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first up here on msnbc, bracing for the toughest week. the expectations for what lies ahead in the coronavirus epicenter. we'll hear from an emergency room doctor. >> we're somewhere in the seven-day range. >> they look fine sometimes, but then you look at their vital signs and they don't look fine. help and hope -- ventilators coming from far away for new york city, but will it be enough? crackdown at the beach. more signs in states that social distancing is being taken seriously. plus, palm sunday at the vatican. the message to the faithful in the midst of a crisis. good morning, everyone, it is sunday, april 5th. i'm alex witt and welcome, everyone. if you're celebrating palm sunday isolated and at home, do enjoy and take care of yourselves. we begin with breaking news on
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the coronavirus pandemic as this morning there are more than 309,000 cases of coronavirus here in the u.s. over 8,000 people have died. the president and the white house task force have a stark warning about this week ahead. >> this will be probably the toughest week between this week and next week and there will be a lot of death, unfortunately. every decision we're making is made to save lives. it's really our sole consideration. we want to save lives. we want as few lives lost as possible. >> meanwhile, china donated 1,000 ventilators to new york state. governor andrew cuomo also announced oregon is giving new york 140 ventilators. and in miami today healthy passengers onboard that coral princess cruise ship will finally be allowed on land after weeks at sea. at least a dozen passengers and
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crew tested positive for coronavirus. two people onboard died. let's go from there to the white house now. monica alba for us on a sunday morning. we have the president who appears to be making a plea to the states about medical supplies. what's he saying on all that? >> reporter: good morning, alex, the president continues to stress that the federal government is really more of a backup mechanism and he wants the states to be doing more about conveying their requests and being honest about specifics hinting some states are exaggerating their needs and that when it comes to medical supplies though the president has urged them to do their own preparations they are giving higher numbers than what they might actually need when the pandemic hits their state the hardest. take a listen to how he framed it in yesterday's briefing. >> we're working directly with hospitals and existing suppliers and distributors to ensure those with the greatest need are prioritized. areas in the country that are not experiencing large scale
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infections are requesting supplies beyond what their present circumstances require. the fears of the shortages have led to inflated requests. we have some states and areas where they're just asking for -- we had one state asking for 40,000 ventilators. 40,000. think of it. 40,000. it's not possible. >> reporter: the president may have been referring to the state of new york. of course governor andrew cuomo has talked about the need for at least 30,000 ventilators for that state which has been hit so hard. the president mentioned this national stockpile of ventilators is now down to potentially only 10,000 ventilators, so that's where a lot of the concern comes from, and the president said this against a backdrop of his desire to reopen the economy as soon as possible. he kept talking about that familiar phrasing we've heard for weeks now.
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he doesn't want the cure to be worse than the problem itself. all of this as states are bracing, and dr. birx even warned yesterday, that some of the hot spots we might not even know where they are yet, they have yet to pop up, and that is what is stressing so many of the states and the governors here making those requests, alex. >> the president was indeed referring to the state of new york with the request for 40,000 ventilators. the latest numbers show almost 61,000 cases there, almost 13,000 people in the hospital with the virus. some are in field hospitals like this one that has been set up in central park by the religious chari charity. from outside that field hospital, good morning to you. i know officials are talking about the apex. they're saying this week will be a big and difficult week. field hospitals are part of the preparation for that, right? >> reporter: certainly are and they're going to need more beds
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in addition to that. this field hospital right behind us has 68 beds and as far as we understand, alex, 30 patients are being treated for coronavirus here. that includes five patients that are in intensive care. now they have ten intensive care beds here at this field hospital with ten ventilators but already we haven't hit the apex and we have five patients. you can imagine this will fill up very quickly. the governor has estimated when we do hit the peak more than 110,000 beds plus ventilators, plus masks and gloves will be needed. dr. birx weighed in on all of this yesterday. take a listen to what she had to say. >> we, again, applaud the health care workers who are doing every single thing humanly possible to save more lives. and we are ensuring on a ventilator day by day to get them there. we really applaud what oregon did, and we really applaud what
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the governor is doing about moving between the states, the different counties to bring them to new york because that's what's needed today. a different place will be needed tomorrow. >> reporter: it certainly will. this will be moving. new york is dealing with it and governor cuomo, when he found out about oregon's donation, it was not only kind of them but smart because they will be dealing with flattening their own curve possibly in may. so not only do we have the ventilator donation but also the 140 ventilators through oregon and a million surgical masks coming out of china, 100,000 gloves and the national basketball association donating a million surgical masks as well, alex. >> cori, seeing a field hospital behind you is an extraordinary
