factor. doctor daniella lamas thank you for taking time tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. as always this evening the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thanks, my friend. much appreciated to you. thanks to you at home for joining thus hour as well. the united states now has more than 160,000 confirmed cases of covid-19. that means that the united states is now the site of the largest coronavirus epidemic on earth. but we hold that title by a lot. the next largest epidemic on the face of the earth is more like 100,000 cases, we're at 160,000 cases plus, and that number means that we've got roughly double the number of cases already that china had, for the duration of its epidemic thus far. think about that for a second. i mean the president wants to call this the chinese virus, right, the state department is trying to insist that it be called the wuhan virus, the

chinese virus, china has more than quadruple the population of the united states, china did also go first, china is the place where the virus was first recognized, last year, they had this soaring epidemic in china, they have been contending with it for months already. but we've got double their number of cases. and rising. u.s. deaths are now doubling roughly every three days. nearly 3,000 americans have already been killed by this virus. dr. tony fauci, the nation's leading infectious disease expert is now saying bluntly we should expect 100,000 to 200,000 americans to be killed by this virus. it was just a month ago that the president was saying we've got 15 cases, and it's going to go down to zero case, we're doing such a great job with this. we're now at 160,000 cases and climbing. 3,000 americans dead. the government's own experts telling us to brace for 100,000

to 200,000 american deaths. still though, with the most out of control and largest by far epidemic on earth, still, there is no national stay-at-home order in the united states to try to slow down the spread of the virus. and there's no national effort to equalize state efforts in that regard. and you do have states that are calling for stay-at-home orders, more every day, today, maryland and virginia and washington, d.c. and arizona, all finally instituted stay-at-home orders, on their own, today. but it's a patchwork. because there isn't a national response. and so even big states with really big problems, like the state of florida, still has no statewide stay-at-home order. florida has the sixth largest number of cases in the country, but no statewide order to stay at home, to slow the spread of the virus. we're going to have more on that

situation in florida, coming up later on this hour. look also though at the great state of missouri, missouri just recorded a 600% increase in coronavirus cases in one week. it is believed to be the steepest rise in cases of any state in the country. but there too in missouri, no statewide stay-at-home order. we are going to have more on that later on this hour as well, including that state's nurses now pleading with the republican governor of missouri, republican governor mike parson to please institute a statewide order to save their lives, to save nurses' lives, to preserve their ability to safely care for missouri's case load, which again has just risen 600% in a week. no rush though, governor. take your time. maybe the mayors can deal with this instead. maybe the counties can deal with this instead. why worry about it at the statewide level. numbers are rising precipitously. all over the united states. in california, the number of hospitalizations has doubled in four days. the number of patients in

intensive care in california has tripled in four days. california is now doing its own version of what new york has done, they set up something called the california health corps to ask medical students and recently-retired doctors, nurse, and respiratory therapist, and other health workers, to please join up with the state, volunteer, to serve on the front lines, and relieve california hospital staff, when california hospitals start to become overwhelmed. there's also increasing concern about u.s. veteran, the v.a. today reported that they've got more than 1100 coronavirus cases across the whole v.a. testing but they have done very little testing. that said, of the numbers we know of in the v.a. system, look at the breakdown. we all know that new york is the absolute epicenter of the american coronavirus crisis. but while brooklyn and manhattan v.a. facilities are reporting 71 coronavirus cases, look at new

orleans. where the v.a. facility there is reporting more than triple that number. more than triple the number of cases in new york. 239 cases, just among veterans served by the new orleans v.a. the military also closed down paris island today, the u.s. marine corps boot camp facility, after there was an outbreak there. and tonight, we got the first word of a u.s. service member dying from coronavirus in new jersey air national guardsman passing away after testing positive for coronavirus. he had been hospitalized since last week, he is the first u.s. service member known to have died. the hospitalization numbers in new york, in new york in america's worst-hit city, continue their rise. we have been tracking the daily hospitalization numbers every day in new york since they started reporting them on a daily basis last weekend. last saturday, when those daily reports first started coming in new york reported that there were 1,450 coronavirus cases in

