on behalf of all of my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night from our temporary field headquarters. good morning. it's tuesday, april 7th, everybody. we're starting with important new developments from london. the office of the british prime minister boris johnson saying he was moved to the intensive care unit yesterday after his condition worsened. it was just 11 days ago when the a 55-year-old conservative tweeted a message saying he was experiencing mild symptoms and was self-isolating after testing positive for the coronavirus. on sunday, the prime minister's office said he was still battling symptoms and was taken to the hospital insisting it was just a precaution.

now comes the news that he's in the icu. his aides insist this, too, is just a precaution in case he needs a ventilator. however, sky news reporting the prime minister had trouble breathing and was given oxygen before he was moved to the icu. we're told he remains conscious, but has asked that foreign minister dominic rob step in, quote, where necessary. ali, good morning to you. thanks so much for joining us on this. quite some shocking news yesterday, to say the least. at what point did they realize the prime minister needed to be admitted to the icu? >> good morning, yasmin. they realized it before 7:00 yesterday evening as his condition worsened. he had been showing persistent symptoms of the covid-19 virus. but yesterday, his condition became a lot worse and that's why they moved him into the icu

unit. as you mentioned, they did it as a precautionary measure in case he needed ventilation. there are no reports right now that he has been put on a ventilator. all we're hearing is that his condition remains the same as it was when he was transferred to the icu unit where he was given oxygen to help him with his breathing. but this is, nonetheless, a very dramatic move. it is the sickest, the most needy patients that are taken to an intensive care unit and that shows you that you need a much higher level of care. another important thing to point out, yasmin, is that the stakes have dramatically changed here. the prime minister felt it necessary to basically deputize for him, which has sent alarm bells around the country wondering what does this exactly

mean and how bad is his condition? but we're going to be monitoring this throughout the day to see if there's any word from downing street and updating exactly how he is doing. but all we know right now is in that unit in the hospital behind me. >> if his situation does get worse over the next couple of days, politically, what happens then? >> there's a lot of questions about that. this country, unlike the united states, doesn't have an object successor like the vice president. it's an unwritten constitution here. so right now, legal le speaking, constitutionally speaking and practically speaking, there is a gray area as to whether dominic rabb is the head of the government. he's probably running the

day-to-day affairs right now. but if the prime minister was going become incapacitated or die in this country, the party would have to vote among itself who the next leader would be. there would be no new election. that is a process that could take days if not weeks. it would then have to be approved by the queen. given the extraordinary circumstances we're in and the important decisions that need to be made hour by hour, day by day, you would expect that process to be expedited. they say he is conscious, but what does that mean, that you're able to make very important decisions or that you're just there on the edge? it is very unclear. we will have to see how the prime minister's health either

deteriorates or gets better. >> and as we can tell, a lot happening in the uk right now. with this virus, incredibly brutal and does not discriminate. thank you so much. we'll talk to you again in just a little bit. so meanwhile, here in the united states, the death toll from the coronavirus is now more than 10,000. it's closing in on 11,000 just this morning. to put that into perspective, in about a one-month span, more americans have died from this virus than were killed on the battlefield during six u.s. wars combined. and across the country, states are doing their part to flatten the curve of the coronavirus. in south carolina, governor henry mcmaster issued a more pointed executive order yesterday, telling residents to stay at home if they are not at work or out tend to go essential needs. washington governor jay inlsee announced schools will remain physically closed for the remainder of the school year there and that the state's more than 1.2 million public and

private k through 12 students will continue distance learning until the end of june. and in california and los angeles, the mayor said while he's encouraged by a slowing rate of infection, city hall could expand restriction owes public and business activity if the numbers sutly take a turn for the worst. in an interview with the associated press, garcia said the possibilities include requiring people to stay mostly in their neighborhoods and clamping down on construction sites with workers in too close proximity. and president trump is disputing an inspector general report that found hospitals across the country are facing dire shortages of critical medical equipment and protective gear. during yesterday's reduce briefing, the president was asked about the watchdog report and claimed, without any evidence, that the results were politically bias. >> the inspector general for the

department of health and human services released a report today, a survey of more than 300 hospitals across the country and the number one complain from those hospitals were severe shortages of testing supplies and a long wait time. >> it's just wrong. did i hear the word inspector general? really? it's wrong. and they'll talk to you about it. it's wrong. >> but this is your own government. >> well, where did it come from, the inspector general? what is his name? >> if you find me his name, i'd appreciate it. we've done more testing and had more results than any country anywhere in the world. they're doing an incredible job. now they're all calling us. we want our testing. what are you doing? how do you did on the five-minute test, how do you do the 15-minute test? could politics be entered into

