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hello, everyone. millions around the world are celebrating easter this sunday and they're marking the holiday like never before. social distancing measures canceled many measures but church goers found other ways to worship today. the pope led virtual services at an empty st. peters basilica. italy is one of the hardest hit countries with more than 19,000 dead. the worldwide death toll stands at more than 109,000. 21,000 here in the united states. but the number of people who

have recovered from the virus continue to grow. and there are signs that social distancing measures are helping to flatten the curve. that is good news. it is covered across the country today. thompson is in houston. thank you both so much. mora, tell us what you're seeing on the ground in pennsylvania. there were five church services held for easter. there is a platform and a croft. that is the make shift alter. 500 cars filled this space for one of the services we saw this morning. in eastern pennsylvania, they've seen an uptick in cases in pennsylvania and business is

longer than the rest of the state. this is the new normal. >> can you get an idea of how they're embracing this new normal? >> yeah. people told me, i talked to a couple church goers on here and waiting for service to begin. and they told me they're trying to practice social distancing as officials have talked about. there were not a lot of people that stayed in the cars. people were half rolling down the windows. a lot of church goers were appreciative that the church was holding this kind of service. after a while, it does take a toll. to stay the ahome and stay alone. so even though they're solo in the cars, they were still part of a community. i spoke with one couple, eddie and karen, who told me they were really grateful the church held

this service today. take a listen to what they told me. >> it's good. i mean, at least everyone is altogether. i mean it is a little strange sitting in your car. but at least you have everyone doing the same thing together. and here to worship. >> you're the people and this is the way we have to see the lord, just the way we have to have church service, you know, i'm for it. it's better than not having any church service at all. i'm glad our church is able to do this. >> sure. we can get together and fellowship, i guess. this is very nice for us. >> it's something we've never seen before. it's a scary time. we'll get through it eventually. there is a lot at the end of the tunnel. >> yeah. >> yeah. we just got to that god is in control of everything. they all were hopeful as they

talked to me about looking forward to the next couple of weeks and hoping they can reconvene in an actual church building sometime soon. >> of course. thank you so much for that great reporting out of philadelphia. over in texas, church goers are celebrating easter in a similar fashion. they're keeping their spirits up from safe distances. nbc news correspondent presillp thompson joins me from houston. how are they celebrating sfwh. >> service was certainly different today. as folks actually drove into this parking lot, they got the handouts to explain how a drive through service works. so they could honk to say amen. and put on their hazard lights if they needed prayer. someone to come and pray over their car. and so what we saw, it's a beautiful day here in houston. folks were sitting on top of cars. some were standing in their truck beds. the worship leaders were leading worship and the pastor came up and preached on the stage. lots of honking. people saying amen. and the good news is the kids

still did get their easter egg, their bags of easter eggs. the church actually sanitized bags of easter eggs and candy for the kids if it their parents would allow them to have it. >> you reported that over 200 people gathered to celebrate palm sunday last week. an entire argument over the separation between church and state. where is that argument today? >> yeah. so initially a lot of stay at home orderances did not deem churches as essential businesses. a number of churches including this one filed a lawsuit and the governor came out and said churches are essential businesses but they encourage that if you can offer remote services you should. and so this pastor, this church is one of the ones that actually defied that county order early on but now has sort of decided to do this and i asked the pastor why are you doing this now? and here's what he had to say. >> we wanted to take a stand for

our first amendment rights. separate e. separation of church and state. but we also wanted to honor our elected officials. we feel that's important, too. so we prayed about it and we felt like the balance was to have a drive in church model. >> and so this is their second week doing services like that. they did it for palm sunday last weekend. and the pastor tells me they will continue to offer these services as that lawsuit plays out in lower courts. >> all right. presilla, thank you so much for joining us from houston, texas. the first wave of stimulus checks are scheduled to hit many americans' bank accounts this week. millions of undocumented immigrants, however, won't be receiving any financial help from tfederal government. if the lockdown goes on, the savings account of undocumented families will begin to run dry. it's a cruel turn for workers who have paid so much in taxes and some cases for decades to be hung out to dry during a

