hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east with coronavirus now killing more than 1,000 americans a die, well over half a million cases confirmed in the u.s. and the much needed measures to flatten the curve leaving more than 16 million people across the country suddenly jobless. how to reopen our economy are con suling state and local leaders. enter donald trump, in a press conference last night shifted the conversation away from thousands of lives at stake and back what it appears to be his number one priority, himself. challenging the meaningful steps now being taken by nearly a dozen of governors on the east and west coast, to reopen the business. trump asserted he and he alone has the total authority to reopen the country whether the

states are ready or not. rest assured that a claim that any student of the constitution can confirm for you is false and the condemnations from the governors is swift and ongoing. donald trump's delusions of kinglike authority invited a rebuke from new york governor andrew cuomo. >> the only way this situation gets worse is if the president creates a constitutional crisis. if he says to me, i declare it open and that's a public health risk or it's reckless with the welfare of the people of my state i will oppose it and then we'll have a constitutional crisis. where states tell the federal government we're not going to follow your order. it would be terrible for this country. it would be terrible for this president. so, i just hope he -- he gets

control of what he was saying last night and he doesn't go down that road. >> donald trump is a devoted viewer of morning joe, those comments by the governor made this morning and following them, donald trump signaled today that he'll make a decision in conjunction with the nation's governors after all when it comes to reopening the country. he didn't backtrack on the false premise that the authority rests solely in his hands and leaning into his role as presidential folly just for a little bit governor cuomo also this morning took aim at the president's grievance-filled breeflgs. >> governors should not watch that. there's no value in it. it would be -- it's infuriating and ig nornnorant of the facts.

it's frightening. frightening. this is the last place we should be this crazy politics, this absurd positioning when we're talking about life and death. and we really have the toughest governmental problem we ever faced right new in front of us and we have to deal with this absurdity. >> cuomo responding to the full picture of donald trump's press conference debacle yesterday that extended well beyond the alarming inpreation to make some of the worst headlines of this president. locked in a days-long with media over a series of investigative reports with his failure to respond to warnings from inside his own. >> what did you do with the time that you bought? >> you know what we did. >> the month of february there's a gap. >> what do you do when you have

no chase -- >> you had cases in february. >> excuse me. you reported it. zero cases. zero deaths on january 17 zblth january. the entire month of february -- >> i said in january. >> you had a complete gap -- what did your administration in the month of february -- >> a lot. in fact, we'll give you a list. >> look, look, you know you're a fake, you know that, your whole network the way you cover it is fake. >> a lot. maybe it's classified. hiding in that safe. that performance, though, described as ashley parker in the washington post as one of the clearest exclamation as the me president. in the middle of this deadly pandemic, that shows no obvious signs of abating the president made clear that the paramount concern for trump is trump -- his self-image.

trump has always had a me-me-me ethos, ununcanny ability to inshert himself into the center of just about any situation. but monday's coronavirus briefing offered a particularly stark contrast seeming unable to grasp the magnitude of the crisis. the president's delusions of his own authority and the governors' clapback is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. jonathan lemiere is back. jeremy bash is here. you were offering an articulate harvard law version of the flaw in the president's take on his authority. it's been about, i don't know, ten more hours and the governors are pushing back aggressively. they formed these regional coalitions and the president has

eliminated himself as a factor. where do you see this outrageous allegation and the response today from the nation's governors. >> first, basic government 101, the government can ban a particular activity, they can close a particular private sector activity, they can't require a business to open. there's no way particularly for the federal government to dictate to the private to open. second, just as a matter of federalism and basic constitutional law, donald trump up there saying, i take no responsibility yet i have total absolute authority. it's basically what you would expect a child king to say. no responsibility, total absolute authority and of course, under our constitution, nicolle, we don't have kings, we don't have monarchs, we dispense with that in that revolutionary war and through our constitutional history the

supreme court has said it over and over again the president's power is not limitless, it's high with respect to national security. but we're not talking about national security, we're talking about a form of economics security and health security. in that domain thatis is not th president's sole call. >> he seemed to suggest to a reporter that he would have papers drawn up on that. basically, backing up his legal argument, there's a history of donald trump seeking legal justification for the things he wants to do whether it's firing mueller, something he asked his white house counsel to do. firing jeff sessions something he wanted to do and something he ultimately did the day after the midterms. chiefs of staff, i think he's on his fourth or fifth, brought in

