hey, there. i'm joshua johnson at msnbc world headquarters in new york. good to be with you on easter sunday. this fourth day of passover for another look at coronavirus across america. later we'll answer your questions about the pandemic. we begin with an easter like none this country has ever seen. america has lost nearly 22,000 people to covid-19. more than half a million people have been infected.

many of us are trying to deal with the fall out on one of the holiest days of the year for christians and jews. the story of easter and passover are about overcoming death. what does it mean for believers to maintain their spiritual connections at a safe social distance? that's one issue we'll get into this hour with our team of reporters across america. now, on any other easter sunday, worshippers across the united states would be gathering in person to mark this holy day. in the age of coronavirus, most houses of worship have been forced to close their doors to keep their parishioners safe. here in new york city, st. patrick's cathedral held mass live stream. >> your company, your unity in faith and prayer, believe me, adds to the comparable joy of this easter morning. we miss you, though. we would rather you be here

physically, and i hear you miss us. >> in atlanta, georgia. the ebenezer baptist church celebrated with people in their living rooms. >> put on your suit, put on your gloves, go downstairs, sitz on the sofa and let's worship god together. he is risen, as he said. >> at lakewood church in houston, texas, tens thousands tune in. the service included a special appearance by mariah carey. >> we find ourselves in a unique time where we can't celebrate together. i'm grateful so many of us are staying home and staying safe. ♪ when you feel like hope is strong ♪ ♪ look inside you and be strong ♪ >> also in california, the los angeles branch of hill song

church held worship and prayer with church goers sharing the power of god through the internet. looks like most of florida's churches are celebrating online. technically they are allow eed worship in person under the stay at home order. it lists churches as essential services. they are allowed to stay open during the pandemic. this comes as florida's coronavirus case load approaches 20,000. the death toll could hit 500 soon. nbc sam brock joined us. have any churches been testing the limits of that stay at home order? >> reporter: joshua, good afternoon. for the most part in south florida the answer to this question is no they have not. it's true, the archdiocese are streaming online. it'ssbyterian

churches. in south florida, they are following what many faith leaders are saying is common sense. stay home and stream. there are other parts of the state of florida where it's a very different picture. i'll take you to orlando now where the center arena church had been flagged because on palm sunday the pastor there convened hundreds of people and was seen on video touching them and praying with them in way not abiding by social distancing guidelines. fast forward now to today, once again, they were convening. we saw hand sanitizers in the video. some of the folks there, the musicians staff were wearing masks. not the pastor. the camera angle never pans into the crowd so it's hard to see how many people were there or where they were sitting. you see spaces in between parishioners then something else happens that definitely violates what the governor set out which is the space between people. take a look at this. >> be healed right now.

be healed right now. in my soul. take it now. ♪ ♪ his blood has made me whole >> reporter: that happened this morning. you did hear the pastor referencing social distancing. visual lly showing himself sanitizing his hand at various points in the ceremony. that does conflict with what you just saw from this video this morning. i would turn your attention to the fact there's an area in tampa, pastor convened 500 people two weeks ago. he was arrested at the time because he was breaking code. he decided after everything that's happened he was not going to convene but live stream. a lot of attention there.

either way, many places throughout florida observing the common sense and guidance. >> this is becoming quite the debate over church and state. thanks very much. some christians in pennsylvania are resorting to unconventional ways of celebrating easter this year. the state has more than 22,000 cases and more than 500 deaths. still, social distancing has become a must even on this holiday. nbc maura barrett joins us. how are the folks you talked to handled today? >> reporter: three local churches new motto is come as you are in your family car to this drive in theater that posed as a church. there were five easter services across three different churches. ch church goers expressed they were

appreciative to have the opportunity to get out of their house, get fresh air and celebrate the easter holiday while social distancing. each family, each church goer stayed in their own car. tuned in to the radio frequency to listen to the service. the pastor stood up there and a band played music. people were able to enjoy and celebrate the easter holiday. all the cars honking together at certain points in way to say amen. i talked to the pastor ahead of services yesterday. pastor casey and he told me about the message he was going to bring. take a listen. >> there's hope on the other end in the darkest hour. we have been trying to encourage people there's a light at the end of this. there's new life at the end of the season. the season will come and encourage each other to be faithful, to check in on our neighbors, take care of the community, to keep being the

