good evening. i'm ali vel cshivelshi. here's where things stand in the united states right now. the total number of confirmed cases has surpassed 300,000 and more than 8,200 have died in the united states. there's been a surge in cases and deaths. president trump is reiterating his desire to see the country back open. here he is at his coronavirus task force briefing earlier today. >> we have to get back to work. we have to open our country again. we have open our country again. we don't want to be doing this for months and months and months. we're going to open our country again. the cure can't be worse than the

problem itself, right? i continue to say it. the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself. we got to get our country open. this country was not designed to be closed. so we have the greatest we've ever had and then we're paying people to stay home. we're paying people not to go to work. how about that? how does that play? and they want to go to work. they don't want money. this country is great. but we're paying people. we have to get back to work. that's what i'm saying. >> joining me now, an msnbc medical contributor and internal physician. dr dr. william shafter is a professor of infectious diseases. i see libby. you and i talked this morning and you said maybe donald trump needs to come to new york to see how things are. he vacillates between saying -- in fact he said probably two

hours ago there will be a lot of death this week and next week and then it's going to be terrible and then he skips right back into we got to get back to work. seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the seriousness of this infectious disease. >> total disconnect. it's completely conflicting topics, right? and points. and it's confusing people that are really strong supporters of him who are just really listening to him. i said this before and i'll say it again. as health care professionals, we have one sole agenda and that is the health and safety of the public of our patients. we do not care what political affiliation, religious affiliation, just doesn't matter. we care about your health. so, yeah, i get that, the urgency that he has of going back to work and getting the economy back. i get that. let me share a story. many years ago my father had quintuple bypass, major surgery.

emergency if of the very next day or after surgery he said i want to go back to work and go running? you can't do that. you're not ready. right now our society is not ready to be out roaming around in public because we have a pandemic and as we've said before, the data shows that the only way we know, the most effective way of reducing transmission of this disease for which we have no treatment, cure or vaccine is physical distancing. that's why the health care professionals are strongly making this point of physical distancing and staying home. >> i saw your tweet the other day. you gave blood. there are blood shortages around the country because a number of blood dries have been cancelled. however, how safe is it to give blood and what's the blood situation right now? >> yeah, i am so glad you brought that up. almost every day i'm talking to people and reminding them about blood don't's. so ever since we started this

stay at home recommendation, almost 3,000 blood drives were cancelled. it's important for the public to remember that one in seven people who enter a hospital need blood. people with sickle cell disease, trauma victims, g.i. bleeders, many, many people need blood. so when i donated blood, i went to a donation center right here in new york city. there was hardly anyone there other than staff. they were checking my temperature, they kept a distance, wearing masks. it was very safe from a public health stand point. so i really commend that facility. i think most blood donation facilities, they practice good hygiene at baseline so they're obviously ramping up at a time like this. >> dr. shafter in, i want to ask you about getting back to work and workplace safety. half the country is not taking seriously the idea they need to

emempl employ that sort of thing. i think there's an understanding from all of us at some juncture many of us will have had coronavirus and survived and perhaps there will be anti-body tests to determine we've got antibodies and some resistance and we'll have adequate protection equipment for those of us who have to work. how do we start thinking about how that return to work looks? >> ali, are you talking to me? this is bill shaffner. >> yes. >> i think the way that looks is in a gradual fashion. we'll have to first look at the data just as dr. roy saidit very important we not send people back to work and then have immediately another wave of infection. we must be -- determine what we do by what the virus does.

