hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. economic crisis colliding today with the ongoing tragedy of lives lost amid the ongoing spread of the coronavirus today with the news jolting our collective psyche that jobless claims now exceed 22 million. another way to look at it, in just four weeks the coronavirus shutdowns have effectively erased every single job that's been created in the decade since the last recession. the economic despair now stretching from coast to coast

will surely add fuel to the fire around that debate about how and when to safely re-open the economy. "the new york times" writes this, quote, the latest figure from the labor department reflecting last week's initial claims underscores how the down draft has spread to every core of our economy, hotels and restaurants, mass retailers, manufacturers and white collar strongholds like law firms. there's nowhere to hide according to an con meconomist d by the "times," this is the deepest, fastest, most broad-based recession we've ever seen. ever increasing wing flapping from the president who just this week claimed he had total authority to re-open the economy and then said, no, the governors will submit their plans for re-opening their state's economies to him. but the reality of anyone re-opening the economy is in

serious doubt as testing remains inadequa inadequate. "the new york times," quote, as president trump pushes to re-open the economy, most of the country is not conducting nearly enough testing to track the path and penetration of the coronavirus in a way that would allow americans to safely return to work. that's according to public health officials and political leaders speaking to "the new york times." even business leaders have expressed concern over the prospect of a hasty re-entry. "the washington post" reports that on a call trump held yesterday with corporate executives in which, quote, some business leaders were complaining the effort was haphazard and warning that more testing needs to be in place before restrictions are lifted. and speaking of a haphazard effort, the people donald trump tapped to help navigate all these vital issues, well, they didn't even know they had been tapped in some instances. "the new york times" reports on the rough rollout of the president's re-open the country committee some business leaders had no idea they were included, they write, until they heard that their names had been read

off in the rose garden tuesday night. some of those who had agreed to help said they received little information on what exactly they were signing up for and others who were willing to connect with the white house could not participate in hastily organized conference calls on wednesday because of scheduling conflicts and technical difficulties. now, that is no small thing. if this white house can't work out technical glitches on conference calls and scheduling conflicts, do we really trust this team to competently extract the nation from the deepest economic hole in modern time and protect the people of this country from the most dangerous public health crisis in recent history. that's the question we'll have to ask ourselves in a matter of hours when the president is expected to publicly release his guidelines on how and when the process of re-opening the country should begin. that is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. ron chain, former white house ebola response coordinator is back, now an adviser to joe biden. dr. patel, a practicing

physician and former obama health monthpolicy director joi as well, plus nbc news correspondent carol lee who has some breaking reporting of her own on the testing question. let's start there, carol lee, because it would seem that regardless of where trump comes down on testing and on any given day he's either overseeing the best testing in the world or he's decided that testing isn't necessary or he's acknowledging a sliver of truth that while it may be helpful, it isn't feasible. testing remains for the business leaders, even some of the ones that he's tapped, the number one hurdle for even contemplating putting workers back into the workplace. >> yeah, nicolle, no matter who you talk to, whether it's business leaders or even lawmakers on capitol hill who my colleague is reporting today on a call told the president that testing is going to be extremely important as he tries to open the country and despite

everything we hear from the president, what we've learned is that the white house is trying to figure out a way to somehow really ramp up testing and they're looking at a number of different ideas such as partnering with big tech companies to try to scale testing up to as much as 3 million tests a day. now, some administration officials say that number is way too high and that's an expectation they don't really expect to meet, but they're sort of trying to figure out how to scale up testing. all the while the president says publicly that testing is going really well. we know that, however, from the call that the president had with lawmakers today that he basically said he's not really -- that testing is not going to be able to be scaled up in a meaningful way before may 1 when he wants to begin this re-opening. then later on a separate call that recently that the president had with governors, jeff bennett and monica alba are reporting

new information about the president's plan at 6:00 p.m. and broadly it sounds like it's going to be something where the president says it's all up to the governors, that whatever the governors decide to do, the buck essentially stops with them. there's one quote where he said you're going to call your own shots. that's what he said to the governors in terms of re-opening, and he said that he'll look at caseloads by county and he's not going to set any specific re-opening date. if they want to open before may 1, that's fine, but essentially passing the responsibility which is a dramatic shift from where he was earlier this week. the thing that we don't know exactly what he said is what answers he had for them when it comes to testing because it all comes back to testing. anyone you talk to will tell you that it really matters how much testing you have and whether you can open even a small part of the country, that if you can't test people, then it's just not

