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24-hour period bringing the state's total to 2,935. the state added 10,482 cases in that same time frame of which 1,427 patients are being hospitalized. 335 new yorkers are in intensive care. to make matters worse, the state is set to run out of ventilators in four days. governor cuomo described the situation and the solution with msnbc's rachel maddow. >> the one silver lining here is not every place in this country gets hit at the same time, right? why don't we devise a national strategy that moves with that rolling apex, if you will. i need roughly 30,000 ventilators, which i can't get, but i only need 30,000 ventilators for two or three weeks at the top of my curve. why don't we have a -- use our national unity and our
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commonality and say let's be smart. let's go help this place. when that town goes over its curve, then we'll go to the next, then we'll go to the next. otherwise you're saying to every state, every locality, you must be prepared on your own to handle this. >> meanwhile, this russian military cargo plane filled with supplies from a russian entity under u.s. sanction no less landed in new york city this week. as a former top u.s. official brett mcgurk notes a propaganda bonanza as our own government shrinks. >> joining me now clinical assistant prfrgs at nyu lan gone health, and senior columnist at the intercept and the host of the deconstructed podcast. good morning to both of you. dr. roy, let's start with you. it is now weeks into this thing, and we continue to have
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conflicting information about the availability of tests, the availability of supplies, the availability of ventilators, and how serious this matter actually is. i would say in this last week the presidential briefings have become a little more newsworthy as they have turned to data as opposed to opinion, but where do you think we stand right now? >> well, i'd say good morning, ali, but waking up to a national death toll of 7,000 on almost 2,000 in new york city alone just doesn't feel so good. look, on your show and on every show here on msnbc, on nbc, you've had a string, a legion of medical, public health experts, scientists, researchers, governors, lifelong military officials who are experts in logistics give the same message, which is that we need to activate the defense production act to mass produce life saving
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medical supplies and then federalize the distribution of said supplies directly to hospitals so that doctors and nurses can do their job, which is save lives. i just -- none of this nonsense of like, oh, the private sector and then they need to bid, governors need to bid. that's nonsense. what are we waiting for? are we waiting for a certain threshold number of deaths before leadership will act? are we waiting for a specific person or a group of people to die? i just don't get it. you know, and so then my mother, i recalled a story my mother used to tell me, just try to see the good in everybody. so then i thought about this. maybe when you're so far removed from the actual problem, when you're so far removed from what's happening in realtime, it's hard to maybe understand what's going on. so i invite the president and his adviser folks to come to new york, any number of hospitals,
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elmhurst, queens, and shadow a nurse as she or he dons their equipment, which is by the way in dwindling supply and shadow him or her as she triages patients, obtains vital signs, administers medications, and then spend a few minutes standing side by side with a doctor as she or he then makes the gut wrenching decision to decide who they're going to intubate, who they're going to ex ex ex extubate and who they're going to withdraw care from, and i think only then will they appreciate the gravity situation. >> take your pick of the things we have heard this week, jared kushner giving a marie antoinette type of speech at the white house about this is our stockpile, you find yours. governor brian kemp of georgia saying two days ago he had just heard within the last 24 hours that people who are asymptomatic can spread this infection, ron
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desantis after a several week delay in shutting down florida continuing to make surprising comments. we have an absence of unified leadership, so i mean, if lip pi roy or other people like that or general russel honore or andrew cuomo were sort of leading this change, at least we've had unified messages based on science. but we don't have that. >> al leeri i would say one thi. i don't think there's an absence of unified leadership. i think it's very unified leadership. they're all unified in their ignorance, in their denialism, their callousness, the people you just mentioned from the republican party, those governors, that president, his son-in-law, they all have the same approach, which is to play it down, which is to pretend things are getting better. turn this into a partisan, states that voted for him get resources and states that didn't vote for him don't get the same level of resources.