a propaganda artist in her own kayleigh mcenany. they're trying to make his statements sort of true, is that alone dangerous? >> nicolle, i can recall hearing from people who served with donald trump or with him in the oval office in the early months of his presidency, i'd say the first two years, they said, it shocked them to the core, he said he directed them to pursue policies that violated federal law and when they told him, sir, you can't do this, we can't do this, he said do it anyway and as a result you saw cabinet secretaries and i won't name names, of course we could specific cabinet secretaries, senior administration officials, swept aside, pushed out, fired, fired by tweet, and fundament fundamentally was, he was being

told no, and he did it anyway. >> johnathan, this seems where this scandal have arrived. thousands have died and donald trump is debating what the definition of absolute authority is in a briefing room with a maniacal focus on the press. you see ashley parker talking about imaginary enemies. the president's dpras. on reality, maybe not being 100%. >> think about the millions of americans, nicolle, who tuned into that briefing yesterday. looking for reassurance, looking for updates. americans who are have lost their jobs, americans who have lost a loved one, those who are panicked and mourning. instead of that none of that was

offered. instead it was an airing of president's grievances. lot of defenseness. pushing back against a number of stories over the last few days. outlined all the steps, warning signs they missed, administration missed ignored in january and february the president of course doesn't take too kindly to sort of criticism. it was capped off by taxpayer-funded video attacking members of the media because that's what the president's focus was. he scores points with the base when he goes after the press. but that's of course not where the president's focus should be and we're seeing now with this split with the governors, we're also seeing as much as he claims to have authority to this point he's put the onus on the state houses to handle this crisis.

to come up with medical equipment, to come up with masks, to come up with ventilators and tests. and that's up until now we see him refusing accept any responsibility and only blame others. he's gone from scapegoat to scapegoat to scapegoat. >> the ap has an interview with anthony fauci, he acknowledged publicly, essentially spending two hours plus whatever travel to the white house for those coronavirus daily briefings is not the best use of his time. talk about that. >> you're absolutely right, nicolle. my colleagues at the associate pressed sat down and he said he finds these briefings grueling. it's part of his job to deliver facts to the american people. he wants to continue to do that.

these briefings are going an hour, hour and a half, they're grueling. this is a man whose time he says could be used in a much better fashion. he should be working, he should be working on safety measures to try and protect the american public. instead he's made to sit there in president's die tribe. trying to clarify his comments, make good with the president and not face his wrath that some of these measures should have been in place sooner. another thing dr. fauci said, the white house announce will the formation of new counsel to look into restarting the nation's economy, dr. fauci, when asked about the target date of may 1st said in his estimation that was far, far too early and rather premature. >> doctor, the debate about

whether to open the country and when gets locked in a divide that doesn't actually exists anywhere except in the president's head and on conservative media, but i think every single person of every single age group, if you're a child you want to go back to school. if you're a parent, you want your kids back in school. how did we get here where we are having this debate about when and whether to go back? totally divorce from science and totally divorce -- most americans want to keep everyone healthy. that's why they're home. how do we bring science and facts back into debate that frankly trump and his allies have contaminated? >> yeah, you're right, nicolle. we actually all want the same thing. we'd all love to go back to the way things were. we don't want have a healthcare system where people have to wait

in line at the e.r. for nine, ten hours waiting to be seen. or when there's potential rationing of ventilators, none of us want that. and you're right, too, about the importance of science and data and informing our decisions. all this talk about a time line we have it backwards. we shouldn't be talking about what's the exact date that we should be quote, unquote reopening things. we should be talking about, what are the metrics that have to be in place? what are the capabilities we have to develop? this isn't static. this isn't looking at a weather map. what we do know is absolutely essential to influencing what that time line is going to be and so the faster we can ramp up testing the better we can support our healthcare system, the more we can develop these

public health infrastructure to do the contact tracing and quarantining we need. our conversation really needs to start with the metrics and capabilities and then move to time line. that's what we'll get to the science and data-based approach. >> it's so interesting because the sort of -- the keys to opening up what donald trump views as his kingdom, which is a flourishing economy which we actually all want, no party affiliation the keys are the kind of testing that he's resisted, the kind of testing that's not available. if you want a company to open, promise a supply of testing and those companies might start to contemplate it. how do you, doctor, how do you make a fact-driven decision to start to take kinds of baby steps that dr. fauci seems open to at the times of the metrics

would suggest it's wise? >> the problem is that we just don't have data to be making those decisions right now. and that's why we're taking this blunt approach. right, we're locking down society. and we're imposing restrictions on everyone. what we eventually want to go get, people who are infected with covid-19. we can isolate them, identify their contacts, quarantine their contacts basically box in that infection. we can take an individual approach rather than the whole society approach. we have to have the public health infrastructure to do that kind of widespread test and the healthcare system in place to treat everyone who needs it. we're nowhere near these capabilities. if president trump wants us to