pandemic. now local governments are taking mat nears their own hands. with me now is minneapolis mayor jacob fry. he is making $5 million in emergency financial assistance available for residents regardless of immigration status. mayor, i want to get into that story in a minute. before we do, tell us what is it like right now in minneapolis? >> right now in minneapolis, we are banding together in a beautiful way. what you see in the statistics is that both minnesota and our city were following the stay at home order. we're making sure to look out for our neighbors and we have the best rates right now in terms of contraction, the lowest in the entire country. we want to keep it that way. >> you caught my attention with this act, with this fund that is specifically earmarked for undocumented folks in your community. the minnesota reformer writes, unlike federal and state relief packages, families will be eligible for assistance

regardless of their immigration or documentation status offering a life line to thousands of people living in the city:why make it a point to include undocumented families in this? >> both morally and economically including our undocumented neighbors within this relief is just the right thing to do, period. you know, excluding undocumented immigrants forwardly funding isn't just harmful morally, it's harmful to our entire economy. it is harmful for purposes of social distancing. so on every single facet, including our undocumented neighbors was just the right thing to do. >> can you walk us through a little bit about how this aid is going to be distributed? how it is made available to residence? >> we have two facets to our relief fund. they'll get this fund directly. and then it will be distributed to their landlord so they can

stay in place. secondly, we have a small business fund that will go out both to small business owners and then by an extension the workers that work at the business to try and keep them from going over. you know, right now there are so many people who are struggling. and we recognize that at the city level we don't have the resources to do it all by ourselves. but what we can do is supplement the money that is coming in both from the feds and state and we can fill in the gaps. and one of the biggest gaps was protecting our undocumented neighbors. they're part of our community. we love them dearly. we want to make sure during this time they are protected as well. >> mayor, throughout this crisis we have heard a lot about the absence of federal leadership and hgovernors needed to step i that place. what is the role for mayors in all of this, especially a mayor like yourself of a big city? >> cities are very much on the front lines of this crisis.

it's a city worker, firefighter, police officer, someone from our health department. cities have also traditionally been the government that's do not shut down. and we need to make it very clear to our residents whether that is minneapolis or houston that we will continue to provide core city services. will we'll continue to provide clean drinking water and if you need help, if you need to call 911, there is going to be somebody on the other end of the line that is answering. so cities are very much on the front lines. but, yes, we need help. and we need to make sure that those funds, they flow from the feds directly to cities or they flow through states and then ultimately to cities. because we're going to need to be doing that very important work on the front lines. and at the grassroots level. >> mayor fry, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for having me.

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the u.s. postal service projects they'll lose $2 million a month as they deliver the mail through the coronavirus recession. yet despite the desperate need for cash, "the washington post" reports that trump administration has blocked potential emergency funding. threatening to veto the $2 trillion legislation if it contains any money to bail out the postal agency. i'd like to welcome congressman gerald connolly. he represents virginia's 11th district and is the chairman of the house committee responsible for the postal service. congressman, thank you so much for your time today. first, i'd like to get your

reaction to the story about the white house threatening to veto legislation if it includes funding for the postal service. >> this is another example of this president and this administration putting ideology or -- [ inaudible ] you know, businesses are closed. events have been canceled. we're shut in in our houses. we can't go to work. we can't see our relatives and friends even on a day like today, easter or passover. yet, we count on the postal delivery every single day. the postal service is an essential service. it brings medicine, drugs, medical equipment, food stuffs, essential documents to our houses every single day, every house, every business. and it is unfathomable that president looking at that service and understanding that it's insolvent and rapidly deteriorating because of the

pandemic. volume is collapsing. we saw 30% collapse in volume last week. by midsummer we expect to see half the volume we had before the pandemic. and all the revenue associates with that goes out the door. we have to keep the postal service going. so for president trum top decide he's not going to help because he believes they give a special deal to jeff bezos and amazon is unconscienceable. we need to infuse capital to the postal service like we have other businesses and industries to keep it going. to serve the american people. it's not a bailout. it is a rescue in the midst of this pandemic which is none of their doing. >> what would that rescue look like? how much is needed to make sure the postal service is able to stay afloat during this time?