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what we're seeing right now in realtime is government by the worst people, led from the top by donald j. trump and his son-in-law jared kushner. on what planet is jared kushner put in charge of the white house's response to the coronavirus? this is a man who's failed at everything he's touched. you and i have discussed him many times before on your show. he failed at trying to run a new york newspaper, failed at the property business that his criminal father gifted to him. failed at trying to bring peace to the middle east, and now failing at trying to handle this major public health crisis, which he's not qualified to handle. you mentioned the quote from him and donald trump saying these are our ventilators. this is the federal government stockpile, this is for ourselves, whoch. who is the us, who is the ourselves? if the federal government doesn't stand up for the 50 states in the united states, who does it stand up for? it's bizarre at the level of incompetence, indifference, completely crazy. >> i don't know why you're selling the deal of the century
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mideast deal down already, we haven't given it a chance. dr. lip p y roy, i'm kidding by the way. you and i both started our careers in toronto so we both know that wayne gretzky said skate to where the puck is going, not to where the puck has been. you're concerned about the fact that we're still talking about respirators, which we should be because we don't have enough for the country, but you think there are a bunch of things we should be talking about right now because they're two, three, four weeks out. >> skate to where the puck is going, not where it has been. and by the way, anthony fauci has been using that metaphor a lot too. we need to be thinking two or three steps ahead. we still keep talking about ppe and vents being justifiably so because we still don't have those. you know what else we're going to be running out of? all of these medications such as albuterol and steroid inhalers and antibiotics that need to be used to treat all these respiratory infections. yeah, some of them for covid,
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but what about all the other people that are coming in with respiratory infections that require hospitalization. and then even more critically, how about the people that require icu level care and ventilation? remember, in order to intubate somebody, you need to sedate them. you need to give them narcotics and analgesics because without intubation, you can't ventilate. if you can't ventilate, the patients are going to die. we're going to be running out of these medications. doctors have been saying this for several days, if not weeks, we have to be planning ahead here, ali. >> thank you to both of you, dr. lippy roy for helping our viewers stay informed about the very important and accurate medical and scientific part of this. don't go anywhere. joining me now is brian granulati, the president and ceo of the atlantic health system and the immediate past chair of the board of trustees for the american hospital association. brian, i just want you to pick up where lippy roy left off
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about this shortage of crucial medication. in fact, there's medication tied to the fact that people are in icu on ventilators and that hasn't been discussed all that much. there's a potential shortage there as well. >> yes, thank you ali for having us here. the notion of a canary in the coal mine is one that i think about, and northern new jersey is one train stop out of the city, so we are in that complete zone. in terms of thinking forward, this issue on medications is critically important, and this week we escalated that through the american hospital association with our partners at ama and in other organizations to try to say to the federal government you need to really address this issue, and you need to do it now. you've got to allow drug companies to be able to manufacture these kinds of things, but at the same time we need to make sure that they can
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do it, and that they're willing to do it, and that is going to be critically important. the physician that was just describing the impact of not having these critical medications on ventilated patients is startling and in some ways inhumane, and we have to focus on that issue as an emerging one, and thank you for bringing that up. >> not dealing with this medication issue as performing surgery without anesthetic. what's the impediment to being able to either produce or import the necessary medication to deal with all of the americans who are going to be on respirators or in intensive care for treatment of their coronavirus symptoms? >> there are regulations that are in place that limit the production of particularly things that are sedatives or paralytics, and that was put in place for obvious other reasons, but we have had shortages before
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this pandemic occurred, and we've been working on that, but the other thing that this pandemic has done is taken that situation over the top because we have and will continue to have more ventilators and use in this country at one time than we've ever had, and because of that it just exacerbates the problem, so the government has the ability to turn back some of that regulation and allow those production levels to go up. and what we need to do is to make sure the drug companies have the raw materials and the impetus to move forward on this very, very quickly. >> thank you for joining me. the president and ceo of the atlantic health system. still ahead, in the midst of a growing health and economic crisis, president trump is firing the inspector general who flagged the whistle-blower complaint, which led to his impeachment. but first, a closer look at the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic.
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ambassador to the eu gordon sondland and national security council officer lieutenant colonel alexander vindman along with his brother who apparently has nothing else going against him except that he was vindman's twin brother. trump wanted to fire atkinson claiming he was disloyal and working with democrats to sabotage his presidency. as the news broke late last night congressman adam schiff told me that trump is continuing to settle scores. >> he's decapitating the leadership of the intelligence community in the muiddle of a national crisis, it's unconscionable, and of course it sends a message throughout the federal government and in particular to other inspector generals that if they do their job as this professional did and michael atkinson was a complete professional, they too may be fired by a vindictive president. >> joining me now malcolm nance, a former naval intelligence officer and msnbc terrorism
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analyst. malcolm, the president says he no longer has confidence in michael at km micha michael atkinson. he did what he was congressionally mandated to do, and nowhere in the president's firing of him is any suggestion or implication of wrongdoing on his part. the president literally is getting people out of the way who have anything to do with anything that led to his impeachment. >> and that is absolutely right because donald trump's middle name is vengeance and retribution. no matter what he deals in, he only wants one thing, and that is not for you to do your job. we just is that trsaw that withg of the captain of the u.s.s. roosevelt. do your job but if you're not loyal to me, donald trump, i will get rid of you. i will end your career, and he embodies that in his whole ethos of you're fire departmed.