something that you can guarantee is safe. >> dr. patel, the piece of this -- and let me just stipulate i think that the president is leading a conversation pitting the country against each other in ways that don't exist. every single american, every single person wants the country open. they want their kids back in school. they want their jobs back. 70% of the people online at food banks have never been there before, so nobody wants the country shut down. 81% of americans are in support of keeping social distancing measures in place because they see that that's saving lives, saving -- as "the new york times" reporter, the rome bureau chief said, italy lost a generation of grandparents. so people can hold these two thoughts in their heads even if the president can't. dr. patel, we don't live in a country where people travel on foot. what does state by state re-opening do if the virus can spread one person on an airplane

can bring it all the way across the country and create another hot spot? >> what it does is what we've been seeing in the last several weeks where we had governors decide not to put in a stay-at-home order and you saw crowded beaches. so it absolutely will create a ripple effect. and not all testing is created equal. we keep talking about it like you have a test and you've got the golden ticket. it's not that clean cut. while we have to think about this as a country, state by state when we don't even have the capacity to test people state by state and we barely are starting to get data on what treatment, investigational treatments might be working in the united states, it is irresponsible and it is concerning that the president is kind of flip-flopping on first you can give power to the states, then you can't, and i actually think the states, as usual, are left to their own

devices. >> dr. patel, take me through the best case scenario. say suddenly magically everyone gets a test. if you test positive on a monday, couldn't you come in contact with the virus on a tuesday and then go back to work wednesday with a different result if you're to be testing every morning? if testing only marks your status at a moment in time, how is mass testing really the answer to re-opening the economy either? >> you're right, nicolle. it's not. it's got to be three things, testing, tracing and isolation. if you look at other countries, look at germany. they really unleashed their primary care workforce from the beginning. so this isn't going to be from just a select number of people working on this at local levels. we're going to have to really radically rethink what we do. and you're right that a test on one day might not even catch the infection if it's too early to catch it. so you're going to need regular

testing but we're also going to need places in schools and in our jobs and in churches and other not large gatherings. i don't think we'll have that but we're going to need a way to have even at work social distancing. honestly, there's no guide book for this. not even in medical school did we ever learn anything about this so we're kind of making it up but we're using science to inform us which the president doesn't seem to want to do. >> ron, you turn to science to inform some of the planning that you did in a similar role. what would your advice be right now if anyone were to -- has no one sought out your advice in this white house? >> i've had some conversations with some folks in the administration who are career people who i used to work with on the ebola response. nicolle, what i'd say is -- >> tell us about them. what have they asked you? >> i'm going to keep those

conversations confidential. i don't want anyone to get in trouble with the president. but the point is this, the advice is the same as what dr. patel just said. we have to test a lot more. it's interesting to me that as a matter of math our progress towards the goal is not going to ever get there because we're going backwards. we're going to test fewer people in america this week than we did last week. we're not on a path to solve this problem. we're on a path to make this problem worse. that's because the president doesn't want to take leadership of these tests. he said that the tests are up to the states. the states don't have the power, the ability to direct the manufacturers to make the different components. as dr. patel alluded to, these tests are complicated. they involve test kits, swabs, reagents, parts of the processing machines. very complicated. unless the president uses the defense production act, steps up, takes over, drives this, we are going to see this continued my asthma on testing that is not going to get better.

