tv Deadline White House MSNBC April 3, 2020 1:00pm-2:00pm PDT
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hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. it was always going to come to this -- the federal government that donald trump leads was going to miss the credibility and clarity it squandered. donald trump whos has clocked more than 16,000 lies as president and who refuses to acknowledge saying things that are literally documented on tape when those statements no longer to serve his political goal, now struggling to convince americans to do the very things he needs him to do, follow the advice of his top docs and stay home to avoid a more catastrophic outcome in the face of the coronavirus pandemic, now at a moments where our lives literally depend on it, the
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white house top doctors bemoan the fact that some people just aren't getting it. deborah birx warning that the data shows the amount of social distancing happening in this country today is still not enough to flatten the curve. >> we're only as strong as every community, every county, every state, every american following the guidelines to a "t." and i can tell by the curve and as it is today that not every american is following it. and so this is really a call to action, we see spain, we see italy, we see france, we see germany, when we see others to bend their curves we can bend ours but it means everybody has to take that same responsibility as americans. >> dr. anthony fauci was openly be wildered that we have yet to
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see a nation stay at home order. >> i don't understand why that's not happening. as you said the tension between federally mend dated versus states' rights to do what they want is something that i don't want to get into. but i don't understand why we're not doing that. >> the top doctors on donald trump's own task force can't understand why we're not doing more but a brand-new piece of reporting in the washington post attributes at least part of the problem to the confusion that the president himself has sewn. as trump has sought to remake his his public image from that of a skeptic of the pandemic's danger to a savior fore stalling cat strophe and protecting hundreds of thousands of people from a vashs contagion, he also has distorted the truth, making
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edits. the result is chaotic. leaders from maine to oregon and from dayton, ohio, to austin say they're constituents are whip sawed by the contradictory messages e man nating each day from the presidential lectern. more than a quarter of million cases in the u.s. more than 6700 deaths. new york's share of those numbers is staggering. more than 100,000 cases and 3,000 deaths. in new york state after its deadliest day by far, 562 deaths just in the last 24 hours the largest single-day increase yet. as. the pandemic tightens its grip on the nation, donald trump thrust his son-in-law jared kushner into the limelight. he suggests the stock pile belongs to him. >> it was supposed to be our
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stockpile not states' stock pile. we're encouraging the states to make sure they're assessing the need getting the data from their local situations and then trying to fill it with the supplies that we've given them. >> the suggestion that tra steejic national stockpile exists for anything other than the american people in every state who desperately need that equipment invited rebukes from governors from across the country and at least one from colorado wrote this lettin a le last night, quote, is sns is a critical resource for states facing grave public health emergencies, and we must take every step to make sure that there's a robust supply of working medical supplies and equipment on hand. t the. from the "the new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker.
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the director of the national center for disaster preparedness at columbia university. and ben rhodes is back. peter baker, let me start with you, we've had this conversation around donald trump's whip s sawing comments about his own justice department, around a government shutdown which was certainly a life and death matter at the time but is something different when donald trump wants to use the bully pulpit from where he stands, dr. fauci stands, dr. birx stands to fight a deadly pandemic that can only be fought by changing human behavior. all the lies he's told, all the contra decks, the weeks, the weeks like a miracle, coronavirus is going to go away is catching up to him. >> no question that a president's message at a time like this matters. look at different states. some states have taken it upon
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themselves to be more aggressive than the federal government but other states have held back, waiting, not taking it as seriously as dr. birx indicated yesterday at that briefing. some are waiting for guidance from the top. governor desantis in florida for instance didn't impose the kind of restrictions we were seeing until he talked to donald trump on the phone. other people thought that florida should be moving more aggressively. it matters when a president says from that podium. his messages have been careening all over the place. one day saying, you know, it's going to disappear like a miracle and he's going to quarantine the northeast and then he's not. it's not surprising that people are confused by what message he wants to get across. the other day when the most dire
