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hi, en. good afternoon to you. i'm in for nicolle wallace on this very stormy day across the east coast, high winds have knocked out nicolle's camera and that's forcing us to get creative as we in the news have often tried to do in these unusual times. let me tell you what's going on. we're holding our collective breath as the president publicly staked out his most hostile position against the top
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scientists of the pandemic. we're talking about of course dr. anthony fauci. t this is one of the grimmest and toughest weeks yet and it all begins right now against the backdrop of donald trump using his massive twitter following to share a message that includes this provocative language. you see it there at the bottom. time to fire fauci. dr. fauci is without question among the most trusted medical experts government officials have at this time. firing him would not only destabilize the white house task force but raise fundamental questions about where we go next given the president's at times open battling with medical advisers. none of this has stopped donald trump from tweeting this message, firing fauci.
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a statement that mr. fauci made in an interview yesterday. >> i mean, obviously, you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier you could have saved lives. obviously no one is going to deny that. what goes into those kind of decisions is complicated. you're right, obviously, if we had right from the very beginning shut everything down it may have been a little bit different. there was a loft pushback on shutting things down. >> the sound you hear is dr. fauci giving you the straight facts, a declaration of what he thought would happen in those instances. all of this in the context of a response to the devastating investigation by "the new york times" of president are trump's disregard for a series of very straightforward warnings about this pandemic. warnings rolling in from beginning january to the beginning of march. critics say months were lost as
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the virus spread rampantly across the country. issues unresolved around the nation. from this report in "the new york times" let me read you a little bit of what's important. throughout january, as mr. trump repeatedly played down the seriousness of the virus and focused on other issues an array of figures inside his government, identified the threat sounded alarms and made clear -- the president though was slow to absorb the scale of the risk and to act accordingly, focusing instead of controlling the message, protecting gains in the economy and batting away warnings from senior officials. you see up on the screen, some of what their quotes led to, a drove of e-mails that shows early alarm inside the administration. like this from the cdc, first learning how there was asymptomatic spread of the
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virus, is this true? question mark, exclamation point, this official writes f so we have a huge whole on our screening and quarantine effort. "the new york times" going on to report out the president's failure to meet that moment at that pivotal point, again, reading from this report, quote, these final days of february perhaps more than any other moment during his tenure in the white house, illustrated mr. trump's inability or unwillingness to absorb warnings coming at him. he instead reverted to his traditional political playbook in the midst of a public health calamity, squandering vital time as the coronavirus spread silent aacross the country. we begin with our experts today. some of our favorite reporters and friends. byline on that investigative piece, julian barnes. also from the "the new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker and
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director of the national disaster preparedness center. hello to everyone. a lot in this piece, julian, what did your sources tell you about the cost of the president's approach? >> well, look, we had from this reporting the idea that they knew from public health officials, from national security experts, from even some people who are trade hawks, a message that this was going to be really bad and that e-mail that you put up there kind of hits the time frame exactly. a whole month before the country locked down, officials knew that that's what needed to be done and that's where dr. fauci is you can thatting about this time lost. a whole month that the quarantine, the social distancing, that could have been
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put into effect, but the whole plan to bring that to trump sort of blew up in its face the president short circuited that process and so we really lost some valuable time in putting together the measures that would have saved lives. >> this piece is meticulously reported. several colleagues on it as mentioned. for folks who have seen the headline, read part of it, as someone who's involved in reporting it out, to you what's the most important takeaway from where we go from here? >> well, i think what's really important to know is, you know, when the president says, oh, how could we have known? oh, we took the early steps to stop that. you know the reporting does not back that up. you know, there were warnings. there were repeated warnings. there were warnings from all kinds of different people.
