she had best of my memory preexisting conditioned. it's tragic. we are going to lose some people here and there were some i am certain that could have been saved if the testing were here from the beginning. >> good morning and welcome to a.m. joy. just three weeks ago new york city mayor bill de blasio responded in real time to this show to the first new york fatality from covid-19. three weeks can feel like an eternity in the coronavirus. since then there have been more than 7,000 deaths nationwide. nearly 2,000 in new york city alone and unfortunately we're about to reach a somber milestone. more new yorkers will soon have passed away from covid-19 than from the september 11, 2001 terror attacks, the first of which hit new york city and unlike the 9/11 attacks which instantly became a national crisis, not a new york crisis, the current president's refusal to nationalize the coronavirus response has contributed to what could only described as

chaos. we have these state responses. some issued stay at home orders right away and others much later or not at all. and it's still really hard to get tested for coronavirus in most states until you're already sick. for those who do get sick we're seeing shortages of protective equipment for the doctors and nurses treating them while also trying not to get sick themselves. major shortages of ventilators nationwide making governors to bid against each other to try to buy them like they're on ebay. andrew cuomo who's become the face and the voice of desperate governors expressed on thursday just how imminent the danger is. >> at the current burn rate we have about six days of ventilators in our stock pile meaning if the rate of usage, the rate of people coming in to

hospitals who need ventilators, if that rate continues in our stock pile we have about six days. now, if the apex happens within that timeframe, if the apex increases, if the pay sapex is r we have an issue with ventilators. >> and joining me now is the mayor of new york city bill de blasio. let's first of all just want to give you an opportunity to talk about just the scale of the losses, just for new york city thus far and i know that there have also been losses inside of the new york fire department. >> yeah, joy, we have lost so many of public servants, police department, fire department, health workers, people are feeling it very personally here. every new yorker at this point, every new yorker either knows someone we've lost or knows certainly someone who's suffering right now from this

disease. 56,000 cases, 1,800 people have lost their lives where almost a quarter of a cases in the entire united states of america right here in new york city. we're the epicenter and it's very painful. new yorkers are fighting back with everything they've got. but we still don't have the support we need particularly from the federal government for what's coming ahead because the clip you just played from the governor, the worst is actually ahead and i don't like telling you that but it's true. the next few weeks and maybe even longer are going on to be the toughest time and we need the federal government fully mobilized to address this crisis. too many folks that are watching feel like it's peacetime but it's wartime here in new york and other cities around the country. >> i know you've talk add about even invoking a military response here. what specifically would you want

the trump administration to do? >> joy, the single biggest problem we're going to have going forward is having enough doctors and health workers. the folks who have been fighting on the front line for the last mopts, they are worn thin. so many f othem have gotten sick themselves from the disease. we've lost health workers who are never coming back. we need as many health workers as possible right here right now. i've called for the creation of a national enlistment system that the federal government has to create the military could help facilitate for doctors, nurses, for the technicians that we need for those ventilators. we could do this. there's over a million doctors in the united states of america. there's over 3.8 million nurses and yet we're running out right now. i need 45,000 more trained medical personnel to get through april into may and we're doing everything we can to find them here, but you know what, this is going to be a problem in cities and states all over the country and again, this country is not

on a wartime footing. think about this. think about something as awful as katrina, that was one place and we could focus energy from around the country on helping new orleans and of course our federal government failed new orleans there. well, this is going to be like having many katrinas. this is going to be a reality where you're going to have many cities simultaneously, many states simultaneously in crisis needing health care professionals, needing ventilators. there is no national structure to address this. the military are at their bases. they have not been called up by the president. the personnel, there are doctors, nurses, medical personnel doing their normal -- going about their normal lives and they want to help but there's no process to get them to the front to where they're needed most and there's literally days, joy, days in which the federal government doesn't create something brand new for our time, this is like the equivalent of being in a war, this is the biggest health crisis since the 1918 flu

epidemic which took untolled hundreds of thousands of lives. this is a chance these next days for our national government to actually address the crisis before it's too late. if they don't create a national mobilization literally in matter of days you're going to see a lot of dominos fall and cities simply not able to handle the crisis. >> just listening to donald trump over the last, you know, week or more, it's fairly clear he is not prepared to do that. that you know, he's now put jared kushner in charge and jared kushner has described the national stock piles of things like ventilators as quote unquote ours as if the state don't have access to them. they've -- he's thrown it back on the governors much the way you heard a lot of people doing during katrina to those in louisiana who were fighting to try to save lives and saying well, it's their problem, they need to deal with it and there's even a sense that donald trump is trying to decide who gets help based on who's friendly to him. so if he is not going to do

anything, have you had conversations with the governor of new york about whether states could actually act on their own and form sort of organized ways of sharing resources themselves? like is it possible for the sort of the federalist solution here where states just get together and form networks and try to share hospital resources ppes and that kind of thing? >> i think you're making a great point. i would say what states certainly could do is each state right now should be creating its own enlistment structure for civilian medical personnel. every single state could be doing that right now getting all the medical personnel who are available, who could be in those icus and emergency rooms and fighting this battle at the front. getting them registered, ready to go and hopefully able to move them around the country where they're needed. but we don't even have that basic approach in place at the state level in any state or at the federal level. that would be a really great start if every state would get that going. now, could they perfectly or

even helpfully share among each other? i think yes, joy, i think it's a very good idea but i would put it in the category of certainly better than nothing but not what we actually need to see and we need to put the pressure on president trump. we need to put the pressure on the congress, everyone, to move here. how is it that for so many cities in this country, not just new york, look what's happening in florida, louisiana, michigan, it's for when you're at those hospitals, when you're seeing what they're dealing it with it feels like the exact same reality as a war, as if there were fighting going on. the casualties being brought to those hospitals, they were trying to save lives, people who they knew they could save if only they had enough medical personn personnel, enough equipment. that's the reality and it's just begun. so i agree with you, we have to innovate but i would say we should actually not let president trump or anyone in washington off the hook. whiez is there not a national mobilization and if enough americans democrat and

republican and independent call for it it puts pressure on the president to move. he got pressure to move the defense production act. he finally did to some extent, not enough. he's gotten pressure to have to get ventilators and supplies around the country. at least it's causing some action. we need more pressure, we need a national consensus that there has to be a mobilization. that it is a war, let's treat it like a war. >> absolutely. just to note for our viewers, it appears that at this point one in four fdnyems workers are on medical leave so you're seeing first responders getting sick. donald trump was born in new york. he was raised in queens. his -- you know, he sent rudy giuliani to ukraine to kind of do dastardly acts but he doesn't seem to be interested so hopefully the call from the current mayor of see. thank you very much for your time. wishing new yorkers all the best. >> thank you.