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numbers were presented at that briefing it seemed like he believ believed the americans need. that exchange yesterday with dr. birx he hasn't fully agreed that it poses a threat across the country only in his view a handful of places not across the board. >> doctor, we're seeing something that is pretty jarring especially for people like peter who covered white house in crisis, ben rhodes and i were worked in white houses during crises, real alarm from the two top scientists i sounded like dr. birx sounded her most exasperated yesterday when she said people aren't getting it. and dr. fauci sounded defeated last night, i don't understand at this point there's not a nationwide quarantine. the day before, dr. fauci and
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mike pence saying we're most comparable to italy. why can't they convince this president to stay on script, if he can't stay on script to take a backseat? >> you know, i don't think any of us have seen like anything like this. this is -- i keep looking at these sources of other things to say, it's just jaw dropping, the addition of jared kushner to the equation with one of the most ignorant statements i heard from a public official, the strategic national stockpile was ours. it was speckly designed and set up to expressly provide relief to localities when we're facing disasters. it's ridiculous. here's the thing, when the postmortem is finally done with
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this response on the federal level is going to three main issues we'll be trying to understand, what happened with this entirely messed up ability to do testing that we needed many, many weeks ago that we didn't take the offer from the world health organization and other countries like germany to actually give us effective tests so we're way behind that 8 ball and our inability to make sure our hospital systems are protected is stagger ingly incompetent but also very, very dangerous. those frontline workers including my son who's an e.r. doctor here in new york city, like going -- >> to have the president over and over reassuring us that everything was under control, five seconds later, dr. fauci
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got up and said the worst is yet to come and that exasperation has been going on for a very long time. you got to hand it to people who are professionals who stand there at the podium next to the president who's incoherent, dishonest about the message he puts out there. it's staggering. it's hard to find the words to describe it. >> you know, ben rhodes, at this phase of a crisis where any individual who's infected especially one who's asymptomatic, even reporting that the tests are available which aren't enough available aren't all reliable, there are people who are getting false-negative. every person is a threat to another person. what possible exfla nation is there that appears to be
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parallel reality? he sees these briefings as the donald trump rally but not save american lives. >> compare the response of south korea or germany to what's happening in the united states where there was early coordinated aggressive action and get clear messaging to citizens and they already bended the curve. i think about when we were in government during ebola and other crises, you want to make sure that all of your decisions are being borne by the best scientists like dr. fauci. number two, there's someone who's incredibly competent making sure we're doing whatever those people say, we're getting tests out, equipment out to hospitals. . number three, the president's role is to communicate a very clear and direct message to the
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american people with no ambig juity what they need to know about their health and safety. we all know because we're sitting here on skype in our homes we know that the only way to save lives is for people to shelter in place, the fact that we're not there yet, the fact that individual mayors and governors are having to make decisions because president trump hasn't been able to convey that message is astonishing. it's frankly nicolle making it that other governors and mayors debating what kind of message they need to communicate to their residents. >> yeah, you know, peter baker, your paper has some extraordinary reporting on the emergence of jared kushner. he had his first public turn to
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the podium yesterday, he's been involved behind the scenes for days not weeks. that's not instill confidence of the close watchers of this white house. he had a heavy role for the shutdown that didn't end well for the president. how did jared kushner end up the pointman on the white house coronavirus? >> a moment where there was basically a void at the top, remember the president fired his acting chief of staff mick mulvaney on march the 6th as this pandemic was taking hold and the crisis was growing really exponentially at that point. he named mark meadows a close ally, as his next chief of staff. he didn't take over the job until this week. you needed someone to step in
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that void, and that was jared kushner. to go to hhs, go to fema, to cut through red tape, bring people together. look, he doesn't have an expertise in this. he's not a health expert. he has the ear of the president so when agency officials hear from him they believe they're hearing from the president. that could be good or bad. there are some complaints at fema when the president hears from a governor or a couple of governors they didn't get these supplies or want these supplies and has jared kushner call them and say go ahead and ship them. there's a concern on a part of fema whether or not this is a national prioritization, supplies are being sent to the right place at the right time based on the whole picture than a phone call. on the other hand, of course n
