41 states have issued some form of stay at home order. notably absent are states in the midwest like nebraska and in the south like oklahoma and arkansas. to those hold out governor, u.s. surgeon general is warning that this week could be the hardest yet. >> the next week is going to be our pearl harbor moment. it will be our 9/11 moment. it's going be the hardest moment for many americans in their entire lives. we really need to understand if we want to flatten that curve and get to the other side, every one needs to do their part. >> new york could be seeing a slight plateauing in the death toll from the virus which is now surpassed 4,000 here. >> the number of deaths over the past few days has been dropping for the first time. what is the significance of that? it's too early to tell.

we're looking at this seriously now because by the data, we would be either very near the apex or the apex could be a plateau and we could be on that plateau right now. >> although today is one of the holiest day of the year for christians, palm sunday, churches across the world are empty. in vatican city where pope francis would lead mass outside in front of tens thouof thousan there as a quiet celebration in an empty. queen e hliz an empty. queen e hliabeth has delivered rare address on the coronavirus. her speech was only the fourth time she has given such an unscheduled address since her reign began in 1952. >> while we have faced challenges before, this one is different. this time we join with all nations across the globe in a

common endevour. using the great advances of science and our instinctive compassion to heal. we will succeed and that success will belong to every one of us. we should take comfort that while we may have more still to endure, better days will return. >> let's check in with a couple of our reporters who are braving the outside world to tell us what's happening. msnbc anchor lindsay reiser is in a field hospital in the meadowlands in new jersey. lindsay, the meadowlands has been turned into a field hospital like s we have seen in new york city. tell me what's happening there. >> usually this would be home to maybe a beer expo or a dance competition. inside, there are 250 beds. it's a pop up hospital for

non-covid patients opening up tomorrow. really the energy would be no different other than the fact it's extremely eerie. every now and then you see some national guard members walking through the doors and up those steps. we don't see any right now. inside, 250 beds. think about it like army cots. that's what these beds look like. they are separated with white curtains for prooiivacy. they have temporary shower, a nursing station, a temporary pharmacy inside as well. we know the army corps of engineers and new jersey state police built this out in the last 7 to 8 days to meet the need. the ultimate question will be will this facility see covid patients. we saw what happened in new york city. the governor had to speak with president trump about whether javits center could accept covid patients. they believe it will contain

covid and nonnon-covid patients. this is part of the state's overall attempt. this is one of the hardest hit areas in the country. new jersey has another two medical facilities that will be opening up very soon. governor phil murphy tweeted out they secured 500 more ventilators after close talks. they are beseeching any medical volunteers. they will be putting out an alert soon because they feel this surge in hospital visits is only beginning. >> what is the rate of infection in new jersey right noi and what are the lockdown orders in that state? >> reporter: there is a state wi wide shelter in place. other communities are doing what they can. mayors are banning together to have short rules. some are banning short term rentals because they don't want people flocking to the communities and ravage grocery stores and hospital there is. the state is being rigorous in testing.

there's about 45 testing facilities in the whole state. it's fourth behind states like new york and washington and how much testing they are doing per capi capita. you see a high rate of infection. you see right now they have about 375,000 case,500 cases. the numbers are rising quickly. they're doing a lot of testing here. >> lindsay, thank you very much in new jersey. unfortunately, our reporter, his camera shot has gone down. we'll try to get to vaughn again. he is in arizona where there's a stay at home order. golf courses are considered essential so those are still open. we'll try to get to him later. the federal response of the coronavirus crisis continues to be a major story.

both of you, thank you so much. dr. patel. we heard the surgeon general say this week is going to be really hard. it's going to be like 9/11 or pearl harbor. what does that look like for communities beyond new york? new yorkers know what it's like. we have been dealing with it now for over a week. tell everybody else. >> yes, i've been in touch with fellow physicians across the country to try to just understand exactly what is happening. what every one is bracing for. are those increasing numbers of cases and hospitalizations, including icu stays. you see in every community kind of a level of anxiety not just among health care professionals but also police, essential businesses and every one because we know that while new york city was kind of our first look into what's happening across the country. over not just the next week but the next several weeks we'll be