and we can determine what the virus does if we all engage in social distancing. we don't want the virus to get from one person to another, so we must keep ourselves separate. and yesterday the cdc gave us additional information in addition to staying home, going out only occasionally, washing our hands, we're all out to be using face protection at the same time. i actually went to the supermarket this morning, i had my own face protection on and i was a little disappointed there wasn't a big sign outside the supermarket that said customers, we would appreciate you all wearing face protection in order to protect not only yourselves but the good people who serve you in this store. i think we all need to do that. >> as a doctor, you understand that the confusion here is that the cdc says we should, there are still some governors who aren't sure, the president

himself says he not going to wear one. part of this is the inconsistency in the messaging about wearing face protection. >> you've just broken up. i'm afraid i can't hear you. >> no problem. let me ask that question to dr. roy. same issue. the president said himself right next to the cdc saying you should wear face protection, he said i don't want to be meeting dictators, he actually used that term in the oval office at the resolute desk with face mask on. i don't know why dictators came to his mind first. but the fact is there is an inconsistency around the messaging like that. if people like you and public health professionals said protect other people, wear the face macsks, we'd all wear face

masks. >> the doctor used the word data. i get the mixed message. the health professionals are truly looking at the data. we're dealing with a novel virus. we're truly getting realtime data, was in, whatever the science is showing and we are then sharing that back. so the information, i wouldn't say it's conflicts, it's evolving. right? remember there was a time when we said, ah, it's okay, you can stay home, you can still go out and now we're saying, no, do try to stay home. regarding the masks or face coverings, we're not even saying masks, we're saying just cover your face because new data is now showing that maybe even talking can transmit the virus, whereas before data showed it was only sneezing or coughing which transmitted the virus. so again, it's about applying, learning the data as ear going along and then disseminating that to the public to keep everyone as safe as possible.

>> bill shafe er schaffner, can me now? >> yes, i can hear you now. >> how safe is it to go to hospitals for people who are sick? there are normal reasons people go to the hospitals too. what should people be thinking about? >> i think hospitals are being very, very meticulous. you can't get into our medical center without having your temperature taken. we're limiting visitors. we're being very, very rigorous about that in order to protect our patients and to protect our health care workers. and of course we have at the moment in nashville enough but just enough personal protective quilt. we're already concerned about what may happen next week and the week after when we expect to get many, many more patients. >> dr. roy, the governor of new jersey has decided he's going to

lower the flags to half staff to honor the coronavirus deaths. part of the issue here is there are people losing their loved ones either to coronavirus or because they can't get to them in a hospital white house being next to them. there are funerals that are not able to go forward in the normal fashion. people are being buried on their own. this is a whole different thing that we're not dealing with as a society that has not culturally entirely come to terms with death, this is now another element of this that people have to deal with. >> i mean, i can't believe we're having these conversations in the united states of america in 2020. this isn't the 1800s. it's really unfortunate. yeah, you know, end-of-life care, these are conversations -- earlier this morning you and i were talking about thinking two, three, four steps ahead. we really need to start thinking about how we're going to have conversations with our loved

ones about end-of-life care, about advanced planning and writing wills. a young 28-year-old doctor, resident physician saying she just wrote up her will. we need to start having these conversations. here in the west we're not as accustomed to talking about death, even though it's a natural part of life. though the fact that a pandemic is causing these discussions now, it's not ideal, but at the same time, this is something that we really all need to be talking about. and the palliative care profession, they don't withdraw care, it may be treatment but never care. and care is offered by many different ways, managing pain, agitation, cough and all these other symptoms. so, yeah, we need to start

having these conversations because people are dying in droves and it's unfortunate. but we got to act. >> dr. roy, dr. schaffner, thank you and thank you both for what you do. >> more than 150 sailors on this vessel have tested positive. i'll be speaking with david shulkin next. with david shulkin next so when it comes to screening for colon cancer, don't wait. because when caught early, it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers... ...even in early stages. tell me more. it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your prescriber if cologuard is right for you. i'm on it. that's a step in the right direction.

