i've done something good for the things that i did wrong. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. first up on msnbc, this morning, a tale of two americas. some states are slowly trying to reopen, but what are the risks? others still paralyzed by the virus. state by state, the rules are dizzying. from georgia to louisiana to arizona. many have stay at home orders that expire on april 30th. others, like new york and connecticut, have already extended theirs through at least may 15th. >> a new controversy as some beaches open while others are just closing. >> bitter battle amid the virus.

a war of words between the new york state governor and the president, hear what prompted the very latest. new hope. in some cases, one drug seems to be working to treat covid-19. details on why it can't be used more broadly. details, how some critical food suppliers closing could cause shortages across the united states. >> good morning. it is saturday, april 18th. i'm lindsay riser. >> and i'm kendis gibson. thanks for being here, everybody. this morning, there are nearly 700,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus across this country. at least 3600 people have died. here is the very latest. >> this morning, a growing push by the white house to start reopening the economy. vice president mike pence says states have enough tests to start reopening under phase one of the white house guidelines. as the administration faces pressure to ramp up testing. >> we believe today that we have the capacity in the united

states to do a sufficient amount of testing for states to move into phase one you at the time and manner that they deem to be appropriate. >> new predictions from coronavirus forecasting models shows at least four states, hawaii, montana, vermont and west virginia, may actually be able to start loosening social distancing regulations as soon as may 4th. while several other states will probably need to wait until june or even july. >> meanwhile, some states are already start to go ease restrictions. in florida, some popular beaches like jacksonville, neptune beach and atlantic beach reopened yesterday evening. when governor ron desantis gave the green light despite the growing outbreak. those mayors specify they're open for exercise purposes only, not for things like tanning or gathering in large groups. >> and it literally took 26

minutes from that order for those beaches to be packed yesterday. >> and several across the country are pushing for an end to the stay at home orders. this comes after controversial tweets with the president calling for that. >> monica alba is at the white house with more on this. yesterday the president talked about his tweets. what did he say? >> after a week of confusion of the president asserting that he had total authority over the states and ultimately telling the governors that they call their own shots in terms of when they may be able to reopen their states, the president add dollars a new level and dmrengz to this debate, tweeting yesterday liberate michigan, liberate minnesota and liberate virginia, specifically referencing there the second

amendment. these three tweets added a layer to the complexities. as you mentioned, there are some protesters in these three states who feel the stay at home orders are too stringent and we've seen them out in force this week. but with the president sort of issuing a rallying cry to the three of them, he was pressed on what he actually meant he and what his message meant for protesters at last night's briefing. >> i think elements of what they've done are too much. i mean, it's just too much. you know the elements because i've already said. but certainly second amendment and second amendment having to do with the state of virginia. what they've done in virginia is just incredible. okay. please. >> sir, are you concerned, though, that people coming out in protests are going to spread covid to other people? they're congregating in ways that health experts have said they should not. >> these are people expressing their views. i see where they are and i see the way they're working. they seem to be very responsible

people to me. but it's -- you know, they've been treated a little bit rough. >> now, these are three states that would be critical to the president's re-election hopes in november. in 2016, he did narrowly win michigan, but he lost minnesota and virginia. so this was also seemed to be a little bit about how he looks at the next few months in terms of those critical states. and the president was also asked last night whether he might return to the campaign trail and have rallies as we get closer to the general election. the president said his priority is on the coronavirus pandemic, but that he would like to get back out there and talk to his supporters. it seems that these tweets are at least one way that he can do that, kendis and lindsay. >> all right. monica alba live at the white house, thanks. new today in new york, some growing concerns over the high number of covid-19 deaths at nursing homes. more than 3300 people, the highest numbers were in the counties of new york city and these numbers were not always

reflected in state totals. >> msnbc's corey kaufman joins us now from outside a hospital in queens where more than two dozen people have died. good morning to you. these patients, of course, they're extremely vulnerable. what can you tell us about these outbreaks? yeah. this number are raising alarm bells, kendis and lindsay. 29 patients have reportedly passed away due to covid-19 here at this nursing home. but employees say that number is likely closer to 60. it's one of the facilities across the nation seeing massive spikes in number of cases and deaths due to covid-19. including new jersey, as well, where police found 17 bodies in a makeshift morgue there that had been previously unreported. now, all of this coming out as the attorney general in new jersey says he's going the be investigating. and here in new york, governor

cuomo said he is now mandating that nursing homes report these numbers. before, it was not previously required. so he is putting out an executive order to require that. while governor cuomo was addressing all of these issues with nursing homes and the major spike, in fact, more than double the amount of cases in the last week of deaths in cases here due to covid-19 in nursing homes, as governor cuomo was addressing all of that, he then had to pivot and address some tension with the president that had been happening. president tweeting that he didn't feel that governor cuomo was grateful enough for federal response. all of this coming after a tit for tat about when to reopen the government. >> first of all, if he's sitting at home watching tv, maybe he should. to work. second, i've said a number of times, i don't know what i'm supposed to do, send a bouquet of flowers?

