and despite 300,000 confirmed cases in the country, more than 100,000 in new york state alone. andrew cuomo warned this morning that it will continue to get worse before it gets better. >> we're not yet at the apex. we're getting closer. depending on who's model you look at. they'll say four, five, six, seven days. some people go out 14 days. but our reading of the projections is we're somewhere in the seven day range. it's good we're not at the apex. we're not yet ready for the apex. >> new york state and governor cuomo said is not quite ready for the apex. in part because donald trump and you just saw has shown no interest in harnessing the power of the federal government to nationalize response to the virus. at today's coronavirus task

force briefing, he questioned the need for medical equipment that health care professionals are literally begging for. he also faced questions about the other big story, the firing of the inspector general who first flagged the ukraine whistle-blower complaint that led to him getting impeached. >> i keep saying where is the whistle-blower? why was the whistle-blower allowed to do this? why was he allowed to be fraudulent or incorrect as i've said it many times and it drives you people crazy. it was a perfect conversation. it's a fake whistle-blower. and, frankly, somebody ought to sue his ass off. >> joining me now is gregory meeks and reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network. thank you both for being here. i will allow both of you to respond to what you heard from donald trump over the last hour that he's been speaking. he and his administration. i guess we'll have the congressman go first.

he seems to think all is well in new york. >> my thought is he is who he is. i turn him off now. he keeps lying. he should come here. i've been here at home working, you know, almost 16 hours a day. you know, because trying to figure out how i can help my hospitals. i have three hospitals in my district. if you would just talk to some of the ceos of the hospital and ask them who they have everything that they need, you would find out immediately that they don't know how they're going to survive next week. because the need for ventilators, the need for goggles and robes and booties and, you know, even running out of medicine, beds to try their best to convert other space in the hospital to make -- to create more beds. he should listen to governor cuomo and his reports every day. and then he'll see and understand the truth of what is taking place in new york city

that we need a lot of things. we need a lot of help as the governor just stated on your segment just then. we have not reached that apex yet. the mayor said today we don't know if we have enough ventilators for next week because the apex is coming. we're not ready at all. >> you know, rev, you were not able to turn it off. you, i know, have been monitoring the entire press conference reality show, whatever we're calling it at this point that donald trump does every day that seems to soothe him in some way to be able to do it. you have known presidents. you dealt with mayors of new york. you dealt with governors of new york as a civil rights activist. can you just assess for me what are we watching? it's unlike anything i have personally ever seen from any political leader. it's not clear what his point is or what his purpose is back to the perfect call business about the thing for which he was impeached denying his own home city and home state resources for some reason. i can't understand. do you have a better

understanding of this? you know donald trump for a very long time. can you please explain it? >> to know him and have fought with him as i have doesn't mean you know him. you just saw vintage donald trump. at one level he came out commending everyone, commending governors, commending joe biden for saying that he was right to block people from coming to china. he came out like he was on his good behavior. and then as we went in and they brought up michael atkinson who was the inspector general he fired last night, he started actually cursing. he started replaying his defense of his behavior with ukraine. then he -- when a question of joe biden coming up, there was a tweet that went out. he started suggesting joe biden didn't even write the tweet. and he wouldn't even understand it if he was watching right now and implying there is something wrong with joe biden's facility to understand things.

and then you have him talking about them providing vent lateors but thlatventilators and obsession with using the drug that he talked about with lupus while you have professional doctors standing there. he's openly saying, just speaking for myself, but i wish they would try this. i don't know if it would help or not. this is vintage trump. he cannot keep himself on one line of whether he's going to be a statesman that is helpful or whether he's going to be this rude person with all this acrimonious kind of attacks on people including he started attacking reporters. the sad news is that we are looking at deaths in new york every day going up. we're talking about people dying. so this is not about me just attacking donald trump. for him to be standing there talking about a drug that no one

knows whether it works and implying that we wouldn't like the data from the equipment that everyone is saying they need, for him to stand there and talk about the -- that tomorrow's palm sunday and rather than saying we don't need people to gather like many of us have called on clergymen to not risk lives, he's talking about how sad it is he's going to have to watch it on computer, watch his service and easter. we're talking about people being infected that can lead to their death. easter and palm sunday is about an abundant life about, christ dying for us to live abundantly not to risk our lives and act in some reckless way. i think that it was long. it was drown out. but i think anyone that can watch it like i did or anyone that did saw the kind of level this president goes back and forth that i really, really feel

