no race or demographic shown to be immune. but even as we continue to grapple with this new normal and parse through what limited data we have to go on, we cannot simply gloss over the toll that this virus has already taken on a black community that was staring down poor health outcomes before all of this happened. add to that a virus that forces people to choose between staying home and staying alive, or going to work and possibly facing death. and it makes the most brutal sense that black america has become what some have called ground zero for this outbreak. it's a crisis within a crisis, a pandemic within a pandemic, and as numbers from the cdc and the public health community increasingly show, we are only just starting to understand the

unique dangers facing people of color. these disparities were already there, but they are now being acknowledged by the nation as a whole and as of this week by the trump administration. joining me now, you have seen him at most of the white house coronavirus task force briefings, dr. anthony fauci. dr. fauci, thank you, first of all, for being here. he is director of the national institute. he is the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases division of the national institute of health. thank you, dr. fauci. let me ask you right from the beginning, we are looking at, and you acknowledged in one of the briefings, that we have a real racial gap here in terms of impact, and though we're concerned about all impact, when we look at hispanics 29% of the

population, 34% of the deaths. blacks 22% of the population, 28% of the deaths in new york. in los angeles, hispanic are nearly 50% of the population, 28% of the fatalities. blacks are 9% of the population, more than almost double that of the percentage of the deaths, 17th. chicago blacks 29% of the population, but make up 70% of the deaths. more drastic numbers in milwaukee county, wisconsin, blacks are only 28% of the population, 73% of the deaths. louisiana -- i could go on and on. how do you look at this and explain the race gap and how are you and the task force looking into this as anything you can tell us that we haven't heard from the task force in 48 hours that you can add to this and

tell us how you intend to grapple while we are trying to, in many ways, flatten the curve generally, how we have to look at the particular flattening of the curve in the black community and communities of color. >> those are very important questions, reverend. the issue is, as i think you hinted at in your introduction, that is the situation with minority communities, particularly the african-american community, in which the underlying conditions that lead to a poor outcome with coronavirus disease, if you look at the need for hospitalizations, intensive care and death, it is very strongly weighted to individuals who are either elderly, but importantly, who have underlying conditions like high blood pressure, asthma, diabetes, obesity, and other underlying conditions. so if you happen to fall in a

group where there is a disproportionate amount of those already you are at a greater risk of the complications of coronavirus disease. and it just so happens, through years and years of situations that the minority communities have had to face, they are disproportionately represented in those populations with those risks. so, the fact that there is more infections because of a number of societal issues, housing, poor access to care, what have you, you super impose upon that the fact that as a community the african-americans have a disproportionately higher rate of those underlying conditions. this all ante dated coronavirus disease, but coronavirus disease has shed a really bright light on those disparities that we should, as a society, be

addressing long before an independent of coronavirus disease, but yet now we're seeing it hit us straight in the face that it's making a situation that's bad even worse for the minority communities, particularly the african-american community. >> and that's my point. this predated the coronavirus disease, but it is now in everyone's living room. everyone is seeing the, in terms of the disproportionate impact, and we can't leave this moment without dealing with it, and there are certainly societal problems. but what can you say we can deal with in the immediate to try to flatten this race curve? because when we talk about social distancing, well, many of the essential workers are disproper portion italy black and brown. they live in the urban centers disproportionately, use mass

transit. so social distancing for an example, which has been advised in many of us observing, is not an option for many people of color. so what can we do in the immediate to deal with the social realities of blacks and of browns, but particularly blacks given this data, to no fault of their own are the ones that are getting more of this impact than other americans? >> well, reverend, you mentioned things that are clearly important that's very difficult to do anything about. the status that they find themselves in with many of the jobs that they have. one of the things that we can do, and it may not be effective because it's very difficult to get around the conditions that you so accurately mentioned, but to the extent possible get them to understand and appreciate, not that they don't, because i know they are aware of the risks, that they need to protect as much as they possibly can, particularly the elderly

individuals with those underlying conditions. and i know sometimes with housing, reverend, it's not that easy to segregate people separately in a room when the housing that you are in doesn't allow you to do that. >> exactly. >> so, i mean, that's it. so to the best extent possible, to get people to realize that they need, where they can, to protect themselves because what they do, particularly the younger individuals, can inadvertently and innocently get infected and maybe have asymptomatic infection and bring it home to grandma or grandfather or uncle who has an underlying condition. again i'm saying this fully aware that it is not easy to do that given the conditions you find yourself under. >> would it also make sense that we have a lot more access to testing in those communities and to the mask and the gloves? i mean, we are talking about there are essential workers that