new york hospital beds. since then, it hit 2,200 on monday, 4,000 almost by wednesday. and by friday, it was 5,250. in terms of the number of coronavirus patients hospitalized in new york. over the weekend, new york city hospitalizations broke the 6,000 mark. and then the 7,000 mark. as of tonight, the latest numbers that we have show the number of hospitalizations in new york closing in on 8,000. if you put those hospitalization numbers on a graph, you can see the dizzying rise. but also, actually, maybe perhaps, if you squint, you may also be able to see that the rate of increase of new york hospitalizations might be slowing, it might be, and you know, think about this in terms of what we know about the virus. if the hospitalization rate is

slowing, that's good. i mean sickness and death will

we need relief. we need relief for nurses who are working 12-hour shifts. one after the other, after the other. we need relief for doctors. we need relief for attendants. so if you're not busy, come help us. please. and we will return the favor. we will return the favor. >> new york's governor today, basically begging for reinforcements. for new york hospital workers.

new york's health care professionals. as the hospitalization numbers in new york city alone climb through 6,000 through 7,000, and onward in new york. doctors and nurses and other health workers in a hospital called jacoby in the bronx did a silent protest this weekend, you can see them standing six feet apart at the front of the hospital, you can see their signs, will work for new n95 masks. help, we need ppe. we need personal protective equipment. we risk our lives to save yours. ppe now. protect our lives. so we can save yours. brookdale hospital in brooklyn, new york, was the subject of a pretty gut-wrenching report tonight from cnn reporter miguel marquez. >> every corridor, every corner, every ward, every inch of brookdale medical center in

brooklyn, now inundated with those suffering from covid-19. >> what are you looking at on a daily basis? how difficult is this? >> it is a war zone. it is a medical war zone. >> what do you need right now? >> we need prayers. we need support. we need gowns. we need gloves. we need masks. we need more vents. we need more medical space. we need psycho-social support as well. it is not coming in here when you know what you're getting ready to face. >> the deaths here keep coming while filming, another victim of covid-19 victim was moved to the ward, a refrigerated semi trailer out back, the hospital's regular morgue filled to capacity. >> fema's regional administrator for the region confirmed publicly fema is sending more refrigeratored trucks to the new york city area simply to bolster morgue capacity. several dozen active duty military personnel have reportedly been assigned to the

medical examiner's office in manhattan to boost the city's capacity for processing bodies, as hundreds of people are dying per day. it is both new york governor andrew cuomo and new york city mayor bill deblasio who are now publicly calling for a national surge of resources, human resources, and supplies, into new york, mayor deblasio warning as of this weekend, that new york hospital's basic medical supplies, he can guarantee that they will be good, they will be in okay shape, and have the supplies they need to treat patients through this week. and then after that, he doesn't know. he says through sunday of this week. through this weekend, that's what the kind of supply levels that new york hospitals have. but after that, no. new york governor andrew cuomo saying all new york hospitals will try to work together, private hospitals, public hospitals, as if they're all in one state system. so they can try to surge supplies and surge staff along

the new york hospitals, with new york hospitals, but that is a tall organizational order, and that strategy, even though they are trying to put it in place now, is not yet alleviating the conditions in the worst-hit facilities. not at all. >> we don't know who has it. we can't get tested. i cannot get tested. i can't get my family tested. even though i have confirmed exposure from the staff that i work with, and from the patients. why do he would not look like the people in italy? why do he would not look like the people in china? they have better ppe than we do, by far. and they still got infected. we are not putting, there is nothing, there is no other risk, there is nothing else to lose but our lives. >> that's a mount sinai west hospital in new york employee speaking with the "washington post." two new hospital facilities are coming online in new york now. the hospital ship, the usns