that we are in dangerous position when you have a president that can't even keep a one track on we need to be healing this country and pulling it together. how do you imply that the guy that you may be running against can watch a press conference and don't even understand what he's watching while you're trying to heal a nation? why do you start cursing about an inspector general that you fired? i mean, i thought it was vintage donald trump. it couldn't have been at a more inappropriate time. >> yeah. it is hard to fathom. you and i are from brooklyn. he is a native of queens. no emotion. there is nothing -- nothing. and we're approaching the level of death that we saw in new york on 9/11. he doesn't seem to feel a thing. congressman, let's play somebody who actually does care. let's play governor cuomo. a lot of criticisms over governor chrome yoe and liber governor cuomo but he stepped up to the plate. here he is talking about the stockpile, the whole thing we're

debating back and forth with this administration. who is the stockpile? here he is talking about it. >> i talked to the white house several times a day. you know, the federal government says the stockpile is about 10,000, moves a little bit. let's say it's 10,000. that's for the nation. that's for the nation. so there is no place, there's no repository that is going to have everything that we need. >> you know, congressman, new york has now had to get donated ventilators from another state. that is -- they're being helped by oregon more than they're being helped by the white house, by the administration. if this was a hurricane, this would be deal with it yourself. the federal government is not even going to declare a disaster, we can't help you. have you ever seen anything like this in your life as just a human being let alone as an elected official?

>> absolutely not. this president -- i use that word loosely because he's not a leader -- reverend jackson is right. in my district alone, over the past seven days, there has been 12 people that i know, some pillars of this community that are now dead. dead. losing their life. there are individuals that are sick at home, some who need to go to a hospital. i was told the story yesterday that there was an individual, she happens to be 84 years old. the ems came to take her to the hospital. the hospital said they had no room for her. they ended up taking her back home. and then another ems came and they didn't have enough -- didn't have room for her. so then she had to drive going some place else and took her daughter coming from parts of new jersey otherwise she would still be at her house probably dead now. so hopefully she's got to a hospital and has a ventilator. we have no leadership at the top. we have states competing against states for the ventilators. so what i am doing, part of my

job right now, i am trying to track down ventilators. i'm trying to find the individuals that will come in and bring in the ventilators and bring in the masks. that's what i'm doing. then i'm calling the state and calling the city to try to hook them up with these vendors. it is no leadership. there is nothing that's coming from the president that is coming from washington, d.c. as people are -- this number continues to rise. so this president is not a leader. he's a liar. and that's what he's doing. the little part that i saw, just made me upset because he's lying again if he says that dwoewe do need anything in new york. it's absolute lie. that's what it is. i'm tired of his lying. >> the united states of -- you know, americans throw the amazing telethons to help people in the times of need. international communities have to do a telethon for the united states. we don't have any help from our federal government. congressman, thank you. reverend al sharpton, thank you for sitting through that entire

thing with the rest of us so we could talk to you about it. >> i will noi w go and pray. to sit through that, joy. i would hope ministers around the country do not have in person services tomorrow. please, you will not want to have someone coming to get a palm and risk having to put a flower on a grave. risk it. but that's what it is possible. we should act more responsible than that. >> absolutely. rev, you know my pastor from when i was in miami. you know the large churches. anybody you want to reach out to from my circle, reach out to them as well. >> he got affected by it. reverend bernard. >> absolutely. >> he's in new york city, that's right. >> right in new york city. at this point, i think we almost all know someone personally that's been impacted by this. if you live in new york at all, you know somebody that is affected by it. it is unbelievable. donald trump is from new york

just like we are. i can't believe it. thank you both gentlemen. be safe, please. >> thank you. >> thank you. and thank you so much. joining me now is the chief medical officer at os moes is, a health education platform. i'm going to throw this to you. this was the mayor of newark, new jersey. talking about what cities, what cities are having to do and what the states are having to do and what hospitals are having to do just to get their hands on the basic equipment to protect themselves, protect the doctors and nurses and to treat their patients. take a listen. >> we should not be competing in the marketplace for tests and gowns and masks in this difficult, difficult time. we don't have the power or the resources to compete with new york city. we can't -- if new york buys masks for $7, we can't buy them for $8 or $9. we can't do. that that means we go without. >> doctor, the idea that cities