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he wrote a letter. the letter was a five-page letter from a cam it aptain and letter was all over the place. that's not appropriate. i don't think that's appropriate. >> it's not appropriate. earlier today the president weighed in on the decision to relief navy captain brett

crozier from his command and he raised alarms about the coronavirus on his ship, the "uss roosevelt." it has a crew of nearly 5,000 sailors. 44% of the crew has been tested for covid-19. so far there are 155 positive cases. more than 1,500 sailors have been moved to shore. joining me, dr. david shulkin, secretary of affairs under the president trump administration, and former ceo of beth israel hospital. this captain crozier was looking

after the interest of his seamen and he was fired for that. they've given a false excuse that it wasn't chain of command and he got removed for that. >> these are clearly extraordinary times. we're seeing heroic acts everywhere with health care workers just like in the military. and i believe leaders deserve and have a responsibility to protect those that serve. and captain crozier had at the time 138 sailors that were infected, many others at risk and they needed to be protected. doing that i think the captain, i'm not exactly sure what step he's took before he went outside the chain of command, but what i do know is that he stood up for what he believed in, he stood up for his principles and that's the type of person i want in command of a ship like this, the person who is willing to put their job on the line to stand up for what they believe is right. and, frankly, that person deserves our gratitude and our

respect. and, frankly, just look at the reaction that his crew gave him on his sendoff. in my mind -- >> let's actually just play that. in case our viewers haven't seen it, that changes your view for a moment about the world being a good place. let's just play what the sailors on that ship did as captain crozier exited the ship. [ chanting "captain crozier" ] >> that's pretty incredible. >> in my mind, that speaks very loudly. there is no greater affirmation of a good leader than having the gratitude and respect of the people that you serve. and you can see the way that they felt about him. and that's the type of captain that we want leading our troops.

people that the troops believe in, the sailors believe in and, you know, this is a person who really has served their country and was doing what they believe was the best thing, even if they knew it would cost him his job. >> let's talk about another thing that happened late last night, david. the inspector general for the intelligence community was relieved of his job by the president of the united states. the president said he has lost faith in him. there was no allegation of any wrong doing the assumption here is that this is the person who brought to congress's attention to adam schiff's attention as the head of the intelligence committee in congress the fact that there was a complaint about this whistle-blower, the ukraine situation, and that the white house wasn't handling it properly. for that, for doing what many people believe was his job, he's now been relieved of his job. >> well, it certainly isn't easy to be in washington these days,

to stand up for your beliefs, you have to be willing to put your job on the line. and that's part of what goes with public service. but we are seeing a clear pattern that's repeated time and time again of people who are brave and stand up and do what they think is right, don't necessarily last very long in washington these days. and it is increasingly hard to be in public service. and at times of crisis like this, we see how important it is that we have people who are experienced and competent leading at the top levels of government because we as citizens rely on these people. and it's a really tough job right now. >> tell us what you're hearing, sir, from the medical community about the state of the pandemic. you were in charge of two hospital systems, one in new york city and one outside of new york city and new jersey. what are you hearing about the state of testing, the state of

staffing, the state of supplies? >> well, it still is difficult to get tests. while there are increasingly more tests available, many people still aren't able to get test when is they should be getting them. but the critical issue remains shortages of staff and increasingly we see more and more health care workers getting sick and, frankly, not having the type of protective equipment that they need. and, you know, we just need to do more. you know, if we talk about this being a war and we have a wartime president, we need a surge. we need to see people around the country who aren't using ventilators and protective equipment to send them to the places that need them like new york, new jersey, new orleans. the fact that we're getting ventilators from china rather than from different parts of the united states is really almost unbelievable to me. this is the time that we need to

show those parts of the country that we are a single country, that we can help and protect our fellow citizens. i'm hearing desperation out of my colleagues in new york, and we really need to see a bigger, broader reaction than what we've been seeing. >> former secretary of the department of veterans affairs, david shulkin, thank you for joining us as always, sir. stay safe. we'll talk again soon. >> coming up, late on friday night amid this global pandemic, the president announced he is removing the intelligence watch dog who triggered the chain of events that led to his impeachment. we'll talk about that on the other side. you're watching msnbc. it's the next one. you always drive this slow? how did you make someone i love? that must be why you're always so late. i do not speed. and that's saving me cash with drivewise. [mayhem] you always drive like an old lady? [tina] you're an old lady. then you might have a dcondition called dry mouth.? biotène is clinically proven to soothe and moisturize a dry mouth.