now joining the discussion is the senator from new york and senator, same point to you. let me play for you very quickly, this is some nurses in new york city. this was just on friday talking about what they're going through. tang take a listen. >> this is life or death. every hospital in the state of new york and across the united states should have the supplies they need. >> we are afraid for our patients, we are afraid for our families, we are afraid for our lives. they all failed to protect us as health care workers, as citizens. they're putting all of us at risk every single day. >> in the absence of a president who's willing to act even for his own home state let alone the rest of the country is there something that congress, that you all can do to try to force the kind of action that you just heard the mayor of new york city bill de blasio call for, this multistate coordination of moving ppe, protective

equipment, ventilators et cetera from the hardest hit states and cities and then moving them along as this rolls out across the country? >> so congress is trying to marshall resources so that the governors can do their jobs. governor cuomo is working overtime to move ppe and ventilators across the state and they do have a coalition of governors of the region who are working together. so what we're trying to do is just get more funds. we gave $150 billion to the hospitals in the last covid 3 bill, but again, that money hasn't been received by the hospitals yet. i talked to many of the hospital heads over the last three days and they are putting out their paperwork but they're not getting the money yet so we're waiting for the money to flow from trump and the treasury directly to these hospitals so they can acquire ppe. t my heart goes out to those health care workers and nurses and doctors who are literally putting their lives on the line every day.

their heroism is beyond. it is so inspiring for all of us and my prayers go with them and we are trying to send resources to them so they don't have to be using ppe over and over again. we are working with technology across the country to try to find ways to clean ppe effectively so it can be reused. we are asking our manufacturers in our state and the country to manufacture for the u.s. first. that will help. but again, president trump has been so slow to use the defense production act which was put in place specifically he can go to 3m in minnesota and say we need you to increase your production of n-95 masks now. we need them to get to every health care worker in america. so we're struggling with the president unfortunately who doesn't do his job. >> yeah. and we know that the donald trump made a big deal of saying that the uss comfort would be

deployed to new york. said that should be enough to solve the problems. it's got 20 patients there. it could use -- it could have a thousand. it only has 20. can you explain why that might be? >> well, it's pretty outrageous. unfortunately the defense dvpt and the health organizations put requirements in place that people had to be tested elsewhere before they could come to the u.s. comfort and that provided enormous delay in getting patients to the u.s. comfort. they've changed that and they're going to take patients and test them once they arrive. i'm calling on the military to get access to these rapid tests that are now available from abbott labs where they can get results within 15 minutes. that should be available outside the u.s. comfort so anyone seeking any type of care can get tested immediately and brought there. otherwise they have to change their decision about what kind of patients can come and they will need to take covid

patients. >> let's talk about the national scale of what we're looking at. there are stay at home orders, no stay at home orders so far in the states of iowa, arkansas, nebraska, north and south dakota. they still have not issued stay at home orders. and i want to play you -- and we know that african americans are actually contracting and dying of covid-19 at higher rates. this is from states that are actually reporting data by race. in milwaukee county, the 945 cases that we've seen so far half of those are african americans. in michigan where the state's population is 14% black african americans made up 35% of cases. 40% of deaths. is there some way, i mean, i know the federal government cannot compel state to have stay at home orders but what could we

do about the states that some are simply not protecting their populations and will we be able to somehow get data that also breaks its down by race? we know that race populations, black and brown folks are getting this at a higher rate and dying of it at a higher rate. >> well, what that -- those stats -- you have two questions. first regard to the troubling data that you've just talked about about how a lot of the deaths are disproportion natsly harming communities of color. i think that probably has to do with institutional racism that can be found in our health care system but also in the nature of the work that often communities of color have, lower income work, no sick days, no vacation days, lower pay, less leverage. you talk to low income workers who work in grocery store chains, in food production, i talked to one of the union leaders for people who are in

charge of packaging meat and chicken and the food that gets to our supermarket. they're still standing a foot apart. they have no protective equipment. those types of jobs tend to be held by communities of color because they're lower wages because of institutional racism within our economy. so these statistics are shocking and horrible but knowing what we know i'm not surprised that it is disproportionately harming lower income workers and communities of color. with regard to your other issue about what we can do of governors who lack the judgment, the basic judgment to create stay at home orders, those governors are unfortunately listening to president and they are lock step with him. president trump is undermining health officials, guidance all the time. he didn't want to have stay at home orders. he wanted to pit parts of the country against other parts of the country. he wanted to create conspiracy

theories about some states hoarding ppe. and there are accolades of this president who just do what he does and he today -- or yesterday said i'm not going to wear any ppe, i'm not going to wear any masks. some people will decide and those governors foolishly will follow him and his misleading and misinformation that he's putting out to our country. >> yeah. thank you very much for your time this morning. stay safe. really appreciate the information and we will keep track of what you guys are doing in the senate. >> thank you. up next, what's shaping up to be the worst economic crisis since the great depression. e wo since the great depression uff i'm already buying. sometimes it's 3% sometimes it's 8% but you're always getting cashback. so it's like getting free money. go to rakuten.com and sign up today for a $10 bonus. the network has to be prepared to absorb whatever is going to come its way.

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million people could wind up losing their jobs. 47 million. which would hike the unemployment rate to 32%. yesterday's jobs report gave us another reality check, the economy lost 701,000 jobs in march. and while this number is astonishing and reminiscent of the great recession of 2008, we won't get a true readout of job losses related to this pandemic until next month when those 6.6 million unemployment filers and new filers are factored in. now, we're showing you the so called bikini chart. at the beginning of the chart those blue lines represent how president obama rescued the economy once he took over from george w. bush and now with these massive job losses there's now a new really big red line and it will forever be tied to the presidency of donald trump. let's bring in my friend and colleague ali velshi. this is staggering.

it's hard to get your head around it. the job losses so far, here are the unemployment rate expected to exceed the 2008 recession. there's the chart. >> yeah. >> pennsylvania, ohio, kentucky, michigan among the state with the highest job losses but that's just for now. florida, all these states are going to get devastated. is 47 million unemployed a number that to you sounds realistic? >> look, it's the st. louis fed. it's one of the branches of the federal reserve. in fact the congressional budget office has a number that's about 12%, a lot of main stream private economists say 15, 18%. the recession got us 10%. the great depression got us 25%. we're talking about 32% unemployment. we have never seen anything in our lives or before that like that, so i -- i mean, this isn't -- there's no ax to grind here, these numbers could be

real and think of the knock on effects. this is not a normal slowdown where some bars are open and some restaurants are open and some shops are open. in places like new york almost all of it is shut down except for essential services so it makes sense. all these people out of work and we need greater emergency methods to get money into their pockets so they can pay their rentd, buy their groceries and not get evicted and figure out how we can get this started once we get this health pandemic under control. >> let's talk about that for a minute. it is astounding to me it seems as people and lawmakers, so many people who are in the senate and in the white house are multimillionaires or billiona e billionair billionaires, that they don't understand how actual lives work. there is the direct deposit estimated to come to people who need cash now april 13th. okay. that's like in two weeks. mailed checks won't get there until may 4th. of the $339 billion --