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thing. in normal times people would be out running, walking their pets, that kind of thing. is anybody around you in central park right now? >> reporter: i see one man walking right now and he's walking his dog. it does appear he's wearing a mask. other than that i haven't seen a soul come through here. it is a very secure area. they're walking the ground making sure the patients are safe as well and we've seen a little bit of traffic. yesterday i took special note who was wearing masks, i would say half the people. >> okay, cori coffin, hard to believe with that hospital behind you. the philadelphia hospitality industry is taking a major hit due to the coronavirus. tens of thousands of workers are filing for unemployment after restaurants, bars, hotels were
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all forced to close until further notice. to mara barrett. this is really hard for the workers across the hotel and restaurant industry. how are they reacting to the shutdowns? >> reporter: yeah, good morning, alex. new york relies on hospitality industry, employing 77,000 people here in the region around philadelphia and, of course, including the border into new jersey as well. the art museum is just behind me. the liberty bell, independence hall all just a few blocks away. the tourists coming from across the country and internationally are not visiting philadelphia right now so 25 hotels have
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closed. lots of travel has been upgraded. philadelphia is an east coast hub. people aren't traveling anymore. we're expecting to see a 50% cut in 2020 overall. philadelphia expects to make that as well. when you're not coming to the airport the restaurants and bars are hit as well. i spoke with a restaurant worker employed up until a couple pewes ago. her health insurance was cut off because of coronavirus and protections at the airport. here is what she told me. >> who knows if i'm even going to be making half decent money when all of this is over. the fact that you take away your
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employees' health insurance during a pandemic, that speaks volumes about how you care about your employees. >> reporter: i reached out to clarify the details but didn't hear back. tina has since had to file for unemployment. she has two children and her husband is out of work right now as well. with that claim she'll be getting about $500 a week. that compares to what she was making as a bartender at the airport. she is one of millions who have filed for unemployment as all of this coronavirus pandemic has spread causing a lot of nonessential businesses and the like to close. unfortunately economists tell me this is just the beginning and we should expect to see an uptick across the rest of the country as well. >> thank you, maura barrett. it has been a life line for
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welcome back, everyone. at 4:15 in the morning there, the san francisco bay bridge, a beautiful sight connecting the san francisco area to the east bay and oakland. there you have it. and you actually see some traffic there early on a sunday morning. there's some new fallout from the firing of an amazon warehouse supervisor. he was fired for organizing a walkout over what employees said were inadequate protections in light of the coronavirus outbreak. amazon says he was fired for violating social distancing rules issuing this statement saying it respects the rights of employees to protest and
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recognizes that right adding they do not provide blanket immunities for those that endanger the health and potentially the lives of colleagues. joining me now is christian smalls, that supervisor fired by amazon. christian, welcome to you on this sunday morning. first of all, talk about the conditions inside the amazon warehouse where you worked and why you organized this walkout? >> the conditions were it wasn't satisfying at all. the cleaning supplies were scarce. the cleaning crew, they were scared as well. they didn't show up to work, some of them. the employees felt unsafe. they still do to this day. and the conditions were just scary at the time. a scary situation to work in. >> so when you say they were scary, describe them. were you working too closely together? did you feel -- you said there
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wasn't enough cleaning supplies. were you concerned there were virus in places not cleaned? >> everything we did was reactive. i tried to be proactive in the beginning of march. it was too late. the virus was already in the building. we already had confirmed cases in the middle of march. the company wasn't transparent about how many cases we got. who had the virus. it's difficult to work in that time of environment and be six feet apart. you have to operate. >> i can say sometimes when i walk in it smells like a clorox factory. did you ever have that experience in amazon? >> no, not at all. it was business as usual. we were very reactive and late to the game when it came to being dlen and doing a better job now but everything is reactive now. they're doing band-aid work. >> amazon says the company made
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changes to 150 processes and the most visible they've added temperature checks, hand sanitizers, wipes, implemented social distancing while at work. do you think things are better? have you heard from your former colleagues whether or not these things have been put into place? >> they may be doing the effort right now but, guess what, it's too late. employees are already frightened, still frightened, not showing up for work. the temperature taking thing doesn't really do anything. now they're sending associates home with no pay. a couple cases that we had they didn't even have fevers. this virus attacks people in different ways. >> so the company has been forced to react to a leaked memo
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that outlined how executives plan to smear your character and any public relations fallout from your firing. one executive told cnbc his comments were emotional and added he was frustrated an amazon employee, you, would endanger the health and safety of others. what's your reaction to that? are they talking about the walkout, suggest you were not actually social distancing enough because of a communal walkout? what was that about? >> well, first of all, they have no clue what they're talking about. when were the safety guidelines implemented? where is the transparency? when do employees have a chance to read this policy they so-called put in place for us to read in black and white? i've never seen a thing, never was notified, never warned. i was in the building eight hours a day the entire week. those are the facts. i have no response to that.