can't even get the equipment they need, and we need those things to be focused, that where the pain is one congressman pressley says, where the pain is, where the power ought to be. there ought to be a real clear abundance of testing and of the ppes in those communities that need it the most. >> you hit the nail on the head, reverend. i agree with you completely. and we need to make sure now that it's clear that this is a problem that's a real and present danger to the minority communities. we have just got to do that. and, i mean, this is something that we are now actively discussing at the task force. surgeon general jerome adams has been talking about that. we are shining a bright light on it. we have got do it. you are absolutely correct. you have got to bring the resources where the risk and the vulnerability is. >> let me ask you this. when did it occur to you in your capacity that this was a problem

that would reach pandemic proportions? we have reports about when washington was notified, the congress, the white house. when did it occur to you that we were in real danger here? >> you know, it occurred -- well, it was always this thought that there was some danger, but when we got to the point where it was clear that some of the misinformation that we initially got from china, because remember their first cases were reported at the very end of december. december 31st. they said it was something like 24 cases in this wet market, where these exotic animals are sold and there is a human/animal interface. the proposal made by the authorities in china where this was just jumping from an animal to a human, and it wasn't spread from human-to-human. then it became clear, when you look back, that it was likely in china that there was

human-to-human spread. by the time we got that information and we started getting cases here, it was, well, it's not efficiently spread from human-to-human. as soon as it became clear that there was community spread, which means that it isn't just a travel-related case, that there are cases that are in the community under the radar screen, then it became clear that we were in real trouble. >> when was that? around when was that? >> well, that was probably towards the middle to end of january. >> okay. and did you begin advising the administration and those authorities that we were, in fact, seeing something different here and this could be a major problem at that time? >> you bet. and then that's when it became clear that there are a couple of ways of addressing that. you could either prevent or try to block the influx of new cases from out of the country, and already cases had come in from china, to try to say, that's it,

we got to stop that because now we already have cases here. and then it switched to europe. and when italy had their outbreak, it became clear that that became a danger. so that's when cases were cut off from coming in from europe and then, ultimately, the u.k. but by that time we had enough cases in our own country that the ability to do the containment slipped then into the need for mitigation and we saw what happened in new york. >> yeah, we were behind the ball. you mentioned new york. let me ask you this before i let you go. some people are talking, particularly if to the mayor of new york and others, about closing the schools down until the end of the term. not getting into the politics of that, from your professional vantage point as an expert that many in this country kind of look to you to give straight medical data and information, when do you suggest schools not open this semester around the

country? what do you need to see in order for you to be comfortable to advise the reopening of schools and the reopening of businesses? >> that's a very good question, reverend. it's going to be different from different parts of the country. right now in new york, you specifically mentioned new york, new york has had the worst week with deaths than they have had. at the same time we are starting to see some glimmers that things are stabilizing because the number of new cases, needs for hospitalizations, needs for intubations has flattened and gone down. so we're hoping we will see a decrease, a rather sharp decrease and decline in the cases in new york. but new york is still having a lot of problems. so under those circumstances i think one would be careful before you reopen the schools and perhaps, and again this is going to be the ultimate decision of the authorities, it might be better to let things just stop for this season and think in terms of going back in

the fall. >> all right. and we are going to continue talking with you as we deal with flattening the curve as well as the race curve because we are dealing with a particular problem in communities that this is too long been ignored. this one i do not blame on the trump administration, and i do blame a lot on them, but i won't bother you. i will respect you as a neutral party. but it is on that administration to now the light is on to let's do something about it. dr. anthony fauci, thank you for being with us, and thank you for taking the time on this easter. >> it's my pleasure, reverend, and happy easter to you. >> happy easter to you and your family. joining me is congresswoman barbara lee of california. she is a former chair of the congressional black caucus. congresswoman lee, you heard dr. fauci and he said they became alarmed mid-to-late january,

which was, i think, predated the administration even taking at least openly this as serious and starting to do things that would raise the real notice to the public that this is a real problem. they were still at that point trying to act as though this would go away. >> good afternoon, reverend al. thank you for the opportunity to be with you. i just want to salute and thank all of our essential workers first and honor them today and just thank them for really doing a remarkable job under such dire circumstances. you know, the moment our health officials, dr. fauci recognized this, that this was going to be a pandemic, i know they brought it to the administration. unfortunately, and you know and the record is there that the president called it a hoax. he downplayed it, and we lost a heck of a lot of time. so many people lost their lives.