church even when we're dispersed a bit more than we would like to. >> reporter: a lot of pennsylvanians looking for that light at the end of the tunnel of this pandemic as experts are looking at an apex here in pennsylvania this week. here in the lehigh valley they have seen higher rates of infection anywhere in the state. almost five times the statewide aver raj. the health department is looking at this area of eastern pennsylvania just across the border from new jersey. they are looking at a site for a new mass testing site as well as a temporary hospital. they cannot get a handle on how much positive cases there are in the state without the testing. they can't get treatment from there. those are the first two steps until we can begin to look at reopening businesses as a lot of people are talking about right now. >> thank you. the bible says make a joyful

noise unto the lord. it included car horns. the state is approaching 13,000 cases. more than half of its residents identify as christian. it is understandable why some churches found way to hold service from the comfort and safety of their cars. priscilla was at this service in spring, texas. we heard from maura about a church in pennsylvania that did something similar. the pastor at the church that you looked in on held these in person easter services. that's despite a county wide stay at home order. what changed the pastor's mind? >> reporter: the pews were not full, joshua, but the parking lot sure was as parishioners were able to drive in and still have worship service. initially going back to when stay at home orders were first put in place, we talked about florida early on, churches were

not deemed essential businesses in the county and houston area. this pastor and others filed a lawsuit saying that was infri e infringing on their first amendment rights. the governor said that churches could be deemed essential services but the encouragement and advisement is they would hold remote services when possible. this pastor decided to hold a drive through service to honor the ordinances that local officials have issued but also to acknowledge the role that religious leaders will play in this pandemic. take a listen to what he said. >> we're practicing social distancing. we're using wisdom but we thank god for the governor, greg abbott of texas that he deemed the church as an essential service like in a hospital. we believe the church is like a hospital in the spirit. >> reporter: that lawsuit is still ongoing.

i spoke with the lawyer on that case. he said the key issue, the broader issue is pres decedent. if this happens again or the coronavirus remerges and city vs to go to the stay at home orders, he wants to make sure the precedent for churches is something they agree with and believer in. he held services last weekend. he did it again today. he said he will go it again, the drive in services. >> i want to give you credit. i notice you adjusted your mask. you did it by not touching front. you touched the side. thank you for being a good example on that. that is pri siscilla thompson i spring, texas. coming up, we'll highlight some american heroes. after easter sunday, how about be still monday. we'll tell you about a new effort in new jersey to encourage social distancing.

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many workers have been on the front lines since this pandemic began risks their health to serve their communities. those include grocery store workers. some of which have gotten infected or killed by covid-19. that sparked protests for better pay and more protection. now a number of states require face coverings inside of essential businesses. some corporations are starting to set policies to protect employees. if more of these workers it feels like too little, too late. >> reporter: marie long works the register and stocks shelves at dollar general in north carolina. >>ful like i'm going to get it. >> reporter: she says she's putting her life on the line for $10 an hour. >> the minute people start walking in, the anxiety starts.

>> reporter: dollar general says it's doing extra cleaning every night and giving bonuses to all workers but long still worries. >> we didn't sign up for this. >> reporter: several workers if other stores have died, including a supermarket greeter. >> she cared. she loved. she didn't judge anybody. she said nobody is showing up at the store. i want to go help. they should have known. >> reporter: he worked at walmart for 15 years. his family now filing a wrongful death lawsuit alleging the company failed to protect workers and didn't notify them when other employees began showing symptoms. walmart says it's heartbroken and was sanitizing key areas and has since done more. it's one of many companies who say they are putting additional safety measures in place like sneeze guards, more personal protective gear, reducing the number of shoppers allowed in side, one way aisles and a six

foot distance between customers in loonine. >> i feel like essential means exhausted and expendable. i don't feel essential. >> reporter: for the price they pay on the line. the new york tristate area including new jersey and connecticut continues to be hardest hit. new jersey has the nation's second highest number of cases. more than 2300 known deaths. new jersey governor has ordered various measures to slow the spread. those include cutting mass transit capacity in half. in newark the mayor is asking businesses to reduce their capacity voluntarily by closing one day a week. they are calling it be still mondays. nbc lindsay reiser is in newark with more. how does that work? >> reporter: consider it like a

stricter quarantine. there are some people who are adhering to the shelter in place. you can see in the street behind me on easter sunday, normally people would be here in their sunday best coming to and from church. you know you can see there's really not a ton of people outside. still, the mayor of newark says it's not enough. you know they have been hit hard. they are still seeing an increase in cases about 1 to 200 cases every day. they are reporting about 2500 cases, 131 deaths. new jersey is the second hardest hit state. that's why the governor announced the two executive orders yesterday. the second sb the face coverings. anybody that wants to go to the grocery store or take out, they need to be wearing a face covering or if they work there. the mayor is taking that one step further with these be still mondays. he says if you're not a cop or a nurse or a firefighter, you should be staying home. he's been on the phone with businesses to try to get them to