he said we need testing help. he said 11 times, i don't want to get involved in testing. it's too complicated. it's too hard. all he's doing is walking in front of the parade. but he has nothing to do with the timing of the parade. right? the governors are going to open when they think they should open. how many times do you want me to say thank you? but i'm saying thank you for doing your job. this was your role as president, okay? >> all of this coming back to the decision of governors to reopen states. ultimately, the president did leave it up to individual governors to make those decisions. what is also apparently being left up to states is the decisions over nursing homes and reporting. now individual states are mandating that those reports become required whereas right

now it is not federal guidance. >> and as they report those numbers, it becomes more and more troubling. corey, thank you. now to the search for solutions. remdesivir is among the solutions. >> some positive news from a trial at a chicago hospital after treating severe patients with the drug, doctors are seeing rapid recoveries in fever and respiratory symptoms and most patients were discharged in less than a week. joining us now is benjamin cowelly from the hong kong university school of public health. hello to you. thank you for joining us. we want to get your thoughts on remdesivir in a moment, but first, china has raised the coronavirus death toll in wuhan by 50%. a foreign ministry spokesman

says this wasn't a cover up. so what happened here? are we going to see more of this in the coming weeks? >> we're still waiting for the full details of why the numbers were increased, but i don't think this kind of increase is going to be only something that happens in china. i think in new york, as your other correspondent just mentioned, there are deaths occurring in nursing home, it's quite possible there are deaths subsequently recognized as covid deaths. so i think the death tools are going to go up everywhere in the world. it's not only an issue in china. >> and the question a lot of people are wondering, whether or not the chinese officials were honest about the transmission of covid-19. at fist, they originally said that there was no human to human transmission. did they just not know that that was a possibility or they were outright lying? >> i can't read the minds of those officials to know what exactly was the information that they had. what we now know is that transmission had been occurring

as early as december and into january. we know that as late at 20th of january, there was still information that suggested it was not transmitting whg actually it was. but it was a very fluid situation. it was difficult to figure out exactly what was going on. there was a lot of cases linked to the seafood market. we still don't exactly what the role of that market was. i think it was a lot of fog of war, but ideally, we would have liked to know earlier that it was moving from person to person. >> and we know a little bit more about transmission now and how contagious it is. of course people are itching to get out of their homes and reopen the economy. but in order to reopen the economy, how much testing needs to be done? should everybody that returns to work be tested and is that even a possibility? >> starts going on to some extent now in china. where the large factories, like the factory that makes your apple iphones and so on, they're testing all the returning workers as a routine practice. in america, i don't think it's necessary for that reason.

i think testing is necessary for two reasons. one, so you know what's really going on. but at the moment, i don't think countries need to know what's going on. and you need testing to tell you how much infection is going on in the community. the second reason you need it is for test and trace. and trace is the second component of that strategy. so by identifying cases, doing some quarantine to stop spread in the community. >> so there is new information that is out about what we can expect from widespread testing. here is a portion of our reporting from gabe gutierrez. >> new research from stanford university suggests that the number of people infected could be up to 85 times higher than the official count. up to 4% of those tested in one california county had covid-19 antibodies. >> so what is your take on all of that and what do we know about those who have antibodies

but may not have had a severe case or any symptoms? >> for your last question, we don't know exactly what the meaning of those antibodies are. they most likely indicate infection. but if the test is not a perfect test, if it gives some incorrect results, then we need to be careful in the interpretation. and specifically for that study in california, my understanding is that they put out a call to the public to come and have their antibodies tested and there was a lot of interest in people who had covid symptoms to go and get their antibodies tested. so maybe that would have led to overestimation of how many people in that particular county had been infected because they were targeting particularly people with symptoms, not a random sample. >> to the findings from that remdesivir study, most of the patients treated in that study

have been released and two have died. what is your thought on those findings? >> it's brilliant news. but i think what we really need is a randomized controlled trial. we don't need a placebo controlled trial. it has to be a randomized trial otherwise the results are potentially subject to interpretation of the doctors. did doctors said the patients recovered really well, but how do we know they weren't going to recover in this particular case, anyway. we need to look at the randomized control trial. >> this study is not using a control group. could that be the big problem here when it's time to interpret the full results? >> yeah. it's very promising and remdesivir is the most promising drug we know about for covid-19. but until we see a randomized controlled trial, we're not going to know for sure whether