and states are having to basically go on sort of a version of ebay and compete against each other and outbid each other just to get gowns and masks for health care workers is shocking. it is 2020. your thoughts? >> yeah. it sounds like a movie that i watched a while back hunger games where people are basically competing for resources and lives are at risk. and it's crazy. i think what we need is the opposite. there are some stories of the opposite i'd like to share as well. we're at the local level. we are seeing some collaboration as well. it cuts both ways. we're seeing stories of heroism and surprise as well. with the stories of sharing or collaboration, one quick one. i'm a pediatrician. this is not hitting kids as hard as it's hitting the elderly. you know that.

so pediatric hospitals are taking on some adult patients to clear up space for neighboring hospitals that can then take on more capacity. another example, some labs are doing testing in a scaled up a little bit more and are now doing testing from neighboring labs to say i know you need testing done. we got your back. governor kate brown, you talked about this as well, oregon is 33rd on the list of number of cases. the week link is new york. that is the state being hit the hardest. we all have to step up and help that link. stay strong. otherwise the whole chain brakes. . >> doctor, this morning governor cuomo, said it's almost like there is a fire in your neighborhood. that house is on fire. you get the garden hose, you borrow the neighbor's hose, you pass hose to make sure the next house doesn't catch on fire. is what he is proposing make

sense? that states, as you said, they're going to get hit in another week or two, send all the resources they can to new york. let them have it. have the ppe, use it, and then when the curve starts to go down in new york, then you ship it off to the next state s that way this should be being done? >> that is one of the ways that this has to be done. and not just that the state level. . as you mentioned, at the beginning of this, it is your idea, we need to get international help right now. there are kun thcountries that gone through the worst of it. we need to open our arms and swallow our pride and say, hey, we need help right now. and help us out if you can with m- m-95 masks and ease the regulation that's allow the shipments to come into our country. i think it has to happen. state by state as well. i think people will remember this for a long time. how did my state, my location act in this moment of crisis? and did we act generously or were we kind of inward turning?

and there are states that have capacity and we have to just lean heavily on that capacity sharing right now to help the hardest hit states. >> yeah. we're out of time. can i ask you quickly before i let you go? there is this ship off the coast of florida that governor there does not want to embark there. some people we know are sick on that ship. can you give him advice on what can be done? he said he doesn't want to overrun the hospital capacity in florida. it seems to inhumane to leave people on that ship to die. what can be done? >> this speaks to our values. we definitely need to get that ship and all the people on that ship safe and healthy. i actually know some friends that have family members on that ship. i'll tell you, i think 100% we need to help every american and frankly every person around the world right now. we can't abandon people. what does that say about our values? >> yeah. absolutely. i cannot believe we're at the point where america needs an international telethon for us. it's horrific. it is where we are.

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if you're advising the president, is there something you would tell him to do whether it is an actual move or moving on his messaging to the american people? >> i'll be honest. i'd ask him to resign. i think he is the worst failed leader our country has ever seen. he's not setting achievable and aggressive goals. he's not marshalling the resources that we need in order to be able to solve the problems, the extremely complex problems that we're facing both from health perspective and economic perspective. >> president obama's former acting labor secretary seth harris said that just moments after the labor department

announced that 6.6 million americans filed to be unemployment benefits last week. it is an astonishing figure. when you add it to the 3.3 million people who filed the week before, we're talking about nearly 10 million people who have filed jobless claims in the last two weeks alone. an economist of federal reserve thinks as many as 47 million people, 47 million, could ultimately wind up losing their jobs due to the pandemic. that would hike the unemployment rate to a mind boggling 32%. joining me now is barbara boxer, former united states senator from california, seth harris who you just heard in that clip we played, a forming actor labor secretary under president obama, and heidi here sheerholtz under federal labor secretary tom perez. seth, i'm going to start with you. donald trump didn't cause coronavirus, covid-19. it is a virus.