>> they won't start getting out there. yeah it's going to be longer than that. it could be months because the government can cut 5 million checks a week. not everybody's got direct deposit. they should and at this point if you haven't filed your tax return for 2019 you file a simple tax return if for no other reason so you can get your check. americans can't wait beaks awee morptds for this. >> no and that's just the $1,200 plus 500 per kid. then you've got the unemployment insurance you can't get through tennessee on the phone to get that. businesses with less than 500 employees may be eligible but they have to apply. money can be used for payroll benefits, et cetera, loans can be used for designated purposes. like any of us can use vennmo and cash app, venmo people now.

why don't they do that? >> yes, it's like universal basic income. denmark is using companies to continue to pay people but the bottom line direct payments to people would be more efficient. look at the complexity in the $1,200 payment. we spent the week taking viewer questions about all the conditions under which people will get the money. then we started the small business rollout yesterday. absolute disaster, clogged up everybody's system. so the point is there are better ways of doing this. the airline system is a little bit of a better way of doing it. you're paying the airlines to keep everybody employed through september 30th and that has hiccups to it as well but this is why, joy, sometimes a crisis is the moment to fix things that are really broken. let's fix this one. let's fix a way in which the government understands that if you shut down your economy because pandemics will happen, you will spend way more time trying to fix it and trying to get those checks out and try to figure these mechanisms out. t it's 2020. we need to figure this out.

we need to not do the emergency step but we need to figure out the least among us who do not have bank accounts, who do not have direct deposit, who get snap and can't order delivery services, all that needs to be fixed now. this is the emergency in which we should fix this. we've got 4 million hungry people in this country already and that number is about to go up. >> yeah, and i just want to note that justin amash pointed out that steve muchen has tweaked and messed with that payment to businesses. they should send the businesses money and let the businesses keep paying people. give people the money directly. let's talk about health care. this is a thing you talk about a lot. here is the record number of americans are going to stress state medicaid programs. those have expanded medicaid and bort bothered to do it. here's donald trump on thursday asking how newly paid off

workers will. >> will they with covered in this time of combined -- >> we're doing better than that. we're going to try and get a cash payment to the people and we're, woing out the mechanics of that with legislature. so we are going to try to get them a cash payment because just opening it up doesn't help as much so we're going to work it out so we're going to try and get for that certain group of people, it's a certain group of people a cash payment. >> are they expecting people to use the same little paltry $1,200 to buy health insurance? this is insane. >> no. that's -- i mean, the $1,200 isn't going to pay for most people's rent. it isn't going to pay for groceries or the child care that they may need. it's not going to pay for that. so even if you had no other expenses it would hardly get you an insurance policy and they're

not reopening open enrollment so i don't know what the president was saying. that was a bit of a word salad. it's going to be better, for a specific group of people, we're working with the legislature to get a cash payment but the bottom line is you know how many people forego health payments in the best of times because they don't have the money for it. in a pandemic you do not want people who say i don't want to get tested because if i eve got coronavirus i don't have the coverage to get that treated. this is the exact wrong moment for people who are broke to not get health care so i don't know what the president is talking about. i hope he's right. there are 30 million people already without health care and that number is also going to go up. >> yeah, and they're also trying to shut down all of the affordable care act. they're still trying to fight t in court. governors are refusing to expand medicaid. you know what my in laws are doing? going to the doctor because they're in england where they are universal health care. it would be so much easier if we

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when you would like somebody to amayor or governor or president you're thinking about who would be a competent manager during a time of crisis. you are seeing certain people are better managers than others. >> i'd like to welcome new twitter follower or perhaps a.m. joy viewer jared kushner. you may recall my viral tweet saying the exact same thing recently plus reiterating it on this show, but jared, friend, i think you might have misunderstood me. i wasn't talking about

governors. most of them are doing the right thing although some of the trumpier ones, i was talking about your father-in-law but that wasn't even jared's worst moment this week. note his use of the word ours. >> the notion of the federal stock pile was supposed to be our stock pile, it's not supposed to be state stock piles that they would use so they encourage the state to assess the needs, they're getting the data from their local situations and then trying to fill it with the supplies that we've given them. >> joining me now is dr. ka vita patel. and david jonston, journalist and author of "it's even worse than you think" and kimberly atkins. thank you all for being here. let me note kavita, to start with you first, dr. patel, the way this is supposed to work is

that the national stock pile belongs to -- the ours is supposed to be the states which make up the united states. right? we are the ours. he has said it's different ours and rather than sort of defend the way it's supposed to be, hhs actually changed their website. the "washington post," they changed the website to follow him. hhs website now describes it as a short term stop gap. the administration says the change was before kushner spoke on thursday. what is the ours supposed to actually mean? you're absolutely right. the ours is supposed to be the united states and the people residing in those stiates. and by the way, the stock pile from all of my kind of career and political trends have all told me that even the estimates of what's in the stock pile were inaccurate. so there has been just absolute

chain of command complete incompetencies all the way through what i think you're highlighting and saw the other day on stage. >> right. i mean, the name of the country is the united states of america. meaning the ours is the states. it's kind of like it's in the name. let me go to you, david jonston. jared kushner not only apparently watches our show and reads my tweets or maybe he came up on his own. he's emerged as a central role working with the federal management agency to oversee the distribution of vital medical supplies to hospital and health care providers. he's also overseeing the shipping of china to the u.s. to your reporting knowledge, what qualifications does jared kushner have to oversee the

distribution of vital medical supplies to hospitals, to oversee this response? what are his qualifications for this new job? >> well, he married the boss's daughter. i mean, that's the sum total of it. he apparently has been trying to play epidemiologist. we put the numbers out there, but we just calculated the official numbers so they made sense to people but kushner tried to create his own model which is where we come up with these very low ball figures of 100,000 deaths. we have a statute that says these stock piles are for the states and the municipalities which are all creatures of the state. >> but the thing that -- i think the thing that -- >> this is a guy that hasn't been -- >> go on. >> well, not only has there not been transparency here but a lot of what government is supposed to do is boring work like maintaining stock piles for things, being ready for

emergencies like this, and being transparent and the latest reporting indicates stock pile material instead of being loaded on trucks and sent to the various places that's needed, notably new york, new jersey and connecticut is instead being run through commercial distributors and why in the world would we do that? take the property of we as the taxpayers of our government and turn it over for commercial brokers instead of distributing it directly? >> well, the answer to that is the because somebody's profiting from it. i think the suspicion a lot of people have when jared steps forward and gets involved, is what is in it for him? he and his wife do business in china. his wife has lots of patents from china t. we don't have a lot of transparency of what businesses they do, where they make their money other than apparently not being a great landlord. just from your reporting is there any way that the kushner conglomerate, he and ivanka