comply, encouraging people to take this seriously. i asked why it's so important at this juncture. >> a lot of the essential employees are the community you talked about, black and brown people. we're the essential employees. we're riding on these buses. we crowd on the buses. crowded up cleepi incleaning up buildings. we're working in the pharmacy. we're the cashiers, the cleaners. we want them to go home, to have a break, to not be infected by the virus. not be so close to us. >> reporter: even those places deemed essential. the grocery stores and pharmacies, he's asking those places to give their employees a day off every monday starting tomorrow. the majority of people who have contracted the virus have been between 30 and 50. he believes it's behavior driven and some people aren't taking it

seriously enough. joshua. >> thank you. >> doing the right thing. adjust adjusting her mad from the side and not front. we are two for two. social distancing can be really tough on children especially kids with special needs. this week a young man with cerebral palsy got some comfortable in a special way and all it took was a fire truck. from west palm beach, florida, l we have the story. >> reporter: fire trucks lined the street. the call is for someone who needed cheering up. >> he came to the balcony. >> reporter: her son has cerebral palsy. he's been cooped up ntinside fo the past month. >> he has bubbles. he's known as bubble boy. >> reporter: she's a principal at a local school and one parent was worried about cory during the stay at home order.

so the parent's husband, lieutenant made a visit to cory. ♪ we all need somebody to lean on ♪ >> i thought they were going to drive by and wave. it was magical. suddenly, the fireman is right at the balcony. >> we wanted to bring a little sunshine to his day. >> reporter: he says it's a small act of kindness they could do for someone right now. he says for cory, this is exactly what he needed. >> what they did was saved his spirit. it was one of those moments where everything comes together and you can go, you know what, this adversity has a silver lining. >> hopefully our kindness is contagious. we might be able to inspire others ♪ we all need somebody to lean on ♪ >> that was wptv miranda christian reporting. up next, every week brings

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it's msnbc's look at coronavirus across america. i'm joshua johnson. we begin the hour asking how the nation is doing. for the rest of the hour, we'll ask what you want to ask. please keep the questions coming. you can e-mail us, talk@msnbc.com. before we get to your questions, let's get the latest on this outbreak. america has more than 540,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus. more than 21,000 people have died. that is more than any country in the world. today in new york, governor andrew cuomo announced the states death toll has passed 9,000. president trump is preparing to name the members of his new

opening our country task for. he like many americans are eager for this to be over, for coronavirus to be behind us. that may not come for a long, long time. here's what the world health organization special envoy told chuck todd this morning on "meet the press." >> we're not so sure it will come in waves in the way that influenza comes. we think it will stalk the human right for quite a long way to come until we can have a vaccine that will protect us and there will be small outbreaks that will emerge sporadically. >> also, dr. anthony fauci said the u.s. could have saved more lives if it started fighting coronavirus sooner. >> obviously, if we had right from the very beginning shut everything down, it may have been a bit different. there was a lot of push back about shutting things down back then. >> finally, good news for the united kingdom. its prime minister will continue

his fight against covid-19 out of the hospital. he's left st. thomas hospital in central london. johnson was admitted last sunday for per ssistant symptoms. let's get to some of your questions. remember, as always, our knowledge is evolving. what you hear from us today, might conflict with what you heard before. nothing we say can substitute for the guidance of your doctor or your financial adviser. with all that in mind let's bring in our panel. good to see you. let's dive in with questions.

sally says i'm 68 with hypertension. i have no contact with anyone except grocery stores, et cetera. if i make it through this round of isolation without contracting covid-19, how long do you expect i will have to isolate? forever, until a vaccine is here? >> that's great question. i think it's the question we have on all of our minds. i would offer that some of the decisions might be taken out of her control. we're hoping we will get some guidance on this and it won't be a slight spiwitch from one day the next. she did offer her age and her underlying hypertension. those are factors to take into consideration as they place her at a higher risk. she needs to consider the amount of virus transmission in her

community in is a conversation we were having two months ago but it's still relevant now. of course, to take into account the degree, if any, of antibeside testing available for surveillance to understand the true prevalence in her area. i think she's going to get guidance as we all hope we'll get some guidance about next steps once we begin this process of reentry. >> i'm glad you mentioned testing. that seems to be the hottest of hot topics. let's get to this question from joe. are rural areas most vulnerable. the populations are small so it's easy to be ignored in the first place and the scary lack of medical care makes the situation worse. >> joe asks a great question. we really have been lacking