that? joining me now, daniel lippman. the president here has the ability to fill the void at these hospitals. i have talked to plenty of doctors across the country that are saying the exact same thing. there are issues with their needs at the hospitals right now. is this going to debilitate the country from being able to bounce back from this crisis when you have the president denying what is very obvious across the country? >> it makes it much harder for hospitals to respond. and states are forced to enter into bidding wars where they're bidding against each other, against the federal government, against private companies to try to kind of flatten the curve and to respond. and so even though trump lamg baf

lambasts the report, that doesn't mean it's wrong. if you have medical workers who fall ill to covid or even die. >> let's talk about, daniel, your new reporting on how the national security council is handling this pandemic. >> yes. so we looked at how they have been actually ahead of the curve for months. the deputy security adviser. he was urging a china travel ban months ago. and he was kind of raising red flags and warning bells that did not really get herd by much in the administration. he actually wears a mask to work and trump has found it riley amusing. this is the same president who said i wouldn't wear a mask, but

still approved the cdc recommendation that americans wear masks or face coverings when they are out in public. >> daniel lippman for us, thank you. great seeing you this morning. stay healthy, my friend. still ahead, a legal showdown in wisconsin as voters prepare to head to the polls this morning. plus, a glimmer of hope coming out of one coronavirus hot spot. new signs that the virus may be leveling off here in new york. those stories and a check on your weather when we come back. n your weather when we come back

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if back to normal means acting like there never was a coronavirus problem, i don't think that's going to happen until we do have a situation where you can completely protect the population. but when we say getting back to normal, we mean something very different from what we're going

through right now. right now, we are in a very intense mitigation. when we get back to normal, we will go back gradually to the point where we can function as a society. but you're absolutely right, i mean, if you want to get to precoronavirus, you know, that might not ever happen in the sense of the fact that the threat is there. but i believe with the therapies that will be coming online and over time, we will get a vaccine, that we will never have to get right back to where we are right now. if that means getting back to normal, then we're getting back to normal. >> welcome back. that was dr. anthony fauci at the white house briefing yesterday. when asked about if americans can expect to get back to normal. so wisconsin is set to hold its democratic primary today after governor tony evers lost a heated legal battle in two of the nation's top courts. yesterday afternoon, wisconsin supreme court overturned evers' executive order early monday to

postpone the election to june after citing the public health risk due to the coronavirus pandemic. the court in a 4-2 decision sided with the state's republican-controlled legislature which opposed moving the date saying it would, quo, s sow confusion. the 5-4 split vote was down idea logical lines with the court's more conservative members in the majority. danny, great to see you this morning, as always. first i kind of want to get your reaction to the scattered showers's decision to block the governor's executive order. >> the governor only has the power that's given to him by the legislature. his powers are defined in state statutes. and so even though it may be a matter of public policy that is widely agreed upon not to have an election, the governor simply

may not have the power to extend an election or otherwise pause it because it doesn't appear in his list of powers. what is really interesting about the wisconsin supreme court's opinion in this case is that it concludes that the governor does not have the power to issue an executive order that overrides a statute. and that is pretty normal at least that we have a hierarchy of laws. the constitution or the state of the government is always supreme followed by legislation are almost always infiror to legislation .even though it may be about test thing for the public health, he doesn't have the power. one dissent said look, this is a matter of public emergency and

there is a part of the statute that gives the governor these broad powers. the majority interpreted it to mean, well, it means he can negotiate contracts and do other things. it doesn't give him power to do whatever he wants. but it's an interesting balance between what is sometimes best for the public and what the law allows. >> but what if you are a voter and you go to the polls and you subsequently get infected with the coronavirus? you can trace it back to the time in which you were voting. are there legal implications to that at all? >> you brick up an interesting topic. that's what will be the liability for employers, government agents and other entities that otherwise order, force or direct people to go do things and then they get coronavirus? one of the biggest defenses i see is a thing we call causation. can individual plaintiffs absolutely prove that the reason that they got coronavirus

