not willing to take responsibility and actually wants to reset the conversation. he goes after journalists in the similar way to how he goes after science. both are fact based enterprises. journalists and scientists try to get at the truth. the president trying to create his own idea of what's happening in the country. his own story of this public health crisis. >> congresswoman, you're nodding. >> i'm so frustrated. i'm getting calls every day from doctors and nurses on the front

lines here in queens and they are fearful for their lives. they pray every day. they cry every day because they don't have the equipment to depends themselves as they are waging this battle on the front lines of the coronavirus war. why wouldn't you as a leader do everything in you power to make sure that they have what they need to save lives? >> yeah. you guys both laid out very clearly. the president on missing masks. i want to play a were going out the back door and that perhaps some hospitals were doing things -- >> i expressed what was told to me by a tremendous power in the business. there's only couple of things that could happen. is it going out the back door and i've reported it to city and let the city take a look at it. when you go from 10,000 masks to 300,000 masks over the same

period of time, there's something going on. >> i mean, as you were raising earlier, this would appear to be by the method of unsourced question which is a certain type of tool, a way of trying to literally blame hospitals, doctors and nurses risks their liv lives, some of them getting hurt and dying and try to turn it on them. >> true. he's not -- >> i think that's important. >> i'm sorry. it's congresswoman. >> so i think that's true. it's dangerous. i think it's worth pointing out this kind of misinformation costs lives. the standard for the president should be to have evidence based information, consistent information and information that reassures the american public. when he misinforms the american public about whether it's a unproven or tested cure for

covid-19, whether he is talking about the real source of why there isn't personal protective equipment, he's sowing seeds of misinformation that have put real lives at stake. this is why the boston globe editorial board says the president has blood on his hands from minaction and misinformation. >> i agree. why is he pitting states against each other. this is an opportunity for him to show leadership and to show compassion. right now all we have is a lack of transparency. no one really knows what the criteria is in order to get the ppe and the vent larts we need. a good leader would make sure that new york, which is the epicenter of this crisis has what it needs to save as many lives as possible and god forbid

if this happens to another state that we would be properly prepared. >> all really clear points. given what we're against and having both you have walk us through your perspectives is useful during what is a tough time. i want to thank congresswoman and also apologize for some of our skype technical difficulties. i'm glad we can get every one where they are safely previsidi. how are other large city taxing action to save lives. a big city mayor who expect her hospitals filled but there are things we can do. hospitals filled but there are things we can do there's my career,... my cause,... my choir. i'm a work in progress. hiv medicine is one part of it. prescription dovato is for adults who are starting hiv-1 treatment and who aren't resistant to either of the medicines dolutegravir or lamivudine.

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we're following local reaction to the coronavirus. governors issuing restriktsive stay at home directives.

others trying to take a more balanced approach. the governor ordered a stay at home order for four county pps georgia saw governor bryan kemp issue directives for those only at risk. president trump said the federal disaster was already applied in that state. as you can see it's an evolve picture. we want to dig in to what we're seeing on the ground. i'm joined by atlanta mayor. thanks for joining us. people ask sometimes, how do we keep track of every part of the country and the answer is by checking in. we heard the president and his experts. i wanted to give you the mike. your response to anything we heard from the president thus far and what are you doing in your community? >> i think consistent messaging to all of us would be helpful not just as mayor and leaders

but to our citizens as a whole it's very confusing. even right here in atlanta, if i were to walk out of my door, if i walk a half a mile from my front door, i would be in another city and we have completely different guidelines as it relates to our state of emergency. in atlanta, i to do the extraordinary step in our state of issuing a stay at home order. i looked at what london breed did in san francisco and we clearly could see where this was headed. i had the benefit of talking almost daily with dr. carlos dedel rio from emery university and he has given us information on what will happen if we don't take measures. that's what we have done in at l atlanta. it's not been done across the board. we have varying guidelines in our metropolitan area.

atlanta is about 500,000 people. have a about six million people in atlanta. >> when you see the president say, look, there's some hot spots and bad places and other places that can get back to work. do you think that's acceptable or we're not there because it is such high risk anywhere that it can spread? >> clearly if we all follow the science and we would understand we are nowhere near able being able to get back to normal and to message that to the american people is wreckless. it's about saving lives. what we know from the science and what we know from looking at new york and kcalifornia and so many other places is we have to take extreme measures to stop the spread of this virus.