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the national security council was on this. they were developing plans to have quarantines of cities should there be an outbreak and so, and the travel ban itself, kind of probably was too little, too late, the number one thing that trump points to when he sort of defends his actions so if trump today is questioning the health experts that have made good predictions about where this is going, that could put the country in danger again. >> doctor, your response to this piece? >> well, it's absolutely extraordinary and just to emphasize what other guests are saying, more than just the warnings started in january, there were warnings back in 2017 when there were studies done about the coming potential
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pandemic and then the president's own team did exercises a year ago, showing what would happen and what would to be done here. this whole thing has a crazy ring to it because the president is just misleading the public about what he did and didn't do. by the way, even his travel ban, in terms of people coming from china, yes, he called for it but at least 40,000 people "the new york times" reported this, 40,000 people still traveled after the president declared no travel from china, 40,000 people did make that are trip. so everything about this is wrong and dr. fauci is 100% correct that earlier action, more appropriate action around testing, public health measures, about the messaging, about hospitals being prepared to deal with this, everything he's saying is correct and we could have saved a lot of lives and a lot of grief for the american people if the president was
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paying attention much earlier than he actually did. >> peter baker, you listen to the doctor and he lays it out pretty clearly for viewers, the idea that the president was wrong, didn't handle it well and then had the worst possible reaction to this whole problem which is, to be angry with and talk about retaliating against the people providing the medical and scientific preparedness facts. with all of that stacked up, that view from the doctor, what does your reporting tell us about the state of dr. fauci's position and thissed a m ed a n administration's? >> good question. the white house' statement, the president isn't going to fire dr. fauci. this is all just media chatter. i have never seen the white house blame the bead ya for listening to president -- it
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raises obvious questions. there has been tension. the president at times has been frustrated with dr. fauci. d sometimes has a different message depending on the audience to the camera, in front of the president, they may or may not -- that's the thinking that goes on right now inside the west wing. it's hard to see how the president could fire dr. fauci. he's a civil servant not a political. he could be removed of course from the coronavirus task force by the white house or sidelined. i think that would be disturbing to a lot of his admirers.
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the doctor has much higher credibility than any politician. >> julian, do you want to weigh in on that? >> yeah, i mean, i think peter is well tuned to this white house. and that last point he was making is exactly right, you know the president must know that should he push dr. fauci out, push him off the task force, he immediately hands his opponents something they can crystallize an accusation against his leadership in this crisis. but the key question for me is, how much will we hear from dr. fauci going forward? will the white house seek to limit his appearances? or his appearances both in the white house briefing and his appearances on television? because that's so important to sort of getting an expert opinion out there, what we know
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about this disease changes day by day, finding out what dr. fauci and the other experts in the government think needs to be done is critical. so we -- as important as not firing him it's equally important not to muzzle him. >> the president's biggest defense has been that the worst warnings, the ones that were most clear that put you on notice, were things that he didn't see, like the navarro memos, your reporting says what about that? >> well, look, if you read this whole piece and i realize it's long but i urge people to give it some time to dive in and try to absorb it you see that -- yes, the president could say he didn't hear this message or hear that message. but a functioning white house needs to have, when your experts
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are delivering warning after warning, those warnings need to get to the president and, you know, you can go right to this february 23rd time, when they're realizing that there's asymptomatic spread of this virus, this is exact moment where you should crack down. now, they didn't get to the president to talk about that, but he shortcircuits the whole process of social distancing at that point and that's one key leadership failure opens up. i think you can look at the piece and we point out to other times where the message, you know, got into the president's daily brief. was talked about by key national security aides, where the health and human services secretary is speaking to the president about this, where senators are visiting the white house, so time and time again where these messages are being raised at