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the absence of anyone taking on this role, kushner was kind of able to fill a void. mark meadows has arrived and will play an active role. it's interesting to see him at that briefing yesterday. we don't see him in public very often. the fact that he came out and described his role. >> you know, peter baker. ben rhodes and i we don't have to be. it's galling. jared kushner cure rates his images in a way that's shocking even shocking for washington standards. "the new york times" writes this, in recent days, administration officials say the fema has received surprise
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directive froms the white house including to dispatch deliveries of medical equipment to states that had not even submitted formal questions based on which governor got mr. trump on the telephone. this is what peter is describing. this is incompetence, this is putting your unqualified son-in-law in charge something. ben rhodes. >> yeah, nicolle, i think in any case when you're dealing with an ongoing crisis the idea of shifting command and shifting lines of authorities and communication is a terrible idea because it can send confusion through the government. you need seamless coordination between the federal government and the states but also between these agencies of the federal government, fema, and then you introduce jared kushner, we've been talking for years about all the challengesened problems of
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someone who's completely unqualified. now we're in life and death situation of a pandemic, of a potential recession if not depression in this country, this is not the time for training wheels. this is not the time to put your son-in-law in charge of something that impacts the livelihoods and economic well-being of every american here, all of the characteristics of the trump administration that we've been concerned for years the inability to tell the truth, it's all unfortunately being manifested in this response. it's not what we want. we want people like dr. fauci, we want the scientists to be driving this process and hopefully averting worst case outcomes. instead here we are many weeks into this crisis with a new person jared kushner in charge who has no qualifications to be there. >> one of his first tests a near
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imminent shortage of ventilators in new york, nbc news is reporting that president trump has said help is on the way in the form of 100,000 ventilators that are being manufactured but fema officials said the bulk would not be available, quote, until late june alt the earliest, where will we be by late june? >> where will we be next week? in big trouble in places like new york. they're running out of mechanical ventilators, among the very few tools we have to save lives when people have severe covid-19 infections. so, it's late, it's hard to believe anything that comes out of the white house now in terms of certainly things like time lines, very late implementation of the defense production act is shameful, disgraceful and dangerous, and there are reports we're selling some of our ppe
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and ventilators to countries overseas, if that's actually true and i think it might by don't know how to compute the irrationality and irresponsibility of that. i can't understand why we got so incompetent. i look back, maybe i'm not supposed to say this, i'm just a doctor, i'm looking at the impeachment articles that got passed by the house and acquitted by the senate, they seemed naive compared to the incompetence we're seeing in this pandemic crisis, it's shocking that we have leadership at the top that would even remotely to think to bring jared kushner into the equation at this particular time. we can't even believe any sort of time line about things like when will the tests be available with rapid results, when will we
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get the ventilators? it's all fantasy land. paying a heavy price in the human toll that this inco incompetence is going to take on the american people. it didn't need to be this way. >> doctor, quick last question for you, what does your son say, what do doctors say about the fact that we still don't have reliable or adequate amounts of tests in this country? we're still flying blind simply treating the sickest of the sick patients. >> my son is very, very distremendoused about this. a nurse who he works side by side died a few days ago of covid. >> i'm so sorry. >> michael, my son admitted to his older brother who had covid. it's a did sas thor. >> i'm so sorry.
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our gratitude goes out to your son and all his colleagues. my sympathies for the loss of his colleague, the nurse he worked with. doctor, we'll call on you early and often. peter baker, thank you for spending some time with us today. when we come back -- "the new york times" is out with another stunning piece of journalism, on the cia, its warning to the white house that the coronavirus data out of china can't be relied on and what makes this even harder for the u.s. to fight that china doesn't even know the true extent of their infections plus, healthcare workers across the country protesting today for better and safer equipment as they battle the pandemic on the front lines. we'll talk with a nurse pleading for help. and this sendoff to the captain of the aircraft carrier relieved of his duties for sounding the alarm on kro video-19 to protect his sailors.