could be making any money off of any of this? >> i'm confident that if and when we get a new administration with a new attorney general provided that they decide to investigate rather than say let by gones be by gones as obama did we will find there's lots of stuff going on. it may not be direct one to one, its may be back door and sideways but to think that given who the kushners are, a family after all that one brother set up another with a prostitute to try and go after him and get the feds off him, to think that donald trump who has been a drifter his whole life aren't coming up with benefits to this would be naive at the least. >> yeah. and i'm assuming they're also going to try to find a way to get mnuchin to get those dollars too even though they're not supposed to be able to per the

way the statute was written. >> let me let you listen to donald trump attempting to explain to a reporter about what kushner meant by the term our. >> what did he mean by our? >> what are you asking. >> what's that a gotcha? >> no, it's not a gotcha. >> you know what it means? it such a basic central question. you ought to be ashamed. it's such a simple question. he said our. and our means for the country and our means for the states because the states are a part of the country. don't make it sound bad. >> okay. first of all, big ups to the reporter from cbs. did that make you any sense other than the rudeness, kim, of trump? >> well, we've seen the rudeness before so that is not surprising

but what he said was directly in contradiction to what jared kushner said with his own mouth. jared kushner said it was ours, not the states. and so the president was in the position of having to explain, correct, contradict his closest confidant and son-in-law jared kushner and it shows this is what happens when you put someone in charge to be the face of a response who by his own admission has absolutely no experience or expertise in that response. the first part of jared kushner's appearance at that press conference was him explaining how he had to suddenly get up to speed on how to do the job he was asked to do, how he had to get smart in his own words very quickly on this. you've seen jared kushner sort of thrust into the spotlight. this isn't the first time he was suddenly put in charge of mideast peace talks, he was put in charge when he first got to the white house it took great deal of time for reporters to

figure out exactly what his job was. he seems to be the person who becomes the face of some sort of initiative when donald trump doesn't trust or want other people to be that face and that seems to be his top qualification besides the family connection, but in this case, this is the biggest crisis that the nation or any nation has faced in over a century, to put someone who admittedly has no expertise in it is very concerning. >> yeah, and apparently according to the reporter he was the one that played it down early and it was just a pr problem. put him in charge. dr. patel you were a policy advisor to the obama administrati administration. i cannot wrap my head around 100 or 200,000 americans dying. it feels that number did not have to be that number. that the actions of this administration is why this number looks so bleak. is that unfair to say? >> no, that's absolutely fair. and i'll even go a step further

and say that the federal voice and there has still to this date been no clear coherent messaging other than maybe from dr. fauci to be candid, there has been -- we are weeks behind what we should have been doing in terms of planning, a surge, ern the conversations about masks, this is -- again, it's a symptom -- i'm a doctor. it's a symptom of a larger diagnosis which is that we have an inadequate leader who has not relied on the numerous internal expertise and has decidedly made it about his polling numbers and his ratings and our country is going to suffer from it. these deaths are real. the fact that we're one in four people in dallas are uninsured and we're going to pay hospitals or expect those uninsured people as you pointed out to use their stimulus checks to pay for this care, that's a slap in the face to every american. i don't care what state you're in. >> absolutely and for donald

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given the unique situation in florida, i'm going to be doing an executive order today directing all floridians to limit movements and personal interactions outside the home to only those necessary to obtain or provide essential services or conduct essential activities.

good morning, and welcome back it to "a.m. joy." we were currently awaiting an update from governor cuomo, and we'll bring it to you live when it happens. first after resisting the logical and obvious, florida finally became one of the last states to implement a statewide stay-at-home order on wednesday. governor desantis has been under fire for his muddled handling. he let spring break happen during a pandemic and basically said he waited for the president to give the go ahead before he could protect his own citizens. the cases have skyrocketed with more than 10,000 cases documented. not to be outdone, the state of georgia also implemented a statewide stay-at-home order on wednesday, but the act by the governor came only after he

apparently realized that covid-19 can be transmitted by those without any symptoms, weeks after medical experts told the rest of the planet. >> the cdc has announced that individuals can be infected and begin to spread coronavirus earlier than previously thought, even if they have no symptoms. from a public health standpoint, this is a revelation and a game changer. those individuals could have been affecting people before they ever felt that. we didn't know that until the last 24 hours. all right. we know the cdc is based in georgia, but i want to hold that thought for just a moment. governor cuomo has begun his press conference. we'll come back afterwards. take a listen. >> 35, 65. most impacted states, you see new york at the top again, new jersey has a serious problem in

new jersey and a growing problem. then michigan, then california, then massachusetts. total number of hospitalized is down a blip, but we believe that's not statistically meaningful. you have the number of icu cases are up. the number of intubations are up the number of discharges are also up. this is interesting. two thirds of the people who have been hospitalized have been discharged. okay? two thirds of the people who have been hospitalized have been discharged. that's what we've been saying all along. most people won't be hospitalized. people who are hospitalized will come in, be treated, and leave. that's two thirds. one third of that number has a

serious condition which will require continued hospitalization. we're tracking the growth of the number of infections by hospital, and we can see just where the numbers are increasing. we've been talking about hitting the apex. the apex is the point where the number of infections on a daily basis is at the high point that is the ultimate challenge i call it the battle of the mountaintop. that will be the number one point of the engagement of the enemy. by the numbers we're not at the apex. we're getting closer, depending

on whose model you'll look at. they'll say four, five, six seven days, some people go out 14 days but our reading of the projections is we're somewhere in the seven-day range, four, five, six day range. nobody can give you a specific number, which makes it frustrating to plan when you don't have a specific number or date, but we're in that range. we're not yet at the apex part of me would looks to be at the apex and just let's do it but part of me says it's good we're not at the apex, because we're not yet ready. we're still working on the capacity of the system. the more time we have to improve the capacity of the system is

better, and the capacity of the health care system, beds, staff, equipment. we'll be doing a conference call with all the hospitals today to coordinate deployment of the equipment. watching the spread of the rate of infections is interesting. this chart is what we've been talking about, but you can see it here. the upstate number is the top bar. the rest of new york has been fairly constant, 4%, 5%, 4%, 5 her, westchester rockland 8%, 6%, 7, 7, 7. long island is the area that is growing. you see long island gog from 16% to 17% to 18%, to 19 to 20 to