get back to normal and reopening up the economy, he should be focused on developing these capabilities and informing the american people in these press conferences where we are and the progress of getting there. >> jonathan lemier and jeremy bash, thank you. when we come back, president obama goes all-in for joe biden, new reporting reveals the extent of obama's role in accelerating the end of the democratic primary contest between joe biden and bernie sanders. also ahead, we'll speak with one of the first americans to contract coronavirus who's still testing positive more than a month after her recovery and remembering some of the victims of the coronavirus pandemic. all those stories still coming up. up philadelphia. schmear perfection.

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propaganda network with little regard for the truth. on the other hand, pandemics have a way of cutting through a lot of noise and spin. to remind us of what is real and what is important. this crisis has reminded us that government matters. it's remind ed us that good government matters. facts and science matter. that the rule of law matters. that having leaders who are informed and honest and seek to bring people together rather than drive them apart, those kind of leaders matter. in other words, elections matter. >> wow. joining our conversation, former democratic senator claire mccaskill. and michael steele. michael steele, that could have

been the substance of a convention speech. facts matter. elections matter. that seems to be the right thing to say and the right way to win and defeat donald trump. >> well, not to take away from the seriousness of the moment we're in obviously with the coronavirus and the deaths and concerns americans have, we also have at the same time a presidential campaign which is now full-throttling going on. this is game on. this is a turning point because i have said for a while, from the democratic side, even republicans, that president obama's been wanting to get into this thing for a while and he has a lot more to say not just on behalf of joe biden but i think on behalf of the presidency a whole which will be a very interesting position for him to take, i think, so this

was a clear shot out the gate. he's ready. he's engaged. i think it lifts joe, it positions joe's voice now as the voice of opposition to the handling of this epidemic by this administration and to the concerns that a lot of americans see and hear on a daily basis for at least two hours from the current commander in chief. >> claire, president obama and michelle obama are two of the most respected figures the world over, but perhaps their influence with one bernie sanders is one of the greatest displays of sort of quiet influence in our modern political moment. it's no small thing that bernie sanders is out and this democratic primary contest is over, is it? >> it's been a remarkable week, we have been distracted by the antics and the lack of leadership in the oval office, or as you like to say the office

without corners. it's been remarkable first that bernie got out, secondly that there was clearly affection and friendship between bernie and biden when bernie announces his endorsement and following up today with a remarkable video that is such a contrast to what everyone saw from the podium in the white house briefing room just yesterday evening. so, and i do think that -- that barack obama was really smart about this. he knew that biden needed to do this on his own and biden wanted to do it on his own and he did. but through the whole process, barack obama kept the lines of communication open not just with joe biden but with the other candidates and importantly in recent weeks with bernie sanders and he listened to bernie. he didn't call bernie to tell him what to do. he didn't call bernie to say get

out. he listened and he wanted to make sure i believe that bernie understood that he was an important part of this team and he needed to be on this team and the country needed him to be a real participant in this team and i think that's what barack obama did in this election is it, he softened the edges so the end wasn't painful. >> michael steele, donald trump has been tweeting a lot of clear agitation at fox news and to me that's canary in the mine kind of indicator when he's mad at fox, they're doing a little bit too much, the truth is too overwhelming even for fox to blot it out completely, where do you think trump's conduct and the increasing exposure of his conduct even among his base, is it a liability, sort of a yellow flag, where do you think his political standing is right now.

>> yesterday was flashing red. what we saw yesterday was a moment that i thought was unprecedented. paula reid, you go girl. just the doggedness of saying, making it very clear, you're not going to deflect backwards, i'm talking about a speck point of time where your administration has a gap, can you explain that? that level of forcefulness clearly gets to the president in a way that nothing else does and the more the press is doing that honestly and not falling into the little traps, the little racket holes that he creates, the much more difficult this will be for the administration to continue to spin out of. right now, you're pretty much, when you look at the overall architectu architecture what we have seen with coronavirus press rallies, is yellow flags, little warning

signs going off here and there, but yesterday, you got to see the red flag raised because of the way the president performed. >> and claire, as michael steele points out, what undoes donald trump is the facts and the facts -- when he's still reeling from is an investigation by "the new york times" over the weekend we mail after e-mail after e-mail, chains from the group called the red dawn, they saw this threat, they knew exactly what was coming, the campaign against donald trump writes itself, you knew, the pandemic was coming and you did nothing and he's on tape in those briefings saying, yeah, i didn't do anything -- he basically admits to lying. what should joe biden do next? >> i think all joe biden has to do is provide that contrast. i mean, if you listened to what