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there are mounting concerns today surrounding the coronavirus data that china is sharing with the rest of the world. "the new york times" this afternoon reporting that the cia has been warning the white house since at least early february that china has, quote, vastly understated its official number of infections and our predictive models shouldn't rely on the data. that's gut punch, ground zero for the disease. "the new york times" points out, quote, the american intelligence agencies has concluded that the chinese government itself doesn't know the extent of the virus. midlevel bureaucrats in the city of wuhan where the virus
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originated have been lying about infection rates, fearful if they report numbers that are too high they'll be punished, lose their position, or worse, current and former intelligence officials said. joining us is "the new york times" security reporter julian barnes. take us through your reporting. the data out of china wasn't to be trusted completely and that what if protended for us we had to be more aggressive and it seems like we did the opposite. >> that's exactly right. you hit the nail on the head on why this information so so important, that the ground zero of the public health disaster, if you don't have accurate numbers from there it's going to be much harder to predict the spread of the disease and much harder to understand what measures you need to put in
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place and quite frankly act fast enough. now, the -- this administration intelligence agencies have been skeptical forever from chinese official numbers, no matter what the issue but particularly when it comes to pandemics, particularly when it came to the covid. and so from early february, the cia and other agencies were saying, you know, don't trust the chinese numbers and you know, there's been demand, hey, can the intelligence agencies discover a better number? as you mention, the reality is the chinese themselves don't know. there's no number to get because of this process. now some of it's natural there's a lot of unknowns about this virus, lot of countries get their testing swamped, getting their hospitals swamped by this but the product of authoritarian
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country misreporting up the chain and you can't trust the numbers you get. >> you know, julian, this might sound like a weird question or a weird parallel, but i worked in the white house on 9/11 and it was only a matter of time before the that george w. bush had about the threat that bin laden represented would be declassified and shared with congress and shared with the american people, are you aware of any efforts to declassify or make public or share with congress the kind of information that went to the president and i guess, more importantly, when that intel went to the president about the potential danger that the coronavirus pandemic in china represented to americans? >> i think we're going to -- the public is going to demand to know what the white house knew, how it acted upon that and we are from reporting getting the first sort of outlines about that, when was the message first
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heard. adam schiff has already called for a commission to investigate, to get at that very question you asked, was there a ppd to focus on this. we have to remember in early january, there were a lot of things going on distracting this administration, impeachment, near war with iran, those are what any investigation of the administration's handling of this is going to have to look at, how well were those warnings heard, who was making them, who was listening? >> and ben rhodes, i guess one of the questions, who asked those questions? you got chairman burr in the middle of a scandal himself about what he knew and when he knew it because he managed to have enough information at least from the outside it looks like he sought to gain financially, who even has the ball i'm trying
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to get back to know when the white house knew from an intel standpoint. >> as you have, given senator burr's challenging it's likely to come from the house, that nancy pelosi the oversight, regarding coronavirus generally. i would say that like you, i talked to intelligence people current and former what's pretty clear is that the warnings were there in january and february. frankly it's not even having -- public health firms were sounding the aall right in january and february. either he was ignoring warnings or he wasn't reading the briefings. i want to add, what's so distressing about this, i have no doubt that the chinese aren't reporting the full truth. i also wish frankly that our
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governments could work together better in this, we're in an absolute public health crisis globally and what you don't see anywhere is coordinated international response. there have been tensions a trade war between the u.s. and the china. that kind of thing makes it harder when something like develops to trust one another, to share data and have experts from us go on the ground in china. the public health expert in china had been recalled before the coronavirus because of budget cuts. i'd like to see all these governments to work together across borders than they have to date. given the cast of characters in charge that's not likely. >> julian barnes, let me give you the last word on this. you have been on the show at other points, real pressures between the president and the intelligence community, over russia, iran, or north korea where donald trump simply didn't like the intel, he didn't like
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the facts as the intel community presented them, is there any sense that was at play here? or is it your understanding that this intel didn't make it to him until it was too late? >> that's a critical question, because as you said has a relationship with the intelligence community that's unlike any other when we go back to that period in early february, we know that the acting director of national intelligence was being removed that president trump was unhappy with how the intelligence agencies were reporting about election interference to congress. so, that's going on at the beginning of this. on the other hand, there's no evidence that right now the president is not listening to his intelligence agencies and is not trusting what they're saying about the virus. so we need to learn more but you're asking good questions. >> well, julian barnes, we'll
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he sent a letter pleading with u.s. navy officials for help after he found over 100 people onboard infected. it said this, quote, this will require a political solution but it's the right thing to do. we're not at war. sailors don't need to die. if we don't act now we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset -- our sailors. navy officials said he exercised poor judgment in that, undermined national security by sending the letter to too many people. joining us now from capitol hill representing the great state of new york, democratic senator kirsten jigillibrand. what do you have to say about captain crozier and his decisionmaking? >> i'm the ranking on the personal submit tee and i think what he displayed was extraordinary leadership under a crisis situation.