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besides held a telephone call yesterday. but ideals are still in the early stage. and the arizona option would have many obstacles to overcome. half of the mlb clubs hold spring training in arizona. the other half in florida. florida's spring training ballparks are spread by as much as 220 miles. opening day had been set for march 26th. but training was halted on march 12th. also, as more of our everyday lives move online during this pandemic, the nfl has announced that its annual draft to be held later this month will be, quote, fully virtual with teams and their personnel in separate locations. the nfl's commissioner wrote in

a memo that he wanted all teams to operate in a, quote, consistent and fair way, referring to the wide ranging restrictions on movement and gatherings across the country. so the sports world is being rocked by this pandemic, as well. bill, as we are seeing the numbers continue to rise throughout this country, there is a glimmer of hope here in new york where we may be at the beginning stages of our apex. >> we're hoping that it's at the plateau, right? we're hoping that instead of still going up, that we can begin to flatten it. so let's get into the numbers yesterday. obviously, over 10,000 deaths early yesterday and now we're up there close to about 11,000 fatalities in the country. and you can see how quickly we have moved up. now, what was interesting is that the numbers dipped on sunday. so we told you that yesterday.

we came close, but we did not break the record for the number of daily deaths reported. yesterday we had about 1300. saturday was 1350. very close, but it's a minor thing. it's better to plateau than it is to continue to go up on our apex. almost 600 deaths out of new york. michigan over 100. the fatality rate for the country right now is 3%. so 3% of the positive cases are resulting in death. in michigan, you have one of the highest fatality rates. you're at 4.2%. new jersey, went over 1,000 fatalities yesterday. and just to put it into perspective, the little state of new jersey now has one fatalities out of every 75 in the world because we have 75,000 fatalities being reported around the globe. and 1,000 of those in the little tate of new jersey. pretty amazing. so let's get into the severe weather threat for today. we are going to have to deal with severe storms.

we are in our spring season. i don't think we're going to see many tornados today, but we will have damaging hail and wind to deal with today from minneapolis to columbus. eventually that will head into areas like washington, d.c. and baltimore. today's forecast, very warm, very summer like through dallas and st. louis. we still have our stormy weather to deal with there in los angeles. so, you know, yasmin, as we go through the numbers, we'll talk about the cases coming up and what states had the most yesterday. it's the same culprit day after day with the hot spots remaining in those same areas. still ahead, british prime minister boris johnson remaining in intensive care as the cases in the uk continue to mount. we're going to go live to london for the latest on his condition. plus, stocks rallied yesterday as the spread of coronavirus appeared to slow in some areas we're going to take a look at

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welcome back, everybody. i am yasmin vossoughian. we begin this half hour in london where british prime minister boris johnson is in the icu. now there are concerns that his condition may have been worse than previously disclosed to the public. joining me once again from london, nbc news bureau chief ali ruzi who has been covering this story for us. good morning once again. let's talk about what you're hearing about the prime minister's current condition.

>> there hant been any update from downing street since yesterday. they say he is in the same condition as he was in yesterday. he was moved to the intensive care unit in case he needed to be put on a ventilator. a very senior minister this morning said he has not been ventilated as of yet and he is still receiving oxygen and that it was still a precautionary measure to take him to the intensive care unit in case he needs to be switched to a ventilator. but, of course, when you are taken to the icu, you are among the sickest and most serious of patients that you need that extra layer of protection and care from nhs staff. so it is still very concerning about the prime minister's condition. we haven't heard from him or his office this morning about how he is doing, just that he is in the

same condition as yesterday. the last time we saw the prime minister was on thursday when he stepped outside downing street to join the rest of the nation in clapping for the nhs. he was not looking well on thursday. that's why he ended up in hospital on sunday. by yesterday, he was in the icu. this is obviously alarming for everybody in this country. this country is very anxious about the well being of its own health, it's battling the coronavirus, and now the prime minister is fighting his own personal battle against this virus. so there is a lot of concern about what is going to happen next, if he's going to recover, how quickly he's going to recover and when he'll be back at the helm. >> so two against i have for you here. first and foremost, i want to know about the action we're hearing from around the world with regard to boris johnson being placed in icu.

secondly, my understanding is his fiancee, who is currently i believe six months or so pregnant tested positive for coronavirus. do we know her status, her health status so far? >> that is right. there has been floods of messages of concern and well wishes coming in from all over the world. president macron of france sent a message, angela merkel, all the european leaders have sent messages. as we saw yesterday, president trump also spoke about boris johnon. so there is a great deal of concern among his peers. this is a very worrying time and they are probably as unclear about how he is going to make it through this as we are right now. because they are also in the same predicament that this can affect anybody and regarding his fiancee, nobody is as concerned as she is. she is six months pregnant and has shown symptoms for covid-19.