>> ron, what would your advice be -- i won't ask you to put any of the people that have reached out to you on the spot but what would your advice be for how much of the testing solution to own. south korea -- and we talk about this all the time -- they took a very different approach. many more people were tested. there were kwooequarantines, ev fever clinics. if donald trump's goal is re-opening the country, there's no way around those sorts of measures. you can only go through them where you test people, separate them, and you stamp it out that way. what would your advice be in terms of how much of that solution the white house should own? >> i think this is a real paradox because the two halves of donald trump's brain are at war with one another. at the end of your last hour you talked about his disapproval of

more accurate tallies in new york. he is clearly focused on keeping the numbers as low as possible. he's also focused on re-opening the economy. the problem is if we re-open the economy, we have to test and testing will drive those numbers up. it's time for the president to make the big boy choice here, and the big boy choice here is to get the testing program in gear, to accelerate the use of tests that will drive the numbers up. artificially keeping the numbers down makes the scoreboard look better in his mind but it's not putting the country on the path to testing, tracing, isolating, to do the things we need to do to be safer and increase the levels of economic activity in the country. >> carol lee, your reporting really blows the barn doors off of this paradox inside the white house. you write this, the push to majorly ramp up testing reflects an acknowledgment by some of the president's advisers that

despite president trump's insistence that testing working well, there are problems with testing. trump said he will announce guidelines on thursday. quote, we have the best tests of any country in the world, trump said. then you point out that while the u.s. has tested more citizens than any other country, it also has the most covid cases and deaths globally and is significantly behind in per capita testing as compared to south korea or germany. has anyone told the president that his numbers on a per capita basis are terrible? >> well, look, it's obviously something that the president would know. it's just that we've seen him want to put his spin on the facts and to try to put as much of a positive take on what's happening. so he's selectively using the facts on what testing is actually in the u.s. like we've seen before with this issue, you have the president

saying one thing and then some of the people who work for him really trying to deal with what's actually happening on the ground. ron mentioned the defense production act. one of the things we learned in our reporting is that there are people around the president who urged him to use the defense production act to scale up testing but the president continues to be really resistant to that. the other thing that people we talked to said this is going to require extremely careful and close coordination with a number of different factions to get testing where it needs to be to get the right amount of tests to different places and that this is an administration that just hasn't shown an ability to be able to do that sort of careful coordination. we spoke to hospitals who said that they've been in touch with the administration but they weren't aware of any sort of plan and if something is imminent, coming soon as we were told in our reporting by administration officials, then

the be that's news to them, that they aren't heard of it. then you had the president saying in this call to lawmakers that the scale of testing that everyone thinks needs to be happening before the country starts to re-open is not going to be on the slate. that all mixed together to not give people the confidence that is going to be needed if people are going to begin to go out to work and to go to restaurants and to really get the economy doing in t going in the way the president wants. in some ways his own approach to this is actually hurting what he says his goal is. >> dr. patel, there are some protests out in michigan, people protesting the shutdowns. i just want to ask you about the power of a leader's words. it would seem to me that donald trump constantly being at least publicly at odds with the scientists and health officials around the country, not just on his own task force by first

pushing for an early -- for the easter deadline for getting back to work, now gunning for march 1 as a day to re-open the economy, i wonder if you think that creates doubt in the minds of some people in the public that the social distancing is needed to keep our communities safe. >> absolutely. nicolle, i've lost friends to this. this is very real and very serious, and you've heard from a number of health care front line workers about the tragic toll it's taken on them and their lives and now we're hearing about deaths that were not reported. we're already talking about communities, vulnerable communities, communities of color. this is very real and it may not affect you personally but because this is a virus and you may not even realize you're passing it along, it will affect somebody that is close to somebody you know and already is. i absolutely see those protests and unfortunately i keep coming back to science. we have a president who does not

seem to want to present the facts and understand what underlies those facts and has systematically tried to quiet people who have actually been advocating for the facts as carol reported. that to me is a recipe for disaster and i worry what will happen when we see this virus surge again, which dr. fauci and others are predicting could happen in several months. >> ron, dr. patel, carol lee, your voice is so important now more than ever. thank you for spending some time with us. when we come back, what will donald trump think of next? we'll tell you about an idea so outrageous even his most reliable little mini me in the senate, mitch mcconnell, had to shut it down. also ahead, searing new images of the economic toll of this pandemic from texas today. thousands lining up to do something they've never done before. from congress to the front lines of the fight to help save