>> so a unanimous vote last week the postal board which has three republicans and two democrats, several of which are appointed by trump himself, unanimously said we need $25 billion cash infusion right now to stay afloat because of covid-19 related lost revenue. we need $25 billion for infrastructure so we can modernize the postal service and make sure it up is and running when we need it. we need debt forgiveness of $14 billion and line of credit that is unrestricted. those are the four things. they're reasonable. we bailed out the airline industry with more money than that. and the airline industry, of course, have record profits the last five years and doesn't have a mandate for universal service. it gets to pick -- what routes they're going to serve. so i think it's a reasonable request. i'm urging my colleagues to include it in the next bill. and i would hope the president upon reflection would understand

that whatever his beef with a particular company ought not to color the work of the 650,000 postal workers in america who put themselves at risk every day. 1,000 of them have contracted covid-19 or presumed to. 20 have died. and 6,000 are out of work because they're in self quarantine because of exposure to covid-19. >> that is very clear -- congressman, it's clear where the president and his administration is on this question. my question to you then especially as you underline the need for this service especially in rural communities, do you think then that you will be able to get enough republican support inside the house to push this through to perhaps persuade the president to take a second look at this? >> i believe we can. you know, there are a lot of republicans who have worked with me and my democratic colleagues who care about this issue on comprehensive postal reform.

there are lots of republicans that have worked to preserve six day a week delivery. so this hasn't been a partisan issue. the only one that made it partisan is the president himself. and we need him to back off. we need him to rexac-examine wh is at stake here. >> i want to ask you one more question before i let you go, congressman. after the president fired two inspectors general you and representatives lynch and myrrh obie introduced legislation that protects the new chair of the pandemic response accountability commission. what would that look like? >> well, we want to insulate inspectors general from political interference. they're the last line of resort in terms of making sure we have objective neutral analysis programs, spending issues, graft, malfeasance, you name it. they're the ones charged with keeping everything else honest and clean. if you start politicizing that,

you're going to the very heart of the integrity of our government and oversight itself. we want to create seven year terms. and you can only be removed for cause, significant cause that is documented. and to make sure that those inspectors general are chosen on a nonpartisan objective basis based on professional credentials, not on political whims or political proclivity. >> all right. congressman, thank you so much for your time today. >> my pleasure. stay safe. >> you too. president trump is working on a second coronavirus task force to focus on reopening the economy. still medical experts warn that process of getting the country back to work will not be a one size fits all solution. >> it is not going to be a light switch that we say okay, it is now june, july, whatever, click. the light switch goes back on.

its going to be depending where you are in the country, the nature of the outbreak that you have already experienced and the threat of an outbreak that you may not have experienced. >> joining me now is josh letterman, nbc news national political reporter. josh, we're hearing a lot about this second task force. what is the latest? >> well, we know that president trump is putting this together. we expect to hear who is going to be on it in the coming days. it's not going to meet every single day like the coronavirus task force. we've been seeing them at the white house briefings. but also the cast of characters here is not going to be totally new. it's going to include people like mark meadows, the new white house chief of staff, the treasury secretary as well as larry kudlow, the head of the national economic counsel. these are people that are already advising the president quite regularly on these issues. and we know that when the president makes that momentous decision he's going to have to make about starting to reopen the country up, it's going to be

about taking all the advice he's hearing from the doctors, dr. birx, dr. fauci and the others we see at the briefing and combining that information with the economic advice he's getting from those who have a keen eye on the economy about what is needed to make sure that we don't move into really dark economic waters. >> right, josh, that is the exact tension. there is reporting from "the washington post" that president has been talking about wanting to reopen the economy and by may 1st, of course. health officials warning that could backfire. lead to another outbreak. where then does that leave this administration if there are these competing sets of advice? >> well, how exactly president trump is going to make that decision i think is anyone's guess. the but we know that the government has been working to be able to look on a really granular level at different parts of the country. it's very clear if you listen to dr. fauci and the others that it's not going to be like one day they say okay, the economy

is reopened. flick a switch and the whole country goes back to work. they're going to try to do this in really targeted areas, looking county by county at the data. not only the economic data but the health data to see where they can let the foot off the gas in places without creating risk that's come back of a resurgence of the coronavirus. so the goal is to try to compile as much information now to be able to make those really specific decisions and that, of course, involves getting a whole lot more testing in place. >> josh, the irs tweeted yesterday that it started depositing stimulus checks into american's bank account. you have some reporting about the number of checks that are going to be issued as soon as this wednesday. when should people start looking for those? >> yes. these are going to be rolling out across the country based on people's particular tax situation. we know the first payments have gone out. and by wednesday, a senior treasury department official tells me that at least tens of millions of americans will start

to get that money put into their accounts. later in april, people who are on social security should start expecting that money to go into their accounts. and for people who might need to get mailed a check, maybe they don't have a bank account, we'll be looking at may when the administration starts sending out the paper checks in the mail. >> all right. josh, thankses so much. up next, the fight over abortion access is going all the way to the supreme court. we'll get you an update next. plus, the curve may be flattening in some places. but there is still a long way to go for the doctors and nurses on the front lines. i'll talk to a nurse from a brooklyn er about what he is seeing. much that's next on msnbc live. what is that? uh mine, why? it's just that it's... lavender. yes it is, it's for men but i like the smell of it laughs ♪