it's the best drug to give to everybody. how about the other drugs? in hong kong, we're using a lot of kalitra. we need head to head studies of these different drugs to see which one is really the best and then we can switch over to using that for everybody. >> okay. dr. cohen, our thanks to you. appreciate it. the road to a new normal. why some governors say the rate of testing is the biggest factors to reopening the economy. >> the surprising numbers showing how many americans would hold off on certain activities until a vaccine is available. what is that? uh mine, why? it's just that it's... lavender. yes it is, it's for men but i like the smell of it laughs ♪ this is my body of proof. ♪ proof i can fight moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. proof i can fight psoriatic arthritis... ...with humira.

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welcome back, everybody. thanks for spending part of your morning with us. a live look at detroit, 39 degrees, a high of 53 today. >> some new numbers this morning show even if the country is

reopened, say in the next few weeks, some americans won't feel safe resuming life as normal. americans are more worried about the government lessening restrictions too quickly, 2:1. >> "the wall street journal" first reported details of phone calles from top financial and business leaders telling the president americans would not feel safe returning to work unless the amount of testing increases around the country. joining us now is alexis christoferus. good morning to you. let's talk about sporting events. there's been talk of our favorite teams playing again. but seton hall university found more than three-quarters of people polled would not attend a public sporting event until a vaccine was ready. so if these arenas open, will they come? >> yeah, that is the main question. good morning to you. perhaps we can use this seton

hall poll as the barometer for how the larger world would view getting back to business as usually. 12% of people said they would attend if social distancing could be achieved. 13% said they would attend as they had in the past. 74% thought it was possible, likely or very likely that sports would be canceled for the rest of the year. now, there's been talk of perhaps sports getting back up and ruing with the stadiums being empty. that could work. according to the seton hall report, 76% said they would watch broadcasts of the game with the same interest as before. but as you said, a lot of medical experts saying we may not see a vaccine for the next

12 to 18 months. but most americans would feel safe rejoining the economy once a vaccine is released. as a mom of three, i'm not rushing to get my kids back to school if they were to open, you know, anytime real soon. >> yeah. i can understand that and given the way they've played, most knicks fans are like, we're good. it's okay. no rush. governors like new york's andrew cuomo have said testing capabilities need to be ramped up before reopening and business and finance leaders have told the president the same thing. take a look at this gallop poll here. it feendz once restrictions are lifted, only 20% of americans would immediately return to normal activities. could testing re-ignite people's confidence? >> most absolutely. and i think the polls that we were just discussing, a point on that. i think what the experts are telling us is we don't have to test everybody, but we need to test a significant portion of the community before we get back to normal.

m some are looking at 20 to 30 million tests a day. as of thursday, there were about 3.8 million covid tests performed in this country. we are woefully undertested compared to south korea, even china. do i want to point to something that a business leader talked about this past week. jeff bezos, the amazon ceo, had his annual shareholder letter. and he dedicated most of that four-page letter to what they're doing at amazon regarding courthouse. he said regular testing on a global scale across all industries would both help keep people safe and help get the economy back up and running. for this to work, we need vastly more testing capacity than is currently available. that's jeff bezos at amazon speaking. amazon hat about 750,000 employees, more than a lot of small certifieities.

he is says he wants to be test every one of his workers. and he's taking matters into his own hands. amazon, because they have the manpower, are going to come up with labs of their own and equipment of their own to start testing small numbers of their own employees. the hope there is perhaps states could use what jeff bezos is doing with amazon as a blueprint as to how to roll this out in a larger scale for themselves. >> and without that widespread testing, still some governors are making plans to reopen. in texas, governor abbott has a plan to reopen the economy. when we're talking about small businesses, could some of them hurt even more if things are open too soon before the general public feels comfortable. for example, restaurants, you're paying your waiters, back staff and nobody is coming in to eat. >> exactly. and if some of those businesses

are back up and running, they may not qualify for the loans out there. we know some of the smaller pharma companies are part of the solution. but i've talked to some ceos of smaller companies, a company called vault health out with a saliva test to tell whether or not you have the virus. that test was sold out in a matter of minutes once it hit the market. so you have a number of people large and small trying to get testing to the table. >> alexis, thanks for joining us this morning. we're covered from covid, but still feeling some of the effects. >> and we're going to hear from a man who survived covid, about how long it's taking him to get back to normal. there will be parties again soon,