until recently people not begun to take it seriously and that has to do with the messages that were coming out of the white house and i'm glad -- >> let me ask you about that if i could. i know we're on a slight tape delay. i want to ask you a little more of that. when you say that message is getting out and is undercutting your work or public safety in atlanta, have you heard from people in georgia that they, the president said it's okay or is that something you observe yourself? >> what i'm saying is that people are putting economics above all else. i understand that people are concerned about how they will feed their families. that's a concern but we won't have families to feed if we don't make it to the other side of this pandemic. i think that if the president were consistent in his messaging, if he allows science to speak for itself then i think

that we can have very clear guidelines not just in atlanta, not just in our state but across the country. >> understood. do you view what's happening in new york as a potential outcome in atlanta if the right measures are not taken? >> it's the reason we closed down the city almost two weeks ago. we saw what was happening in new york and what we are seeing is we have an opportunity to build some capacity with our hospitals. we at the current state will exceed ore hospital capacity by may 3rd. people have to understand heart attacks and strokes and all these things that send people into ers don't stop. in atlanta we have some of the highe esest a esest asthma rate

country. that's a concern that people like my four children, all of whom are asthmatic can be impacted. the good part, i can say is as we have taken this extreme measure in atlanta, other surrounding cities are starting to follow with their stay at home orders but if it were my wish, we would have it consistently across the country. >> all very important notes atlanta mayor. appreciate your time during all of this. >> thank you. thank you. we're going to fit in a bit of break. cbs news reporting louisiana governor telling the president he will create roughly 1200 person field hospital in the new orleans convention center. the governor telling the president he was having trouble securing ventilators and test kits. they have about 4,000 case offense the virus and 185

deaths. i wa what are you seeing? >> good morning. good evening. what we're seeing around here is a pretty high rate of disease with very severe -- slowly inclined patients coming in but they are all very sick. the severe ity seems to be high. >> what measures have been most effective thus far? the bred a >> most people are suffering from acute respiratory distress syndro syndrome. we care for it every day. usually it's on the order of one or two patients. now we're on the order of 15 or 20 or more. i saw about 20 of them today.

i just left the room from one of them a minute ago. the bread and butter management is way to go. the problem is there's not much to offer beyond that. we don't have any treatments. we're trying to study think. we're trying go ining to get re going. we need time and effort and money for that in order to get the move mentovements. >> what portion of the immediate or urgent problem do they address? >> the field hospitals are critically important. this is something we have been pushing for in louisiana, new orleans specifically the past week. i think it's really great that the steps the governor or mayor o taking. what that provides is off loads our icus. it moves people that are stable enough with the disease or otherwise to move out of the hospital and as we expand the icu and expand rooms to put patients with vent lart, we have that capacity and don't run out of space. >> do you have a response to

some of the assertions the president is making when he says testing is under control. new york times reporting he was telling the governor, including your state is highly affected. quote, he hasn't hard about a problem with testing in weeks. your response. >> testing is an issue. i think we still need to increase the amount of testing. mostly the turn around time on the testing. we have started doing our own, some fast turn around testing here which is really, really helpful. one thing i still want to emphasize is the protective gear we need. i know they are trying to disperse it. we should be having better access to this. the fact we're still having to reuse the same gowns over and over, exposing our health care providers just unacceptable. we really do need to really push that. that's something i strongly believe we need. >> i'm curious what you think about what is bigger issue but you can tackle it however you want. we're in a year where there's still administration backing appeals that would effectively

limit obama care if they won in the courts. they are still pursuing that when there's tremendous mfemphas on trying to get more people to doctors whether it's emergency care, long term care, it's compl complex. do you have any view of that? does that approach look possible to limit obama care? >> i think it's tough to say if it's less logical. my personal opinion, i probably wouldn't. i think we have a lot bigger problems we need to be tackling now. i think improving access to care is a critical issue for our new orleans population and again, just getting us the right gear to do the job that we need to do should be the priority and mi d ed focus on right now. >> copy. the last thing i want to ask is something we asked a lot of experts in your position over these nights as this goes on. we do it hopefully to help.

bottom line, what are the things you would tell people they can do right now tonight to make sure they are just protecting themgs themselves their and their family. >> same thing i tell my mom and dad, stay home. stay healthy. assume everybody is a risk exposure until this thing starts to go away and hopefully it does go away. that's what you need. if you need help, call us. we'll talk to you on phone and if we need to see you then i'll take care of you. >> all right. really appreciate your work and your time tonight. we're going to fit in a break. we'll so do something we have done at the end of several hours and that's look at the larger question of how are we all doing socially, community and as a culture as we deal with this pandemic. we have a special guest you may be interested to hear from. ellen page will be here live when we come back. will be heree when we come back. yes. it's the first word of any new discovery. but when allergies attack, the excitement fades.