22%. new york city is actually dropping as the number of cases in new york city -- in long island increases, as a percentage of cases within the state. for us, this is about tracking the virus, tracking the spread of the virus, and then deploy ing as the numbers suggest. the -- the white house agreed to make that a covid positive facility. remember, originally the javits center, a stay convention center, we worked with the federal government. they constructed a 2500-bed facility. it was supposed to be non-covid.

i spoke to the president, transferred that with his intervention to a covid facility. the federal government will staff that, and the federal government with equip that. that is a big deal. because that 2500 bed facility will relieve a lot of pressure on the downstate system as a significant number of beds. that facility has to make that transition quickly, and that's what we're focused on the theory is the best we can to relieve the entire hospital system downstate by bringing those covid patients that is a top

focus for us. i spoke to the white house today on planning the logistical operation to get that up and get that running asap, and that's the top operational priority. in terms of staffing, we have 85,000 volunteers, 22,000 out-of-state volunteers. how amazing is that? 85,000 volunteers. i'm signing an executive order for medical students who are slated to graduate to begin practicing. we need doctors and nurses, so we will expedite that. on ventilators, we order eed 17,000 ventilators. to give you an idea of how many

that is, the federal sympttockp was about 10,000 ventilators for the nation. we ordered 17,000, just for the state of new york. when we ordered the ventilators, we were paying for the ventilators, so you know the financial situation of the at a time, we are not looking to spend a penny that we doesn't have to spend. we placed that order for the ventilators, and we are paying for that order. that order any of game through. governor baker talks about this in massachusetts, we placed the order, but then you get a call that you can't fill that order because you had all that demand going in. so what do we do? we find what equipment we have, we use it the best we can.

if you ask hospitals today what ventilators do you have that are unused? and available that they don't need? in the short term, and take 20% of that number of available ventilators, that's 500 ventilators. 500 ventilators is a significant number now china is remarkably the rho poepository for all the orders. long term we have to figure out why we don't have the manufacturing capacity in this country, and i understand cost of manufacturing, but there's a

public health reason, as we have all learned the hard way, why we need the capacity in this country to do this. but, anyway, it all comes back to china, so new york has been shopping in china. we're not really china experts here. international relations is not what we do on an international basis. i was a basic understanding, but we went to the asia society to help us navigate china. i asked the white house to help us navigate china. i spoke to the ambassador, and we got really good news today, that the chinese government is going to facilitate a donation of 1,000 ventilators that will come into jfk today.

i want to that i joe tsai and clara tsai and jack ma from alibaba for their donation. that's going to be very helpful. imto thank ambassador huang for his help in making this happen. this is a big deal and it will make a contribution. the state of organ contacted us and will send 140 ventilators. i tell you, just astonishing and unexpected, and i want to thank governor brown. i want to thank all of the people in the state of oregon for their thoughtfulness. again this was unsolicited.

but they will will make a difference. i was thinking about it, on behalf of new york and what it means for our -- first it was a kind gesture. i know governor brown, and she is a kind person, but it's also smart from the point of view of oregon. why? because we're all in the same battle here. and the battle here is stopping the spread of the virus, right? look at what they did in china. it was in the wuhan province. first order of business was contain the virus in wuhan. why? because you want to contain the enemy. that's always the first step. oregon, we're dealing with it now, we don't stop the spread in

new york oregon could have a significant problem in may. our problem is now. so it's also smart from oregon's self-interest. they see the fire spreading. stop the fire where it is before it gets to my home. that was the wuhan province. somebody sent me a great quote from fdr, who had such a beautiful way of taking complicated issues and communicating it in common-sense language. fdr was dealing with trying to get the lend/lease program approved and accepted by the public. why would this country help another country fight its war? that was the lend/lease program.

his his point was it's a common enemy. we want to contain the enemy. that other country's fight is actually our fight. if we don't stop the spread then it's going to burn down our own country the concept is right, but how does he explain that? suppose my neighbor's home catches fired and i have a length of fire hose 400, 500 feet away. if i can be my garden hose with his hydrant, i may help him put out his fire. now what do i do? i don't say before that operation, neighbor, my garden hose cost me $15, you have to pay me $15 for it. what is the transaction that goes on? i don't want the $15. i want my garden hose back after the fire is over.

all right. if it goes through the fire all right, intact without any damage to it, he gives it back to me, and thanks me very much for the use of it. but suppose it gets smashed up? holes in it during the fire. we don't have to do too much formality about it. i say i see i can't use it anymore. it's all smart up. he says how much feet testify were there? had says, already, i will replayer it state of oregon has lent us 140 ventilators. it was kind, it was smart, stop the virus here. it's better for the state of other than, better for the

nation. their curve comes after ours. we'll return the 140 ventilators, and there's never been a discussion, but frankly i know new yorkers and their generosity. we will turn it doublefold, because that's who we are and that's what we believe. so stop the fire in new york, kind, smart. personal opinion, i want this to be all over. it's only been 30 days since our first case. it feels like an entire lifetime. i think we all feel the same. the stresses this country, this stays in a way that nothing else has frankly in my lifetime. it stresses us on every level. the economy is stressed, the social fabric is stressed, the

social systems are stressed, transportation is stressed. it's right across the board, but the most difficult level is the human level. it is for me, anyway. it's every day, and it's everywhere. my brother catches the virus. that's stressful. my mother is worried about my brother, and she's concerned. we have a birthday party yesterday for stephanie, standing around a cake. everybody's six feet from each other in this bizarre supposed to be just a fun usual celebration of a birthday. my daughter's cousin has a tragedy and that's just emotionally very painful.

they can't hug each other and hold each other. they can't even grieve together. the cyberchats, i mean, this is so emotionally taxing that you can't even begin to -- you can't quantify the effect on society and the effect on individuals. and the burden that we're dealing with. so, yes, i want it over. if there was anything i could do to accelerate getting it over, i would. in some ways i want to get to the other side of the apex and let's just slide down that mountain. on the other hand, we have to be ready for the fight and we have to handle that fight. that's where we are. so what do we do?

you have to get through it. you have to get through it. there is no simple answer here. you're not going to wish this away. you have to get through it. you have to get through it intelligently, saving as many lives as you can. that's hard work, and that's perseverance, and mutuality and that's community, and finding your betterse self, and finding inner strength and dealing with an almost unmanageable situation on every level. you are out of control. this is a painful, disorienting experience, but we find our best self, our strongest self, this day will end and we will get to the other side of the mountain, and we will be better for it, but we have to do what we have to do between now and then.