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my -- >> wow. an emotional story on from one of the many front line workers in the coronavirus pandemic as they become so much more, the nurses and, doctors, they become family friends and loved ones in patients' last moments. >> now to the latest numbers, the confirmed cases. almost 700,000 confirmed cases in the united states alone. new york state is the epicenter, as you can see. more than 36,000 people have lost their lives. >> the u.s. navy says it will investigate the coronavirus outbreak on board the uss thee door roosevelt. officials will take naval swabs and blood samples from crew members to find out how many have been exposed to the virus. at least 600 people have tested positive and one person has died. in texas, greb abbott has started reopening parts of that state. starting next week, his order will allow retail shops to sell items curbside and let visitors return to state parks and give doctors the okay to resume

nonessential surgeries. >> we must put health and safety first. we must prioritize and protect our most vulnerable populations. we will be getting input from medical professionals as well as business and community leaders to determine the safe and sure way to reopen business in texas without spurring the spread of the coronavirus. >> and this is happening as hawaii governor david egay is shutting down towards of his state with an order to close all beaches. people can't sit, stand or lay out on the beach. no more than two people can be on a boat unless they are a family and violators could face a $5,000 fine. the scene in baltimore has hundreds of people lining up for free food at one of several grocery stores across maryland. the lines wrapped outside the

building and around the block. this shows the desperation many families are feeling some four weeks into this. everyone was given a bag of essential goods and water. >> fewer people are volunteering at these food banks adding to the chaos. >> many cities remain under lockdown. so these entertainers got a truck yesterday and they serenaded people on the streets in berlin. this is all happening as volkswagen announces plans to reopen next week. >> sort of a captive audience. that is one way to get your mixed tape out. in southern italy, low income regions are seeing longer food lines as people run out of cash as a result of the

shuttered economy and the large outbreak in the north. and in london, wooefk seeing some of these scenes as a mix of first civilians and first responders amraus mrauding health care workers. this is breaching social distancing here and brings a lot of people joy, but at least one doctor said he was alarmed when he filmed this video of those crowds on westminster bridge. >> when the doctor was there filming it, also, not social distancing. cal perry is joining us from london. this shows how people are caught between trying to do the right thing and still live their normal lives. what is the plan over there for the next week? >>. >> yeah. places are not fully opening. at least no country is even discussing fully opening before may. but what you will see is pieces of the economy, pieces of society, specifically schools starting to open up in some of these countries. here in the uk, we had almost

850 deaths in the last 24 hours from covid. so for at least another three weeks, not until may 7th will the government discuss lifting pieces of the lockdown. in spaeb, for exampin, we have of restrictions on construction and people that are nonessential workers in those areas can go to work as long as they abide by those social distancing rules. but even in spain, you have a disagreement about whether that should happen. in spain, you have officials calling it irresponsible that folks are moving around the city. in italy, we're seeing a lifting of some restrictions on some stores, but schools and anything else that is key to society is not going to open until may. so it shows you the fits and starts. here in europe, it is going to be a country by country basis as each sort of government

individually decides how they want to handle reopening of certain portions of the economy. >> and europe has kind of been a model, lessons to learn, things that you can draw from. that will continue likely in the reopening. cal perry in london, thank you. more than 58,000 people have now recovered from the coronavirus. that number, according to johns hopkins university. but little is known about the potential long-term effects of the virus. >> joining us now is chris mcmillan of pennsylvania. he spent 15 gadays in the hospil after testing positive for covid-19. eight of those days, he was on a ventilator. chris, thanks for waking up this morning. >> good morning. >> you were released from the hospital on april 2nd. what were your symptoms at the height of your illness? >> before i went in, i had a high fever for about ten days that wouldn't go away. i was taking tylenol every four hours trying to get rid of it. i had a pretty bad cough. by the time i went into the

hospital, it was getting to the point where it felt like my breath was going down to the top of my lungs and not actually filling anything. i couldn't breathe and i was just coughing all the time. >> how are you feeling right now? >> pretty good. i'm recovering. >> recovering? >> recovering, basically. my body is -- has lost a lot of muscle strength and coordination. i don't know if it's due to the medication they had me on when they had me under or just general fatigue from laying in a bed for 15 days. >> i heard there are certain things that immediately you have signs, you lose your taste, you're not able to holds your breath. have those returned? >> i currently have some chest congestion, but it's basically the left over pneumonia, i guess you could say. it's whatever is left in my

chest. i'm getting rid of it every day and every day gets better. before i went in, i didn't experience a loss of smell. i just had a nasty cough and a high fever and it wouldn't stop. >> and, chris, before all of this happened, you were running 5ks, 10ks, you're a professional trumpet player. so little is known about the long-term effects of covid-19. are you at all concerned about this shortness of breath, these lingering symptoms stick around? >> that is the big question. nobody knows what's going to happen. every day is like i wake up and i go about my day and i hope it's better. that is all i can hope for, really, is that every day gets better. >> and we will be speaking with a doctor about how little we know about long-term symptoms and new symptoms popping up. but for now, chris mcmillan, thanks for spending some time with us.