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high levels. >> let me take that point and my understanding, and we want to get yours, he had been put on notice far more than he acknowledged in terms of that defense and you have the receipts on that so to speak. dr. redlener, there are folks who are making sense of the medical facts and the risks to americans, this is an e-mail cited in the times reporting, january 28th, that's early on, talking about great understatements in history, that po wuhan, just a bad flu season, that was january, what does tell us about the gap, doctor, between the experts trying to raise the alarm any which way and what are they were getting
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back from the president? >> yes, by the way, julian's article was an extraordinary piece of journalism, because it gets into the detail of the absurd position to say that the president quote, unquote, didn't see the warnings or didn't read the memos, didn't listen to the briefings, is pretty shocking -- a pretty shocking statement. it's been well confirmed. with this and other issues. that's behavior by a president that i -- i don't even know how they can begin to admit that was the excuse for why he didn't get the country more prepared than it had been so it's hard to make anything of this other than this was a complete mess-up by the white house. starting with the president who's not known for truthfulness to begin with. but using an excuse he didn't see the memo for a situation like this is beyond the pale
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it's hard to know what to make of that, except we know these challenges that he seems to have with listening to expert advisers it's a deadly problem. it's no longer kind of mistake, this is a life and death matter that the president says he didn't see the memo about and in essence that's what this boils down to, that's shocking. alternative he did see the memo and ignored it which he's also capable of doing. we lost a tremendous amount of time in our ability to respond effectively to this incredible pandemic crisis. >> doctor, you say it's life and death matter, much of this controversy roilg because dr. fauci said as for the life and death, more death could have been avoided because of the way it was handled. it's that serious. thank you all for spending some time with us. when we come back, we have
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donald trump tweeting about powers he doesn't have. new york governor andrew cuomo is here live, next, making news. and the american medical association's top doctors lives could be lost if people listen to president. also, joe biden coming out and thanking longtime rival this year bernie sanders for moving him closer to the nomination ever before. where the campaign goes from here. all those stories coming up on "deadline: white house." liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ aand we're here for you -ry day fespecially now,rs. doing everything possible to keep you connected. through the resilience of our network and people... we can keep learning,
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the state of california is putting together a bottom-up plan, framework for targeted interventions and easing of restrictions in this state the spirit of collaboration, the spirit of partnership, a
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recognition that this pandemic the virus knows no boundaries, knows no borders, can't build walls around it and you can't deny basic fundamental facts. we'll be driven by facts, we'll be driven by evidence and science, we'll be driven by our public health advisers and we'll be driven by the collaborative spirit that defines the best of us at this incredibly important moment. >> just moments ago, california governor gavin newsom announcing a new framework for his state along with neighboring oregon and washington to the knot, to coordinate how they can reopen their states and economist, putting an emphasis on science. six states in the northeast announcing a multistate task force which will be led by new york governor andrew cuomo, and he joins me now live from albany. we all know how busy you are,
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thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you, ari. >> governor, what's the purpose and plans for the coordination to reopen the northeast eventually. >> well, we've been working with the surrounding states since this first started because the virus is different. there are no jurisdictional lines, state lines don't matter. all these actions you take, ari, you can't do it as a island. if i put certain policies in new york and you don't like them, you can drive across the bridge and go to new jersey and go to connectic connecticut, so doing it as a regionally makes sense. this reopening question, we're not out of woods on the public health issue by any stretch of the imagination. people start talking to this, turning to the reopening, and how does that work? and we wanted to say, on a regional level, we want to reopen as much as the next
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person, maybe more, if you have been living through as a governor, believe me, second to healthcare workers and essential workers, you want this resolved. you have to do both, it has to be on a regional level. what's the plan to reactivate and do it carefully, because if you do it wrong you can see that infection rate go through the roof. >> yeah, let me read something that the president was just saying. he posted a couple of items to twitter saying, some in the media are saying governors have the decision to open up the states, not the president, and he said it's the decision of the president and for many good reasons, then he went on to caveat governors and said he's still working closely with governors and that will continue but it's a decision by him. number one, is that accurate or not in your view?