so many people got sick. now we are trying to catch up. we see what is taking place. i am glad that he talked about that because he laid out a lot of the challenges that we're addressing now because we were late coming to recognize and develop the strategies that would have really saved a lot of lives. >> we're looking at even now the postal service is saying they are going to run out of money in the next few months, and then they are seemingly to be like that's all right. i can't imagine how many people in communities around the country working class people, communities of color, how will they survive without the postal service? and you are in congress. is there something that congress can do that would try to intervene here? >> we are trying to come up with our next bill and put resources in for our essential workers, which include our postal workers. we need to broaden the definition of essential workers

and front line workers. and i am telling you, ref repd, we tried in the last bill. for whatever reason, the republicans did not support that. we are fighting very hard to make sure that they are provided the protective gear that they need and everything they need to keep them safe as they do the essential workers of the country. many of these workers are black and brown workers. it's outrageous that we could not put funding in. but believe you me, we are fighting each and every day to incorporate that into the next bill. >> now, talking about the next bill, there are many small businesses in black communities and brown communities, and you represent one of the biggest in the country, that wiare having problem getting their sba money. they are not banking at some of the banks that are handling the money and some of those banks have said they are dealing with their customers. some of them are unbanked. how are we going to correct that in sterms of the stimulous bill

that has been passed and how do we deal with that in the second stimulous? i have talked to secretary mnuchin and others saying that we can't let all the money go and it be a disproportionate imbalance that affects those that need it the most in those communities of color where a large amount of the employment and services come from those small businesses. >> yes. and part of what we're seeing fl fluctuations. i was a small business owner for 11 years and i know exactly what is taking place. first of all, many of our businesses which are unbanked. we need a separate pool of money for minority businesses, women-owned businesss, disabled businesses, banks and koreans and new rules of the -- credit unions and new rules of the game. maxine waters and her committee have a strategy to incorporate into the next bill to make sure

those who have been shut -- and there are many. in my district very few minority owned businesses are able to access what we appropriated if the money is even there. and so we've got to, first of all, make it easier and stop these requirements of going to sba and making -- and the requirements that sba has to have a pre-existing relationship with a bank and then have all these hoops you have to jump through and we have to make it easy. we have to acknowledge that our small businesses, our minority-owned businesses have issues that they need us to address by having a separate stream of funding so that they can survive and thrive during this period. and it's unfair that we did not get that in this bill before because, of course, the republicans stopped it. but i have to, once again, say that congresswoman waters and all of the democrats are fighting each and every day to make sure that every business is included because these are extraordinary times and we have

to do business a new way. >> and these are businesses that can't survive if this is a prolonged period. so we have to be very aggressive about that. many of the civil rights communities with you and congresswoman waters and congresswoman bass on that. let me ask you this. i'm out of time. i must ask you, do you also want to see us start to prepare for mail-in voting so nothing will get in the way of the november election if there is a second wave of the pandemic? >> absolutely. you know, we have issues of voter suppression without the pandemic. we need to put in resources. we only put in -- or they only agreed to about 400 nil millions last bill. we need over $1 billion. we need to make voting easy, accessible, without the suppression that's been taking place because now we can see how this administration has tried to put up even more barriers to voting. so we have to fight hard and remind the public that we have

in our communities especially, we have to vote and we have to fight to make sure that we can provide for mail-in voting. let me remind you how important the census is. our community has to be counted in this next census in order to receive the resources that we deserve for hrk, schools, for housing, you know, for all of the infrastructure of our community. >> all right. california congresswoman barbara lee, thank you for joining us on this easter evening. >> thank you. joining me is the mayor of houston, texas, sylvester turner. mayor turner, thank you for being with us. happy easter to you and your family. let me start by asking you, a lot of the data is showing that we are seeing an increase in coronavirus, people being positive in the tests for coronavirus in the state of texas. how are you as a mayor preparing

for this? we see that confirmed cases shoot up in houston and around the state, but texas is lagging behind in testing. what are you doing to encourage large-scale testing in houston, texas? >> in fact, let me say it's good to be with you and your audience too, today. happy resurrection day. what i will say, texas is probably about the second at the bottom in terms of testing. what we do need, we do need more testing. up until yesterday, we have four approved sites in houston. we were given enough supplies, for example, for 250 tests per site, which would have been 500 for the entire city of houston and 500 for the county. as of yesterday, we were informed that fema is approving, doubling the number of tests that could be run at each one of those sites. now instead of 250, it's 500.