>> all right. nbc's ali ruzi for us, thank you so much and please stay healthy out there. so new york is in the thick of the fight against the coronavirus as new cases and the death toll begin to show signs of leveling off. begin is the key word here. fatalities rose nearly 600 yesterday, which is a small drop from the previously higher weekend rate. the death toll stands at over 4,700 cases. governor cuomo extended the stay at home order through the end of the month as the data gives some hope that social distancing has helped avoid a worst case scenario. meanwhile, new york city is looking at a grim contingency plan if the death rate continues to overwhelm the city's morgues, temporarily burying virus victims on public lands. >> if we need to do temporary burials to pass the crisis and work with the family eps on the appropriate arrangements, then

we have the ability to do that. >> so while new york hospitals are flooded by coronavirus patients and running low on medical equipment, the state of california has agreed to loan 500 additional ventilators. meanwhile, the cathedral of st. john the devine did open its doors as a temporary field hospital by the end of the week. the ee pefk pal church which is the largest gothic style cathedral in the world expects to take in 200 patients. the entire city chipping in here. and the usms comfort providing relief to the coronavirus of new york had its first crew member test positive for the coronavirus yesterday. the infected person is now in violation away from the rest of the crew and patients on board. in a statement, the navy said this, there is no impact to comfort's mission and this will not affect the ability for comfort to receive patients. the ship was initially supposed to take on nonvirus cases to help hospitals, but yesterday

the president and governor cuomo said it would take covid-19 patients as well as patients from new jersey, another hard hit state there. and louisiana governor john bell edwards says new evidence suggests the latest raid rate of covid-19 cases is slowing down as more residents stay home and away from other people. according to the associated press with a new shipment of vent laters arriving from the national stockpile and the encouraging data on hospitalization rates. louisiana's model no longer includes the projection that the new orleans theaters could run out of hospital beds this week. the virus took the life of a baby born prosecute maturely after her mother contracted the disease and was put on a ventilator. governor edwards warned that even if the data shows louisiana is start to go flatten the curve, everyone should still be taking the same precautionary measures for the upcoming easter holiday. louisiana's coronavirus case load grew monday to nearly

15,000 people with confirmed infections. 12% of whom are currently hospitalized. the death toll rose by 35 from a day earlier to at least 512 deaths. still ahead, everybody, joe biden offering his advice to president trump on the coronavirus pandemic as the former vp's 2020 campaign gets a boost with a new high profile endorsement. your first look at "morning joe" is back in a moment. k at "morni" is back in a moment. a lot of healthy foods are very acidic

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the spirit of the american people during this time of crisis. trump described the call as, quote, very friendly, but according to the "new york times," the positive vibes did not last long. trump's campaign leader added that sleepy joe biden has completely lost touch with the american people accusing him of pushing to raise taxes. biden wrote on twitter that trump's response to the coronavirus had been slow. week after week, he down played the threat it posed, misled the american people and failed to act. .joining me now, nbc news correspondent mike memoley for us. mike, good morning to you. i want to get to the phone call, of course, between the former vice president and the president, but i first want to balk the about this new endorsement for former president joe biden. >> yes. during this coronavirus pandemic, there is not much way in the of campaign news at all that would break through and warrant discussion. but the endorsement of congressman john lewis, a

genuine hero of the american civil rights movement is certainly one of those things that's worth discussing. he's announcing just this morning that he's backing joe biden for the democratic administration saying america needs joe biden now more than ever. he compares his battle for cervical rights to what joe biden is now calling the battle for the soul of the nation saying he's hoping to be able to join biden on the campaign trail, even though he continues to battle cancer himself. this endorsement at this point joe biden has clearly a delegate lead at this point in the nomination race isn't necessarily pricing, but i think it underscores what has gotten joe biden to this point which is his strong support among african-americans. john lewis was asked whether joe biden should pick a woman of color as his running mate. his response was he would love to see a woman on the ticket, but he said the white house