barack obama said about joe biden today, he said number one, he's going to surround himself with good people, he'll listen to the experts, he's going to listen to the scientists, he's going to have a government that works and number two, he's not going to lie. he's not going to lie over and over again. this president says one day it's green the next day he says it's purple and the next day he says what? i never said it was green or purple. this is the kind of lying that's going on now. that's why we're in this mess is that he can lie his way into a place of leadership. you never lie your way into a place of leadership, ever. >> from your lips, claire's staying with us. michael steele, thank you for spending some time with us. when we come back -- we'll talk with a woman from new york state recovering from coronavirus who continues to

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my 8-year-old little leaguer you can't cross home plate without rounding first base. scientists and doctors around the world are seeking to answer some very important but basic questions. how do we know who's infectious and who's immune? joining our conversation is maggie stern, maggie stern has been symptom-free for six weeks from coronavirus, an infection she caught. she continues to test positive. we'll answer some of maggie questions. maggie, thanks for being a part of this show. i don't think we ever had a chance to talk to somebody infected with coronavirus and it

sounds like in doing the right thing, you notified the government, you notified the government. take us through your experience. >> hi, thanks. our son was studying abroad in europe for the semester and the last week of february he was in madrid and he was on spring break and his program got suspended because it was in italy. so prior to coming home he was going to prague for a few days and due to be home on march 5th. on march 3rd, he contacted us and told us that he had, we weren't aware of what it was. >> we're going to have to fix maggie's audio. we can't hear her and she can't hear us right now.

let's try to fix that. doctor, i talked to maggie and she represents a real conundrum, not talked at any of the press briefings, she tested positive, she was tested at her home, she contracted she believes from her son who was studying in europe. she's been symptom-free for more than six weeks but she continues to test positive, what should she do. >> it's extremely frustrating to be a patient with covid-19 in generally but when we have such differences of science coming in. you know, we have to remember that this coronavirus is new, that there's a lot of sometimes conflicting, contradictory science being and research being conducted. we're learning more about this disease every single day.

we're getting more data every single day. in the meantime there's often conflicting information. the cdc guidelines provide for two paths, one, is how to clear you if you get tested and number two, how to clear you to go back to your normal activities. and for patients who are assume to have coronavirus and never got the test, you can theoretically go back to your normal activities if you're 72 hours without a fever and seven days out from when your symptoms first started. the issue that i think that maggie is having, she did get tested and her test, even after her symptoms have gone continue to be positive and it situation like it's been that way for quite some time. at this point, there's no clear guidance on what to do if you're in that category and your tests

continue to be positive. the issue even if your tests are positive it doesn't necessarily mean you're actively infectious. what the cdc says in this case to contact your healthcare provider and talk to your local health department. because the situation may vary on where you're in that country. it would be very frustrating for the individual maggie who's currently going through this. >> maggie, dr. wen seems to have put the finger on your situation. you called the health authorities and there isn't clear guidance, you had no symptoms for six weeks, right? >> well, my son has had no symptoms for almost six weeks. i had no symptoms for over four weeks. the problem is, we continue to test positive and they can't tell us if we're still contagious, so i don't -- i know that if i go for immunity

testing, they'll find my antibodies but they won't be able to tell if i'm not contagious, i can't go back to work, i can't go back to society unless someone tells me i'm not contagious anymore. i'm just curious where -- >> so doctor wen -- go ahead. >> i'm curious how you determine the degree of con tables youness, or when they determine somebody is contagious, like the symptoms of the virus hasn't been consistent with anyone who has the virus, the recovery doesn't seem to be consistent. >> dr. wen? >> yeah, i mean, again, i hear the frustration, maggie, in your voice when you talk about this because it -- it's very frustrating. we just don't have the science to give us the clear guidance on what you're asking, which is if

you test positive does that just mean you have virus in your system? or does it mean you have virus many your system and you can potentially infect other people? if you're not actively infectious that's fine. the problem is we just don't know. there was a small study of patients down in wuhan, china, published last month and that looked at this, too, they found that there were other patients too a month or more out of the time they first had symptoms who still were testing positive but there was no answer on whether they were actively infectious or not. we'd love to get to the point where we could do that antibody test, the other test, the one test that you're talking about is looking at whether you're actively infectious. we'd love to see if you have