comfort, which has now pulled into new york harbor and will not take coronavirus patients, it will take other patients, so that hospitals can keep coronavirus patients themselves, and put noncovid-19 patients on the ship. same deal with the javits center, the human manhattan conference center, which has now been set up, which has now set up, within it, four 250-bed field hospital, and the javits center became operational today, but again, it is not supposed to be taking coronavirus cases. that may be a contested matter, today, new york governor andrew cuomo said that he actually asked for those federal facilities, and the navy's hospital ship, the javits center set up with the army corps of engineer, he said he asked with the federal facilities to please be set up to take coronavirus patients and the federal government said no. we'll take noncoronavirus patients in these facilities. so look forward to getting more information about that. andrew cuomo will be a guest

next hour here on msnbc. there's a special following my hour here tonight, on msnbc, lawrence o'donnell, co-hosting essentially with dr. zika manual, one of the people who they will be talking with tonight is governor cuomo. we shall see. interesting prospects that those federal facility, the facility, the federal government has set up or helped set up in new york, that the state may have wanted them to be for coronavirus patients but the federal government said no. in addition to trying to pursue some answers there tonight, we're also going to be talking about what has gone wrong with the supply chain. for critical medical equipment and the prospect for fixing it. for sort of, you know, fixing this particular airplane as we are flying it, as they say. i mean the focus on that critical failure of the u.s. response is getting more acute all the time. we are seeing case numbers and hospitalization numbers, not only going through the roof, in new york, which is the first and hardest hit place, but we're seeing case numbers and

hospitalization numbers starting to rise all over the country, and we are all over the country, seeing health workers and doctors and nurses, begging for the protective equipment that they need to keep themselves from getting infected, that they just cannot get. we're also seeing governors around the country complaining increasingly loudly, that they can't order supplies. they can't buy supplies. that there aren't any out there, and when they do find them, they find that they're competing against other states, or even against the federal government, in trying to get their orders filled. that without a national federalized nationalized effort to secure these supplies, for the american people, some states just aren't going to get them in this 50-state all, lord of the flies, every compete against each other, system that the federal government is refusing to lead. i want to play you some audio now that was obtained by cbs news tonight. this was audio from a conference

call that was held between the white house and the nation's governors. today. and it's not long. but the first voice you are going to hear is dr. tony fauci, the infectious disease expert and then hour montana democratic governor steve bolek saying without a federal effort to secure the medical supply lines, including test kit, states like his, states like montana are not able to get this stuff themselves. you'll hear the governor express the need to nationalize the medical supply chain. and then in response, at the end of the statement, you will hear the president, president trump, incredibly basically breezing into this conversation and saying this is a prompt? i don't think this is a problem. i haven't heard this is problem. this audio tonight obtained by cbs news. fairly incredible. just listen to this. >> do you have a system in place that you feel can adequately identify cases and isolate them,

and contact trace them, or the capability to do that, that is not something you can do given with what you have? >> dr. fauci, we are trying to do contact tracing, but literally we are one day away, if we don't get a test kit from the cdc, that we would be able to do testing. and we have gone time and time again to the private side of this, the private market, and where the private market is telling us, is that it is a national resource, that they are nen taking our orders apart. are basically we are getting our orders canceled. that is for ppe. that is for testing supplies. that is for testing equipment. so while we're trying to do the contact tracing, we don't have adequate tests to do it, and we don't have ppe on the way and we're not finding markets to be able to do that. >> our private suppliers, we do have to rely on a national chain of distribution, or we're not going to get it. but we are doing our best to try

to do exactly that, in galvin county, for example, where we have almost half of our overrule space, where we're trying to, over all space where we're trying to shift the supply, and have that for contract testing but, contract tracing, but we don't have the tests. >> i haven't heard about this in weeks. we have testing. i haven't heard about testing being a problem. >> i haven't heard about testing being a problem. the president says. you just heard about testing being a problem. that's what you're responding to. somebody telling you that testing is a problem. i haven't heard about testing being a problem. testing kits are among the critical medical supplies that

governors around the country cannot source on their own to cobble together a 50-part symphonic response to what is the worst crisis on the globe when it comes to this virus. >> a governors doing their best trying to cobble together access to testing, access to masks, access to gloves, access to ventilators, 50 governors trying to do it and the president saying i haven't heard this is a problem, i'll back you up if you need it, make sure you say nice things about me, that's the status of the national response to this crisis right now. we have the biggest and worst coronavirus epidemic in the world, and it is slated to get way worse than it is right now. they want to call this the chinese virus. china has half the number of cases that we've already got and you can see the way all of our curves are going right now. in 50 states. in all of our biggest cities. and lots of places that are not big cities at all.