should look like america and so he said there are many women, women of color, but also white women would could meet that qualification, as well. so let's now circle back to this phone call that i think we can both say was incredibly surprising to hear between the former vice president and the president yesterday. what more can you tell us with regards to what they discussed? >> well, the principals themselves yesterday biden talking with craig melvin, calling it a good call. he'll be interviewed by craig later on this morning. president trump in the briefing room sounding fairley positive about it, calling it a friendly call saying he hasn't talked to biden much in the past. they did speak during the presidential transition, of course, but he called it friendly and nice as the president is often one to do. what is so interesting about this call is we've talked a lot about how joe biden is struggling to break through, obviously, get some media

attention during this coronavirus pandemic. the biden campaign has been pretty smart in how they played this. so this all started about a week ago when kellyanne conway responded to criticism by the biden group saying if he has suggestions, he should call the white house and offer them. the biden campaign said we're happy to have a conversation between biden and the president if he'll take our call. i suspect the president, his tone was fairley positive about it, let's keep an eye on his twitter account. maybe he'll have some more choice words for the former vice president about it. but an interesting moment, to be sure. always good to keep an eye on the president's twitter account especially after he has a conversation like this one. we want to get a check on your weather now with

meteorologist bill karins who has been tracking the coronavirus numbers for us throughout the country. >> yeah. i want to get to this graph, yasmin. if there is one little piece of good news, it's what happens over the last couple of days. you remember those sunday dips, maybe less people working in the labs, less people working to report. we've always had a record number come in on monday. yesterday, we did not have a record come in for the first monday since this has begun. we had 30,500 approximately new cases yesterday. the record was on saturday of 34,000 cases. was saturday the apex? we all certainly hope so. that would be great. we'll find that out in the next couple of days. so keep that number in mind. 34,000 is our daily record of new cases. here is the curve. still not going up, but the growth rate has been slowing. yesterday it was an implied

growth rate of 10%. now we're down to 8%. the lower that number gets, the longer it takes to double these cases. right now, it would be 8 to 9 days to double our current number. we're still looking at about saturday for hitting 500,000 people infected with cases. that's the number that's being reported. obviously we know there's probably more than that that haven't got and gotten a test or haven't got the results back. new york, new jersey, still high on the list. but louisiana, pennsylvania, massachusetts, well over a thousand cases coming in, too. we'll wait and see. there is a chance that saturday was the apex for the daily number of cases. we'll find out soon enough as we go through outthe next week. well be watching that, bill. thank you very much. still ahead, where u.s. markets stand this morning after yesterday's big rallies. plus, president trump's dill with maskmaker 3m to aid health care workers on the front lines of the coronavirus pandemic. the stories driving your business day, coming up next. the stories driving your business d, aycoming up next who has time for wrinkles?

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welcome back. the stock market rallied on news of a slowing coronavirus death rate yesterday. the gains appear to be continuing this morning on wall street. let's take a look at that with karen cho who is joining us live this morning. karen, good morning to you. talk us through how the markets are looking so far today. >> good morning. it was a little bit soft early on futures, but they have rallied, trying to reinforce some of those gains yesterday where we saw the dow surge 7.7%. investors were heartened by news from new york appears governor and new jersey that perhaps some of the infection levels are starting to peak. also case necessary western europe proving encouraging. the optimism further encouraged, too, by president trump suggesting there are a couple of treatments engaged in trials, about 10 different active trials and about 15 more hoping to

progress to clinical trials. so that was very positive for the stock market. that said, investors are proven defensive still. they're going to areas like utilities where it is a much more defensive tilt for the market. there may be some downward pressure in coming weeks, where we could retest some of the lows. in other news, the federal reserve is moving to try to shore up loans for small businesses. these are loans that have been handed out by banks, not the lend lenders, as part of the government's release efforts. it'll try to encourage financial firms to guarantee more loans. they're specifically designed to cover two months' worth of payroll and other essential costs and will be forgiven if the businesses maintain their level of the work force. >> karen, let's talk quickly about this deal reached between 3m and the president that's really going to impact medical workers here. what can you tell us about this deal? >> huge move by 3m to supply

more medical equipment to those on the front line. 167 million masks will now be supplied. this comes after president trump, who was critical last week of the manufacturer's efforts and invoking a law that dates back many, many years, to force the manufacturer to come up with more product. it says it'll import much of the gear. don't forget, the restrictions in china using some of the masks to fight the pandemic itself. masks have been supplied, and president trump responding after a briefing last night, saying he was very happy. 3m saga ended happily. we're proud to be dealing with 3m and its ceo, micrke roman. positive comments on the back of that. >> karen, great seeing you this morning. a look at axios' one big thing coming up. coming up on "morning joe," as coronavirus deaths begin to show signs of leveling off around the world, the uk faces a new hurdle, with news of prime