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we know who we're working for. >> how about the employees that are still there, have you spoken with them? >> absolutely. >> do they feel because of your actions and raising awareness that things are different inside the amazon warehouse? >> i have employees from all over the world reaching out to me every day with the same issue i raised, put on notice for america and it's disheartening. we have a billion dollar ceo that is really not taking care of his employees. people unpaid. i had a friend who had to sleep in his car five days and doesn't know if he's sick. he can't get a test right now. he can't go home to his children. it's not about me, it never was. it's about the people. it's about the people. i'm here to put that on notice.
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they want to make it about me and they want to smear me, good luck with that. it will be amazon versus the people. >> all right, chris, thank you very much for being bold and speaking with us and raising the alarms. appreciate that. >> no problem. let's go now to the latest numbers across the country. saturday a very grim milestone, the number of deaths in a single day. joining me now someone on the front lines, dr. calvin sun, an emergency room doctor here in new york city. doctor, thank you for what you're doing. let's talk about what you are experiencing firsthand. take us inside the emergency room and show us what you're seeing. >> it depends on what day you're asking me, was it three weeks ago when a crowd were looking for a test none of us had enough of or didn't have yet because we haven't been delivered them and then giving it to one another already starting in the emergency room or two weeks ago
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when we had the tests but didn't have enough because all patients are first come first served. didn't make sense to get tested if you were going to get positive by coming to the emergency room and being exposed. and then last week when the patients came in younger and sicker and people were dying just upstairs when you hear cardiac arrest after cardiac arrest with calls upstairs, all downstairs to the emergency room, people dying in the emergency room because it took too long to get upstairs because the beds were full. and the last couple days i would have patients we would have to rescue from the waiting room because i thought they would die in the waiting room and so many phone calls of family members trying to do face time with their loved ones at end of life because they are too scared to come inside and get the virus themselves and become my next patient the week after. >> dr. sun, when you go through your day, i know you are focused on those patients but is it like you're going through this fog?
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i mean, it has to be just extraordinary this whole permeation of coronavirus around you, everywhere you are. >> i have said to patients who come in and look well and may not have it yet, we don't have enough tests. number two, you want to be positive, stay in the emergency room and inhale that air for five minutes. guarantee you're positive. it's everywhere. hospitals have 90% positive cases. >> dr. sun, what if somebody is in a car accident or someone breaks a leg or someone needs an emergency appendectomy. i thought now you don't want to go to the hospital, right, for fear of contracting coronavirus. talk about that and how you're dealing with people who come in for non-coronavirus issues. >> i think some people are afraid of coming to the hospital even before coronavirus and covid-19 because of various factors and now this, hospitals and emergency rooms are hot
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spots for exposure so it is scary. car accidents, if you're brought in by ems, it's understandable you would go straight to the emergency room. i've had patients crying, please don't take me. i don't want the virus, but they can't help it. the nursing home has sent them there to what i think is certain doom because they are going to catch it. plenty of people had ankle sprains who come in then go straight home by car, self-quarantine and come back a week later with fever and cough and swear to god they were nowhere except the emergency room. >> that's everybody's worst nightmare for sure to go on top of all the other nightmares that are out there. we've heard the president say, doctor, this week may be the toughest one yet. governor cuomo in new york says the apex is coming in the next seven days or so. can you envision what you expect to see in the next couple of weeks? >> every day has been an apex for us. if you're in the trenches and
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this close to a painting and you just see the trauma we see every day, to us it feels like every day is worse than the last and might as well be the apex because we can't function in an emergency room where my own colleagues are getting sick, are hospitalized or getting ill. and not only that i don't want to say everything is doom and gloom. hospitals are stepping up but we're setting up field tents, they're becoming fully operational so that does take a load off in the emergency room. hospital systems to transfer patients out, spreading it out. there have been volunteers coming in. surgeons have come in and they've been amazing. we've been meeting the challenges and rising to the occasion but the next day there's another challenge. only so much before we finally crash and that's what i'm worried about.