that's just what we're doing here. questions, comments? >> reporter: on the 17,000 ventilators you previously said that 2500 were committed. are you saying that -- >> no, we have -- we received some, about 2500, but we had ordered 17. when i say ordered 17, it wasn't -- we had paperwork. we had contracts and then they just never appeared. >> reporter: governor on the issue of data you're now reporting 3500 deaths in the state of new york. new york city is reporting about 1800. can we now assume that more than 1,000 people have died outside of new york city, or is there some discrepancy in the data? >> no, you can -- that's the statewide versus the citywide. >> reporter: can we assume that more than 1,000 have -- >> we'll have to double check. we keep it by

hospital-by-hospital basis. >> reporter: you're talking about a growing concern in long island. should people anticipate -- >> if you look at the numbers again -- that's why i keep saying -- can you put back the bar chart, please? look, for me -- i'm not a medical doctor, and even a medical doctor, you follow the data. you look at the numbers. we've been saying for the past few days, watch long island. it is like a fire spreading. at one point the fire doesn't max out in one place, but it consumes where it is, and then it's moving out. you look at where it's moving, you see that long island number is growing. it's been growing for the past ten days, right? it's been growing steadily. so where interestingly, it's not moving in order, it's moving

more east than it is north. that's what those numbers say. >> reporter: is there a reason the state is not breaking it down by age, by gender, by race? new york city is doing that, others places are doing that. can we get that sort of data? >> we could do that, yes. >> reporter: you can? you will provide that? >> jessie, yesterday we launched a site that breaks it down by county. we'll add age range, and death by county and the information you're asking for, and it will be updated twice a day. >> excuse me one second. you know, we get it by hospital those hospitals are just dots on the map. if you're looking for where it's moving, and then deploying equipment like right ahead of the fire, that's what we're doing. but we can run the data however

they have it. >> reporter: there any case that the spread on long island is because residents have spread out east or seeking treatment there? >> i don't think we know. >> reporter: when are the ventilators from oregon expected to arrive, and with those plus from china, how many days do you thing we have left? >> look, i love that expression, you go to war with what you have, not what you need, right? we're not at the apex, so we're still in the stage where we have the luxury, if you will, to gather as much as we can. so the 1,000 ventilators, and from china, and the 140 from oregon. we're still shopping, and all those other devices that we talked about splitting -- you know, splitting theoretically means every ventilators can help two people.

it doubles the numbers of ventilators. theoretically. the doctors feel that moving. splitting is not ideal by any stretch of the imagination. bi-pap machines, we have 5,000, they can't replace a ventilators, but can replace for a person who doesn't need a full ventilator. we're still gathering equipment, but when you hit the apex, you have what you have. i talked to the white house several times a day. you know, the federal government says the stockpile is about 10,000, moving a bit, but that's for the nation. that's for the nation. so there's no place, no repository that is going to have everything that we need.

by the way urg by the way, even if we had total access to china, i think they have distributed so much product that they don't have it. at one point, you are where you are, and then you have to do the best with what you have, right? we're not there yet, but we're getting close, and then we have all those backup measures. we're going to have to make do, with all of that, with the machines and available units and shifting units. that's where you're going to be. you go to war with what you have. >> reporter: how many days you run out? you said six days ago the other -- >> that's still the case. you don't know what the number is at the apex. tell me what the inflow it on

the apex, and i'll tell you what we need. we don't know the inflow at the apex. nobody can tell you that. nobody can tell you the number that it stops at. i say five times aday, what's the number at the top of the mountain? nobody can answer that question. hopefully it starts to peak as soon as possible, you know, i'd like the apex to be tomorrow, right? so nobody can answer that specifically, because you just don't know what the numb is at the top. >> reporter: do you anticipate still 10,000 beds for coronavirus patients? that was the prediction earlier. >> you know, gentlemjessie, it on where it stops. >> reporter: it seems like a long way to go, right? >> well, you are looking at a system that is now at 75,000

beds. we are at 75,000 beds, right? we had 53. we mandated an increase of 50%. that takes us to about 75 and change. and then we added other -- we added 2500 at javits, so we must be close to 80,000 bets. >> reporter: the question is if you have 16,000, 17,000 people hospitalized with coronavirus, are you going to need that? >> i don't know. it flipped. nobody expected the need of equipment that we have. nobody diagnosed or suggested ppe shortages. you know, you have to adjust. we were focused on beds early

on, and we scrambled on the beds, but now it turns out it's ppe, masks and ventilators. >> reporter: you were sued on tuesday by the nra. do you expect more challenges to come -- >> i think i've been sued by the nra it must be a dozen times. i didn't even know i was sued this time. you become sort of lawsuit-immune. i wish you could become immune to this virus the way i've become immune to nra lawsuits. >> reporter: do you still expect legal challenges from these executive orders? >> you know, i suspect -- yeah, as i said the other day, it's a slow day if i don't get sued five times, right? the state is a great target. >> reporter: what is the status of the volunteer health care workers. have any of them been sent out

to different hospitals? if so, how many and what kind of vetting process? >> jim will answer, but remember, we collect the universe, then it has to be vetted, and people basically hired by individual hospitals to meet their needs. they have to be comfortable that person meets those needs. >> we have a vetting process internally about 175 people vet the respective volunteers. we check for licensing and check for disciplinary problems mostly. then those get put into the portal. often the opts will do their own vet as well to make sure. we have -- we've had about two dozen hospitals already connect with several thousand employees. every hospital that has had a need has been met in the portal so far, and we expect that to grow on a daily basis as we continue to manage this process.

>> reporter: governor, can you update us on what the response has been since you put out the call for new york state companies to start manufacturing some of the equipment so desperately needed? >> thank you. we have had some companies come forward. again it's all timing. we're talking about being several days from the apex, and our need is one week, even if you take the longest projection. to say to a company i need you to start making a million gowns and need you here in two weeks, is hard. but there are companies that are interested. they have come forward, and we're working with them. jessie, back to your point, the ten-day shift in this bar chart is dramatic. new york city went from 75% of the cases in the state down to

65. that is almost all growth in long island, from 15% of the cases to 22. so the shift is undeniable. >> reporter: new york city suburb, rockland county officials have been asking why there's not been a containment zone in and around some of the community around muncie, new york? >> have you heard that? >> i haven't heard about that. >> nobody's asked me. >> but when you talk about the containment zone, like in westchester, that was about ending gatherings, shutting down houses of worship and schools. we have now done that statewide. certainly will reach out and ask. but when you talk about that contain metropolitan zone, what we did in new rochelle -- all right. you've been listening to governor cuomo give an update. he did a lot of things in this response.