seeing these surges. we're going to be seeing people who are desperate to get out of hospitals and people who will not leave the hospital because they will die from this. >> dr. patel, i've been talking to doctors and nurses and health care professionals every single day and i've not heard from one person who told me they have enough personal protective equipment. what are you hearing and where do our hospitals stand with their ability to make sure the doctors and nurses, the ones treetsi ing treats them patients are kept safe? >> absolutely. >> this is not hospitals trying to deny the materials to health care workers and hoarding them or even this insinuation that these are sitting in the back of a hospital somewhere. the truth is that there's never anybody, including myself, who could have conceived we would have this many patients who require us to change out our protective gear each time we see

a patient. nobody, really, only usually in most cases are the icu staff able to do what they are need to do from a safety perspective. the rest of us are reusing equipment and trying to fashion in emergency rooms and other hospital floors around the country people are talking about and videos to share how we can use plastic film to do in intubations and plexi glass to do patient evaluations. when you hear the president say we have millions of masks and millions of supplies, it's just not getting to the people that are actually using it. >> robert, why is the president still saying that they are doing everything right? that everybody is getting what they need. he said he hasn't heard about problems with testing. we know people cannot easily get tests. i spoke to someone this morning

who said they believe they are sick. they are in a hospital. they can't get a test. he's talking about personal protective equipment and r respirators and claiming hospitals are hoarding them and asking for too much. what is the message being sent to the president? is he being told that everybody is fine or is he just not listening to those who are saying it's not? >> based on my conversations in recent days with governors of both parties, with top officials in congress, the message coming out of this white house, in their eye, is confusion. my colleague and i wrote about this for the washington post. that president trump at a moment when his entire presidency is being tested is sending confusing signals to many of these governors on the front lines. that's why you see people like governor cuomo of new york and others turn to private interests, to other nations, in fact to try to get the

ventilators and other supplies they need for their states. there's a concern about the federal stockpile. what is actually in it in terms of ventilators and other supplies? where can they get material and states also still feel like, just over this weekend, they are competing against each other and not really sure if the hot spots that are emerging whether it's detroit or new orleans will have the materials they need in the coming weeks as they approach a new york type situation in their respective areas. >> you say it's bipartisan. just this morning the governor of arizona -- i'm sorry the governor of arkansas was saying that it's literally a global junk jungle that we're kpeecompeting now. i'd like to see a better way. governor jay inslee of washington was on and both are pleading with the president of the united states to take is

control of the supply chain so the states get what they need so they don't have to compete on the private market. we heard the man in charge of making sure the materials that come into the united states are sent out. he defending the process of giving them to the private sector and allow the states to bid on them alongside the federal government. is there any discussion about whether or not that process might be changed in the coming days? >> there's a lot of debate inside the west wing. you have peter navarro who is coordinating the interactions with corporate america as the administration leans into the defense production act to try to get companies to produce supplies but it doesn't formally invoke it in every sense. they are not forcing companies at every turn to produce certain supplies by a certain date. the president said he does not want to nationalize industry. you have also jared kushner who

is a liasion working alongside navarro. a lot of ceos are saying they are confused about the chain of command if they want to help the federal government out. it's this theme of confusion as tragedy approaches in many places that continues to be the story on the political side. >> it's a reallynot get whting what they need. we have heard the mercy and comfort, both ships might be open to covid patients. let's bring in vaughn. we're talking about governors and getting the message to the president that they want him to take charge of the supply chain

and make sure that everybody is getting what they need so they don't have to compete with eeac other. what are you hearing in arizona? >> reporter: here in arizona, at least on this golf course here in mid town phoenix, you can see all is par for the course. this is the reality that is setting in. as i heard one man mention this morning just off the green said every morning he pitches. he drives and putts. that's his routine. there's this balance in which people are trying to come to grips with not only for their physical well being but their mental well being. the governor of arizona has deemed golfing here in the state of arizona one of those essential businesses that can stay open. hair salon, barbershops closed at 5:00 p.m. on friday as that list of essential businesses continues to become more restricted here. there's 64 deaths here in the state of arizona to date from covid-19. lindsay as mentioning early on in your show here, the fact that

the meadowlands in new jersey has been set up by the army corps of engineers as one of those field hospitals. that's taking place out here in the west. the army corps of engineers are looking to set up bigger facilities. in arizona, it's not hit as many people as it has in other parts of the the country. that's why you can't to see, including out here on the golf course, a lot of business as usual. i want to let you hear from one of those follow ggolfers. he said he is home from work. he's taking part in zoom meetings. he said he is cloroxing every piece of grocery that come sboos the house and making the argument that golfing is okay and should stay on course. take a listen. >> we're not riding carts. we are walking. good exercise. in this game, you really are keeping far distance from each other. you nowhere near most people. it's helping fund the community in a certain way, i guess.