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and number two, do you see your decisionmaking in coordination with his or not? >> well, couple of things, first, everyone has been playing nice, right, and it's important for new york for me to do my job during this crisis i need the federal government to do its job, ari, i needed thousands of beds, i needed equipment, that relationship is very important. state/federal relationship. this is month time to play politics. no one has had a more fractious relationship with this president than i have. but not now. okay, and we've been working cooperatively. as far as the president's point, first, it's going to raise legal issues if it becomes confrontational and hostile. depending on how you frame it, legally there could be an argument state right versus federally. what i would say is, you want to
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say the federal government is in charge, which by the way is a shift, bah us the federal government didn't close down the economy, right, they left it to the states. it was state by state. it was a whole hodgepodge. the governors has to close the economy. which was not politically easy to do. but now, the federal government says it can open it. why didn't you close it a what does that mean? >> let me pause on that, governor. you make what would make an important point. you're in a diplomatically way for calling out the president that he's in charge of reopening you're saying the president didn't take the hard call and step up on the closing in. >> they didn't. they said the opposite. they said it's the state's decision. that was followed up, fema doesn't do the purchasing,
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that's up to the states and tremendous delegation to the states, so that was model one. put that aside, if he wants to go model two and i'm the president, this is a federal emergency declaration i'm in charge, i'm going to put the plan in place, okay, here's the responsibility, tell me how it works, what does that mean? are you going to take care of all the testing? because states can't do testing anywhere near the scale of this operation. tell me what to do about new york city versus albany versus buffalo, tell me how to do new york versus texas ash percentag of population that's infected. how do you do it? now, i did this on the state's side. i said to my local government, cities, towns, it's a state issue. and the state will determine the policy. and i'm asserting the state
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emergency declaration and the states in charge then you have to do it. it's not just saying it, what's your plan to actually do it? to take federal responsibility. and depending on the intelligence of that plan, i think it would then beg the other question which is, do they have the legal jurisdiction to do it? if they had a smart plan, i said governors say, god bless you. >> right. you're ready and willing to work with anything that's within the public interest of your state and all the hard times that new yorkers are going through. when we turn to this whole issue around medical expertise, what's knowable, as you know the president clashing with dr. fauci, do you believe that it would compromise the national and new york response if dr. fauci would be removed as the president has openly talked about on twitter or do you see that as outside of your lane? >> well, look, i think dr. fauci
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is a nation naal treasure right now. you look at what americans say and who they're listening to and who they have confidence in, dr. fauci is at the top of the list. and anyone who knows his pedigree and his history and his accomplishments he's at the top of the list of anyone's list by the way. so he's been phenomenal as a calm, straightforward, factual voice in all of this. i know he's been very helpful to new york. i've called him a number of times. he's been very kind. to give me guy danidance on wha do. but he's an extraordinary talent and he's credible. dr. fauci in my opinion. >> when you say you've spoken to him, we've all taken a lot in just seeing him speak in public, what have you learned from him or what do you think is
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important to model after him during this tough crisis? >> well, he's a reasonable voice but a voice based on science and data. and not -- doesn't operate only in the abstract, you know you can talk to scientists and doctors who give you advice but it's the devoid of the reality of the situation, right, where i have to actually get 19 million people to do what i'm asking them to do. so dr. fauci, yes, he's a voice of science and learned and experience. but he also understands the governmental process and that we have to get people to actually adhere to these policies. that realism is very important. i go through the numbers with him because i study the data every night. i'm not a public health official. and i then talk to dr. fauci and i say, here are our numbers,
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hospitalization rate, death rate, what do you think is happening? he's been extraordinary sounding board for me personally. >> final question, sir, lot of talk about what the new normal may look like, i'm curious as you just mentioned the challenge trying to get 19 million to do something in a world where people don't agree on everything, what is in your view the most important thing your constituents and people in other similarly places in the northeast need to be ready to do, having more masks, maintaining social distancing even when we're back to work or something else on your mind that we all need to culturally get ready to shift into for our safety? >> yeah, you know, ari, frankly i'm not -- i don't even know when we get to the new normal, right, when is this quote, unquote over, i don't know if it's really over until we have a vaccine when people can really
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exhale but that's 12 months to 18 months. i'm worried about the next phase which is this reopening of the economy phase. and people have to be realistic and we have to speak with one voice, it can't be what we went through at the beginning of this where people said, it's real, it's not real. dismiss it. don't dismiss it. those mixed messages made it hard for any governor to tell people, here's the policy, trust me. because they were getting mixed messages. on the reopening, this isn't a light switch. don't offer false expectations because that's going to make everything harder. let's be honest and factual and one voice. >> that makes a lot of sense. i know you're busy, governor.
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i have one quick light hearted comment for you as we bid good-bye and that is, there's no competing with family. but the benefit of coming and doing interviews with you, you and i we don't have to talk about your upbringing and your nicknames. we'll just do this. >> ari, this is much nicer than what i go through on some other shows. trust me. >> appreciate it. appreciate you making some time. governor cuomo of new york. after the break, the consequences of donald trump's actions, promoting that drug that was unproven he said it could help the virus, he asked what do you have to lose? we have the answer to that question in clear focus when we return. blowers. you should be mad your neighbor always wants to hang out. and you should be mad your smart fridge is unnecessarily complicated. make ice.