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>> dr. sun, talk about you and how many hours you're working every day and when you leave the hospital how do you decompress? >> you just mentioned earlier about a blur. i have lost count already how many hospitals i worked in. how many shifts i've done and how many patients i've seen. it's all a blur in how i move through a shift. i can't tell if it was yesterday or four days before, if it was worse or sooner. and that's the factor that i can count on, was it worse than the day before? and then when i come home to decompress it's hard to because when you come home you're constantly afraid you're carrying a virus on you. i come home, i can't just sit on the couch and just take it easy and relax. i have to take off everything. i have to put it in a bag, make sure it doesn't get inside, spray down everything. i have to throw everything in
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the laundry. i have to change and i forgot about my hair, i need to shower my hair and everything. after maybe 30, 40 minutes, i'm working at home pretty much before i can finally maybe think about something is wrong but it's not over yet because what if i actually got it and none of that mattered and the next morning i wake up feeling like i have a fever, but i don't. it's like a ptsd, like a soldier, have i been shot? so far i'm okay but that's no way to live. >> no, no. and a lot of people are experiencing that, i have a cough or i don't feel quite well. all those descriptions you just gave what you do when you come home, that seems to probably be exponentially greater than what the average person does. are you doing that because you know that you've been exposed on various levels? yes, you have your ppe but you have been exposed, you've been around coronavirus knowingly so, or is that the kind of thing everybody should be doing? should we be taking off our clothes when we come back inside
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the home, put them in a bag, seal them, take your shower, spray everything, how extreme does it need to be for the average person, do you think? >> i do think that if you're going to take a risk and not staying home and actually go outside and get exposed, the risk of exposure, let's say the person that has coronavirus or covid-19 sneezed outside your front door. it can survive in the air up to three hours especially in close spaces. if someone was walking through your foyer and you walked through it two hours later, you are at a chance of exposure. going into the grocery store you're not 100% aware of anything not in front of you. so who knows if somebody touched your jacket or coughed in the area. the best thing is to make sure you don't take any risks and disinfect and clean up every time. is that really the way to live, constantly stressed out all the
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time. for myself i have my own personal protective equipment i have to rely on with family donations i'm grateful for but these are all potential vectors of transmission. endemic for coronavirus. you come to the emergency room you are probably automatically get it if you stay four or five minutes long enough. i'm wafting through this air of people sneezing and coughing. it's not like i'm spraying the air with lysol or alcohol. most likely it's all over my clothes let alone our break rooms. everyone says social distancing and our break room we can take off our masks to eat. but break rooms are small. our workstations are small. patients are packed in one foot away from us. i had to eat my lunch outside where i put my plate on top of a pole in order to give my work
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buddies in the work room enough room to be three feet apart, which should be six feet. >> dr. calvin sun, you are brave and a hero. on behalf of everybody who passes through your emergency room, we are grateful. thank you for explaining it all to us so cogently and do take care of yourself. thank you, sir. a viral video that is a sign of the times, a doctor explains how to clean and store your groceries after coming home from the store. you'll hear from him next. and tonight on msnbc an incredible documentary from sky news in london. it is powerful. sky news special correspondent stuart ramsay takes a comprehensive look at the devastating impact of coronavirus on the people of the hardest hit city in the hardest hit country in the world, bergamo, italy. sky news gets amazing access in emergency wards and intensive care units. hear the critical warning those on the front lines want the rest of the world to heed. watch special report coronavirus
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to the latest on the coronavirus pandemic as new numbers show total confirmed cases now surpassing 300,000 here in the u.s. and more than 8,000 people have died. in the uk queen elizabeth will deliver a rare and historic address as confirmed cases there surpass 40,000. the 93-year-old queen will address the nation's response recognize those suffering and thank frontline workers. tonight's address to the nation will be the fourth of her nearly seven decade reign. in the u.s. people in arizona are under a stay at home order but can still hit the links. the governor's order deemed golf courses across the state as essential businesses. mayors of five different cities slammed that decision. golf courses say they're taking measures to keep golfers safe and equipment clean.