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just do it already! ♪ one more time yeah. joining with me with a look at axios am, nick johnston. good morning to you. >> morning. >> talk to me about axios one big thing today. >> it's the memos that warned the west wing. some great reporting last night from my colleagues, jonathan swan and margaret, about who memos shared with the west wing in late january and february, warning about the damage of the coronavirus pandemic and what it could cause the united states. these memos were sent by the trade adviser, peter navarro. the first one, he warned the virus could kill up to 1 million

people in the united states and do $6 trillion in damage to the u.s. economy. he followed that up with another memo in late february, increasing the death toll and laying out all the equipment shortages likely to be faced in a broad, long-lasting pandemic, protective gear, ventilators, masks. why this matters, the internal mem ros are in sharp differenceo what the president was saying at the time. he said the pandemic would be likely short lived, wouldn't draggen on, and the stock marke would be open. a white house official was warning about the pandemic growing. the president did crack down on flights from china, one of his first moves. the memo shows far greater damages were being warned about here. >> so what happened here then? why didn't the trump administration take these mem r os seriously if they were getting

warnings from inside the white house, basically, saying this thing was headed towards us and we need to get prepared? >> yeah, this is a lot of reporting still to be done on that. what our initial reporting is showing, remember, peter navarro is the trade adviser, not a medical adviser. he is involved in the president's trade war on china. some internal advisers were telling us they saw the pandemic warning as being alarm bells ringing about china instead of the pandemic itself. he was using the pandemic to go after china, cutting back on trade and additional travel. they didn't expect peter navarro to be the person warning about the pandemic, and now the warnings have with become all too true. >> let's talk about testing for a moment, nick. >> yeah. >> you hear the president over and over with the coronavirus briefings, basically saying we have a handle on testing. we see the numbers coming out every day of the increase of positive coronavirus cases. the reality here is that not everybody is being tested. in fact, there are a lot of folks out there that are likely positive with the coronavirus that are not registering with

these numbers. >> yeah, the most important thing to understand as far as the economy moving past this pandemic is systematic, nationwide testing. we have to be able to figure out who has the virus, who is transmitting it, who is asymptomatic, and who can move around safely and go back to work, to school, to shopping, to travel. experts are telling us we need 750,000 tests per week to meet that criteria, to get as much systematic testing as we need. we did 1.65 million total, up to 650,000 a week now. remember, that's still not enough. the numbers are ramping up. we don't have the testing we need to track and monitor the virus and begin to reopen the economy. >> you're talking about the testing that we need here, nick, but it is also about the turnaround of this testing. at one point, they were getting all the tests they needed, right? at one point, they were testing a lot more than they were a couple weeks prior, but then they were getting backed up at

the labs. people iing weeks to find out if they were positive or negative, leaving health care workers without any armor. >> right. particularly the northeast, folks got the virus and came down six. it was when they got better, 16 days later, when they were positively identified as having the virus. it was the pace of testing. we have to get visibility of how the virus has spread so we can contain it and open up the economy again. >> nicholas johnston for us, thank you. we'll be reading axios am in a little bit. you can sign up at signup.axios.com. that does it for me on this tuesday morning. i'm yasmin vossoughian. "morning joe" starts right now. if back to normal means acting like there never was a coronavirus problem, i don't think that's going to happen until we do have a situation where you can completely protect the population. but when we say getting back to

normal, we mean something very different from what we're going through right now. because right now, we are in a very intense mitigation. when we get back to normal, we will go back gradually to the point where we can function as a society. you're absolutely right. i mean, if you want to get to pre-coronavirus, you know, that might not ever happen in the sense of the fact that the threat is there. but i believe, with the therapies that will be coming online, and with the fact that i feel confident that over a period of time we'll get a good vaccine, we'll never have to get back to where we are right now. if that means getting back to normal, we'll get back to normal. >> dr. anthony fauci as the white house briefing yesterday, when asked when americans can expect things to get back to normal. that was the key question and the key answer from the briefing yesterday. >> you know, we've said it for a very long time, it all comes down to testing, testing. everybody is actually saying that it all comes down to test