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texas abortion providers on going battle is now heading to the supreme court. in their joint filing with planned parenthood, the center for reproductionive rights says it is vital that supreme court step in and protect the health, lives, and futures of texas women. this is an extraordinarily

difficult time but this is an easy case. texas is blatantly overusing the power to obliterate roe v. wade. joining me is pete williams. pete, great to see you. what is planned parenthood's argument here? >> well, the state really doesn't need to do this. most states like texas issued orders saying there can't be any nonemergency surgical procedures in the interest of preserving personal protective equipment and conserving hospital resources. but texas is alone among the states saying that applies to all formdz of abortion. so planned parenthood has twice sued a federal judge in texas, has twice said the ban is too broad. and the fifth circuit court after pales has twice overruled the judge. the question here is does this really fit the standard that the state said? is it really necessary to preserve these hospital and medical resources? and planned parenthood says no.

the fifth circuit has relented a little bit. they said that abortions can go ahead for women that are nearing the legal cutoff in texas which is 22 weeks of pregnancy after that point most abortions in texas would be illegal. so it is saying that women in that narrow window can go ahead. but the ban still applies to so-called medication abortion which is accomplished by taking two pills. so planned parenthood's argument is that medication abortions don't for the most part consume personal protective equipment and planned parenthood also says they're going to be more consumption, hospital resource it's women, for example go, into labor if they have to have further checkups as their pregnancies proceed. they say the states ban is counterproductive. so they asked the supreme court on wednesday to put a hold on the judge's -- the governor's order at least in so far as it covers medication abortion and what will usually happen here is the supreme court will ask texas for a response and then at some point issue a ruling. so wale have to wait a couple

days for this. >> i was going to say, given the time sensitive nature of what we're talking about, do you have a sense of tlinl on thtime line? >> the executive order in texas, governor abbott, expires april 21st. it is likely he'll continue it. what planned parenthood is time is of the essence. they already had to turn away hundreds of women that had to go as far away as colorado to get abortions and that exposes those women to further risk of being contaminated with the coronavirus. so thi they want the court to act quickly here. i suspect we'll get some resolution of this in the next several days. i would certainly be surprised if there isn't some resolution in the supreme court by the end of the week. >> pete, since i have, just quickly, give us a sense of how the supreme court is hearing cases given the necessity for social distancing? >> sure. the answer is easy. it's not. the supreme court has called off all oral argument for march. it's done so again for april.

and then the question is what's it going to do with all those case that's it hasn't heard yet? now the court did say it will decide the cases that it's heard. there is biggies in march and april. there is this question of access to president trump's financial documents and this whole question of for presidential lekt rats. and those are important cases. and you won't hear any of them. and they trying try to figure out a way to conduct organize argument the other way courts have by using telephone conference calls. but how that resolved, i don't know. the court hasn't said. i don't think they decided yet. >> pete williams, thank you so much for your time. >> you bet. >> on the front lines, nurses and doctors are fighting the ultimate battle. they're trying to keep themselves safe and healthy both

physically and mentally. they're being pushed to the limits. >> i'm a little emotional because i've been at nursing for over 30 years. it's probably the first time i've ever seen that we haven't been able to comfort the patient as much of as we can because it's just no time. there are not many more patients zblcht the health care system as a whole is under so much stress. and, you know, when you talk about resources, it's bigger than talking about ppe and just about ventilators. it's bigger than the concrete aspects of resources. >> one of the biggest resources that we feel is being stretched to the limit right now is people, nurses, physicians. the. >> i'd like to welcome an emergency room nurse in brooklyn. a member of aft nurses and health professionals. thank you so much for your time. you know, we heard a lot coming out of new york. . tell us where you're working in brooklyn. what is your day to day like? >> thank you for having me this afternoon.