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he put his sailors first. he obviously sacrificed himself for the good of his sailors and i think he should be commended not fired. i've called on the military to do an inspector general investigation into why he fired. he wrote a letter up the chain of command asking for emergency relief because he knew how contagious the coronavirus is and how much at risk his sailors were. >> he was fired by the acting navy secretary, would you like to see him before the committee and understand the decisionmaking before his dismissal. >> absolutely. i think there need to be a thorough investigation and we need to do a full hearing. >> so do you think at this moment, as you said you're the ranking member on armed services, enough being done to protect the men and women of the
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military, does the military have access to any more testing than the rest of us? >> no, in fact i recommended it on our most recent call, for example, we have the "comfort" in the new york harbor we immediate to have one of those rapid test from abbott lab outside the comfort so they can quickly test patients whether they're covid-positive or not. right now, we have 20 people on the ship. it has a capacity of 1,000. the problem is the difficulty in jumping through all the hoops that the military's requiring to declare somebody covid-free. we need a rapid test. it needs to be in the new york harbor. we should have it available in all of our hospitals. >> you know, can you explain this story a little bit more to our viewers? it's a big story here in new york and it's something that donald trump boasts about, i
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don't know what cuomo is complaining about, you just pointed out the problem, can't get on the patients have to be guaranteed free of covid. can you explain this. >> yes, so, the governor and the health department decided that when the comfort came they wanted to treat noncovid patients because they believed they wouldn't be well treated given the urgency of covid-19, that decision was made and unfortunately the military has so many hoops that a patient has to jump true to prove they're covid-free and testing is taking too long they're not getting to the ship. that should be looked at again. in the meantime, let's get testing at a minimum, get rapid testing outside the ship so patients don't have to go into a regular hospital to be tested
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first and then brought to the ship they should be able to do triage right there and then and get more patients there. >> senator, i live in new york and i follow all the news and obviously this is a national tragedy but i'm constantly refreshing the sites that monitor the numbers of infections no new york, i'm constantly looking at the numbers of hospitalizations, i listen to governor cuomo's press conferences, i wonder about your thoughts about how coronavirus has rav average zbld the governor is doing his job. he's trying to get the ppe in place for hospital workers as well workers in vital industries, food industry, grocery stores, pharmacies, food needs to get to people. i believe we need to use the stockpile more aggressively,
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there are still millions of masks sitting in the u.s. stockpile, still tens of thousands of ventilators available, they should be available now to the regions hit the hardest. we need abbott labs to send out their rapid test kit to every hospital now so they can be in thousands of hospitals this week, we need to be able in terms of your numbers, we have to be able to show the number of people who have recovered. these are the thousands and thousands of who have recovered. that's the hopeful story. i was just on a conference call with our older americans, aarp hosted it, they wanted to know, is anyone with diabetes ever recovered? the answer is yes, but nobody knows those stories because we aren't making enough information available for those who have recovered as well. we need more testing, we need
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more supplies and ppe, we should absolutely empty the stockpile, we gave the government $16 billion to restock the national stockpile, let's get all those masks out and all those ventilators out now. what we're seeing is each city seems to be having their own time line when they hit peak. we should be able stagger the ventilators and masks when they're needed. technology when we clean the masks and other ppe effectively, we should be using that technology in every hospital. we can clean them and reuse them. the truth is, we need leadership and the white house hasn't shown it. >> senator gillibrand, thank you for spending time with us. >> thank you. after the break, a tipping point at the front lines of the coronavirus outbreak, nurses in new york now forced to protest over a lack of personal
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this is life or death. every hospital in the state of new york and across the united states should have the supplies they need. >> we are afraid for our patients. we are afraid for our families and our lives. >> they failed to protect us as healthcare workers, as citizens, they're putting all of us at risk every single day.
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>> those are nurses outside mount sinai hospital in new york this morning protesting over the lack of personal protective equipment available to them as they battle this virus on the front lines. and they are not alone. nurses in multiple states are protesting over the shortage of ppe. we need to act fast because we need them right now. >> it doesn't matter how many ventilators we get, if we are dead and we can't run the ventilators, respiratory therapists, frontline care givers are sick, dying, there won't be anyone left to take care of the public. >> joining our conversation now the president of the american nurses association, dr. earnest grant and nbc news correspondent heidi -- take me what this experience is like, to be asked to do so much, unthinkable, put themselves and their own
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families in danger not only with a lack of supplies but suspicio suspicious by the president of them hoarding ppe. >> these are people who are putting their very lives on the line. they're taking care of people who have been infected with this virus and they rightfully have the fear they macon tract it or worst yet, bring it home to their family members. those who are protesting are doing what they feel is the need to call attention to the public of how very dire this situation is and the need for personal protective equipment to be brought to those at the front lines. >> you know, anyone who has been hospitalized has come away feeling like it's -- it's the nurses who really care for you, my colleague stephanie ruhle had
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a segment earlier this week about talking how now because of the steps that hospitals are taking nurses are the ones who are with you if and when you die, without family members in the hospital nurses are being asked to do even more, can are o do even more. can you talk about that? >> you know, i have been a nurse for 41 years and have never regretted choosing that profession. we are with that patient 24/7, seven days a week. you know, you establish a bond with them and during this extraordinary challenging time obviously as you are hearing nurses are going above and beyond to still be that in between for the patient and their family member when they are transitioning and it just goes to show you the extraordinary challenge that nurses are facing. and also people that take up the mantel to, you know, to go into the profession and how they care about their fellow man.