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in california some beachgoers are getting cited for violating that state's stay at home order. sheriff's deputies are ticketing people gathering on beaches. they issued more than 20 citations on friday and the penalty is up to $1,000 fine or six months in jail. some residents say they understand the crackdown. >> fantastic for the police department. if the people themselves can't abide, it's great. >> as much as i hate to see that happen, and i really do. we run the beach and use it all the time. i do think it's probably the prudent move at the moment. >> for the good of all these are instructions. as a community working together we'll beat this. it will be better than ever. it will be good times coming but just hang in there. >> and a look at the front pages of major newspapers. "the new york times" lead story 430 flew to the u.s. the analysis since the first case was announced there.
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the "washington post" leads with 70 days of denial, delays and dysfunction a look at political and institutional failures from the white house to the cdc. the "los angeles times" leads with a fraud investigation around the purchase of masks. and the dallas morning news says the crisis brings echoes of 9/11. from there now to rome where the outbreak is forcing the vatican to make changes to holy week traditions, this morning pope francis hosted a palm sunday ceremony alone without the usual tens of thousands of worshippers. we have foreign correspondent matt bradley at the vatican for us. as we say good morning to you on this palm sunday, what was that ceremony like, with the pictures you've provided from inside for us, you see some palm plants and that's about it. >> reporter: it was the pope alone, essentially alone. there were other officials there. this would be packed with people
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carrying olive branches but now we only have some officers here handing out olive branches from the trunks of their police cruisers to the journalists gathered here. normally this would have been packed. in terms of the substance the mass was basically exactly the same. pope francis blessed them. but there was no one there and that was chilling. that's what we've been seeing over and over again from here in the vatican as this institution confronts the coronavirus there were about seven people within the vatican community infected. the pope has been tested but tested negative. he is very old and within the realm of the age group that would be at high risk. that doesn't mean this entire institution isn't creeking under this burden. we've actually been seeing their efforts to distribute food to
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the poor, the homeless here in rome. that's difficult to do indoors when these homeless don't have any access. this whole country has turned the corner seeing for the first time the leveling off of the new infections and deaths, a positive sign something the u.s. can look forward to. >> let me applaud you for being in italy throughout all of this and bringing us important news. appreciate you and glad you're staying safe and taking care of yourself. in the u.s. people cannot avoid grocery stores. a new viral video is of a michigan doctor showing us how to sanitize the groceries you bring into your home. let's look at that. >> now this side of the table is my clean side. and we're going to consider the other side of the table as a
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dirty side where we're going to put our groceries. because i know that human hands have touched this medication bottle in less than 72 hours i will wipe that down and place it on the clean side. >> it's a heck of a video. joining me is the doctor. what made you want to create this video? >> well, it was march 23rd and our governor was likely going to issue the stay at home stay safe order the following day. i talked to my son who is 16. we put our heads together about how to get the message out. while people were being told that they needed to stay home, the fact of the matter is we need to eat to live. i sensed an urgency to get the word out. that was 12 days ago. the video wasn't perfect, but it got the message out early and i
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think that was of critical importance. and it sparked a fire. it got people talking from microbiology to food science to the government and for that i'm grateful. i feel we have consensus and great ideas. some of the great ideas were from regular people who put their heads together and thought about how they could make things. >> gave real good thought there. when i said this went viral, how viral are we talking about? how many millions have seen this video? >> millions. the metaphor of viral is just so strange to me these days. >> right? there's an irony in that. >> and the most important thing in the video is not about cleaning groceries but about staying home and not going out unless you absolutely must and sending younger members of your family to the grocery store and
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plan to decrease your time in the grocery store. >> doctor, but you have to go to the grocery store. many people do. i know, for example, my son went to the grocery store yesterday for my mother, so what does my son -- what does anybody else need to do while inside the grocery store picking up things you need? >> well, we shouldn't loiter, we shouldn't browse and we shouldn't pick up labels and read them and put things back. we should be on alert when we go to the grocery store that you can contract coronavirus there and i think the mask declaration from the centers for disease control was great. it's going to decrease the risk that those respiratory droplets will get on the groceries. bravo. i love the video that our certain general did on friday night. it was a great way to reach the people. >> okay. real quickly, disinfectants, as
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you know, you can go to the grocery store and not see any of them if you're looking to purchase them. any advice if you can't get a disinfectant? >> simple. go to the centers for control disease website. they have a great website that goes through all the options and in truth this virus is very sensitive to soap and desanitizer. >> okay. dr. jeffrey vanwingen, thank you. we appreciate the video. i know a lot of people will be watching it after seeing you on with us. do take care. >> thank you. because of this pandemic so many people are suddenly using zoom, even schools use it for teaching school at home. can zoom be trusted? at papa john's, we want you to know that from our 450-degree oven, to box, to you, it's our policy that your pizza is never touched once it comes out of the oven. and we're taking extra steps, like no contact delivery, to ensure it.