so my day every day, i end up at the hospital. i take a number of very, very critical patients. i work primarily with patients who are on ventilators with covid-19. it's extremely stressful. there's a lot of physical and emotional issues that i'm dealing with. one of the most difficult parts is that you're dealing with people who are at the end of life because of this illness. and there's nobody there for them. there's no family members. and in the midst of trying to save lives, you're answering telephone calls from family members who are desperate for information. and it's just really leaves you with an overwhelming sense of sadness. >> i can only imagine. how do you comfort those families?

how do you comfort those patients? and how do you make sure to take care of yourself in the midst of all that? >> right. so some of the things that i do, i mean, i talk to my patients when i'm in the room. even though they're, you know, on ventilator and they're sedated, i try to keep that connection both physically touching and talking and as far as myself, i'm very blessed to be part of the federation of nurses uft who has been very, very helpful with support groups. they're conducting two support groups a day for our nursing staff, providing over 4,100 meals for our nursing staff. so we feel very supported. we also feel supported by our hospital administration. i know it's overwhelming for myself, for my co-workers. but everybody is given 100% and we're doing remarkable work.

>> we've heard a lot of talk about the possibility that new york is plateauing. does it feel that way in the hospital? does it feel like you're turning a corner? >> you know, it doesn't. i worked yesterday. and, again, it was a day of, you know, 12 hour shift, going from one crisis to the next. overhead, you hear, you know, the cardiac arrest notification going off. and it doesn't feel like it's slowing down. and now, you know, i hear every day it seems like i'm hearing somebody else i work with is getting sick or somebody they know passed away. and it's hard. but, you know, we're nurses. we're strong. and this is what we do. and so we're working very closely with all the support staff, the doctors, nurses, everybody to try to get through this pandemic. >> all right. howard, thank you so much for your service and for your time today.

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nursing homes are taking care of those most vulnerable to the virus. and many staff members are doing so without the proper protective equipment. let's bring in xascott larue, h runs several nursing homes in the new york area. scott, thank you so much for joining us. the danger is so high to patients that you have adviced family members at some of your facilities:if they can to take folks home. why? >> yes. what i was saying is if somebody was -- had an option of going into a nursing home or having a rehab that could be delayed, you're much better off having your loved one remain at home where they're in isolation and in nursing home no matter how

good the infection control procedures, are you're still in a communal environment. and you're always going to be safer, more isolated at home. unfortunately, not many families are in a position that they can take their loved ones home. and bringing them home and then bringing in home health aides from the community is not a solution because they have the potential of bringing the virus into your home. >> some staff members at your facilities have been forced to wear rain ponchos. others given m-95 masks for a week due to dwindling supplies. what is your concern at this moment? >> today is a very difficult day. this morning i was notified that one of our nurse's aides that worked for us for 18 years on the 3:00 to 11:00 shift at our nursing home in the south bronx has passed. and it's the second death that we've had. i have two more, a home care nurse and in icu and this is

partially because we didn't have the proper protective equipment to protect those nurses when they were in there trying to care for our patients. so if i had a message, and it's really to all the nursing homes across the country who have not yet experienced what we've experienced here in new york, if this country wants to do something to reduce the mortality rates in the nursing homes, they need to get the proper ppe to the nursing homes. they need to get testing. i don't understand why the route with drive through tests, testing people in the community who are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms when we did not have the sufficient test ws we needed in the nursings homes. why are we deploying those so we can reopen the economy when they could be redeployed to our nursing homes to i can test my staff. if i knew who had the virus and you know they're asymptom at uk and still have the virus, i need

to know who has the virus. i need to know which of my residents have the virus so i that can isolate them and properly treat them. bout without testing and without the resources of the ppe, we're fighting a silent killer that is very difficult to manage. >> of so paint a picture for us. in the absence of the resources, in the absence of tests, in the absence of proper protective equipment, what are you doing to keep those you employ and those you care for safe? >> well, we've been fighting like crazy leaving no stone unternd to get our ppe. i have to say that our health department and the governor of new york has been very helpful. they're in an impossible situation. there was only so much ppe and someone had to make a decision where it went. but by putting the nursing homes in a secondary position both at the federal level for not nationalizing the supply system, we jeopardized our patients' lives and we jeopardized our

employees' lives. and that ppe has to go to the nursing homes. we're caring for the same patients with covid-19 that the hospitals are less the ve ventilators and we're doing ut witho it without resources. i have six days of ppe on hand at this point. there were certainly times i had none of certain types of it or had less than one day. but if we want to be serious about this conversation and saving lives in nursing homes across this country, redeploy the tests to the nursing home and the ppe. use the technology of the rapid test so you know when staff is coming in whether they're positive or not. and then be prepared to supplement the staffing at the nursing homes when your care members become ill. i have 102 care members that are positive with covid-19 and i have 300 or so that have what are called puis, patients under