those are the public sites. there are some additional testing that's taking place with the -- in the private sector. congresswoman lee, for example, they have been very helpful in providing additional testing sites. but we need more. we know that there is more community spread. as of today, in the city of houston, we have about a 2,200 positive cases. but i know there is a lot more. in fact, i use the fact you take those 2,200 and multiply, let's say, by three, four, five, six. we know there is a lot more. so we -- and then i'm particularly sensitive to our vulnerable communities, communities of color, people who may not have the ability to get to those two testing sites. for example, in the city of houston may not have the transportation. so what we are going to do now is be very intentional about creating additional, setting up additional testing sites in

those communities close to those communities so they can be tested as well. but we do need much more testing in the city of houston, quite frankly, throughout the state of texas. >> so need a lot more testing. what are you advising people to do in terms of gatherings? board members there in houston with large congregations, reverend terry anderson, ralph west and others are doing viral services. but there were some churches that it had in-person services today. what are you saying to people about gatherings, about social distancing, and are you going to be as the mayor of new york, are you going to close the schools until this semester is over in the name of safety? >> well, for right now the schools in the state of texas are closed until may the 4th. i anticipate that that day will probably be extended. but with regards to social distancing, that's the number one message. as of march the, i want to say

march the 17th, we suspended the service at restaurants, bars and clubs, especially the dining facilities. on march 24th, the county as well as the city put in place a stay at homework safe order. so we have been encouraging people to stay home. even for this weekend for the easter weekend, we have closed all of the parks in the city of houston as well as in the county. most of our churches, and i will tell you probably about 95% of our churches, have gone to online streaming, faith services, zoom, you name it, but they have been cooperating. i am a member of pastor ralph west's church, for example, and we have been doing online streaming for the last two-plus weeks. same thing for most of our churches. i had a press conference with many of our black pastors, for example, just this past week. all standing together encouraging people to go online.

>> all right. thank you for being with us. houston mayor sylvester turner. thank you very much. >> thanks. now for analysis. let's bring in tara, a democratic strategist, and joe watkins, a former white house aide under george h.w. bush. tara, you heard dr. fauci in the first block. dr. fauci was, i think, dealing with in a forthright manner, yes, he is not denying there is the obvious with the data. there is a race gap in terms of the impact of coronavirus and they've got to deal with it and, yes, there are societal things that predated this administration, but this administration is going to have to deal with it because the lights are on it. many of us have been talking about this for decades. but here it is, and it has to be solved. do you think this is the moment that the congress and the senate and others need to have the pressure on them to really deal

with the whole questions of how we deal with equalizing health, services in this country based on race? >> well, absolutely. excuse me, reverend. i just had a work from home moment. pardon me for the disruption that just occurred. but to your point, and to answer your question, absolutely. we have to deal with it because now we are seeing the dire consequences of decades and centuries of systemic inequalities targeting the black community. and so we have to -- this is the moment where we have the opportunity to actually grapple with it in a meaningful way. just as people for years and decades said the federal government couldn't provide any kind of massive stimulus, that's not possible, that will never happen. well, in the same way that we've seen people come together to provide a massive stimulus, which i don't believe is enough and we need more, to be clear,

but in the same way they were able to find $2.2 trillion, which they said they could never find, we need to now address these inequalities that exist in our country. i think it's important for people to think about this the way they think about our frontline health care workers. we talk about how the health care workers are on the frontline. our health care workers are on the front lines and we need to support them and make sure they have the resources they need. well, black and brown americans are on the front lines not just as health care workers, but they are doing the jobs that keep the rest of us in a position where we social distance, self-isolate and self-quarantine. we are on the front lines, and so we need to afford that same level of respect, support to the black community, the brown community that we are to -- and reverence that we are offering to our health care workers. that needs to be applied to the black and brown communities that are allowing people to be safe

and survive during this time. >> and you can't, reverend watkins, say you love the front line responders, you love the first responders and then leave them without the ppe, without being able to protect themselves, and many of those black and brown workers that we have referred to with dr. fauci and that tara just talked about, they can't work from home. i mean, because the kind of work they do is not work from home, and we would have our cities, states, big and small, fall apart if they worked from home. so i think that this is something that is above partisan politics. we have got to flatten the curve in terms of the race gap in health. i know we can't do it all now because this is a societal shift, but we need to start moving that shift and we need to do immediate things from testing to servicing those communities that have been and still are neglected more.