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a new apology from the ceo of videoconference platform zoom acknowledging the application's lack of security measures telling "the wall street journal" he, quote, really messed up. now 27 attorney general offices are raising questions about its privacy and security and joining me now is sibile marcellus. up to 200 million users now. you have the ceo apologizing saying he really messed up. you have new york city schools saying we are not going to use this program to try to teach our students as they are quarantined and staying away from the buildings and the like.
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so what is going to happen? what happened here and can you offer an alternative? is there another service that might be used instead of zoom if people are worried about the zoom bombing, i guess, where people can break in as you're chooting and show all sorts of things. exactly, zoom bombing is a huge concern especially for schools. that's why they're veering away and it is a new phenomenon where you have hackers who don't have permission to bombard it with pornography images or hate speech. the fbi has issued a warning about this. there are reportedly 27 attorneys general who are also looking into this. there are other alternative platforms they can use. there's microsoft skype and google's hangout. there are other alternatives for users. in terms of zoom, it was one of 2019's biggest ipos. we've seen the stock market
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plunge, their shares have been up. they have to deal with the safety, trust and privacy issues. >> that was short and sweet. finding treatments for coro how long until we see results? i'll ask a doctor involved next. i wanted them to know that innovation is not just about that one 'a-ha' moment. science is a process. it takes time, dedication. it's a journey. we're constantly asking ourselves, 'how can we do things better and better?' what we make has to work. we strive to protect you. at 3m, we're in pursuit of solutions that make people's lives better. won't be a new thing. and it won't be their first experience with social distancing.
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♪ let's go now to the search for coronavirus treatments. doctors in new york are launching a number of clinical trials to identify remedies. those trials are being led by dr. sharon knockman. so we welcome you wholeheartedly. tell us what you will be testing. >> we'll be testing multiple different medications. as you can imagine, we see patients in our hospital that have coronavirus in the sick and are perhaps ready to go home. we have other patients that are being admitted to the hospital
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and then a third group of patients being admitted and unfortunately placed on ventilators so we are trying to develop trials for each of the different populations. one of the first trials that we will be starting this week is the use of a drug under investigation from gilead. this drug will be given to patients already on ventilators with hopes of bringing them off the ventilators. a second trial we hope to roll out also within the next week to two weeks is plasma to patients. this very involved trial will look for patients who have already had the virus, have antibody from the virus, drawing plasma from them and testing it for antibodies and then administering that to patients in the hospital also in our icus. we are looking at other trials using monochlonols.
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and then we have other trials coming down the pipe hopefully also in the next week to two weeks to give to patients in the emergency room who are sick but not yet ready to be admitted in hopes to prevent those admissions. each of these trials is complex. must be approved by our institution review boards and, in fact, explained to patients to get consent. >> so, doctor, all three sound promising. what is your most optimistic expectation for when you might have results? >> so the answer is those trials all require patients to be enrolled. after we have enrolled them and look at each of the individual trials to see how do they do, we weres days the weeks are they working or not. >> doctor, we will be staying tuned to your efforts. thank you and best of luck. >> thank you. thank you for watching. i'll see you again at noon.
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