s i can't speak for anyone else. i can speak for my relationship, what i'm doing in this state, how i'm working with other officials and how i'm trying to work with the federal government. i think the president's points that there are different states in different positions, and once you say it's up to the states' governors, you will potentially get 50 different paths forward. that's what he said. that's his model. he did not say this is a nationwide program he's asking states to buy into. so what i do here may very well be different from what the florida governor can do. well, your point is taken, yes, these can drive from new york to florida or florida to new york. is that a down side of a

50-state strategy? you could argue that's a down side. there's no perfect way to do this. i'm trying to do it as a region, right? i'm trying to do it as a region, because i think that's better, but yeah, when you do individual strategies, the tension with that -- and i think the rationale for the president is you have different problems in different states, and i think the president leaving it to the states was not just right and legal and constitutional. i think he's right that it's different in different places. when we look at this state and talk about reopening, we're going to talk about different strategies in different parts of the state, because the numbers dictate the strategy, and you have different numbers in different parts of the state.

you raise the counterveiling point, which yeah, somebody could drive from place to place. yeah, i understand that. that's why we're trying to balance with a regional approach. i don't want people going to new jersey or connecticut, and how do we coordinate that, but you do have different issues. -- [ inaudible question ] >> that would be a factor for sure. let's not get ahead of ourselves. we are barely in this part of the world barely stabilizing our public health system now you're not seeing a total overload of the emergency rooms. that doesn't mean happy days are

here again, right? the first priority is life and death, public health. we're not at a point where we'll be reopening anything immediately, but we are planning. in the planning phase, yes, different numbers would suggest a different strategy balanced bid, your point, people are mobile and not only are people mobile you can't create unintended consequences. you open one area, but you don't open another area, and now i can drive to that area and i can go to a restaurant and go to a bar, i can go to do whatever i want in that area a now you could create an unintended consequence where you have a flood of people

there. they opened a beach in jacksonville, i think it was, or some beach in florida -- the whole beach was filled. you have a pentup demand. you open a beach, people will drive from everywhere to go to a beach. if it was a little closer, i might drive to a beach. so you have to factor all of this in. that's why it's a very complicated equation. >> reporter: a number of state legislators, including speaker ainsley have they had they can and should move the legislative session, some taxpayers are saying it's their job. do you agree they can, and if so, is there something like recreational marijuana at a time when the state really needs revenue? >> look, first of all it's totally up to them. different branches of government. i spoke with the speaker yesterday. he speak with the speaker often. he's working. i can tell you that.

from a taxpayer's point of view, if you think they're legislator is not working, think again. they are working probably harder than they normally would, because you have all those constituents in that area with all these issues calling them and their phone is ringing off the hook and they're calling me. i can tell from how much i'm talking to them, i'm talking to them more -- much, of more than usual. so they're working. in terms of passing legislation remotely, they can do that. that's up to them. as far as a complex issue that requires real analysis and real data, trying to do that on zoom, you know, conferences? i don't know that that's the best way to do it. but that's up to them also. >> reporter: -- >> marriage breweureaus? >> reporter: yes. >> what are we doing about

marriage bureaus? >> we actually have thought about it. we are today signing an executive order allowing people to get their marriage licenses remotely and also allowing clerks to perform ceremonies over video. if that's an avenue people want to go down, it will be available to them. >> video marriage ceremonies. there's now no excuse when the question comes up for marriage. no excuse. you can do it by zoom. say yes or no. >> reporter: your administration announce -- a process of going to release older prisoners who are near the end of their sentence on certain crimes. can you speak to how many prisoners that would release from the state prisons. >> melissa, do you have those numbers? >> earlier in the week, docs made a decision over 55-year-old

with 90 days or less on their sentences, who were not found guilty of a felony or sexual assault offense, would begin the process earp they were going to be let out in the next 90 days anyway. they had served the entirety of their term and not a threat to public safety. i think that number is a little over 200, but i could get you the precise number. >> reporter: is it a rolling release? that they could become eligible? >> if they fit that criteria, yes, it will roll out throughout this current emergency. >> reporter: governor, can you speak to how many tests are being performed on prisoners? it seems like there aren't as many tests being given to state prisoners, can you speak to that? >> yeah. there are not enough tests being performed on any group anywhere in the state, okay? there's not enough in buffalo, rochester, albany, north