he compared the coronavirus outoutbreak talking about a neighborhood fire, that you would want to put out the fire, borer your neighbor's hose, give it back to the neighbor, so it diplomat catch on fire. he talked about the u.s. actually sending critically needed protective supplies to china and to other countries, having to buy on the open market. and oregon, the state of oregon whose governor's name is kate brown, has now down what we talked to the mayor de blasio about this morning. states apparently are starting to implement their own plan to work together to try to stop the spread of this virus. oregon has sent 140 ventilators unsolicited to new york. oregon's curve is supposed to hit weeks from now. so because they are ahead of when the virus is going to hit them hard, they have sent

ventilators to new york, and new york can send them back to oregon in time when it hits them hard. that's really smart and that's the way governors are taking control of the situation, because we don't have leadership coming out of washington. i want to bring in current congressman charlie crist of florida. he was a governor of florida, now a congressman. i want to bring in media strategist rick willisent, the author of "running against the devil." and kimberly atkins is still with us, and i want to introduce teresa tomlinson, a democratic candidate for senator in the state of georgia. i still want to say governor kris, congressman crist -- >> how about charlie? states are acting on their own ways to share ppe. the state of oregon now acting to help new york. is that what we're looking at

now, in light of a lack of presidential leadership, that states will have to do this on their own? >> my god, of course. it's important. you have to have leadership assert at a time like this. we're in a crisis. god forbid it gets much worse. we hope the apex hits and the decline starts to come in the number of cases, certainly the number of deaths. i think it's important that states step up. you know, if the federal government isn't doing enough from the administration's point of view, and a lot of people earp concerned about that, i gelt it, then of course states have to step up. as a former governor and attorney general of florida, i understand there's a time you have to take control. listen, florida is a state of 22 million people, joy. you're from here, you understand the state. it's huge. making sure you're doing what's right for the people of your state is the first order of business. health, safety and welfare. any governor understands that. we just heard from governor

cuomo, and he's on point, staying on it, and needs to. every governor needs to do that. it's their oath to uphold the constitution not only of the state, but unfortunate united states, and it's of the people, by the people, for the people, always. i don't want though put you in a position of critiquing the current governor, but his actions have stood out. it has the single old it's county in the entire country, the villages is a huge retirement community and there are others there. yet, he took a long time -- it's a tourist-related economy. he took a long time to even stop spring break from filling up beaches, restaurants and et cetera, bars. here is his explanation for why it took him so long to shut down the state of florida's -- you know, the risky activity there

for the spread of the virus. take a listen. >> the spring breakers were here, shawn. at that time the cdc guidance was groups of 250 people. when they're showing the things for one day in clearwater, that have the guidance. when it changed to ten, i banned groups of ten or more. >> governor crist, when you were governor of florida, would you have needed the federal government or the cdc to tell you to reduce -- to close the beaches, make sure disneyworld was closed? would you have needed the trump administration to tell you to do it? >> no, all you need, joy, is your common sense. understand what you believe is right in your heart and soul, act upon it, be decisive, assert leadership. that's what people expect. that's what people expect of a president. that's what we need now more than ever. thank god for everything we do have, and understand that we need to keep hope alive.

we need to be optimistic. it's tough in a time like this to do that, but we need to be forward-looking. if that leadership comes from governors, that's great. if it comes from the president, that's wonderful, but if not, it has to come from us, the people, and god. i wish the governor was more rapid in getting things moving, but i'm encouraged for what i've seen lately. it started with the order that people coming from new york would have to be quarantined for 14 days, but then he finally did issue the order to stay at home. i'm glad to see that. it's easy to be a monday morning quarterback in these things, and see the game that was played before. i'm going to not do that. having been in those quarterback shoes, as governor of florida, too, but i understand there's fog of war that goes on here. and this is a war. this is a war of a crisis, a health crisis, so you know,

there will be mistakes. i made mistakes, he's going to make some. that's okay. you do the best you can with the best people around you who can advise you. his cleave of staff was pie last chief of staff. the first lady is actively engaged as i understand it, and that's all very helpful to 9 governor to make wise decision, but do what's right for people and get us out of this sooner rather than later. it's challenging, but i think he's doing the best he can. god bless him. >> i will say this is -- you have to resist some of the partisan pressures from within your own parties. you did that in holding open party lines when it was not popular to do that. one more question before we add other things in -- dennis, there is a cruise ship off the coast of florida, on which some people are sick with covid-19.

the governor has said he will only allow people off that holland america cruise ship who are florida residents. that would leave about 1200 other people, international visitors, people who probably love florida as visitors, people also in need, stuck on the ship and people from other states. what should he be doing? obviously he's saying he doesn't want to see florida's hospitals get overwhelmed, but as a matter of compassion, just leaving people on the ships seems incredibly inhumane. what would you advise him? >> help people. help people first. people say that all the time. on every newscast that i have seen. i love my fellow floridians with my heart and soul, but help the people. there are people on that boat who need help. we've got great hospitals throughout the state of florida, great medical institutions throughout the state of florida. they can be brought to bear to

help people who are innocently on a boat -- a ship, rather, a cruise ship nearby our state. good florida helps all people. that's what we should be doing, in this situation and every other. rick wilson, you also live in florida. this photo -- there's a mobile phone location that is now tracking where there appears to be one sort of cohort of people who were impacted who would coronavirus. they're able to track it to a set of beach-goers during spring break. we know that decision had real-life impact on people t i want you to also talk about the way florida is being managed right now. you know, the governor -- congressman krist i think is being very kind to the current governor, but there's been a lot of criticism with the way he's handled it. your thoughts? >> charlie is right, there's a

fog of war effect in all these things. there's a certain degree to which there are unknown factors in play. however, the best practices from the front end of this thing were things for whatever set of reasons, governor desantis resisted. he did not want to close the beaches or restaurant. he did not want to cut off spring break, and it ended up with a point where i think he's sort of taking it serially at two points. first was when it got loose in the villages. that's that area you talked about in sumter county, very republican, very old, and it 1udly became serious when cases stunned up there. i also think he was weighing for cues from the trump administration. as a conservative, i tend to look at state governors as veg a certain degree of federalist a ton miss and response for what they do.

if governor crist was in office and a hurricane was coming, he wouldn't wait for president obama. i think there's a lot of fear in desantis' team, the implications were so enormous, and implications of making donald trump mad, which is what republicans fear more than anything on earth, they would rather make mistake that were costly to people than a mean tweet from trump. look, i'm glad hi's doing what he's doing now. i think we all are. i think the shelter in place order is three weeks too late. i'm hoping to mitigate a lot of that. i also will say people down the chain, counties where i live, we've been shut down for 10 or 11 days before the governor decided to do it.