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welcome back. social distancing has millions of americans spending lot more time clearly at home. that's opened up all kinds of time to be online. some are artists and athletes are tap that focus to drive some larger conversations. take basketball star steph curry holding an online q and a live session with none other than dr. fauci. that was on instagram to get the word out to all kinds of folks to tune in and learn and deal with this set of challenges together. others are using social

immediate kra femedia immediates to highlight issues that are add jay sent. cardib said how so many well connected people, including people in government and celebrities getting tested without having symptoms when so many people with symptoms are not seem to get access. others are also forging ahead with programming that can feel very newly relevant. take ellen page's new documentary, there's something in the water. she spoke to the washington post and mentioned how it's hard not to think about this pandemic and consider the wider impact of environmental racism. something that is documented in this new project. tonight for something a little different we're joined by the oscar nominated actress and now first time director ellen page. thanks for joining me. >> thank you so much for having me. i really, really appreciate it. >> absolutely. ell ellen, you are known to many people for many things starting

with your role as an artist. someone who has followers. you have people interested in what you have to say. i'm curious before we get into this project culture in the tim this pandemic and so many people looking for ways to connect and commut commute. >> yeah, well, i mean, i feel like always those of us with privilege, those of us with a platform, it's crucial for us to use that in terms of sharing information, spreading awareness. you know, talking about issues that potentially aren't necessarily being highlighted enough or elevated enough. and, you know, right now, like you said, a lot is being highlighted in terms of issues and terms of inequality that are all creating consequences for so many people in our society, and i think it's important to, you know, continue that conversation.

>> yeah, so let's get into that conversation then. when we talk about terms like environmental justice or how the environment affects people's public health, what got you involved in this project, which is brand-new now this weekend on netflix. what drew you to it? shou what should we know if we take a look at it? >> sure, well, you know, i'm born and raised in nova scotia and when i started learning about the degree of environmental racism in nova scotia was terrified. my responsibility and i happen to read dr. ingrid's ground breaking book "there's something in the water." she's a producer on the film and i felt it was crucial to do whatever i could to help elevate

her work and end the voices of those who have been working so hard, the water protectors and activists and essentially reached out to ingrid and we started brainstorming ideas of how we could work together and i don't think either of us expected to be here but here we are and just, you know, environmental racism in general for those not aware, it's about the disproportionate places of landfills, hazardous industry next to indigenous and black communities and other marginalized communities. >> and that brings us to the over lap here. what is on your mind launching a project about this issue when we see the pandemic definitely throughout the world but also in the united states, hits people differently and it has hit the poor so hard, one with the health care problems well documented in the country and

two, people on the margins or poorer or subject to week to week jobs losing their jobs eve the virus. >> yes, and, you know, environmental racism does enter second with a lot of this conversation. right now i'm thinking about black communities that do not have access to clean water. so when we're told to wash our hands is one of the most important things to do, that's very difficult in those communities. these communities are so close to hazard industry, do you have higher rates of respiratory issues, cancer rates? as we know, that makes people more susceptible to the horrific consequences of this virus. so it's -- >> do -- >> -- similar to these issues of marginalized communities being disporti disproportionately affected.

>> they have different layers and elements but folks know you from your fictional work. what made you want to go in this direction? >> well, you know, i mean, again, i think those of us with privilege and a platform, i think we must use it. you know, as we are talking right now about the degree of inequality and this country around the world and i think it's crucial, quite frankly. after making the show with my co-director on the film, showing me exploring lgbtq cultures around the world, being more behind the camera, i'm very interested in non-fiction and again, when i started learning about these issues, it just felt very these voices who have just been, you know, these women who have been doing extraordinary work and needing to be heard more.

i mean, they're -- >> 100%. >> quite frankly. >> since it's on netflix, i'd like to end with a goofy question, if that's okay with you. >> of course. >> should people watch "there's something in the water" on netflix before "tiger king"? >> well, i think so. but. [ laughter ] >> perhaps i'm coming from a bias perspective. >> no, i mean, it's your position to advocate for. have you seen "tiger king" yet? that's the other hot one on netflix now. >> i haven't seen yet -- >> it just launched. it's brand-new. >> yes. >> so i'm revealing to everyone that my instincts of "tiger king" is really something. it's beyond words and "there's something in the water" sounds like a very worthwhile project. both on netflix. thanks for talking to us about

this with everything else going on. thank you very much. >> oh my goodness, thank you so much for having me and appreciate you so much wanting to talk about the film. thank you. >> 100%. ellen paige gets our last word and we will be right back. e getd and we will be right back. we need to unite all the trolls. like rock, reggaeton, and techno. get ready for the drop. wait for it. wait for it. -come on man hit me! wait for it. just do it already! ♪ one more time yeah. hold on one second... sure.

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