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donald trump has never shied away from leaning on the extraordinary powers of the american presidency, sometimes even making unconstitutional claims like he did on monday when he said he had total authority over all the states. but yesterday we saw him threaten an action that even made his number one enabler in the senate, mitch mcconnell, object. here was the president last night. >> whether it's russia, russia, russia or whether it's impeachment hoax or whatever it may be, it's always roadblocks and a waste of time. if the house will not agree to that adjournment, i will exercise my constitutional

authority to adjourn both chambers of congress. the current practice of leaving town while conducting phony pro forma sessions is a dereliction of duty that the american people cannot afford during this crisis. >> the president there saying he would use a provision in the constitution to get nominees into administration positions without senate approval to which mitch mcconnell, the one and only mitch mcconnell said, i don't think so. from mcconnell's spokeman, quote, the leader pledged to find ways to confirm nominees considered mission critical to the pandemic but under senate rules that will take consent from leader schumer. trump's outlandish claims and mismanagement of the crisis seem to be taking a toll on his public standing as well. a grand new gallop survey just out shows trump's approval rating is down six points from

last month. joining us now, nbc and msnbc national affairs analyst john heilemann and former democratic congresswoman donna everett. it makes me gasp to see the gallop numbers plunge six points when donald trump is the one standing in the rose garden literally with his hands on his approval rating plunging them down by blabing for hours and hours and hours every day. it would be funny if it weren't so scary. >> well, you know, i think the one person who must be really happy about that is joe biden, probably egging him on to stand in the rose garden every single day. and really the president's claims yesterday were truly jaw-dropping. we've seen him challenge the constitution, put forward ideas that are clearly unconstitutional. he always demonstrates that he has no idea about the constitution, its meaning, basic civics, separation of powers and the roles and responsibilities

of the three branches, and yesterday was stunning. he claimed, in fact, the other day that somehow federalism was something different from the constitution when, in fact, federalism is embedded in the constitution. this man has no idea how much he seeks to stretch the limits of the constitution, even stomping over top of them. of course senate leaders, house leaders, all of us who understand fifth grade civics know that this president of the united states is well beyond his capacity to understand what it takes to govern and clearly to do it within a constitutional republic. >> john heilemann, you look at trump's conduct and if you need some measure for how off the rails he is, it almost writes itself. how bad is he? he's so bad that mitch mcconnell said, whoa, down boy. it's extraordinary.

>> yeah. if we need a measure. nicolle, do we need a measure for how far off the rails he is? seems like we have a lot of measures for that. we need a new measure, a whole new system for measuring it. yes, it's the bacase that the other day when trump was talking about the thing that donna was just talking about when he claimed the authority of the presidency was total, total with respect to telling the governors what to do, it was a moment where i genuinely think -- and i'm stealing this from my friend mike murphy who said it the other day. mike said that comment was the clearest seminal picture of what's going on in donald trump's head, what he really thinks about the role of the president and his own role in the government. he just really thinks he is the state. the state is him. he is the state. his power is unchecked and absolute wherever he wants to try to apply it at any given moment. when there's any price to pay or actual responsibility to take,

of course it's like, oh, no, the constitution completely protects me. it's all about the states. it's all up to the congress. but when there's something that he wants to do and someone is standing in his way, he will claim that he has absolute authority to do that thing, whether it's with respect to the states or the legislative body or the courts. it doesn't matter. i think it's partly ignorance, to donna's point. he's a nitwit when it comes to the government. when you marry nitwit iism with this authoritarian instinct that he has, that's where you get a view which is my power is absolute, whatever i say is absolute. when i invoke it, i have it. it's been like that since the beginning of the administration. we just see it more vividly now because the stakes are so high. >> donna, i do think that you are so revealed as a leader in a moment of crisis for better and for worse, and i think what donald trump's sort of

miscalculation was is that it would be all for worse. his poll numbers have moved in one direction since he assumed the podium and became the leading man in his own mind and this is a drama. in every other corner of the country it is a rolling, heartbreaking, gut-wrenching crisis and tragedy. people's parents are dying in nursing homes. peoples kids are isolated from their friends and separated from their teachers. people are scared to go to the grocery store, the post office. people are losing their jobs, going to food banks. he is so detached from the reality that every time he walks out there and showcases that, he destroys his own political standing from the day before when we last saw that on display. >> well, and he always begins with something that actually has nothing to do with the crisis that americans are experiencing every day. you take yesterday, even with his claim of adjourning the