virus has no ideology. however, his handling of it from start to finish right up until today has been so bizarre. what specifically do you think that he has done that in your mind merits his resignation at this point? >> joy, i think that we judge our public leaders based on outcomes. and the outcomes of this pandemic are that we are going to lead the world in deaths. we're going to lead the world in infections. and we're going to lead the world into the worst deepest recession depression since the great depression. and we're probably other statistics that we're going to lead the way on. we're probably going to destroy more small businesses than ever before. we might hit a record unemployment level. so if you're judging your public leaders based on outcomes, you

have to say this is failure. and you could list a whole bunch of things that he's failed to do to avoid these outcomes. but we know it's not inevitable that we're in this bad spot. other countries have not had these kinds of horrible outcomes. south korea, germany, some of the scandinavian countries aren't seeing what we're seeing because their leaders ferociously right at the beginning tested. they isolated people. they did national lockdowns. just the kind of things that you do in a crisis when you're wartime leader as our president claims to be. so i, you know, i'm not the kind of guy -- i'm not a political pundit. i'm not the person that comments on that stuff. you no he that, joy. but watching those 10 million people lose jobs, it's too upsetting for me not to say what millions of americans are already thinking. >> right. you know, it is hard to imagine any united states president trying to spin the idea of up to 200,000 human beings dying on

their watch as a win. but that's what donald trump did. it is shocking to hear somebody who is, you know, from new york be completely just cold to the idea of more people potentially dying very soon than died in 9/11 and not reacting it to. but, senator boxer, when donald trump was impeached, one of the things he was impeached for is contempt of congress. the other thing was attempting to strong arm a foreign government to get his way politically. that he wanted something in return for the money that congress had appropriated to give ukraine. now we're watching donald trump watch as states are all competing back and forth to try to get supplies that they desperately need to save people's lives. in some cases, states that are -- have a friendly governor that is nice to trum, get better treatment in terms of the resource this is he can get from the federal government. it's almost kind of like can you -- i want you to do me a favor though. that's been done with our own

governors. it is -- do you talk with, have you had conversations with some of your republican colleagues who maybe -- have any of them had second thoughts about allowing this man to remain in office when they have the opportunity to change the leadership that was in charge of this incredible crisis? >> i have not spoken to my former republican colleagues. but i want to make a point which i think you're making beautifully. which is we've gone through tough rough patches, terrible patches before. 9/11, george w. bush, and i served with five presidents, three were republican, two democratic. okay. 9/11 -- he didn't look at governor pataki of new york and say, you know this happened on your soil. you take the lead. george w. bush took the lead. now i didn't always agree with george w. bush. but he was the leader. then you had obama in the great

recession. he didn't say to the governors, republicans, democrats, red/blue states, listen, some of you states got hit way worse. there is some hot spots here. and i remember those hot spots because those were the areas where the real estate market just fell out. he didn't say that the governors, this is what you have to do. we are one nation under god. i want to say this, joy. i'm trying to be not emotional. but today watching this presser and i didn't watch the entire thing. i couldn't. my husband and i kind of took turns doing it. it was painful. it was painful. at one point i just looked at stu and said god help us. this man is a loser, not a leader. he's afraid. he's scared. he's a coward. he can't take the leadership mantle because this is a terrible crisis. and so we are in the situation and, you know, saying president

should resign, that's great to say that and feel it and as a pragmatist, he's no the resigning. what we have to do is just doing what we're doing today, letting the american people know that this is not a leader. and we need a leader. and in a few months we can get one. >> yeah. crisis will build character. that up is clear. heidi, this is an economic catastrophe. you know, president obama inherited something very similar. he didn't get republicans to even sign on to a stimulus bill. we're not three rescue bills in. however, even with that having been passed and signed by donald trump, 701,000 jobs lost. when president obama took office this economy under george w. bush was losing 700,000 jobs a mofrment t month. we started with a low unemployment rate. that is going to explode.

we know there are ten million people not fully accounted for. here's the bikini chart that the wonderful folks put up. it shows this huge jobs report jumping that number up for unemployment. and that cut to my producers. then there is an expectation that this depression level, recession, could reach -- could exceed the 2008 recession. if two trillion dollars worth of fuel into the economy, even though it is piecemeal, giving people $1200 they won't get until may in some cases and extending unemployment, is that -- if that doesn't work, what else can be done? >> so there is a lot of stuff that can be done. i think that how we do in this is really a policy choice. we messed up some of the early policy choices early on like what seth said by us not getting accurate rapid testing in right