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it's not that you have done something for the betterment of the united states, it is because donald trump's sensitive guilt ridden ego, will not allow a person to exist in their job so long as he is not personally loyal to donald trump. >> so you and i talked about captain crozier, the naval officer on the u.s.s. theodore roosevelt who was removed for protecting his officers by sounding the alarm about covid-19. in the case of michael atkinson, the inspector general of the intelligence community is actually there to make sure that the intelligence community is doing their job. so in both cases we have instances, in one case u.s. sailors being in danger, but in this latter case all of us being in danger by virtue of the fact that our intelligence community is now a little less safe than it was 12 hours ago. >> absolutely because, look, the i.g., the inspector general's job is not just to make sure that things are carried out in
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accordance with the laws of the united states. they are also the people who can root out corruption within the intelligence process through individuals who may be committing crimes in the intelligence community, and may also be cognizant of crimes that are being used by the consumers of that intelligence, so you know everything that we do in the intelligence world really stems not to the whos, whats, whens, wheres and hows, it is always the whys we are looking for. whenever we see an incident or an act, it is the why, once that is answered that is the peak of u.s. intelligence analysis. and in this circumstance it may be very clear to see that donald trump wanted vengeance for him to doing his job last august and reporting this up, but you also have to understand this man has been in the job and has been watching the flow of intelligence, the consumption of information from the trump white house since that time and now at
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what could arguably be the most dangerous period for american citizens since 1918. he's being removed from his job for watching out for corruption within the intelligence process. that leads me to a why that every intelligence analyst, inspector general in the community is asking themselves this morning. why is he doing this? >> malcolm thanks as always for joining us. malcolm nance is a former naval intelligence officer and an msnbc terrorism analyst. he's the author of the book "the plot to betray america." coming up, rethinking america's health care. there may be no better time to change it. i spoke to 2020 democrat candidate bernie sanders about that yesterday. >> we have got to respond to this unprecedented crisis in an unprecedented way. precedented w.
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now more than ever, it's apparent that we must address disparities in the u.s. health care system, even republicans are turning to the federal government and safety net programs as a way to protect millions of americans from costs associated with coronavirus. i asked senator bernie sanders who has proposed medicare for all as the solution how that form of universal health care would have made a difference in how we are dealing with this crisis. listen to what he told me. >> bottom line is we need a health care system and a public health care system designed to protect the american people. that's the main focus, not a system designed to make huge profits for the drug companies and the insurance companies. and when i talk about that i also mean there are many parts of this country in rural areas where hospitals have been shut down, where i do not know how people are going to access the health care they need during this crisis. they have to travel 100 miles to find a hospital or an emergency room. we need a health care system
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designed to provide quality care to all people in urban america, many rural america, and we can do that in a much more cost effective way than the current system dominated by the profiteering of the insurance companies and the drug companies. >> joining us is elisabeth rosenthal, she's the editor in chief of kaiser health news and the author of "an american sickness." libby, what bernie sanders is proposing is not his medicare for all that he's doing as part of his campaign. he's actually saying it's a phase four legislation, he wants to be able to extend medical benefits to everybody who is suffering from coronavirus, needs to be tested and anyone else. president trump said something very strange in the last couple of days. he said he thought it was surprising and unfair that 30 million americans don't have
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health care. i don't quite know why this is news to him, but the larger point is the world seems to be moving toward a discussion of universal health coverage in the united states. >> well, yes, i think the coronavirus has shown all of the weaknesses in our health system, and what we're seeing now is the valiant efforts of individuals to make it work to treat people, but it's exposed what a terrible system we have for dealing with pandemics. now, the problem with medicare for all as the first step solution is that medicare for all -- medicare relies on hospitals and is basically a payment system. what we're seeing here is that no one was prepared. we had neither a public system that was prepared nor no one said to the private system, the nonprofit hospitals, hey, guys, you have to have a big supplier of ventilators in the basement in case there's a pandemic. at the moment, there's no what we like to call in the business world financial incentive, and there's no mandate that you do