congress as though somehow he had the authority to do it, the first thing that he wanted was to approve the head of the voice of america. what in the world did that have to do with people dying every single day? and then the next claim that he then makes is that somehow we are all going to magically be back at work just the same way we were a month ago shaking each other's hands, hugging and kissing and going to big concerts. it is completely detached from reality and i think this is the reason that -- we've got a lot of big choices to make this year and not the least of which is going to be to make sure that we have somebody who's sitting in the oval office who understands the complexities and understands the ways in which we have to bring every level of government to deal with the crises that we face. this won't be the last one and i don't want that left in donald trump's hands.

>> john, donald trump was always afraid of joe biden. that's why he asked a foreign leader to help dirty him up. but it would seem that of all the democrats that ran, there's no one who has the two things that donald trump lacks the most, sort of that -- joe biden, whatever you think of him, he is so easily in touch with his empathy reflex. he feels what people are going through and he was also barack obama's number two. obama, whatever you thought of the actual policies, they were expertly carried out throughout the executive branch of the government. >> right. when you think about joe biden, you're right, he's got empathy and confidence. he understands how government works. he's a creature of government. his entire life, adult life literally, has been spent in washington at one end or the other of pennsylvania avenue at the height of power, as

committee chair at various times in the united states senate and on the other end of pennsylvania avenue in the vice president's office about as far as you can go in the oval office, that one without any corners that you always talk about. when he was vice president under barack obama the first thing he had to do as vice president was run basically the reconstruction act. the last time there was a giant crisis that fron frontconfronte country, the fallout from that, his job was to administer the bailout funds that went not just to wall street but to the auto industry. he was the one dealing with the stimulus projects and all the money that got spent to keep the country afloat. so in terms of just the mechanics of how the government works when it's under threat, when it's in crisis, joe biden has seen that stuff and has had his hands on the levers of it. as i said, on both ends of pennsylvania, these are the two things that you say trump has no concept of, other human beings or how the government actually works. biden gets both of those things,

whatever his other failings and weaknesses are. >> john heilemann and donna edwards, two people who make me miss that table we used to sit around. thank you both so much for coming on. after the break, a sign of the times. food banks across the u.s. straining under the pressure of exploding demand. a live report from our friend garrett haake coming up. t from garrett haake coming up. ♪ thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr+/her2- metastatic breast cancer, as the first hormonal based therapy. ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole, and shrank tumors in over half of patients. patients taking ibrance can develop low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infections that can lead to death. ibrance may cause severe inflammation of the lungs

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how many of these people do you think have probably never been served by a food bank before? >> whenever we've talked to some of our partners, they're actually getting some better statistics on that. one of them said that in one day last week 70% of the people that came through their food pantry requesting access to food had never been there before. so we're seeing people that have never ever had to go to a food pantry before and they don't really even know where to access it. part of our job is to educate people.

>> it's a remarkable thing when i first heard it earlier today. 70% of people going to a food bank in texas last week had never been there before. they had never needed it. it's a startling statistic that's just one example of the hit that the u.s. economy has taken, with millions more out of work due to coronavirus. food banks like this one you're seeing in dallas are now seeing unprecedented levels of demand. our colleague, our friend garrett haake who conducted that interview joins our conversation now from dallas, texas. garrett? >> reporter: hey, nicolle. it really was startling to see the cars that lined up here at fair park today. just for context, if you're not familiar with the dallas area, this is where the state fair of texas happens, where the cotton bowl is, and the parking lot was packed. folks waited for as much as three hours to get a couple of boxes of food from the north texas food bank. they think they served about