our national response through this crisis has been this kind of useless. there is no nationalization of critical medical supplies. there's a lot of happy talk about how much we have. and then you hear from the nurses and the doctors and the people on the front lines who are actually seeing patients, saying we don't have it, we're being told to use the same mask every day. this is the kind of useless national response that is going to result in the deaths of thousands and thousands and thousands of americans. but this is the federal government that we've got. and so we look elsewhere, it turns out there are other people who maybe have some better ideas about how to pursue this, and maybe there's some chance of those ideas getting through, despite the ongoing nonsense and the disastrous, disastrous fatal leadership, fatal lack of leadership, at the top of the u.s. federal government. we're going to talk about other

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there has been so much consternation and so cons convention, that there is a lack of medical supplies, low tech and high-tech, and in terms of what medical workers need to do their jobs and stay safe on the front line this was pandemic, it remains a flummoxing failure, in the united states, that the national government hasn't nationalized the supply chain. and i say that, not just because i'm flummoxed by it, i say it because even the manufacturers of medical equipment in this country appear to be flummoxed by it. this is from "the wall street journal." quote, producers and distributors of medical supplies across the country are raising red flags of what they say is a lack of guidance from the federal government about where to send their products. company executives say they are ill-equipped to make decisions about which hospitals and states

should first receive their medical supplies, and they're calling on the federal government to step in. quote, we just cannot and never will have a window into what the most urgent need is. in a letter to fema, the head of the held industry distributors association, has now asked the federal government to please designate specific zip codes, or jurisdictions, or specific care facilities as priorities, to receive medical supplies. quote, i am writing to urge fema to provide the strategic direction needed to more effective target ppe supplies based on greatest need. quote the private sector is not in a position to make these judgments. only the federal government has the data and the authority to provide this strategic direction to the supply chain and the health care system. quote, we understand prioritization is on your agenda. but we urge you to expedite that work. the u.s. supply chain for critical medical supplies is an unfixed and increasingly cons

convention national failure, the federal government has not been able to get it together to make it any better but you confront the pandemic with the government you have not with the government you might wish to have. and this is what we've got. given that, could the medical supply chain crisis get better? could it get better for ppe? could it get better for high-tech supplies like ventilators? are there things that we could do even now to ramp up the access to the most critical supplies, specifically for the hospitals and the health workers who have the most acute need. joining us now is donald mcneil, science and health reporter with "the new york times," mr. mcneil, thank you very much for coming back, it's good to have you here. >> thank you for inviting me. the answer to your question is i think is yes, even for ventilators, yes, i'm not so worried about nationalizing the supply, you know, that sets off alarm bells, it is more, i had a text from a friend of mine this morning in san francisco who is

on the board of ucsf, and you know, he said our hospital has more than enough ventilators. we're not seeing the surge of patients. thank goodness for the early moves by the mayor. and i said, you know, wait a minute, we're dying here in new york, if you don't need those ventilators how about lending them to us, and then had the thought, he's not alone, there are hospitals all over this country that are right now not facing surges of patients. while new york, and new orleans and miami and detroit and a few other cities are facing armageddon. and because we're all in lockdown, pandemics cross the country in waves and this has slowed down the wave. instead of hitting every city at once, the way it was going to a little while ago now it will go slowly from city to city so i would think it would make a lot of sense if the pentagon basically was allowed to take control of all of the ventilators in the country, that are now being carefully hoarded by hospital owners and treat it