surveillance testing. bhauz you have one case or no case doesn't mean community transmission hasn't been happening. it's very likely that transmission has been ongoing and there may be many more cases. also in these rural areas there are issues with hospitals having closed staff, health care workers not being able to be recruited to these areas and many people who live in rural counties also face disparities. this makes the case for two things. one for widespread testing that we need so much more of and two, for strengthening our health care system overall particularly in those areas that are the most vulnerable and most disadvantaged. >> i would imagine these same disparities would exist in certain urban areas. you were the health commissioner for the city of baltimore which

has johns hopkins and areas like health care deserts in parts of the city. >> yes. there are areas in our city that have a 20-year difference in life expectancy. you go from one neighborhood to another that's just a few miles away and somebody could expect to live 65 years or 85 years depending only on the zip code that they happen to be born into. these disparities have a lot to do with systemic racism and inequitities that have been present for many years and they are present in every aspect of health care. it's not surprising that covid-19 brings out these disparities. it calls attention to why we have to fix the acute issue that we have now which is this new pandemic but we have to address these underlying problems including systemic inequities in our health care system. >> let's talk about what the future outlook looks like.

i was so struck by that clip we played from the guy from the w.h.o. where he described coronavirus as a virus that stalks the human race for quite a long time to come. william had a question about the long term outlook for this fight against covid-19. here is william's question. getting a negative coronavirus test is somewhat reassuring. however, in the days that follow, you might be exposed to someone that is positive. how often can you be re-tested and on what grounds? until a vaccine is developed with basketball players have to get the 15-minute test before and after each game or practice and avoid contact with the public? >> we don't have the answer to that. i think the comments from the world health organization is true. i think it will be a long adaptation process for all of

us. the fact of the matter is we can expect to be affected by covid-19 for many, many months. until a vaccine can be distributed widely and is effective in preventing covid-19. we'll be facing lots of restrictions we couldn't have imagine. people will have to get retested. for one thing, there may be mutations in the virus that will cause us to be susceptible even if we had it before. we don't know about the immunity, how long it will last. as we're flying the plane, we're

putting the wings on because we don't know a lot of the information that's germane to the question that william is asking. it's going be a long time that brings us this very important point, which is how do people adapt to long term restrictions, not weeks, not a couple of months but maybe much longer than that. what does it mean for schools, education, work and everything else that's important in our lives? >> i can't quite fathom what that will be like. dr. azar, a few seconds before we pause. how confident are you as a clinician that you'll be able to administer and or order a covid-19 test when you want it within the next year or six months? >> i thaought you were going to ask me within the next few weeks. >> i crazy but i'm not that crazy. >> i can tell you that. six months to a year i'm more optimistic about that.

i am. i am. aen antibody testing needs to be scaled. i think there's 70 different developers in the mix now. i'm sure within hospital systems and health care workers getting tested as a priority probably and then other segments of the population. >> more medical questions to come. we'll get back to you. still to come, tens of millions of americans could get coronavirus relief money by this wednesday. where do we stand in helping companies make payroll and helping you make ends meet? we'll answer your financial questions, next. my gums are irritated.

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the checks are in the mail. the coronavirus relief checks. the irs sent out the first waver this week. yesterday the agency tweeted it will issue payments as fast as it can. the first pay outs will go to people who filed for 2018 and '19 and authorized direct deposits. when will more funding come? talks on capitol hill for $250 billion in relief have stopped. republicans and democrats are at logger heads over small business lending. . let's bring in the panel to answer more economic questions.

jamie asks i've not filed my 2019 taxes yet. most years i owe money. my bank info is not on file with the irs. i read a couple of weeks ago the federal government was going o the create a website for americans to go to and input their direct deposit info. has this happened yet? if not, is the website still coming and when? i cannot wait 20 months for the relief check. josh. >> great questions. there's one that's an irs website for people that don't normally file tax returns but will need to file what they are calling a simple tax return in order to get the coronavirus stimulus payments. that website is up. you can fill out that form now.

there's a desperate web portal that the treasury department is working on where people who do not have their bank account on information with file. they filed but maybe they owed money instead of getting a refund where they can update with the correct bank account information to get the money direct deposited. that website will be up by friday. both of those websites you'll be able to find them by going to irs.gov/coronavirus. >> i'm looking on the web right now. if you go to irs.gov. there's a link that says get coronavirus tax relief. if you click that, there's a link that says what you need know about payments. click that and you can see if you're eligible for payment. you can get information, enter your payment info here. it should be fairly easy to click through from the homepage. josh, one more question. ron asks, the current backlog for processing claim s three to five weeks. the cares act bumped up unemployment but it doesn't go any good if a state cannot process the claims.