2,000 families here today. this is happening all over the country. if you just plug in the name of your city and food bank into google, you will see images like the ones i saw here today. that 70% stat struck me too because it tells me both how broad and how deep the economic crisis here is. this means that people who you would never suspect, your friends, neighbors, having to rely on assistance for food. if you're cutting back, if you lose your job, if you're furloughed, there's probably a lot of other things you're going to cut out of your budget before you get to the position where you decide you need to come and get some food assistance. that's been going on for weeks, and it's liable to continue. a lot of people i talked to said they're doing this now. maybe they have a little savings left but they're trying to ration out their savings and their money because no one has any idea how long they'll be under a stay-at-home order or how long even after that they might be able to get back to work. it was an incredibly striking

experience to be here today. >> it seems so detached from what happens in the rose garden every evening, garrett, where donald trump some nights plays a campaign video, some nights goes after reporters with a venom that is pretty unprecedented in normal times but especially during a national pandemic. i have not, to my knowledge, ever heard him go out and say anything about these kinds of folks that you're talking about, people having to turn to local food banks because of the extraordinary nature of the economic hit, not to say anything of the health crisis. >> reporter: yeah, look, donald trump has never been a feel your pain president. that's not surprising news, but it is interesting how the administration has tackled this. there's two different types of pain that comes with this crisis, right? there's the medical pain and the economic pain, and they've never been particularly comfortable

talking about either of them but i'm struck by the fact that we've not seen the president or his family members or folks in the administration out volunteering at food banks or even making the particularly strong plea to support them. look, you can donate ten bucks to the north texas food bank and feed quite a lot of people. they need the money. they need the support. this is happening at local levels all across the country. it's not rocket science to be able to get the government out, not just governing in a traditional way but leading in a way that inspires people to come out who can still help in a lot of ways to literally feed your neighbors. it's so simple. today, again, watch those videos. watch the lines of cars. these are not strangers. these are people who live in your neighborhoods who cannot afford to feed their families. it's mid-april. we're not anywhere close to being done with this. this scene will repeat itself time and time again, and it would be great to see more leadership on that sort of thing, nicolle.

>> is the leadership coming from the states? are there examples in texas? is the governor calling for what you just talked about? i'm in a small town. there are posters about -- we know how to donate to our food bank in a small town. you're right, helping your neighbors, feeding your neighbors, feeding your friends just in this interim period where there's so much economic uncertainty is happening all over the place but you haven't heard much of it from political leaders. >> reporter: it's interesting, this is such a case where you're seeing grassroots leadership from all over the place, whether it's state and local elected officials, whether it's sports figures, in dallas and in houston. some of the big name sports figures have stepped up. i still follow and keep in touch with beto o'rourke who has been volunteering at the el paso food bank. people are trying to find ways to lead from the ground up on this because it's become a ground up grassroots leadership

test given that the top down leadership model isn't exactly working on a neighborhood to neighborhood basis. >> garrett, this may be peak 2020 but tweet out where your mask came from. it does that thing that i learned you're supposed to cover from the top of your nose to the bottom of your chin, better than the one i've got in my pocket. garrett, thank you for spending some time with us. we're grateful. after the break, what it really means to serve your constituency in the time of coronavirus. and on that topic as far as joe biden is concerned, donald trump isn't cutting it. >> the president is supposed to take care of things and he says i take no responsibility for that. it's not my fault. it's somebody else's fault. he's doing the exact -- i know this sounds sort of strange but he's doing the exact thing we teach our kids not to do. blame somebody else. not me, the other guy. not me, the other guy. i mean, this is the president of the united states. other guy. i mean, this is thpre esident of the united states.

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or a face covering when social distancing isn't possible, particularly on public transit and in stores. joining us now, new york democratic congressman max rose who just returned from a deployment with the national guard to assist in coronavirus response in preparations on staten island. last time we spoke to you you were on capitol hill i think helping to pass the stimulus legislation. now you've been just outbuilding a hospital or converting a hospital that was designed for their purposes into a coronavirus center. take us through what you've been doing and seeing and hearing. >> absolutely. thank you for having me. what i did over the last few weeks, first of all, pales in comparison to the incredible service that i saw displayed by our front line medical professionals and our men and women in uniform. i served with doctors who had just recently lost family members and who also had family members in the er, in the

intensive care, and still were working 18-hour days. nurses who hadn't even had the opportunity to hug their children in over a month because they were self-quarantining out of fear, out of fear of getting their own families sick. each and every day they have their head high and they got the job done. soldiers who had basically deployed, they were staying on staten island away from their families, standing up this hospital. so we stood up one of, if not the first nationwide, state-run, covid-only facility that was designed to be pre and post-icu covid treatment to try to take down some of the excess capacity that our hospitals have been dealing with. they're operating at 300%, over 300% capacity. what we found is that in order to attack covid, it requires highly integrated hospital care.