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so as part of your community benefits. so i think it's showed us this huge gaping hole in our health system that needs immediate repair. and then as we design a new health system, we have to think lots about this scenario again. >> so manny he or sheen you've been in a single payor system in the united kingdom. i've been in one in canada, and actually for all the other things outside of coronavirus, they do work well. the whole thing's been -- it's been criticized in the united states because it feels like it's socialist and they talk about lineups and they talk about people dying in hallways of hospitals. the fact is none of that is actually true. yet, it doesn't as libby says, it doesn't guarantee that the response to something like coronavirus would have been stronger or better. it would just mean that people wouldn't be worried about going bankrupt because they got sick? >> and not just worry about going bankrupt, ali, if you look at health policy experts they
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say that the u.s. was uniquely vulnerable to the pandemic, if you have a high uninsured population, people who delay getting tested, delay getting their symptoms checked out. don't have access to a doctor or primary health provider, that lets the pandemic spread even more. that's a problem almost unique to the united states in industrialized countries. look, 10 million people lost their jobs in the last two weeks. 10 million people. in the u.s. that means you don't just lose your job and income, you lose your health care. could you come one a better example of why it's so dumb to tie your health care to your employment status when you're in a situation with mass unemployment? we had top democratic presidential candidates, amy klobuchar, pete buttigieg tell us over last year, you can't have medicare for all. americans love their employer sponsored plans. yeah, what happens when you don't have that employer. what happens when you're looking at 30 to 40 million americans unemployed? if we can't understand the case for medicare for all now, wener will. luckily the polls this week show
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65% of americans support medicare for all, which is a good sign. >> including a lot of republicans. one of the effects of a universal health care type system like most of the rest of the developed world has is that the return on investment is higher and the expenditure per capita is lower. so if we over time establish that sort of system in the united states, could the savings from that be applied to better things like pandemic preparedness or supply chain preparedness so that when we need gowns and gloves and masks and respirators we can switch tho that. we do pay more per person than anywhere else in the developed world for health care. >> of course there would be a lot of savings that could be applied to the public good, and i think that's certainly a benefit also if there's a national system, even if it's just a payment system, you have some coordination. what we're seeing now is it's
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kind of an every man for himself, every state for himself or herself, so i think, you know, in that sense a national system of any kind helps coordinate this in a better way. >> and we heard that point from andrew cuomo earlier. we've heard it several times from donald trump, and then most recently from jared kushner, the idea that that's our stockpile. had those are your stockpiles. our responsibility is not to take care of your stuff. the president said a couple of weeks ago, we're not a shipping company. we're not a logistics company, when in fact you have a universal health care system but particularly a single payor health care system where the government procures things, then you have the power of the biggest procurer in the nation? >> yes, you can coordinate things. you don't have to have states competing with each other. americans competing with each other, doctors competing with each other. you can bring down prices. as you say, america spends twice per capita on health care as the industrialized world, and i would say this, very important
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point. number one, donald trump is now trying to out front the democrats from the left. he's saying we'll pay for uninsured patients, sounds like medicare for all, and then you have someone like joe biden saying it's still not time for medicare for all but we should make coronavirus testing free. hold on. if you have the coronavirus, why do you get free treatment, but if you have cancer you have to pay for it. why? i don't understand that. >> stay with us, libby rosenthal is the editor and chief of kaiser health news. thank you for joining us, libby is the author of "an american sickness," which i have alwa recommended people to read. there are better ways of delivering health care in america than we do it right now. not every american, by the way, has the comfort of working from home as i am doing right now and keeping their health insurance as i am doing right now. coming up next, i'm going to speak with an undocumented house cleaner who has no clients, no
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as you know, i have been bringing the show to you from my home for a couple of weeks now while some americans are staying home, social distancing and staying employed. some of america's most vulnerable are facing a tougher
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scenario, uncertainty about how they're going to provide for their family while staying healthy and not getting a check from the government or unemployment insurance. people like house cleaners and nannies, a group that is dominated by undocumented workers. these individuals have no access to health care and paid leave, and they're often living paycheck to paycheck. now they've lost much of their work, and there is no safety net to catch them. even the recent aid package passed by congress doesn't apply to them, despite the role domestic workers play in our society. it's another example of undocumented immigrants being left out once again. with me now is johnny, an undocumented house cleaner from seattle who has lost much of his livelihood. johnny, thank you for joining us. you are working in one of the places that was hardest hit early by coronavirus. what's happened to your work? >> well, good morning, hi, everyone, and thank you for