away. we now have -- we can't distinguish easily between who is sick and who needs to be quarantined. and who is well and could go about their daily lives. instead of doing targeted quarantines, we have no choice but to basically shut huge parts of the economy down. we screwed that up. but we can at this point even though we allow the virus to spread, we can do a lot to make sure that people are -- as many people as possible stay in their jobs. like we have european counterparts who are doing things like governments are paying coronavirus impacted businesses almost the entire amount of their workers' paychecks if they keep those workers on payroll. we could do something like that. to make sure that workers are okay. make it through the lockdown even though they're not working but they'll have income. and then the businesses are better off, too. when the threat of the virus is over and we can all come out and a lot of pent up demand, they will be able to turn on the

lights and get the economy going again. which would lead to a quick bounce back. so we screwed a lot of things up so far. but we -- it is really a policy choice going forward how bad this gets and how quick the recovery will be on the other end. >> yeah. absolutely. they can't tell us they don't have the money. they came up with $2 trillion and the fed came up with $1.7 trillion to throw to the banks. they have the money. >> they have the money. >> thank you all. they have the money. easily. former senator barbara bofxer, seth harris, thank you. heidi, thank you so much for your time. thank you. really appreciate it. coming up, the saga of the south. why many southern states are slow to react to the pandemic. ts to renovate your home, from inspiration to installation. like way more vanities perfect for you. nice. way more unique fixtures and tiles. pairing. ♪

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would you need the federal government or cdc to tell you to reduce -- to close the beaches, to make sure disney world is closed. would you need the trump add manition to tell you to do it? -- administration to tell you to do it? >>, no all you need, joy, is your common sense. understand what you believe is right and your heart and soul. act upon it. be decisive. assert leadership. that's what people expect of a governor and of a president. i wish that governor had been more rapidly, you know, getting things moving in florida. i'm encouraged of what i've seen lately. >> like many red states, florida has been slow to implement strict statewide lockdown

measures to prevent the spread of covid-19. it seems like many republican governors like florida's are taking their ques from trump rather than from experts like tony fauci. it could take a devastating toll on rural communities across the south. according to new reporting from poe litke yoe, witho "politico," certain southern hot spots are going to see suffering, hardship and death when cases peak. joining me now is a pulmonary and critical physician and wendell potter, president of business for medicare for all. thank you for being here. i'll start with you, commissioner fried. you just heard the former governor say he wouldn't need permission or encouragement from the federal government to do his job and protect the citizens of florida. can you explain as somebody that is very familiar with the government in florida, where he

seems to be so halting and hesitating in his response when he has the single oldest by gauge state in the country? >> you know, joy, first of all, thanks for having me on again tonight. i don't know. you know how hard we all fought to even get the governor to this point. and, yet, his executive order is filled with even loopholes. and then hours later he quietly signed an additional order that had even more loopholes and less restrictions than even the first order. creating really uncertainty with so many of our local officials. and it's uncertainty is hurting our rural community. i oversea agricultural, $137 billion industry in the state of florida. everybody i'm talking to are concerned. and this uncertainty is really been hurting them. this is something that we're going to have to deal with for very long time to the point that we're going to need usda dollars and federal assistance to get us through this. and even though that our unemployment website which is failing our citizens from day

one, something that was first created under then governor and now senator scott, but unfortunately, governor desantos was warned about the short comings last year and did nothing to fix it. and this is now going to be on them. what we're also seeing is the florida gop is attacking me for bringing up some of the questions about the governor. even though the entire country is questioning leadership, it's a shame that the republican gop finds this is the time to bring partisan politics. and i can tell you that every single decision that i made, every decision and thing that we did inside of the department wasn't because of i was a democrat. i have a responsibility as a statewide elected official to protect the citizens of our state and it has to be state before party every single day especially during times like this. >> absolutely. yeah. i guess this sounds like they're treating him the way the national gop treats donald trump. but are churches onest grou of

groups that is exempted to have gatherings more than 250? >> that is part of the second order he quietly signed was to create this exemption for churches. and, look, you know, of course we're sympathetic to people wanting to be, you know, to gather together for a religious purposes, passover starts on wednesday. i would love an opportunity to be with my family during passover. but we have to put our health and safety as a priority. >> absolutely. absolutely. dr. millstone, florida is one of several states that refuse to expand medicaid. because of president obama. president obama existed so they didn't want to expend it. texas, florida, north carolina, south carolina, georgia, mississippi, missouri, wisconsin, wyoming, south dakota. these are some of the states with some of the poorest health outcomes. you see the whole south is included. only louisiana flipped and kentucky they were lucky nouf have democratic governors allow them to have it.