>> reporter: about every 15 minutes folks are teeing off here. they are not driving a golf cart around. there's also -- in many of these places no flags and there's also no rakes over in the sand traps. the folks contend they are trying their best and they believe this is one way in which they can stay mentally and physically healthy. >> if you're sanitizing all of your gear and not touching anything else, i think there's an argument to be made for that. what do you think of keeping something like a golf course open or having these more broadly the stay at home orders not being followed or not being issued for every state in the united states. the governor earlier today said washington may be plateauing. they hope it's plateauing but that doesn't matter if somebody from another state comes in. another state that was not on lockdown that this virus doesn't

respect borders the way it didn't respect international borders. >> if we could stay sealed within our states or find way to do that, i would be all in favor of people going onto a golf course. the fact of the matter is the safest thing we can do right now is to stay at home. it should not be business as usual. it's hurting our economy but when the president says the cure is worse than the problem, when the problem is death, i think that the cure is actually the right thing for the problem. in this case, it is far better to stay at home. mental health, i believe is critical to getting outside but keeping a safe distance and not touching objects that others touch is critical and i would strongly hope that arizonans follow that in next days. >> dr. patel, every one thank you very much and stay safe. the corona stimulus package, how the last bill is turning out

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that's a very big number to wrap your head around. the most immediate number is the $1200 check that supposed to act as a lifeline for those living paycheck to paycheck. that's one piece of a giant economic bail out.getting what and when, let's bring in heather long. it's always great to see you. thanks for joining us. nancy pelosi wants another bill. can we first start with the one that's already passed. when can people expect to see that $1200 check in their bank accounts? >> there's a lot of hope it could start rolling out as soon as april 9th. who will get it first? it's people who have their direct deposit information already on file with the government, with the irs. if you don't have that information already on file, the irs is setting up a website where you'll be able to input your bank information or you can wait for a check to come in the mail. of course, if you're going to

wait for the check in the mail that will take a while. that may not roll out until end of april or may or even later as the government works through all those addresses. they can't send 125 million people who are going to qualify for this a payment on april 9th. we really wish they could but that's not going to happen. >> given that, that's only one piece of a very big puzzle. you have the sba loans that have gotten off to a rocky start with a number of banks saying they weren't ready and had not gotten enough guidance. i haven't spoken to one small business owner who said they have been approved. people are going online to try the apply for those and the websites keep crashing. when can americans expect the government to get handle on the amount of money they are supposed to give out. the amount of money that congress has allotted them.

>> this is the biggest flaw in the economic relief that's going on. the money is not getting out the door fast enough. there's two wkey backbones to this program that is supposed to give relief. we know that already ten million people have lost their job and tried to apply for these unemployment benefits from their state. we fwhknow that many of the 30 million small businesses in this country are telling us they are going to go bank ruprupt if the don't get this money in the next several weeks. we know is a crisis. the two key elements to help people are supposed to be these weekly unemployment checks. the problem is a will the of people can't even apply. i've talked to people like a taxi driver in new york city. he now has coronavirus. he has been calling every day for the past two weeks and is

unable to finish his application. also, the trump administration has not put out the money yet. the labor department has not given states the 260 billion that is supposed to increase those weekly unemployment checks. at the moment they are about $400 a week. they are supposed to be another $600 that would take that weekly check to $1,000. that would go a long way to help people but that money is not out the door yet from the trump administration. on the small business loan side, at the moment, you can apply through your bank. that started on friday. at least that program has started. as you pointed out, many business owners are finding that this praogram supposed to be abe with 500 or few employees. we're finding there's so many regulation and loopholes that are tieing people up from getting the money quickly. >> including people that had a relationship with the bank or a

loan relationship with the bank, a lending relationship with that bank who are able to get it and others who are not. not everybody has that. i'm glad you brought up the taxi driver driver. i think we forget that not everybody has the option of staying home from work. they need the money to feed their family. taxi drivers are a good example of that here in new york city. is there any consideration being given to and i know we have been talking about this. i brought it up a few weeks ago. now it seems like the only solution. a bill freeze from rent to utilities on up. as long as you're not going out and purchasing goods like groceries but a bill freeze from the bottom to the top and a federal injection of money to banks, to municipalitiemunicipa states, to government in order the alleviate the upward flow of money that would not be coming. >> it's a great idea. i have been speaking to hundreds