a bed is one thing but you have to, alongside that bed, need medical professionals and intensive equipment like air concentrators. we also found that we can get the job done. we stood up this facility in six days, six days. that tells you everything you need to know, not just about this city but about this country, what we are capable of when we put our mind on a singular mission and not our own divisions. >> congressman, does it seem disconnected from what is a lot of bluster at best and a lot of political recriminations and blame game from the oval office at worst? >> look, politics should have nothing to do with this. let me make this very, very simple, and i say this as a democrat. nothing would make me happier than to see this president stand

up, assert the full powers that he has at his disposal as the commander-in-chief to win this war. this requires total war, total war, okay? we've spoken quite a lot about the defense production act but it also requires the utilization of the military. it requires the utilization of all elements of society. fema completely giving, completely giving any amount that states have been asked to spend, and we don't need any theatrics right now and we certainly don't need any finger pointing. we need empathy on top of all of that. if the president asserted his full power as commander-in-chief and we beat this virus and then he wins re-election, you know what, so be it. so be it. because we have emerged beating this virus. that is all we are asking. people's lives are on the line. their lives are on the line

right now and the federal government can do things that the city cannot do and the state cannot do. everyone's very open about that. we've got the city and the state competing with other cities and states across the country the country for ppe, they're competing with them for medical equipment, competing with them for medical staff and they're going to be competing for lab reagents as well as for antibodies unless the federal government steps in with a real plan and with real resources. they're the only ones that can do that. just like the federal government and the united states of america was the only one that could storm the beaches of norm andy. only the united states of america to send a man to the moon. not individual cities or states did that. the united states won the cold war an only united states of america that can unite and beat covid. individual cities, individual states, they cannot do it alone.

>> well, as we have been talking, donald trump has announced just that, that individual states will be left to bring their states back alone. what do you think that looks like for new york state? >> well, look. i remain hopeful that the federal government will still have to remain hopeful, have to, that the federal government will step in and provide additional resources. and but with that being said, in order to open the economy back up, i believe that it is connected to very specific things. one is a dramatic expansion of testing and variability of antibody testing, as well. two is a continued change in social behavior. until we get a vaccine, we have to change our social behavior for the long term, particularly around long -- expanded mass gatherings and then lastly we have to keep an infrastructure,

a health care infrastructure in place in the event of a future surge of patients. and if we can do those things, we can progressively open our economy back up. but all the while let me close out by saying this. we have to have empathy towards and be there with real resources towards people that are suffering right now economically. we can't just theoretically talk about a distant opening of the economy without being there for people in a real and robust way because they're suffering. >> they sure are. congressman, thank you for your service and spending sometime with us. we're grateful. after the break, a family man of illinois and a well-respected journalist, a fond farewell to the good people we have lost to this virus.

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jana doesn't want her husband ken to be another number. he was a father of three. he had a great fondness for long walks, reading and sports. you can see in some of the photos he and their dog adored each other. he'd write a joke into every card to family and friends and when jana got sick he went out to get her prescription and returned with an extra item, a rose hidden behind his back. jana won't forget him and now neither will either of us. and then onik. he was a deputy technology editor for the associated press. early stages of the word wide web, he was the first ap reporter to be given the internet writer biline two decades ago. this personal life he ran a marathon on every continent. 83 races in all. think about that next time you struggle to get on the treadmill

a. story about him that made us laugh, when he sublet his apartment to a colleague in 1993 he left furniture and a disco ball. do what you want with the rest but the disco ball stays. the last report filed under his name includes this line at the bottom of the page. quote, nick reported this story from new york before he died of complications from covid-19 on april 2. he's missed dearly. that does it for our hour. thank you for letting us into your homes during this these extraordinary times. our coverage continues with chuck todd right after a break. give me your hand! i can save you... lots of money with liberty mutual! we customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need!

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