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this weekend we heard from senator kamala harris' sister maya harris writing in the atlantic and revealing her own
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decades-long battle with lupus pointing out that donald trump pushing that hydroxychloroquine, has persuasive effect. when the president of the united states decided to hype as a coronavirus treatment, the primary medication used for controlling lupus he put an already disadvantage. while trump was promoting the drug, he also posed the question, what do you got to lose. the americas medical association president who's here, said your life. >> thank you ari for having me and i want to say that certainly we always have to begin and end with the science and evidence
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and as you state there's no medication as of yet that's been approved to treat covid-19, certainly clinical trials are going on and there's compassionate use as defined by the fda. physicians have already and continue to have an obligation to make sure that patients know the risks and benefits and the side effects could be common and minor or they could be uncommon and very significant. significant adverse consequences and it's our responsibility to talk about all of those consequences of these medications. to your point about using these medications, hydroxychloroquine is used currently for patients who have lupus and arthritis and we have heard from patients and physicians across this country that there have been shortages as you noted and so the patients for whom this drug approved are having difficulty to get the
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medication to treat their own disease and so in your view, from the medical view, is that an unnecessary risk or cost from the promotion of that drug? >> certainly, decisionmaking, shared decisionmaking regarding any treatment alternative from a baby aspirin to who you're going to have cardiac tharacic surgery, certainly in all instances patients have to know the side effects. those who are mild and those that might be life threatening. we really need to go through this with thoughtfulness and also need to make sure that we follow the science and the evidence and to date, we don't have a medication that's been proven. >> we also wanted to discuss with you, given your work and your background with psych try, the second order effects we're
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seeing reports of mental health challenges, anxiety, increased -- people feeling increased depression, initial reports of potential increase in domestic violence, what do you tell people to do to try to stay mentally healthy under these conditions? >> i'd tell you certainly so many issues are being amplified during this current pandemic. it is important for all of us to stay home, we know that really helps slow the spread of the disease but in the meantime we're recommending that everyone make sure that they are taking care of themselves, that they allow themselves to feel these normal human emotions, if they do begin they're more anxious or more depressed, they should contact their physician or local resources, i know in new york the governor has developed this
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entire hotline for those who are experiencing these symptoms and i believe other jurisdictions have as well. so that's very important as we get through this and this should be at the top of everyone's list when we get to the other side and we'll get to the other side to make sure that we have the infrastructure we have to address these mental health issues. we're coming in on an infrastructure that's woefully underfunded. >> while i have you, i want to get your response on the rather devastating article in "the new york times" that has been rocking the trump administration part of the stress we have seen between the president and dr. fauci, but this is specifically on health policy, the faltering response to the coronavirus, "the new york times" reporting on james lawler who said basically in march, the cdc is
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missing the mark, by having community transmission it's too late. there were all of these e-mail chains and discussions among people like yourself, people who are the experts, basically saying that the administration, specifically the president, either didn't understand or didn't care to deal with how bad it was. i assume you're familiar with some of that reporting, your response, it is clear to you that some of the counsel council wasn't heed zbld i agree that dr. fauci is a national treasure, i and the ama have the j utmost respect for him. he said we were slow to impact and that has certainly had negative impact. there will be time for after
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action review. at this point we need to have an all hands on deck approach, we need more ppe, my colleagues, are calling for more ppe, we need significant expansion and testing capacity and we need to make sure that areas are not today's hotspots that might be tomorrow have the icu bed capacity and the ventilator capacity that they need and that's why the ama has called on the president to use all of the levers of federal government to get all of these supplies that needed today and that we can anticipate needing tomorrow. >> dr. patrice harris, thank you. another big story, the biggest story, bernie sanders looking at what stake in november, comes out swiftly and strongly for joe biden.