>> loved what you said yesterda. you said this has nothing to do with politics. clearly, if you love your neighbor like you love yourself, you will practice social distancing. and i thought that was such an excellent message, especially for churches and for pastors around the country. i know because i'm a pastor. i pastor a church in north philadelphia and i have been there 21 years and i know just how important it is for ministers to set the right example by making sure that they practice social distancing and keep everybody safe. no better which ay to keep peop safe than to stay where you are, to stay where you are. now, we also know that in the black community we are disproportionately affected by covid-19. i am not just saying that from what i know academically or articles or your excellent program. i know this because of what happens to people even in the church that i serve. and i have got a church member, for instance, who is working

very, very hard to support himself and his family, and he lives in an apartment and he does the best he can, but in his apartment building, which is crowded, he has to share a bathroom with everybody else on that floor. so how do you practice social distancing? how do you not put yourself at risk when you live in those kinds of conditions? too often for people of color in poor communities, this is the case. it's hard to practice the social distancing that you need to practice because of your housing conditions and because of your lack of money. >> all right. i am going to have to leave it there. tara and joe, thank you for coming on with your analysis. >> thank you, brother. coming up, the coronavirus has underscored immense racial inequities in the health care sector, but how do we address it going forward? my next guest will try to answer that question. but first, my colleague richard r louie with today's top news stories. >> the news update for you. religious services taking place

across the globe on this easter sunday. but with a one striking difference. most people streaming services over the internet at home due to coronavirus. some americans found a way to get out of the house on this holiday and still add here to social distancing orders. a drive-in theater in pennsylvania was converted into a church with worshippers taking in services from their cars. more than 1,000 people were in attendance there. meanwhile, president trump continues to weigh his options as he ponders when and how to reopen the country. all 50 states are under disaster declarations right now with no end in sight. dr. anthony fauci this morning saying that a return to normalcy will take time, happening gradually, not all at once. also, the irs sending out the first batch of coronavirus relief checks. people who filed tax returns for 2018 and 2019 and authorize direct deposit will see their money first. more checks will be deposited by

wednesday. following dangerous storms in the south where more than 60 events of severe weather have been reported so far. one particular town in louisiana is recovering from a tornado that hit late this morning. at last check, more than 42,000 people there are without power and 18,000 more in neighboring texas. that storm system is expected to continue through early monday. i'm richard liu. more "politicsnation" after the break. stick around.

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♪ there are no silver linings to this coronavirus crisis. thousands dead. an economy hemorrhaging. jobs, they are hemorrhaging jobs as well as services. and a response compromised by

politics. and if there is one constructive development to come out of all of this, it's that because the already out-sized impact of the virus on black and hispanic communities increasingly born out by data in the cities across the nation, across the country, and even this white house having been forced to acknowledge that people of color are facing their own public health crisis long before the crisis hit. and it had nothing do with china. so the question is now, what specifically can and will this administration do about it? joining me now is dr. black stock, ceo and founder of advancing health equity. doctor, thank you, first of all, for being with me. >> thank you, reverend al. i am a huge fan of you and your work and advocacy. thank you for having me. >> thank you.

you and, i believe, 400 doctors sent a letter to secretary azar last week. you joined the lawyers committee on civil rights, kirsten clark, very strong advocate, and friends along with, as i said, 400 physicians demanding that hh secretary azar release the racial data surrounding covid-19. the letter reading in part, quote, this administration's alarming lack of transparency and data is preventing public health officials from understanding the full impact of this pandemic on black communities and other communities of color. what does that mean for a physician like yourself? >> the reason we need to release the ethnic and racial demographic data is because we need to know whether there are any discriminatory practices

involved in kcovid-19 testing ad care, and we also need guidance on how to orchestrate public health interventions as well. we know that black and brown communities are being targeted with this preliminary data. we also need to know the exact numbers. so that's why it's absolutely indefensible that this data has not been released yet. >> now, when i was talking earlier with dr. fauci, who has acknowledged there is this imbalance, one of the things that we would hope that this task force that he is a part of would also force hhs to release this data because again, i quote congresswoman pressley, second time this hour, that you have got to have the power meet where the pain is. you are a doctor. you do not medicate where the disease is not at in the body, and where it is most needed is where we need to really focus on it. we don't know that without the