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having me here today. i'm being impacted like so bad because like when the coronavirus started, all my clients like one by one, they started canceling all my cleaning, and it's like a domino effect. and it's really hard on me and my husband because i depend on that income, and now we are trying to make ends meet. he was laid off from the hotel job because of the coronavirus, and i am now cleaning a grocery store at night when everyone is going and sanitize everything. i do this so that i can make a living. it has been really hard for me, and i say this with all of the domestic workers as well. >> so on one hand, you don't have an income. do you believe that you are going to get this check that the government is sending out, and do you qualify for unemployment insurance as an undocumented
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worker? >> no. i feel so sad because i'm not going to get this package, and i have to go to work during the night and come back home because that's the only income that i have. i don't have no access at all. >> and you are going to work, you're going out at night in a city that is still under lockdown. are you scared of getting sick, you or your husband? >> yes. i am afraid to get sick, i'm taking precautions, and right now i put my mask and special glasses, but then i have to keep working to buy things, i need to pay my rent and buy food so i
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need to work. >> johnny, hold on one second. i want to bring in the executive director of the national domestic workers alliance. thank you for joining me. this is a serious issue with domestic workers, and in fact, undocumented immigrants make up a large proportion of domestic workers, of transportation workers, of taxi drivers, of agricultural laborers, none of whom are going to be taken care of by our package by the package, all of whom could get infected, all of whom could be spreading coronavirus all around. so the disease doesn't really understand that they're undocumented and unprotected but they are. >> that's right. and in fact, you have some of the undocumented workers are taking care of some of the most vulnerable populations to the virus, like if you think about there's so many home care workers, for example, who are
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essentially guardians of some of the most vulnerable people to the virus, the elderly, people with chronic illnesses, people with disabilities, and they are going to work every single day risking their own safety and health, sometimes being quarantined with their clients away from their own families, and they're not going to receive benefits from this. if they get sick, what are they going to do? how are they going to take care of themselves and their own families, and yet, they're a critical part of our national response team. >> johnny, what happens if you start to feel sick? can you get medical treatment? do you have money for that? >> i don't have no money at all if i get sick. i have to wait. if i need to go to the hospital, but then by this emergency only if i feel like i cannot breathe, well, i can go to the hospital, but right now i don't have money to pay all this. >> johnny, we thank you for
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continuing to work. we know there are people who have to be out there, and you are one of them. it is ironic that so many of our essential workers in this country are people who are, in fact, undocumented and people who are not welcomed into our society. johnny is an undocumented house cleaner from seattle, ie jen. we can't possibly do justice to all of the more than 7,000 americans who have lost their lives in this pandemic. i'd like to honor one of them. 81-year-old george lloyd lamb, lloyd his loved ones call him is remembered as a man who refused to retire. after serving in the army, george worked for 35 years at a label manufacturing company in asheville, north carolina. his daughter says george was too much of a, quote, social butterfly to stay retired for long. george enjoyed a second career as a sam's club greeter at a transportation safety assistant. he helped students with special
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decision. now the state is a hot spot for the spread of coronavirus with more than 10,000 confirmed cases and more than 100 deaths. those numbers are expected to continue climbing. the state's health care and social programs have been put under immense strain as well. back with me now is mehdi hasan, senior columnist for the intercept and host of the deconstructed podcast, and david jolly. >> watching florida has been remarkable, the delay from spring break, the botched responses to cruise ships. we had two cruise ships coming and they were still negotiating how that's going to happen. if you're the governor of florida, you would have thought on day one you knew every cruise ship coming in. beyond that, the ability to apply for unemployment benefits, the pot available to people for unemployment benefits. florida seems to be less prepared for this than most states? >>. >> look it's hard to judge ron
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desantis's role in this as anything but a colossal failure. he entered office replark bmark with some support of democrats. he was one of the most popular governors in the state because of how he chose to govern choseo govern initially but we've seen him revert to some f ohis true tumpian ten dan denciestendenci. he first put it all on local and municipal governments. he pushed it off on other players to be responsible. he adopted the zen phobic approach. having border checks, not letting people off a cruise ship if they were sick or dying and at a critical time locking out the press. locking out a reporter from the state's largest newspaper. he adopted this incremental approach being slow to deal with spring break, then locking down restaurants and then senior citizens and then south florida.