as a lending library run by the pentagon, and they have the planes to do it, and move them around, to the cities where they are needed, and when those cities get over their hump, their peaks, then they can be moved to the other cities, and you could have a great sort of shifting of ventilators around. it's going to require federal intervention. it is going to require something like, you know, treating ventilators as sort of special federal situation, the way federal machine guns or something like that, you're not allowed, generally, you're not allowed to own but at least you wouldn't be able to afford them but moved around during the duration of the pandemic and returned to the rightful owners when it is all over. because the option right now, is not really great. president trump said today that we've got 50,000 ventilators on the way. but they're not going to be available for 100 days and we don't have 100 days here in new york. we've got two weeks and they only have less than a week in new orleans. so this might be a way to handle this. i know it's going to make the hannity's and the others on the

far right, go this is obama care, and this is a disaster, and it is going to save lives, maybe thousands and thousands of lives, and a lot of those lives are even going to be of people who are advanced years, and maybe have some obesity problems, and might blame donald trump for the loss of those lives, and i don't think it would be bad policy if we could just do so. >> i feel like what you're describing here, has some unique ideas, in this, that i've never heard of before, including using the pentagon to do this, but the basic idea, that ventilators should be surged to places that most need them, i feel like i've heard new york governor andrew cuomo talk about the need to do that. and basically ask for that to be done, in terms of new york needs right now. is there a reason, is there a bottleneck somewhere is, there a bureaucratic problem? is there a reason why it can't be done or it hasn't been done already? >> i don't think anybody has been talking about it very much,

frankly. andrew cuomo has begun looking at that idea and to me this is critical, and there's a lot of other things we could do, because of this crisis. i mean in china, there are 40,000 doctors and nurses and respiratory technicians, that went from all over china to wuha 234678d a , wuhan doctors and helped the doctors fight the virus, and they have been going home and there are victory parades, flowers, and they're heroes, they have skills in fighting koesk covid-19. any doctor will tell you that an old doctor who will tell you they know what to look for and a young doctor who hasn't seen a case before are scared and nervous and don't know what to look for. and a lot of those who caught the virus are now immune and they would be able to do more,

and i don't see why we couldn't hire for our pandemic a lot of those doctors, nurse, respiratory technicians, we would need to find translators but that's not so tough in new york city, we would need to pay them, but american wages look pretty good to chinese doctors, and the bottleneck, i fear, is that the trump administration may be so afraid toed a police that it might need help from outside that it refuses them visas. but again, that would cost lives. i think that would be a mistake. i mean i mean apparently, when trump on friday talked about his conversation with president xi of china, he didn't mention that president xi offered him help, didn't want to mention that at all, but if you look at the reporting out of china, that was clear. i think it's not a good idea to keep insulting china and baiting them, because if you look far enough down the road, president trump may have to go to them with this in his hand because we're going to be able to design

a great vaccine but i don't know if we can run our vaccine plan if too many are sick. i'm not quite sure. we might need vaccine from china and they could simply say, it will be $10,000 a dose, and that's the free market working with you on the bad end of the stick. we don't want to face that. i think we ought to think about opportunities for being smart and getting a hold of the supplies we need and getting a hold of the expertise we need. >> you talked about using the pentagon as opposed to hhs for the ventilator lending library as you described it, and you mentioned that they have the planes to do it, among other things, and they have the logistical abilities, and there is going to be an effort to tap that kind of international expertise, or to partner with china on some sort of vaccine effort, would you also expect that to be something that we might need the u.s. military to be involved with in order for it to work or do you think we would be capable of doing that through existing federal channels?

>> the u.s. military is very good at this stuff. they have gigantic commands for logistics and if you can move tanks you can move ventilators. they have ships to do this sort of thing. and they have planes to do this sort of thing. and they do it incredibly efficiently. why he would not using, why are he would not using them? >> donald mcneil, helmalth reporter for "the new york times." good to have you here. >> thank you. good to have you here. >> thank you. take allegra-d. a non-drowsy antihistamine plus a powerful decongestant. so you can always say "yes" to putting your true colors on display. say "yes" to allegra-d. were cooking with mom. she always said, "food is love," so when she moved in with us, a new kitchen became part of our financial plan. ♪ i want to make the most of every meal we have together. ♪