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so today i am asking all americans, i'm asking every democrat, i'm asking every independents, i'm asking republicans to come together to support your candidacy which i endorse to make certain that we defeat somebody who i believe and i'm speaking just for myself
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now, is the most dangerous president in the modern history of this country. >> bernie, i want to thank you for that. it's a big deal. and, you know, i think that your endorsements means a great deal. i'm going need not just to win the campaign but to govern. >> as the saying goes, there it is. bernie sanders just this afternoon, endorsing the man who basically ended his campaign that is of course former vice president joe biden. in recent days, joe biden has been making changes. endorsing student loan forgiveness. this endorsement you may note is different than last time, it comes five days after sanders exited the day. by contrast a full-blown 36 days over a month between bernie sanders dropping out last time
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and backing then-presumptive nominee hillary clinton. we're joined by washington posteugene robinson. good to see you both. >> good to see you, ari. >> a.b., it's different this time in so many ways, walk us through the speed, the remote, awkward endorsement, everybody doing things differently for good reason now. >> it's interesting. i'm very surprised at the speed of it and he sound sod dug in a week ago when he dropped out, continuing to amass delegates. i think the election results of the primary show that majority of the party in a resounding way came out against the sanders'
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agenda and for a more middle, centrist, less left agenda in rallying behind biden. so this great news for biden. i do think, i'm a little cynical how far we have to go until there's an aconvention, we're going to be a really different place if the summer looking at the kind of debt and deficit we amass in this crisis, what kind of relief the government is continuing to offer or not yet offered in a really devastated economy, so it's hard to i think for joe biden to make promises but he's very relieved, you can see it on his face and there's just not that tension and hostility that was so apparent between bern wrooe sanders and hillary clinton in 2016, which her impaired her ability to win over sanders' voters.
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>> gene? >> well, i think you see a couple of things there. number one, i think you see that senator sanders and former vice president biden have known each other genuinely like each other. and so, there's an ease between them that there never was between sanders and secretary clinton. i think the second thing you see is senator sanders treating this like the twin emergency it is. there's obviously the public health emergency posed by covid-19, which i don't need to go on about, but there's also the emergency posed by president trump. and the idea that he could have four more years in the white house as president to do yet more damage in the view of vice president biden and senator sanders and a lot of people, including me, is just not
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acceptable. and so, i think you see a recognition of the need for the democratic party and the entire sort of anti-trump coalition to come together behind joe biden. he is the candidate. >> gene, what should joe biden do now with this quick bernie sanders support? >> well, i think he should be -- should do what he's been doing. i do think that bernie sanders pushed the party over the course of his campaign to the left somewhat. joe biden is not going to go all the way to bernie sanders' sort of medicare for all solution to the health care crisis in this country, but i do think he's open to some sanders formulations, for example, or sanders-lite f e formulations l
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student debt, issues that are important to the sanders coalition. i think the two camps will continue to meet and sort of try to work out solutions that are palatable to both camps, as the party tries to unite as tightly as it possibly can. >> a.b.? >> yeah, i think that -- it is really hard biden's in his basement and so is everybody, for him to hold events with bernie supporters and try to have some kind of, you know, building some kind of unity w n when, you know, they had to do an endorsement over skype and that's the kind of event that would have been very important to have, to do in person and show that kind of rapport that biden and bernie happen to have, much to the surprise of many democrats. at the convention, for example, biden doesn't really need to
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reintroduce him. i mean, introduce him to the country, so, it's okay that he might end up with a virtual convention, telling his story and bringing together the various factions in the party. but it's important to try to take advantage of this endorsement and do what he can. i don't know if he's going to livestream events with members of the squad, but he should make an overt effort to have some kind of visual enough conversation with bernie supporters now that he's gotten the endorsement, so it sets in the minds of progressives. >> yeah. a.b. and gene on the big presidential politics story today. thank you both. after the break, one of them was playing club baseball in college. the other, a well-known sports photographer in new york. we are going to celebrate two more lives well-lived, when we come back. .best for my family. in only 8 weeks with mavyret... .best for my family. ...i was cured. i faced reminders of my hep c every day. i worried about my hep c. but in only 8 weeks with mavyret... ...i was cured. mavyret is the only 8-week cure for all types of hep c.
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