all these things -- the responsibility flows downhill. >> i think that's a good point. even in texas with the slow, at the statewide level, dallas county has been very aggressive. just one more question to you, rick. ideology is the thing that, before there was such thing as never-trumpers, where you and i would tweet the same thing, which is crazy where where we started -- we were always on opposite sides of issues -- so ydology goes away in war, national disasters and crises? now people are rethinking, things like the fact states did not expand medicaid. two of those are georgia and florida. boy, you sure do wish a lot of people are wondering, maybe it would be better if we had gone ahead and taken the obama care expansion, we wouldn't have a crisis about uninsured people,

for instance. i wonder if you can critique the ideological strain here. a lot of people have been watching fox news in the villages. they're not watching me. if they've been told for a long time the virus certainty real, aren't they in a sense at more risk, because they only listen to donald trump? if he plays it down, they play it down. he played it down for two months. at the best-case scenario, where he 1st, it's the flu, we've got it under control, the numbers are going down, we're not going to let them in. it wasn't true, but they believed it was true. i think there will be a set of consequences from that where people were not socially distancing. we have mike hill in the panhandle who a few days after it got very serious was posting pictures on facebook he was hanging out with buddies eating at restaurants. we're not going to play the media game, but we're at the

point now -- when you're in a crisis, a hurricane, an earthquake, a national disaster, a terrorist attack, you have to do the things that manage the crisis. those things are not political, they are nuts and bolts. they are getting in and dealing with the problem, taking responsibility, they're asaning tasks, they're being transparent about what's happening. they require month than just the comfort zone of political -- the warm blanket of your political preferences, left or right. >> people were talking about universal -- i'm sorry, go ahead, charlie crist. >> i couldn't agree more, i say it all the time when you talk about the ideology of different issues, most of the time it's about right versus wrong, not right versus left. when i got elected in 206, i was

a republican still. i would tell people right after the election, who talked to me, you know, during the time leading up to being sworn in that, you know, i wasn't elected the governor of the republicans of florida. i was elected the governor of the people of florida. i'm going to comport myself that way and try to call balls and strikes every day, just what's right and what's wrong. at the end of any discussion i would have, whether it's extending voting rights or what have you, i would always ask, is this the right thing to do? invariably they would give me a straight-up answer, and thank god for that. >> which brings me to georgia. teresa tomlinson, you were running for the united states congress in georgia. kemp says he just discovered recently that people who were

asymptomatic can still transmit coronavirus to other people without even knowing it. the cdc is not only located in georgia, it's not far from his office. he's in the state where the cdc is. does it seem incredible that he just figured this out? your thoughts. >> no, it's not credible to anyone, joy. he became the brunt of jokes nationwide for quote/unquote stupidity or lacking intelligence. of course, we know the nation knew, and certainly those engaged in these high-left conversations knew in february, and the atlanta journal constitution broke this morning that his administration knew several weeks ago specifically that someone who was asymptomatic could spread the disease. i believe he had a difficult time looking in the camera, the face of georgians, and telling

him his republican swagger, his don't tread on me, go it alone--ism, had put them at risk had put these communities at risk. to build on what some of the other having saying, we've had this 30 to 40-year march of antigovernment libertarianism seeping into the republican party and becoming mainstream. and people who don't believe in a centralized federal government, that's why you had the disastrous response to katrina, the inept response to the market crash in 2008, and then this major disastrous response here to the coronavirus. they simply don't know what government can do, because they don't believe in the concept of federal government. and you have that same thing at the state level where kemp, desantis, governor ivey, reeves

in mississippi, just don't think the states should be involved in this pursuit of the general welfare and public health of the people it's result indeed chaos and dysfunction, so please let's let one of the lessons come from this moment in time is we cannot elect people who do not believe in the functioning of a centralized government and state-coordinated government. if you don't believe it, you can't run it. the governor touches our days. and governor temp in a sense stood up to president trump, and appointed kelly loeffler instead of what the president would have preferred. apparently they sold a lot of

stock, they knew in january, after there was a high-level united states senate briefing about how dangerous this situation could be. we know another senator, burr, warned high-level contributor donors. she was selling stock. i mean, does it make sense for the governor to be unaware of what a united states senator knew about, but appears to be dumping stock as a result of? >> yeah. well, you see, of course, they're pursuing. you have a couple actors out there pursuing their own best interests at a time of national crisis. so you see the stock trading not just from kelly loeffler, but questions have been raced by david perdue, which of course i'm running to unseat, and whether he was using that same information to trade in his personal stocks, because he does not have a blind trust, but you also see the ideological self-interests in of course rolling back the epa standards

in a time of crisis, in texas using this moment to ban abortion, but promote gun sales. you know, then here in georgia we actually have an effort to move the primary from may 19th, which at first we thought was because of public health and the republican leaders that were advocating it just blatantly said, no, we don't want in-home mail-in balloting, because too many democrats vote and we'll have to take it back to the in-person voting that we have a leg up in voters suppression techniqueses. so we have to stop with the solicit dealing and come together to be the states men and women that the hear congressman crist and others talk about. it's too important. indeed. let me quickly bring in ruben g gallego. we also have had this week an

aircraft carrier captain relieved of duty after warning the trump administration about the danger to his sailors. now he's been relieved of duty. i just want your comments on that, if we could. >> first of all, it's dangerous to be acting this way. the secretary of the navy is essential telling his combat and commanders, generals, it is more important for these people, these generals, they officers, to take care of the reputation and not embarrass the department of defense or the president than to take care of their men and women. as an enlisted person, there's nothing that is -- there's nothing that is the worst feeling in the world when you know your own leadership doesn't care about you, and only cares about trying to preserve some idea of trying to protect the

higher-ups. it's very scary. i can't believe this administration would do something like this -- well, actually i can. we've seen states trying to develop state-by-state relationships -- there's a fourth bill, something that congress can do about that? >> we're going to look at everything we could help the states. the problem is twofold. the federal government is the only organization that can quickly organize this. number two, because of the free market right now, is taking advantage of shortages, and you have all the shady middle men jumping in and disrupting what's normally a easy trade of goods. this is why the federal

government should jump in, and really try to coordinate this, and stop the shady price gouging and back-and-forth dealings happening between who knows how many middle men before the goods hit the market or these hospitals. very quickly, kimberly atkins, this is the 52nd an verse of the assassination of dr. martin luther king jr., but also governor cuomo said they would try to distribute data by race. we know that the african-american community is being hit doubly hard by this crisis. just per your reporting, are most states giving us reporting data by race in terms of deaths and people affected by covid-19? >> the short answer to that is no. there are already some lawmakers in congress pushing for that, congresswoman presley for a

while has been pressing for this. we know not only in more densely populated areas, but poorer areas, we're seeing covid-19 hit in a more serious wail. that continues ton -- lawmakers are trying to get to what is behind that and whether there is just to get better date before you can make any determinational all. that's the challenge here. >> absolute ly. >> thank you for being here and sticking with us through the cuomo presser. congressman kris with the word of the day -- react with love. thank you all so much. i really appreciate it. more with alex witt covering this crisis, more after the break. witt covering this crisis, more after the break. rength, stability, and online tools you need. and now it's no different. because helping you through this crisis is what we're made for.

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