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>> heidi, a doctor was on the son earlier in the hour and his son was an e.r. doctor and the nurse that works along side him lost her life to covid-19. doctors and nurses are literally the highest risk people in the country right now. >> that nurse is not exaggerating when she said we are no good to you if we ourselves are dead. we saw new jersey, the first death of an e.r. physician. i have done reporting and the numbers that are coming in on infection rates. these are early. there is no aggregate source. it is at a state level. of the states keeping track like minnesota and ohio, health care workers account for up to 20% of overall infections and the doctors and the nurses i talked to said it is a result of inadequate ppe and as a result of the constant viral overload
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of the virus that they are every day, you know, exposed to. and they say that there is an absolute disconnect between what we are seeing from the podium at the white house and what they are experiencing on the frontlines. we are only now trying to get more information about why this is. why is there a big disconnect from the white house. every day he gives us these numbers of millions of masks and gloves. where are they? why aren't they on the faces of the nurses and doctors and now we are getting the answers. that they are going through the same old distribution chains and being marked up and causing states to have to bid and be in bidding wars for them. >> dr. grant, what can people do? i think that people that are at home watching the news feel helpless and they want to
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protect the people on the frontlines keeping us safe. what can they do? >> well, there are three things i would ask the general public to do. number one is to listen to the local officials or the authorities as they are telling you to stay at home and practice good hand hygiene so that we can prevent the spread of this virus. the second thing is the american nurses association has started a coronavirus nurse recovery fund, and if they could take out their cell phone and text the word thanks to 20222 and donate $10, this fund will go to help nurses as far as mental health needs and help with continuing education as we are getting newer information about this virus and just their general relief fund, you know, for nurses. and the third thing is that if you know of someone in your community two is a member of the health care team check on their family members while they are at
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work. random acts of kindness really do go a long way. >> dr. grant, we will put all of that information online today for all of our viewers. thanks for spending time with us. after the break, a bus driver, world renowned doctor and a pop sensation. we are saying good-bye to them when we come back. we are saying good-bye to them when we come back. the regions that my family was from. greater details. richer stories. and now with health insights. get your dna kit at ancestry.com. and i don't count the wrinkles. but what i do count on is boost high protein. and now, introducing new boost women... with key nutrients to help support thyroid, bone, hair and skin health. all with great taste. new, boost women. designed just for you. new, boost women. i don't have to worry about that, do i?are irritated. harmful bacteria lurk just below the gum line. crest gum detoxify, voted product of the year. it works below the gum line to neutralize harmful plaque bacteria and help reverse early gum damage. gum detoxify, from crest.
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i feel violated. i feel violated for the folks that were on the bus when this happened. it is a good eight or nine people she stood there and coughed. never covered up her mouth. so to those that are watching, i am letting you know that this is real. y'all need to take this serious. >> that was 50-year-old jason hargrove, a city bus driver in detroit less than two weeks ago. rightfully outraged at the woman that coughed on his bus in the
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midst of a pandemic. four days later jason started to feel ill and this week he died. his plea for basic protective measures and his resolve to keep the city moving is why we are thinking of him and his family and his warning today. another passing we want to tell you about, dr. john murray, perhaps his greatest achievement was defining acute respiratory distress syndrome and it was that condition brought on by the coronavirus that ultimately led to his death. he was 92. and christina monet zilkha died this week. she influenced so many newer artists. she was 61. thank you for letting us into your homes during this extraordinary time and spend a little bit of time with you. our coverage begins with chuck todd right after this. r coveragk
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