of laid off people and small business owners in the last three weeks. that is the number one thing i hear when i ask what kind of help do you need. they say what would help me the most is if i didn't have to pay my mortgage, my rent, my car insurance, my car payment. those payments that you're talk about. i will say the other key though is if we just delay those payments, that helps a little bit. you don't have to pay in april or may but that bill will still be due in july or august or december. right now a will the lot of peo money coming in. they are fearful you may give me time but one day that bill is still looming. that's a big economic crisis down the road. >> i wonder about the feasibility of just freezing it and forgiving those months while the economy is on hold. instead of putting a stimulus, a sm loan together or other things they are doing in

these bills. instead of putting the money into the people's pocket, putting it up at the top so that those bills aren't really forgiven. they money has been replaced by the federal government. more on that though at another time. we have run out of a time. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. coming up, how doctors on the front lines are risking their lives to fight covid-19 and how they are handling the crisis in over run new york hospitals. this is your future. stay with us. this is your future. stay with us as a caricature artist,

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breaking news from london. number ten downing street confirms reports that prime minister boris johnson has been admitted to a hospital as a precautionary measure. this comes 11 days after the initial confirmation that he has contracted the virus. back here, we want to -- before

we go there. let me tell you about what's going on with boris johnson. he has lasting symptoms. the hospitals will be checking him out. they think it's a good idea to check out the prime minister of the uk in person because he has those persistant symptoms. they say he's very much in charge of the country. we saw him briefly this morning as he opened the door to number ten. he said he's pleading with the british public to stay home and take this seriously. there's been some frustration among some british officials that the british public is not taking it as seriously as they should. they are going out to parks. they are sunbathing and there's a bit too much crowding going on in parks. there's now a threat they might close those parks and stop people from going outside to exercise as they have done in spain and italy. joining us from london is cal perry. what else can you tell me about

what's happening with the prime minister? >> on march 26th he tested positive. this would have been ten days. we heard from him via video phone a few times in which he said he wish he could have left his isolation after seven days and he had a persistant fever. that's what pushed doctors to say it's better if you saw someone face-to-face. this was a precautionary measure. they are down playing the symptoms. they say he's fully in control. a sign that he has not gotten better at a timetable in which his doctors would have liked him to. worth mentioning, you may have done but i was dialing in. the government has been hit on many fronts. the health secretary down with the coronavirus. the chief science officer and health official were sort of behind closed doors for a week. they were hit by the coronavirus. the softn of the queen and we

heard from the queen tonight. only the fifth time she has chosen to address the nation. he son, the future king of england struck with the coronavirus. it shows you under the pressure of which this government is operating. >> i'm confused about this. i know how the power line of succession works in the united states. i'm not quite sure how it works in the uk. obviously, this is a precaution according to sources within 10 downing that he's okay and still in charge of the government. he is being admitted to the hospital to be checked out. if the symptoms get worse and he's not functional as maybe he should be to run a government, who takes over? >> miking gov, the defunct deputy prime minister. we will run into the extent of my knowledge is number two there. worth mentioning that these daily pressers that are being

given have been on a rotating basis. we heard from gov yesterday. we hoped to hear from health secretary every day. he's been down until very recently, until about 48 hours ago. there was some discussion about what would happen and if there needed to be somebody out in front of this. the prime minister made it very clear he would continue to direct things from 11 downing, which is just next door where he has been under quarantine. he fashions himself and looks up very much to winston churchill. on background sources at ten downing are saying he's still in charge. we'll have to wait and see how long he's in hospital. he's been officially admitted. they call it a precaution, the questions like the ones you just asked will now be asked in a serious way across this government. >> lets me ask you also how is the british public taking these stay at home orders?

i heard a scolding by up with of the officials out there that people shouldn't be sunbathing. it was only a few weeks ago that boris johnson was pushing back on resistant to having a lockdown order, stay at home order the way other european nations were doing. what's it like there right now? >> he's falling under an incredible amount of krcriticis for not acting soon enough and not implementing stronger measures. there are stay at home measures. social distancing policies are in place. restaurants and pubs are closed. there hasn't been a real enforcement of it. in the last 24 to 48 hours there's been sham campaign against people who are out sunbathing. many of the parks in london and around the country have been full as the weather has been nice. there's been a sense that some people are taking advantage.

there was talk in this country about herd immunity. allowing many to get the virus and acquire an immunity to it and provide what health officials, scientists refer to as herd immunity. unfortunately, scientists and health officials quickly weighed in and reminded politicians this is incredibly more deadly than flu. i think the delay that we saw in the government taking inaction has led many people to wonder if the science they were looking at was just wrong. >> if he wants to compare himself to winston churchill, he was out ahead of the threat of hitl hitler, not reacting to a threat after it already stormed the shores of the uk. >> there's a lot of miscomparisons there.