how much is the lack of available health care feeding into this crisis particularly in the south? >> joy, first, thank you for having me today. you know, i honestly, there are a lot of battles to fight in this war. there are a lot of focus here. and i think many of your guests to day really focused on putting politics aside and really focusing more on policy. just within my own state i have to take this moment to thank the 2,000 doctors and health care workers that signed our letter back on march 20th speaking up for the well-being of their patients, colleagues to neighbors and many of the front line health care workers that ricti risk their lives, we can't thank them enough. there is still a long way to go. just like you pointed out, the south is uniquely poised to have a major problem in the outbreak because of the high rates of diabetes, high rates of obesity,

the high rates of high blood pressure. i really think it's all hands on deck and we've got to put politics aside and really focus on policy until we get through this pandemic. >> yeah. and, doctor, isn't it true that people who have underlying health issues, they come in and they've already are dealing with high blood pressure or diabetes, the virus is actually more lethal for them. if somebody already has health issues, they're in more danger. >> that's right. and i think the danger of complaisancy is today is a beautiful day in the south. it's sunny. there are people on golf courses. there are people lined up at ice cream stores. there are people going to the grocery store and not following the social distancing that our government has recommended. and i think the problem with this virus is that you can get it, you can be asymptomatic and take it home to your mother, your father, your grandparents, and if they have any other underlying health issues like diabetes or high blood pressure, they are very high risk.

but i just want to make a point and say not all the patients were taken care of have underlying health issues. we've seen plenty of the young people get very sick and end up on life support or institution elsewhere here in middle tennessee. >> absolutely. and mr. potter, you know, aside from the sort of pragmatic issues, alabama county got 5,000 rotted masks. we have a lot of issues on the federal level. i think the bisest has to be the fact we don't have a universal health care system to make sure that if you go in and you're treated for covid-19, you know, who pays for that? who pays for the test that you're getting? do you wind up getting billed for the other issues that you have underlying the covid-19 and what do you pay for? i feel like the thing that you care about in having universal health care, the cases being made every day, how do you convince americans that at this point maybe the thing to do is just say let's cover everyone with medicare. that way we don't have to worry about this.

>> more and more of america is coming to realize that over the past few weeks. the support for moving to medicare for all has really leaped. people are getting it. just a few weeks ago democrats on the debate stage were saying how much we need to protect the employer based health care system. if we were to have a debate right now, i doubt anyone would dare say that because we're looking at 35 million americans losing their jobs and losing their health insurance along it with. you got these states like tennessee where i grew up that didn't expand medicaid in that state because largely or partly because of. that you've seen 13 rural hospitals close across the state. and partst state whe of the sta in is going to be particularly hard hit because so many miners that work in the mines have lung issues and underlying health issues. it's going to be devastating.

until we get to understand as a nation that we need to cover everybody, that we're really, frankly, our brother's keeper, our brothers and sisters, we're going to have a real big problem here. having said that, the insurance industry by the way, joy, expects everybody to come out looking just fine. that's because so many elected procedures and other things scheduled are canceled. and they know that because we don't have medicare for all, we don't have another option for most people, they can just raise rates next year. so not only are people facing a real crisis here in terms of our health and well-being but also our financial health and well-being. even those that get through this and still have health insurance, they can expect to see their premiums increase significantly next year. >> go up. absolutely. of course, the donald trump administration is locking the door behind and not allowing people to sign up for the affordable care act care so people are going to be left without insurance. and then you have a pre-existing condition if you get treated for covid-19 and recover. i think a lot of people need to think about it, you know, obama