immunity to the disease. even that test is not yet validated and we don't know how long that immunity lasts. lot of unanswered questions and again why that continued research is so important. as a result of the unanswered questions, there are a lot of patients and a lot of unknowns that we currently have. >> maggie, that's the medical thing, what's the toll, what's is this like? how are you -- you said you've been symptom-free for four weeks. your son, six weeks. what has this been like for your family? >> it's been difficult. my husband didn't get sick at all. our other son didn't come back into the house two weeks ago, he lived with friends for several

weeks, he's not gotten sick from us. i feel like we're our own little medical test case here, if we were still contagious they would get sick. but again, we don't know if they've been sick and, you know, they're not displaying symptoms. you know, it's just really hard because you just don't know what to do with yourself and then you watch the news and you watch about they want to open up and go back and i understand, i want to go back to work also but i can't say to my employers i'm fine. the conversation needs to be about the different stages and different forms of recovery and how that's going to be addressed for people like us. >> dr. wen, certainly cast a human story to the debate which

seems very political right now about opening up the economy even people who are doing everything they're asked to do by health professionals, by the cdc, the government coming into your home and testing you, dr. wen, if you can just weigh in on how this complicates any discussion or debate about reopening work places and the economy? >> the last thing we would want is to provide false reassurance, we don't want to tell somebody if they get the antibody test, we don't want to tell them they're actual immune and they're not immune they can go back and get reinfected and get really sick. we don't want to tell people who are testing negative when they actually still have the virus. or they have tdon't have the sy but are testing positive.

while there are all these unanswered questions we should be looking to the science to answer them but also doing our best with the information that we have, which is we really need to ramp up widespread testing, the public infrastructure, we need to develop all these capabilities whether than prematurely sending everybody back to work and have a resurgence of deaths all around the country. >> dr. leana wen, we're so glad you're back. congratulations on your new arrival and we're glad to have you back on your air. maggie stern, thank you for being open what you and your family have been through. we're so grateful to you. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. after the break, new york governor andrew cuomo not taking his bait. here's his advice to donald trump -- think about we, me. wouldn't that be nice? that be ? ♪

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again to understand her own status, whether or not she's contagious, we're asking so much of people and i wonder if we aren't doing them a disservice by wasting all of our time and energy asking what's wrong with donald trump? >> well, i think there's something to that, nicolle, and we have to be careful about that. he can be a distraction from what we have to focus on, what can we each individually do to make this situation better. obviously, staying home is a huge part of that. also on our own, making sure we're listening to the experts, that we're shifting through all of the back and forth and getting to the facts and understanding what's going on, why this brave woman and her son have done. the thing that's hard about that, though, is that there's a wall for government here, as

president obama said here, government matters in a crisis of this nature and there's a role for the federal government, the problem is, if the president isn't fulfilling that role -- it gives a sense of more crisis, more panic, more anxiety. because you're not sure are you going to be able to get a mask? or will the doctor be able to find a ventilator? or will we open too soon? it is just a really difficult situation that has really been set off by the failure of leadership at the very top. >> what do you worry about, claire? >> you know, i worry about people retreating to the point that we lose a sense of community. thank goodness, i never thought i would be so grateful for screens. but, you know, i'm able to stay

in touch with my grandchildren, i'm able to see my family. frankly, i think all of us now realize how easy it is for us to stay in touch. i think that's a positive. but i do worry that the gatherings of this country matter. when we gather, whether it's a march for civil rights or women's rights or a large group on the mall at the fourth of july, or whether it's sporting events or, frankly all of us going to our polling places, those are american things that we have to hold on to. so we have to get through this and still gather as a community because if we don't, we are going to lose a essential part of what has made our country so extraordinary. >> that was part of the conversation you and i had saturday night on our screens about missing baseball and missing sports! and missing that community. i know i'm missing that. i'm missing sitting around a table next to you but a screen

is a perfectly adequate runner-up. >> you know what i'm not worried about, though, nicole? i'm not worried about people voting in november. i'm not worried about. >> wisconsin proved that, right? >> yeah. wisconsin is amazing. when you start trying to play games with the american people about making it harder for them to vote, it's not like people don't get what you're doing. and people will go the extra mile. as i've said on this practice before and others, i think people will fall through glass to vote in november because they feel so strongly about what is going on in our government right now and wisconsin, yesterday, it's been a bad 48 hours for the president because he had that meltdown and then wisconsin and now the coming together of democratic party. so at this point, i'm kind of optimistic. >> all right. i'll take it. kind of optimistic is the best thing i've heard all day.

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