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in times of crisis people want bold decisive leadership. what we saw was incrementalism. this is a man who once had his eyes on the presidency. he may not be squandering the governorship he may be squandering a shot at the white house as well. >> your thoughts? >> i mean, florida has what, 10,000 people tested positive as of last night? those numbers are going to go radically up because you have this governor ron desan tis, nobody fringe congressmen who trump elevated to the florida nomination in 2018, you know, he was so devoted to trump that he ran a tv ad where his kid builds a wall out of toy bricks. and so you have these mini mes, the ridiculous reeves in mississippi who said we'll never shut down mississippi and become
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like china and that had to play down the coronavirus because trump was playing down the coronavirus. they had to follow their leader and now they have the same blood on their hands as trump has especially with di santis. he refused to shut the beaches and continues to close mass gatherings. deeply reckless individual who's unfit for office in my opinion. >> here's the problem though, because we on msnbc have been discussing coronavirus, we had our first case in the united states in 74 days ago, two and a half months ago. weave been discussing it long before that because we knew this was an infectious disease. president trump said they didn't want people getting off a cruise ship in san francisco because it would double the numbers through no fault of our own and two days
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ago the governor from georgia just found out these can spread from asymptomatic people. there's a lot of bs out there. i would think governors have some version of information that is not right wing bs on tv but apparently we are governing on the basis of bs on tv as opposed to science. >> yeah, i've remained fairly quiet throughout this process in part because i don't want to interfere with critical mess anl ages out there. politicians are mote vatzed by their own re-election, protecting their own poll numbers. we know as an american people we need to listen to public health advisors around that's it and we know what we need to do and that is to protect our own family. we have a whole of government failure and i say that not to play what aboutism or point the finger but we are governed by people that have emerged from a system that is fundamentally broken and when we come out of this covid crisis we have hard
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questions to ask ourselves. how do we want to be governed? how is it possible that we have elevated to the chief executive office a man who is dangerous in his incompetence and in any other government position could not receive a security clearance and yet he has to manage this crisis? and listen, everything the white house knew that congress knew as well, and how do we have a congress so woefully unprepared that did not provide a surge in resources to exactly the same problems? probably because they weren't paying attention either. i commend nancy pelosi to say we need a committee but it needs to ask hard questions to say how has our system so failed us? because our system is broken that has created political leaders that don't act in our best interest and that includes the president and some of our nation's govern nors as well. >> we're probably in the third inning of the thing. this is a lot more to come.
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new york state hasn't peaked and washington state hasn't peaked do you think we're going to get better at this before this is over? >> sadly no. dr. anthony fauci didn't show up to the white house breefzing. with kushner in charge things can only get worsed. one of them is why are states like florida getting evening they asked for? states voted for donald trump and states like massachusetts, maine saying they haven't gotten 50% of what they've asked for. is the president of the united states really playing politics in the midst of this crisis? i think we know the answer to that. >> thanks so both of you and believe it or not, that is it for me this morning. i'll be back tonight starting at 7:00 at the top of the next hour, new york city mayor and senator christian gill brand join joy to discuss nearly 3,000 new yorkers who have died
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because of coronavirus and they're trying to end this trend. i'm going to come back with joy to talk to you. g to come back w to talk to you everything's stuck in the drawers! i'm sorry! oh, jeez. hi. kelly clarkson. try wayfair! oh, ok. it's going to help you, with all of... this! yeah, here you go. thank you! oh, i like that one! [ laugh ] that's a lot of storage! perfect. you're welcome! i love it. how did you do all this? wayfair! speaking of dinner, what're we eating, guys?
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first new york city resident has died. an 82-year-old woman has died in new york city of covid-19. >> we've been very, very worried about her.
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she had best of my memory preexisting conditioned. it's tragic. we are going to lose some people here and there were some i am certain that could have been saved if the testing were here from the beginning. >> good morning and welcome to a.m. joy. just three weeks ago new york city mayor bill de blasio responded in real time to this show to the first new york fatality from covid-19. three weeks can feel like an eternity in the coronavirus. since then there have been more than 7,000 deaths nationwide. nearly 2,000 in new york city alone and unfortunately we're about to reach a somber milestone. more new yorkers will soon have passed away from covid-19 than from the september 11, 2001 terror attacks, the first of which hit new york city and unlike the 9/11 attacks which

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