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the state of oregon contacted us and is going to send 140 ventilators. which is, i'll tell you, just astonishing and unexpected. >> earlier today new york governor andrew cuomo announced the state of oregon is going to send 140 ventilators to new york, a welcomed gift as cuomo is warning that new york had run out of ventilators in a matter of days. joining me now is governor kate

brown of oregon. governor brown, i am so glad that you were able to join us today. it's great to end the show on a positive note. thank you as somebody born in new york and lived there for a very long time for what you did for new york. what prompted you to send that new yorkers' way? >> look, new yorkers needed the help, it was really, really clear. we've all been seeing the photos over the last week. oregon is in a position to help out. oregonians are known for their generosity, creativity and their boldness and we're really proud that we could help out in this moment. the harsh reality is we're all in this together. >> yeah, absolutely. orgone has 899 confirmed cases, 22 fatalities, condolences to each of those families. do you feel where you started is where we'll have to do? absent governmental leadership, can states make compacts and go

to a state like new york and come back to a state like oregon when a real wave hits your state? >> that's certainly the hope. we don't need the ventilators right now. we might at some future moment. i am hoping when we have needs in the future, other states will be willing to help out. that's when we do during fire season. those of us who live in the west are used to helping out our neighbors. i'm hoping if we need help in the future, other states will helps out. >> and have there been conversations, i know that there are national governor associations, democratic governor social securiassociati formalizing the idea of working to the to have states take the lead and do what needs to be done to help people survive? >> look, joy, states are truly on the front lines of this horrible pandemic. we've already been working together. it doesn't matter if you're a governor of a blue state or a governor of a red state. we all have the same needs.

we have dire needs for personal protective equipment, we have dire needs for testing capacities and many states, as you know, have dire needs for ventilators and hospital beds. it's going to be absolutely imperative as we move forward that we all work together to meet our different states' needs. i just feel very fortunate that right now oregon is in a place to be able to help. that's in part because i put in aggressive distancing measures early on and aurora borealioreg be abiding by them and it's working. that may change in the future. i'm hoping it will inspire others to step up as well. >> absolutely. and oregon can teach a lot to some of the other states that are trying to get through a lot of things. voting is something that's probably not top of mind to a lot of people right now but it's so important who leads you and that you choose people, choose governmental lead that's will

actually be there for you. we've seen a vast difference between the governors of various states. some have been great like yourself, some have been not so great. so the election is important. can you talk about vote by mail? this is something that oregon does, it's been implemented for quite a while. do you believe that vote by mail could allow us to have elections, crucially in november that are safe and secure? >> joy, the beauty of oregon is that we actually believe that your vote is your choice and that every single voice matters. we've been voting by mail for over 20 years now. it's extremely successful. it's very cost effective. it's very secure. and the best part is voters love it. we know this because we have one of the highest voter turn dwroudwrouturnouts in the entire country. it's extremely accessible. right now when we are asking

oregonians to stay home to save lives, it totally makes sense that people should be able to fill out their ballot at their can i have i don't know tab kitchen table and drop it off at their mailbox. >> and the president claims vote by mail causes fraud. do you see this has a problem? >> no, it isn't. we verify every single signature. the joy of vote by mail is you can replicate the results. you can go back and do an actual recount and verify the vote tally. and given what happened in the 2016 election cycle with russian interference and other issues in the last election cycle, it seems to me that a good old fashioned mail by paper ballot is the best way to go for the

future of the entire united states. the harsh -- the reality is that people are going to vote by mail because it's really easy and it's really accessible. and if we want folks to actually use this fundamental right of democracy, this act of voting, we need to make it easy for people and vote by mail does it. >> we have very little time. i'm going to let you give out a last word of advice of republican governors to confront the president of the united states and take the action for their states. what would you say to those governors? >> i just have to say to all of my governors who haven't moved forward on a stay-at-home order, please do so as quickly as possible. it is the most successful way to slow the transmission of this horrible disease and, frankly, to flatten the curve. and we're seeing that it's working in oregon. we know it works in other states. and i just want to encourage my other governors to take action

immediately. >> governor kate brown, your constituents should be very proud of you. you've done a great job. thank you so much for coming on tonight. stay safe and be well. >> thank you so much, joy. keep up the great work. >> thank you. thank you very much. and i want to thank you all at home for watching. please tune in tomorrow morning or "a.m. joy." right now ali velshi will pick up coverage on the other side of the break. so go get coffee and come right back. so go get coffee and come right back for small prices, you can build big dreams, spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair.com

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good evening. i'm ali vel cshivelshi. here's where things stand in the united states right now. the total number of confirmed cases has surpassed 300,000 and more than 8,200 have died in the united states. there's been a surge in cases and deaths. president trump is reiterating his desire to see the country back open. here he is at his coronavirus task force briefing earlier today. >> we have to get back to work. we have to open our country again. we have open our country again. we don't want to be doing this for months and months and months. we're going to open our country again. the cure can't be worse