how are people to survivor? josh. >> this has been a huge problem for people trying to apply because there's a perfect tomorrow of the fact the unemployment system is inundated by these tens of millions of applications. they have to update all of their systems to account for this new federal additional unemployment created by congress and on top of that, all of the people from your local state unemployment office are stuck at home trying to deal with their kids and everything else. it's been difficult. we encourage people to be patient as the state unemployment offices take a few more weeks to process the claims and get up and running. if you're someone who has been laid off and you need ta money now, that patience will not be something that is easy to come by. >> sharon, we have a number of questions from people like michelle who have a number of questions about their specific filing situations. she and her husband filed in 2018 but they tried to file for 2019 because their income has

changed. their two adult kids filed separately. michelle wants know if the government will use the 2019 taxes and how long she has for the accountant to use the 2019 taxes before they can be issued checks. children. >> it's smart to look at what tax return will give you that benefit. if you don't have that, they'll go to the 2018 tax return. it's imper tiative to get that return in quickly. some of those direct deposits have started to be made into accounts. you want that $1200 or 2400 if you're a married couple. you need to make sure you have your 2019 files. >> chris asked, i heard finance experts address those concerned making contributions to 401(k)s.

i have not heard what to do if you're 62, 65, 68 and still working and not taking my pay outs. do we continue to contribute also, sharon? >> absolutely. if you're in your 60s you could still have deck indicates in retirement when you're not working. you'll want money somewhere that's growing. it's not growing now but it will contributing to your 401(k) is a way to do that. some companies are taking that away and then also if you can max out. put in the 19,500 or the extra 6500 and try to put as much none your account as you can. right now, stocks are low. prices are low. you want to buy as much as you can for the time when the market recovers and you can see that growth in that account.

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let's wrap up the hour. what do you need to know to improve your specific situation? we'll try to whip through as many of these questions as quickly as possible. a viewer asks a bronx zoo tiger tested positive for coronavirus and was thought to have gotten it from a zoo coopkeeper. can animals get the virus? >> it's possible. there's not a lot of information about that. there's been some intermediate reports that amitted the virus.

in general, i'd say that's not likely and waiting for more evidence. >> pharmacist told me to drink plenty of water because the covid-19 virus grabs on the the mucus cells in a person's mouth and nose. is this true? >> the short answer is keep drinking a lot of water is not going to be about to wash the virus out of your airway and get it into your stomach instead. that's the theory and that's not correct. >> i think what we know about coronavirus is it thickens the walls of a air filled sacs in your lungs that send oxygen to your red blood cells and make it harder for oxygen to get into the body. >> the last thing you'd want in your lungs is water. >> is there any correlation between our warmer weather and ke declining incidents of the virus? >> it's possible. the more likely we're seeing

flattening of the curve in so many places is we're practicing really good social distancing. continue to stay at home, shelter in place and we can all reduce the transmission of covid 19 to others. >> you're getting the animal questions. it's one of those sundays. do we know if the coronavirus can be spread by mosquitos? >> we do not know that at all. i would say there's no evidence that that is the case. >> is it safe to send letters to loved ones through the mail? >> yes. there's no evidence it's in quote, unquote, the postal system. if you want to be very cautious before opening your mail shs you can wipe it down with a disinfek disinfekdisi disinfect tant, wipe it down and open it with gloves. >> if you're really nervous, like it in an enclosed place for a few days and it should be dead. >> paper is probably similar and

its po rur rosty. >> is it any correlation with shingles? >> there is not. it's not related to covid-19. >> what kind of protective gloves are most effective? >> i don't think it matters much. the thing is to have some kind of material between you and whatever it is you're touching. then you still need to avoid touching your -- if you have gloves on, you still want to be avoiding touching your face after you've touched anything else. >> thank you all. i understand congratulations are in order for your newborn. fantastic news. all the best do you and the best to the little one. >> thanks for taking time for us. >> thank you. >> that's our look at coronavirus across america. coming up, president trump says

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covid-19 is becoming like a sniper in the viral war. >> we're seeing that. people who decompensate so quickly in front of us, alone

without the ability to have their family member by their bedside holding their hand. it takes a toll on us. even if you see it every day, it's not something you get used to. >> people are scared. people are sick. people are very sick. no matter what happens we're only a phone call away. we'll come for them no matter what and provide the best care we can. hello, every one. you can hear the strain this their voices. health care workers are on the front line. while there are signs social distancing is working, the crisis is very real for them. more than 20,000 people have died across the u.s. at last count more than 32,000 people have recovered. some doctors and leaders say that number shows progress is being made. that's the backdrop on this easter sunday. a holiday that usually brings millions of