walmart announcing it will hire another 50,000 employee toes meet surging demand. walmart recently hired 150,000 workers and says the majority will be part-time, but some can eventually convert to full time roles. the company has sped up its hiring process to just a few hours, adding as many as 5,000 people each day. and another sign of the times, stores and websites are selling out of jigsaw puzzles. one company says sales are up 370% year to year. i'm laughing because i love these and my partner makes fun of me. >> how bored are we? >> we are very bored. there's a rush that you get when you fit a piece in. all right. kendis can't relate. some manufacturers are not considered essential, but a puzzlemaker in new hampshire tells us why he thinks they're making a comeback. >> your computer and your cell phone, yeah, at some point you want to go on to something else and doing a puzzle is -- it's

relaxing and it's also rewarding. so i think people that vice president done puzzles in the past are doing them for the first time and they're realizing, wow, i enjoy puzzles. >> don't knock it until you try it. >> and frustrating, i guess, sometimes. finally, a concert that fits the time that we're living in. the world's health organization and global citizen presenting one world together at home. a virtual concert featuring lady gaga, paul mccartney, j. lo, and many more will be a part of it. viewers will be encouraged to take a pledge to stay at home and donate to charities. grammy winner pharrell said he believes it will be -- it will bring people together. >> i feel like with what hugh is aiming to do, i think he said like 70 artists and musical

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jersey, to celebrate the first night of passover this month. >> the facility of ivanka trump and her family went to was closed down and the trip itself was no different than if she would she had been traveling to work. join ing us now is sonam chef. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> this trip took place despite federal guidelines advising against nonessential travel. did they really need to take this trip? what are the optics here? >> obviously, it doesn't look great for ivanka trump or the white house. but as far as them flouting the stay at home orders to go to trump's golf club in new jersey, if you'll pardon the pun, it's kind of par for the course for this white house and for this administration. they have routinely, throughout trump's presidency, either acted against the advice that they have publicly given americans or they have done the very things that they have criticized their political opponents for.

i think it's very interesting that ivanka trump is at the center of this controversy. because she has, for a long time, been seen as the kind of voice of reason in the white house. but this kind of highlights why it's important to look at her actions and not her words because she often acts contradictory to the things that she recommends. so this seems to be another example of that. we have seen throughout this presidency, she was profiting off of her father's presidency while calling for harsher ethics guidelines. so this is just another example of her acting, you know, the opposite of what she has been urging the public to do. >> to her defense, the model is to stay at home. if you have multiple homes, aren't you still staying at home? but president trump, meantime, now appears to be backing an effort to get governors to lift restrictions like social distancing and stay at home

orders. the president posting these messages encouraging demonstrators to lib rat minnesota, michigan and virginia. the president later defending those tweets. here is a listen. >> when you talk about these states, michigan, minnesota, virginia, do you think they should lift their stay at home orders? >> no, but i think elements on of what they've done are too much. these are people suppressing their views. i see the way they are and i see the way they're working. they seem to be very responsible people to me. but they've been treated a little bit rough. >> a fair amount of these protesters, though, seem to be trump supporters. are there political factions that are driving this? >> of course, yeah. this has been driven by the the president, by the right wing media and it's now kind of funneled down to the people who support him, some of the most -- the core supporters of his base.

and it's really fascinating as you look at this story because it's not news for trump to say things that contradict what democratic officials are saying, but this is the first time that he's done it during a public health crisis. and so there are some serious, serious potential consequences to people gathering in public like this. the other thing i would note is one of the biggest talking points from the president and the right wing media, as things have calmed down, is that, oh, you know, look at the decrease in infections. look at the decrease in icu admissions. we're slowly flattening the curve which means that democratic officials were exaggerating the length of this crisis to begin with. well, the fact is, the reason that we're seeing those infections go down is because these measures were implemented in the first place. so it's really dangerous for the president to now come out and say we didn't need this to begin with because this is the reason that -- because this is the

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