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it was a week ago that the doctors and the surgeons in the great state of missouri sent a letter to that state's governor, begging him to issue a shelter in place order for that state. quote, dear governor parson, on behalf of the physicians and surgeons practicing in missouri, the missouri state medical association requests the enactment of a shelter in place requirement by executive order. if things progress as is, covid-19 patients will deplete the state's available hospital

bed, ventilators and precious personal protection equipment. any additional time without a shelter in place requirement wastes crucial health care resources, including manpower. that was the doctors of the state of missouri. begging the governor, please, shelter in place order, please slow this epidemic down. here we are a week later. things have progressed as is. over the course of past week, missouri has reported a 600% increase in coronavirus cases. in one week. but there's still no shelter in place order from republican governor mike parson. there hasn't even been an order to close nonessential businesses. many cities and counties have issued their own orders while the governor refuses to. now, missouri's nurses, missouri's nurses associations have also added their voice to the call. they call it a quote urgent plea for governor parson to please order a shelter in place rule for the states. quote, nurses are on the front

lines of patient care and protecting this skilled workforce must be a priority as we fight the covid-19 pandemic. to help curb the growing number of infected we are calling on your office to enact a statewide stay at home and shelter in place order to help slow the spread of covid-19 across the state of missouri. we know that this threat will not subside quickly. we must issue statewide policy support to preserve our health care workforce over the next several months. this is what is needed immediate amly to curb illness, to protect patients, treat patients and protect our nurses, and the rest of the work force. we are committed to working with your administration in addressing this pandemic to help ensure the loss of life in missouri is minimized. missouri's nurses an doctors begging to be protected, to minimize the loss of life in that state. preserve our health care wo workforce. in other words, governor, please keep us alive so we can keep treating people at missouri

hospitals. but even in the face of those pleas, from the doctors and the nurses of the great state of missouri, the missouri governor mike parson said today, he still has no plans to issue any such order. no rush, governor. i will reiterate that the increase in coronavirus cases in the state of missouri was only 600% last week, which is the largest increase in the country, but sure, why not ride it out a little longer and see what happens. 30 states plus washington, d.c. have some sort of a stay-at-home order in place, as of today. but that leaves 20 states, including missouri, that don't. or take florida. florida's cases are doubling every three days now. and those are just the cases that we know about. given florida's notably terrible access to testing. and florida, with 21 million people, and a higher percentage of senior citizens in its population, for any state other than maine, florida still has no

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this is the editorial last week in the miami herald. quote, coronavirus is killing us in florida, governor desantis. act like you give a damn. in that editorial, the paper took aim at what they described as desantis' slow and timid response to coronavirus in that state. this weekend, the governor's team banned that paper's tallahassee bureau chief from attending the governor's press conference. the bureau chief, mary ellen clas said they were refusing her access into the capitol because she quote had requested social distancing from the briefings and a couple of weeks ago like this one, you can see the reporters squeezed in together. no good. the governor's office refused those requests to space out reporters, or to give reporters the ability to ask questions by video link, which would keep everybody safer, but not only did governor ron desantis refuse to make those kind of changes, apparently requesting basic

social distancing procedures at the governor's frequent press events, it is not a request that is refused it is a request that can get you banned from press events in the future. it was called, vindictive, petty and illegal and not surprising and the governor will not issue a statewide stay in place order even as the number of floridians infected with and dead from the virus continues to grow as more tests are done and even as there is overwhelming evidence that staying home is the most effective way to stem the virus spread. when it comes to confronting the coronavirus, the florida governor has abdicated his role as the state's leader. just as floridians look to him for leadership, she be ashamed. that is the editorial board. questions remain as to whether the reporters from those paper, from the miami herald, and the tampa bay times, are being basically, basically being attacked by the governor, for the editorial position of those

papers, and being blocked in some cases from doing their jobs. joining us now is mary ellen klas tallahassee bureau chief from the miami herald and tampa bay times, thanks for joining us. i'm sorry for what appears to be this weird retribution against you and your paper. >> well, it's unusual circumstance. i mean, it's one of the things where we as reporters have been working f working fon st working non-stop to get the word on this and we've become the enemy for some reason. it's head spinningly surprising. >> how much of a, i guess, how beleaguered do you since that the governor feels? what's the environment like politically around these decisions that the governor has made where there have been some local rules put in place, some of which the governor endorsed but describe real criticism and