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i thought he did a terrible job, absolutely terrible. he took a whistle-blower report which turned out to be a fake report, it was fake. it was totally wrong. it was about my conversation with the president of ukraine. he took a fake report and he brought it to congress.

with an emergency, okay? not a big trump fan, that i can tell you. that man is a disgrace. >> that was president trump earlier talking about his decision to remove the intelligence community's chief watch dog michael atkinson. he was responsible for flagging the ukraine whistle-blower complaint which eventually led to the president's impeachment. joining me is yamiche alcindor and frank, msnbc national security analyst. he said it was a fake report, he said he was not a big trump fan but there was no allegation of wrong doing against this inspector general for the intelligence community. >> that's right. what we saw was the president lash out at michael atkinson for effectively doing his job. he said he was a terrible person

and he should not have elevated this whistle-blower complaint. but the president didn't say what the i.g. did wrong in terms of his actual duties. the president said he didn't great with the fact that he should have been impeached and he said he thought it was a perfect call from ukraine when we all know that the president was at least attempting to get ukraine to look into joe biden, a political opponent and look into whether or not there were any allegations of wrong doing there. >> frank, what's your take on this? >> yeah. so first let's call this what it is. during a press conference today, a national crisis, the president of the united states just lied to us. this whistle-blower complaint was not a fake whistle-blower complaint. the facts were borne out in the impeachment hearings and the president was impeached in part as a result of this very valid whistle-blower complaint. but i'm going to go a step further here, ali. based on what i've talked about

even on your shows, on this network and written about on nbc think, from my experience in the intelligence community, we know that intelligence community reporting was pressing the issue of a global pandemic, even as corona broke out in china. intelligence agencies were telling the president, it's coming, prepare. and there are whistle-blower complaints likely in the pipeline saying we briefed the white house on this date and time, on this date and time about pandemic preparedness and about coronavirus. we are probably looking at the president trying to suppress what's coming forward in the whistle-blower pipeline. >> yamiche, what do you make of timing? i was on air when this happened, at 10 p.m. eastern time when most of the country is concerned

about coronavirus, we had those remarkable unemployment numbers out yesterday, massive problems with the governor getting its small business loans out. it was a busy, busy day in which everybody's minds were elsewhere and the president did this at 10:00 at night. >> that's right. and the president also is doing this at the beginning of what the president says is going to be possibly the worst two weeks of the coronavirus outbreak in the united states. so the president is also taking this action at a moment where americans are not only just distracted at times by the other things going ontheir lives, people losing their jobs and dying. the president understands what primetime is and what isn't. the timing i think is intentional. it doesn't mean he was trying to hide it because this is going to be a high-profile thing everyone is talking about and the president didn't shy away from the fact that he did this and defended it.

in some ways, even though the timing is questionable, the president was happy to talk about it today. >> frank, i spoke with adam schiff moments after he got the in us about this last night. he's the chair of the house intel committee. he speaks about accountability. but the bottom line is while the president didn't outline anything that michael atkinson did wrong, it is entirely within the president's purview to remove him from his job. there is some sense that these inspector generals that work across government are meant to be a little bit independent and honestly say what's happening in those departments to ensure our safety. so on one hand the -- there's really nothing to hold the president to account for doing this. however, what does it do to the intelligence community that the person who sees they're doing their job properly has been removed? >> there's a terrible message being sent here. if you're an employee of the intelligence community and you want to bring forward a valid

come planplaint that's not bein addressed by your management, you have to think twice about whether it's ever going to get any time and attention from the i.g. or from the white house. and you saw an extraordinary statement come out from the d.o.j. i.g. horowitz about the firing of the intelligence i.g. and he's coming to bat for atkinson saying, look, this guy was straight up and did his job. you're going to see an outcry from those who are simply trying to do the right thing and protect the american people. >> yamiche, i just want to ask you, the president continues to talk about hydroxychloroquine as a potential remedy for coronavirus, and fauci continues to sort of downplay this to say -- i don't know whether fauchi wants him to not talk about it or wants to say this is incorrect information, but he keeps sort of saying this is not what the president seem to be implying it is.