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thank you. that is some sound effect of applause and whistles. thank you. thank you. thank you engineers. hey all you cool cats and kittens. ever since being diagnosed i have been more like america's dad than ever before. since no one wants to be around me very long and i make people uncomfortable. this is the first time i've worn anything other than sweat pants since march 11th. >> last night, saturday night live broadcasted from home with tom hanks as the host. the cast members chiming in on their computers might have reminded you of what so many families are doing across the country, coming together digitally to create memories and celebrate the spring holidays. with passover beginning earlier this week and easter today, americans are going to new,

creative lengths to spend fa face-to-face time with loved ones virtually. with me is the author of gathering apart. >> i was down here doing this, i was on a zoom with my entire family checking in for easter. it's fun. it is not the same as being all together. how do we make these digital gatherings more meaningful? >> before we were on, i was also watching andre live at 1:00 p.m. singing with my stepsister watching the same thing. both of us crying. i think one of the things that we are all trying to figure out is how do we even together apart do we connect with the people we care about in meaningful ways. it's a strange time to have written a book called the art of

gathering when the world is ungathering. one of the things, i'm a conflict resolution facilitator and the core of my work is in groups. i help people connect meaningfully. i usually do that offline. we're in a moment we're all trying to do that online. how do you despite the difficulties connect meaningfulfully? last week the new york times launched this podcast called together apart. every week we take on one person's gathering dilemma. how do i host this baby shower, together apart? how do ahost a wedding? do we cancel the wedding or move forward with it apart? the first episode was a woman named ellen, who for after 35 years of gathering with the same

people had to figure out how to do it over zoom. >> you have talked about as we're going this, there's the possibility of zoom fatigue. what is that and how do we avoid it? >> zoom fatigue is when you spend many hours a day on various zoom calls. this is the technology that was developed primarily for work meetings, for business meetings. i believe they have grown to 200 million users over the last month. something they were not expecting and we were not expecting. many of us with who have high speed internet or wi-fi is able to connect through zoom have do downloaded this app and spend from 7:00 a.m. connecting be teachers to then getting on zoom with meeting after meeting after meeting if dwroyou're trying to

manage work to a zoom happy hour and zooming into read a good night story to your nephew. you're toggling all day long through a screen. it can be tiring even if each zoom call can be meaningful. >> you raised such an important point. there's a privilege diff differential. if you do not have access, how do you stay connected in the moments? >> first of all, the land line. for those who don't have land line or a cell phone, that's the most difficult. our elderly and seniors who can't connect to at all, that is some of the most painful experiences that we're facing. the land line is this technology that has made a comeback.

not only with those who don't have digital technology but also those who do. the land line is back was written a couple of weeks ago. if you only have a land line, you actually have to think about a conversation. we don't have all this other distraction. i know family who is are reading books to each other over the land line. i know families who are calling every day and singing songs together over the land line. as long as you have a tether out into the world. to think about creative ways before february or march, we weren't using it in that specific way, to actually think about who is in my community, who needs the most dacare and wt is the simplest way through language to reach out and have a meaningful conversation with them or to play cards with them. at some level we're all trying to invent new forms of coming together with the technology that we have.

one of the things that is most interesting about this moment is unlike pandemics more than 50 years ago is even while we're huddled, sheltering in place with our own family, we have technology whether it's a phone or whether it's an internet connection to connect with each other in ways previous centuries didn't. it's on us to begin to think about the remarkable ways and they can be simple, that we can still use that technology to be together. >> thank you so much for your time. that wraps up it up nfor this hour. joshua johnson takes over at top of the hour. we'll be answering questions about the coronavirus and economic impact of the pandemic. i will be back at 4:00 p.m. eastern. i'll talk to former colorado governor about the 2020 election and how to keep voters safe this fall. we're oscar mayer deli fresh, and you may know us from your very first sandwich, your mammoth masterpiece, and whatever this was.

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