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we want to keep a lot of focus on those on the front lines of the pandemic. each day they go to work, put their own lives at risk to serve their communities in a crisis with an uncertain end. i'm talking about the health care professionals, the doctors and nurses and the like. i'm joined by one of those workers right now, an e.r.

doctor in downtown manhattan. we have been checking in with you each weekend. this morning new york's governor said we appear to be nearing the apex. what does it feel like in the e.r.s now? does it feel like we're nearing the apex? >> that's a hard thing to judge on the front lines and in the e.r. we are stretched very thin. we have -- you know our hospital system is a big system. i work in small community e.r. in downtown manhattan. we're seeing a greater volume of sicker patients just as we had gradually over the last week. we continue to see patients who have a need for oxygen, needing hospital beds, vent lailators. as the hospital in manhattan reach their capacity, that's put a strain on us. in mywe opened a floor

for pashttient who is have come the end of their hospitalization who are either getting better or need more time before they go home. we are boardi ing patients for much longer than we used to doing and providing a level of care quite extraordinary in these times being as the hospitals near their capacity, we are sort of stretched thin also because we have got to keep patients for a longer time and continue their treatment in way that we haven't had to. >> i was talking to a friend this morning in tear, terrified because her mother was admitted to the e.r. in brooklyn yesterday. he's 74. she's still in the e.r. waiting for a bed. there's not a bed for her yet. she's got fever. she's got chills. she has all the signs of covid. they are still waiting on the results of the test. what do you say to family

members whose loved ones are sitting in an e.r. waiting for a bed? i know it's over loaded and doctors and nurses are waiting as hard as they can. what do the family members back home need to know? >> just know we're doing everything in our capacity to care for people. i'm trying my best as well as my staff is trying our best to be compassionate and be understanding and be sympathetic ward the plight of the family members. i am someone who has had the care for an ill family member and not being able to be at the bedside is an extraordinary difficult thing for a lot of family members and they are very worried about their family members, which is totally understandable and in these stressful times it's very difficult because we can't always communicate with them. when the lines of communication are blurred by the patient's not being able to have viz tors and have their family members at their bedside, the continuity of

their care is there but the uncertainty of hospitalization and where people are going to be hospitalized is a very stressful thing. we try our best to keep the lines of communication open. i have found myself on the phone quite a bit with family members who are calling to check up on their loved ones. i just try my best to keep calm and try to be compassionate in these stressful times because even though we as physicians and nurses, we're definitely stressed out by going to work. the stress of the families is nothing short of extraordinary. we have seen that. i worked in one of our system hospitals in queens that is particularly over stretched. what we're seeing is we have got to transper pashttients to different hospitals to try to alleviate the surge in the hospital and e.r. in general. that's an extraordinary thing when your icus, these are units capable of caring for the sickest of the sick in the

community. when those resources are at the brink and being overwhelmed it's a very stressful thing. >> let me ask you about the process. there's a number of field hospitals around new york city. there's the javits center that can now take covid patients according to governor cuomo. the central park in central park and authur ashe stadium. who is going to those places? >> my understanding at the javits center is they will accept covid patients. looking a of the coverage of it, assignments to be the more stable patients may go to place like the javits center. i don't know about their kp capacity for vent lailators and

critical care. be pashttients have to conform. dwoep we don't want to transfer somebody at risk would you tell us having the right emergency procedures or the icu capability in place. transferring pasht inring patie a challenge with this virus. we haven't been able to predict exactly who is going to become very, very severely ill for this illness versus who stands a chance of recovering from this illness. it has to go day by day depending on the progression of symptoms. there's a wide spectrum saying this person would do well in this facility or that is a bit of a challenge because it may take several days for someone to

develop severe symptoms or recover completely from their sympto symptoms. determining which patients are going to which facility changes on a day-to-day hour to hour basis. that's yet to be determined. >> that is such a good point. the unpredictability of this virus, not to mention the number of ambulances that are available to transfer patients in new york city already low and we have seen fema send more ambulances to new york because of all of the calls that are being made to pick up sick loved ones from home and take them to the hospital. we do hope you are staying safe. you look well. we hope that next week you look exactly the same as you do now and you're mentally okay. thank you very much. >> thank you so much. i'm definitely working on it. i thought it was terrible what he did to write a letter. i mean this isn't a class on lit cl litture.