>> well, we have to be very clear. there are no fda approved treatments for coronavirus and there are trials going on for the anti-malaria drug to see if it has an impact on the coronavirus. what the president did today was essentially urge americans all over the country to take a drug that has not been tested and the president went further to say that i might take it myself. the president has said he was tested twice for the coronavirus and has tested negative for both times but for some reason the president was saying maybe he would take this drug as a way of possibly preventing it. health officials say you shouldn't be taking this if it's not something that is approved by your doctor. the president is out there putting out this information that could be misleading and possibly even dangerous. >> thank you to the both of you for your work. yamiche alcindor and, frank,

thanks to both of you. the president as response to the pandemic has brought a lot of critics. we'll be right back.

the fears of the shortages have led to inflated requests. we have some states and areas where they're just asking for far more. we had one state asking for

40,000 ventilators. 40,000. think of it. 40,000. it's not possible. >> he's talking about new york state, by the way. president trump speaking today on what he calls inflated requests for supplies amid the global pandemic. joining me is the commander of joint task force katrina. general, you and i, must have been a month ago you and i spoke and the president had just finished saying and the johnson has got his mask there. the president had just said the federal government is not a shipping organization. that's not our job. and one of the points you made and one of the points every american saw in 2005 when they saw you in louisiana is that the one thing that the federal government and the military in this country can do is logistics and this is becoming a massive logistics nightmare. >> yeah. and you know with all the electronics we got now, tracking

of the supply chain, you would think if we really had stuff on the way, we would see the numbers. we go through an hour's brief every day but very few facts other than maybe one or two numbers coming out but it would be very easy to give the doctors and those in the hospital some kind of confidence to show what's in the supply chain or even put it on an online streaming when you check it on the fema web site. none of that is being done. it's all being done on fate. the bottom line is it was working it would be okay to do something different. but it's not working. dale lich ily we see doctors an coming off shifts protesting because they don't have what they adequately need to protect themselves and their patients. it's not working. we don't have much time. if this is the big week, then i would hope that tomorrow then we'll start off with a fema update to the american people to

really see because we should be knowing by tail number now what aircraft involved from china or turkey, wherever they're buying this stuff and where is it going? i think people confidence on the ground so they can continue to do their work. >> but there's two problems, general. there's that problem about being able to track it and trace it and something we should be able to do in 2020, but there's also this problem in these briefings, we get contradictory information. the president says it's not possible a state could want 40 ventilator. if new york wanted the 40,000, someone can say it's valid or not valid but they should have data on which to think it. you've got jared kushner saying they just don't need these things. on what basis? you are a guy who deployed your troops on the basis of data and a needs analysis. that doesn't seem to be happening. there seems to be a lot of opinion about what people need and don't need.

>> yeah. when we deployed over 220 helicopters in new orleans, the army, department of defense or white house didn't tell us we didn't need that many hospitals or that many ships. they sent it because they saw the need. one of the principles of logistics, ali, is anticipation. and we failed to anticipate. that's why our stocks went low. now we've got the problem with how do we get the critical supplies to where they need them. now this is right now, my hat's off to all the doctors and people who are trying to fix this, but we're not getting the results on the ground and this is the critical week. it's time to straighten up with the american people and let them know what's coming and start finding solutions reich governor cuomo and the governor in oregon and start cross leveling supplies because i don't think they're coming in. >> which, again, is something that the military can do. andrew cuomo, the governor of new york said that.