action, i would say nationwide concern about the lack of a state wide order he's consistently refusing to do any statewide stay at home order. >> well, it's been very interesting because this governor is very close to the president and he has been very consistent in not getting ahead of the cdc guidelines. so every time there has been a change or a development from the cdc florida governor desantis has been on board with that. so yesterday, when the president announced that he was going to extend the social distancing guidelines, you know, through may, we sort of expected that there would be some change of heart for the governor and sure enough, when we had his press availability in south florida today, he announced that florida would or the south florida counties would continue what he's calling safer at home, safer at home policy. now, this was new for this governor.

he had previously just relied on the local, the county officials in broward, miami-dade, palm beach county where they are the place that's had the most cases in florida. he's relied on them to impose orders. for the first time, he's kind of embraced them and acknowledged them but and he said today that they would be in effect until may 15th and then three hours later, he changed his mind and said he really meant to say april 15th. in someways, he actually is not going as far as the president in florida and we still do not have any statewide order. right now, it's still just limited to the counties around the state that have done or the cities that have done these orders on their own. >> and just to be clear, those south florida counties that are going to have the safer at home, stay at home order, the governor initially announced today that

he was essentially endorsing those, that it would be good for the south florida counties to do that, but he said they would do that until mid may and then a few hours later he said no, no, no, mid april? >> yeah, he said he misspoke but in between there was a conversation that the governors had with vice president pence and although we're still kind of unsure how the governor made this mistake, what was the intent, it's just somewhat confusing. we haven't gotten the reason as to why he decided to shorten that. and, you know, frankly, the way the cases are trending right now in florida, it doesn't appear that by the middle of april, florida will even be at its peak. we're continuing to see a trend upward and that's one of the other frustrating things about covering this governor is unlike other states where they have told you what their modelling is telling them, we are ramping up,

we're building alternative hospitals, we are doing things that are showing that we're anticipating a surge but the governor just won't tell us what they see in those models and what their projections are. >> wow. tallahassee burro chief for the "tampa bay times." thank you for joining us. i would tell you, what i've been talking to national experts and people on the public health side of this and there is national talk about a bunch of different parts of florida, south florida in particular but a bunch of different places that look like they are dry tender in florida and it will help us all as americans to understand the policy response. scary situation. thanks for helping us understand it. >> thank you. all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. all right. we'll be right back. stay with us ojects to do. you need a tractor that can do it all right. you need the #1 selling sub-compact tractor in the u.s..

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projecting a 32% national unemployment rate, they americans are able to stay at home right now, which we need to do to save potentially millions of lives, is by depending on people who are still working, people who are for example delivering mail and packages, people like grocery workers. and those folks do have it hard right now. they are very obviously essential workers. but many of them say they are working in conditions that are unhealthy and unsafe. this was a walkout, a strike today at an amazon fulfillment center in new york city where workers had to continue to work in close quarters in a building that wasn't properly sanitized after a co-worker tested positive for coronavirus. they complained about a lack of hand sanitizer and social distancing and sick pay. workers at amazon and as many as 150,000 workers at the grocery delivery service instacart went on strike today. if we are going to get through this as a country, we need to

stay at home for a long while and we need our grocery workers and delivery workers. they are keeping this country running. they need proper equipment and proper working conditions just like our doctors and nurses are. that's going to do it for us tonight. now it is time for a special hour here on msnbc "life in the time of coronavirus hosted by lawrence o'donnell and dr. ezekiel. that starts right now. ♪ ♪ the coronavirus, there's a good chance by now you know someone who has it, suspects they have it or even died from it. since the first reported case three months ago, covid-19 has taken over everything. our health care. >> people are dying. we don't have the tools that we need in the emergency department. >> our financial future. >> what's going to happen with paying rent, with paying vendors and taxes we need to