he wrote a letter. it was a five-page letter from a captain. the letter was all over the place. that's not appropriate. i don't think that's appropriate. >> president trump yesterday dub double down on the to fire cap crozier, the captain of the "uss roosevelt" after a letter about the coronavirus outbreak on the ship was leaked. that captain has now tested positive for covid-19. navy officials have refused to confirm whether or not he contracted the virus, but a defense official did confirm to nbc news once the captain left the roosevelt he went into quarantine on naval base guam. in his letter he described a growing number of cases on board the warship, which was carrying more than 4,000 crew members. more than 155 sailors from the roosevelt have tested positive for the coronavirus so far.

joining me now are lisa and al robertson. their son was one of the sailors evacuated from "the uss roosevelt" he has tested negative for the virus but he remains in quarantine. thank you so much for being with us. >> were cheers from sailors cheering him on as he was leaving. what do you think about what he did and the navy firing him? he did the right thing for his shipmates, he put them first more so than his career. he is our hero for doing that. he did the right thing, as far as him being fired, relieved of his command, it's -- it should

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was probably ignored and felt no other choice but to go outside of the chain of command to make light to the situation. >> your son has so far tested negative. he's still in quarantine. what do you think of the other officers who tested positive? how do you feel about captain crozier himself now testing positive? >> when i first heard about the covid being on the ship, i knew with everybody living in close quarters how rapid it would spread. very concerned that they hesitated to do something about it. we did learn about captain crozier being test positive, and we're just very sad for him and just for him to get better very quickly. it's not a lot of fun being sick with this.

it is -- it's very tough. it's nothing like the flu at all. i don't care what other people seem to make it out to be. it's not like the flu. >> what have you heard about the conditions on that ship and how they were able to try and separate those who had symptoms from others? again, i think we need to remember, that just because you have symptoms doesn't -- or you don't have symptoms does not mean you don't have covid. >> exactly. you can be asymptomatic. i served 21 years, i served on three different carriers. i can tell you right now on board an aircraft carrier, social distancing is just impossible. i've -- the medical units, medical facility, tight quarters, the whole ship. i'm sure they tried their best to quarantine those who had

already tested positive. but as you can see, it's spreading very quickly throughout the ship. the last i heard, 120 cases already. so, this is something that i feared especially on an aircraft carrier. any warship. very close living quarters, and a virus such as this that we don't know much about can spread very, very quickly. >> guys, thank you so much for joining me. i really do hope your son feels okay, and that he continues to feel okay. lisa and al robertson, we appreciate your time and for giving us an insight on what it was like on that ship and what you think of what happened to captain crozier. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. and before i go, i wanted to share something i saw today on instagram of all places that made me feel grounded in these difficult times it was a post from actress julianna pitt which

includes a picture from the 1919 spanish flu pandemic and a quote wrote in 1969 in the wake of the irish famine, both relevant to what we're going through today. it says and people stayed home. they read books and listened, they rested and did exercise and made art and played and learned new ways of being. and stopped and listened more deeply. some meditated. some prayed. some met their shadow. and people began to think differently. and people healed. and in the absence of people who lived in ignorant ways, dangerous, meaningless, heartless, the earth also began to heal. when the danger ended and people found themselves, they grieved for the dead and made new choices and dreamed of new visions and created new ways of living and completely healed the earth just as they were healed. i know it's not possible for

everybody to stay home. i know some are living with the unimaginable terror of their loved ones being in a hospital right now, someone might be in a hospital right now scared for their life. for those of us who are at home and are stuck at home and feel like our worlds are getting smaller, just remember, there is happiness at home. there are things to be thankful for. so just stay inside, wash your hands, and be safe so the rest of us can remain safe as well. that will wrap things up for me this hour on msnbc. thank you for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern. in the meantime, our coverage continues after the break with "politics nation" and reverend al sharpton. he will be joined by congressman james clyburn and senator amy klobuchar. my doctor recommended eliquis. eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent another dvt or pe blood clot.

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