he said every state shouldn't have the maximum number of ventilators it needs a the all times, we should be able to move it out. new york will hit its peak before iowa does and utah does. we should depend on the national guard and military to say let's mobilize, let's get these out to new york, let's figure out where the hot spots are, we have a map of the hot spots around the country, get them to where we need them. we don't need 100% of all the ventilators we'll ever need all at once. >> absolutely. we talked about this a couple weeks ago. it's called days of supply. we've never gotten that count or seen anything that is accuratea solution would be to put two national guard soldiers in every hospital and go in and count what's there and figure out the days of supply so could you cross level. they're going to have to make some decisions and do some cross leveling, more than just

volunteering like oregon did. we're going to have to get some cross leveling between hospitals to be able to take care of new york, then deal with new orleans. because the demand, based on the governor of both states is going to be higher than what the federal government say they have on hand now. >> looking at that hot spot right now, you see the northeast, you see new orleans, you see chicago, detroit, hot spots in seattle, southern california and you start to see them in other parts of the country. general, there are days i go to sleep thinking i had a feeling when i first saw you in 2005 taking over joint task force could tre katrina and i felt like someone's on the case and it's getting done. a lot of people missing that feeling there was a captain relieved of his command because he drew to the attention of his superiors that there is a coronavirus vooutbreak endangerg his sailors. i want to play for my viewers the response that his sailors gave him as he exited that ship,

the "theodore roosevelt" for the last time. [ cheers and applause ] [ chanting captain crozier ] >> that gave me a moment of hope, knowing that the people who are keeping us safe still know the world is the right side up. >> absolutely, our great navy. if you've ef bever been on a car to see what they do, that is a supreme sacrifice for the short quarters they have to live in. the sendoff they did is the ultimate respect. that captain did something many in washington never have to do, make a decision between the mission or the men.

and as he vie haolated his miss he looked out for his men so his mission could still be accomplished. he made a decision many in uniform and in washington never had to do and he put the sacrifice of his men first and i hope the united states of america recognizes that. the good news is the next captain of that ship is on that ship. the navy got a great process. the next person that's going to command it is on that cruise. that crew, i wish them well. they're going to get this done. go "roosevelt," can you do this. and follow the new captain. >> lieutenant, please stay out there. i know you're tweeting a lot. please stay out there, the nation needs you, too. up next, the coronavirus pandemic has hit all americans hard but some americans harder than others. we're going to take a look at

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targeting the least among us in a way in a others of us can handle it. >> that's exactly vulnerability that's brought on by the coronavirus. but going forward, we can make sure we have more resilient communities than are economically and physically secure and there's a set of policies that we can implement to ensure that. >> i want to just quote from "the new york times" where it shows location data of those staying home during the coronavirus. it says although people in all income groups are moving less than they did before the crisis, wealthiest people are staying home the most.

in nearly every stay they, meaning wealthier people, started doing it days ahead of the poor started social distancing i look out my window in manhattan, there are still people on the streets. there are people delivering things, doormen, people staffing the shops. in many people these are people who are not able economically to make the choice not to do so. >> 100%, ali. this gets to the crux of the issue. as derek says, over the past half century, we have made a series of decisions that have made our economy uniquely susceptible to this kind of economic crisis that's based on a health crisis. we created these fragilities because of inequality. folks that have professional jobs, that can telecommute, they were able to able to stay home, get on zoom calls, get on video calls, keep getting paid. yet so many workers who have

face-to-face contact, workers in child care sectors, home health aides, wait staff, who are among the lowest paid, are also the ones whose jobs have been hit the hardest. we found out of folks that had lost their jobs as of the middle of march, so a few weeks ago, eight out of ten jobs lost was in a low-wage industry. so this really is playing out across our society and we know that many of those workers, even if they are at work, don't have access to paid sick days or high-quality health care or health insurance and these fragilities are amfully plplify into a crisis in ways we're going to be feeling for decades to come. i want to underscore one thing that derek said, which is that we have in our power to create an economy that's more resilient but it starts by addressing these fragilities that are created by economic inequality.

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