data. >> absolutely. and we knew that even before this pandemic that our black and brown communities, specifically our black community, had poor health status due to the effects of structural racism. so when you have housing, employment, legal, you know, issues in the communities, we know that that affects the health status of those communities. so, as you mentioned earlier in the program, we are essentially putting a crisis on top of a crisis. and we know that these are the communities that are being affected the most and are being devastated. we also know that their public health intervention such as widespread testing we can bring to the communities, contact tracing, make sure that the essential workers where black and brown people are overrepresented are safe and have adequate ppe to wear to work. so there are interventions that can be made, but we need the data before we can make those interventions and we need to do

this in real time. >> have you or the lawyers committee or any of the doctors had a response from hhs and secretary azar? >> so, as of today, there is no response from hhs or secretary azar. there was a phone call on friday with the cdc director, dr. redfield, and some key stakeholders in the black community, and there was no mention on that call or promise about releasing the racial and ethnic demographic data. apparently, the cdc is still collecting the data but has not promised to release it. we feel like this is absolutely indefensible. we need to know this data. we need to know it now. >> all right. doctor, thank you very much for being with us. now it is easter, and on easter many families gather, and i come out of a civil rights family. my mother brought me to reverend william jones and reverend jesse jackson when i was 12. i grew up in the movement.

and in the middle of all of this coronavirus i called him to have his counsel as i was doing what i was doing, and he certainly has been active like he has been for decades. i want to bring in one of my mentors now, the reverend jesse jackson, president of the rainbow coalition. also dr. leon mcdougal, the president-elect of the national medical association. dr. mcdougal, before i go to reverend jackson, let me ask you this. you are the president of the national medical association, has been around over a century, representing black doctors and patients. what a lot of people are not seeing is as this pandemic goes south where there are a lot of elderly blacks, a lot of distance between where the hospitals are, we may seen an even worse problem in the southern states than we have

already seen in new york and some of the big northern cities? >> you are correct, reverend. that's the strength of the national medical association. we are in proximity to those communities, especially in the southern states, and when we spoke earlier during this discussion about the testing and the availability of data, we have joined the congressional black caucus and congresswoman robin kelly in demanding this information from the cdc. myself personally, i sent an email to the cdc and got the response that, well, there are some missing data, so that we are not able to release those reports yet. so, yes, this is important.

and i'd like to bring up another point, if i could, reverend. so, we're using technology and questioning to even tdecide on who gets the test. so there is the screen before the screen, and there is some evidence showing that african-americans, when they take that test, that test is not leading to them getting the actual nasal swab to be sent in for evaluation for covid-19. so there is even -- so there is a disparity in the screens. so that's another barrier to us having the opportunity to appropriately be evaluating. >> reverend jackson, you have brought this issue of health disparities and the imbalance in health services based on race

for decades. i can remember as a far back as when i was a teenager, a student of you, you were talking about it then. you brought it up in the '84 and '88 campaign. and now we are here and they are talking about they don't even have the data. give us your political analysis of what needs to be done, and as you always said to us, what the moral situation and challenge that this nation is facing given this imbalance? >> happy resurrection sunday to you. >> thank you, same to you. >> first of all, what is normal looks to be natural. this disparity is created by the conditions in which we live. some pastors had the church services. disastrous consequences. people have died.

please, please, don't go. secondly, we want to deal with the jails. 2.5 million americans are in jail. and jail. it's very congested. 200 people are workers. you and i talked to president trump, please test in all the jails because the jails are -- people are there on the jail side come out rather quickly, but the workers are there every day. some are called do not resuscitate. in other words, the doctor has discretion on where you should go or not. so there's the do not resuscitate. we have to -- it's comprehensive. in dallas they are filing a

lawsuit there dealing with people in jail who've been treated with medicines. lastly, the bureau of presidents bought a large quantity of untested medicine, they are suggesting they be used in jails. it's an experiment. >> right. >> in jails. we find that bureaus of presidents and the president's administration used both of these products. i think people are inspired to fight back. thank you so much. thank you for your good work. >> thank you very much and thank you for coming on on this easter day to help wrap up the show. reverend jesse jacks, dr. leon mcdougal, many thanks. coming up, my colleague chris jansen tackles new reporting that shows the president trump knew how severe the coronavirus threat was much earlier than was made clear to

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