country, westchester, not for prisoners, not for the black and brown population, not enough for health care workers, not enough for police officers. that's true across the board. that's why we have to bring testing to scale across the board, because it's true for everyone. >> reporter: the numbers in the prison system are so low, and with the way this spreads so quick lip, is that a concern for you? >> any congreggant. >> prisons are also a concern, but nursing homes by far and away are the number one long-term really devastate iing consequence of this disease. so to the extent i argue

prioritization, you have congregant care, at the top of the list is nursing homes. let's take two more questions. >> reporter: the communication yesterday was about residents in nursing homes who have been diagnosed with covid or suffered a loss related. what is the expectation of communications to loved once in staffers test positive? people are telling us they're not get any communication still, even after everything you said yesterday. >> nursing homes are privately run facilities for the most part. a nursing home will have rules of operation whether a person went into that nursing home. we have basic regulations of nursing homes. we don't get into a fine detail of what a nursing home does in their policy of community indication with family members and what family members do they

commune wait with? do they talk to only the immediate family, et cetera? i think we release probably more than any other state in terms of nursing home data. there may be -- i'm not an expert, but i don't know what else we could release beyond number of deaths per nursing home that doesn't violate health care privacy. if there's a complaint that a nursing home is nonresponsive, then we will talk to that nursing home and follow up. but i don't know that we have any state regulations on this. >> not a regulation, but we do work on issues of communications between nursing homes and it is residents and their families. >> reporter: are you finding that nursing homes are not reporting fully or underreporting, or keeping information because they're afraid of the stigma? >> i hear you.

i don't know if that's what it is, because the dplum bers will come out. any nursing home that thinking they'll sit there and people won't figure out how many people passed away, they're kidding them selves. i have spoken to a number of newsing homes. think more than anything they're overwhelmed. they have staff shortages, staff are getting sick. the residence of the nursing home are under tremendous pressure. they haven't seen a loved one. they haven't had visitors. you have a large number of people dying, you're in a nursing home, everybody knows everyone, and people are dying. then you have the state coming in, saying, you must report this, i want this report by 5:00? and they're saying to me, with all due respect, govern op, i'm taking care of people's lives and you're saying do paperwork. i'm saying it's not really do

paperwork, it's important that people know and they're concerned, but you have to see the dynamic of the situation. i don't think there's anything nefarious. last question. >> reporter: have we gone federal approval to scale it up? >> we are working with the both the private sector as well as our own lab, and getting the information, sending a her to the fda about -- and we'll see where that comes. they're reviewing that at that point. that will help us scale up. >> last question. >> reporter: how many nursing home residents have actually been tested. yesterday you mentioned they would increase testing at nursing homes. how would you do that? >> i don't know that we would know. you know, nursing homes conduct their own tests. again they're private facilities, privately run facilities. we would have to do a surveying nursing homes and ask the

nursing homes how many tests have been performed? how often have you performed them? but it's not a question we would normally ask. we don't perform testing, by and large, in nursing homes. if there's a problem, we do, but there's about 600 nursing homes, and they do their own testing, which is another complication on this testing world. they also contract for tests, right? they're contracting for tests, hospitals are contracting. private corporations are contracting for tests. i know, i'm the acme corporation, i want to go back to work, they are calling labs saying i want to buy testing, because i want to test my employees. you have all these sources coming into these testing sites. i have to go to work. a. all right. everyone, there you were listening to the daily briefing

by govern orr cuomo, at the end there you heard about testing as well as the number one congregant issue in the state. welcome to all of you. good day from msnbc world headquarters. approaching a quarterback noon here in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. heres the latest facts during this house. mower than 700,000 confirmed cases across the country. 37,310 people have died. in fact just moments ago, as you were hearing, the governor of new york announcing 540 people died in the state yesterday, which remains the epicenter of this crisis in the united states, but that is the lowest daily increase in deaths that new york has seen in well over a week. the statewide death toll is now over 13,000. stunning number there. also today, new reporting from nbc news says that advisers are warning the president against moving too quickly to reopen the

economy, saying he's walk ago fine political line. we'll have more on that in a minute. first, more protests are expected today in several cities, rallies for an end to all the stay adhome orders after controversial tweets by the president calling to liberate certain states. we have new information from a leading democrat. >> we have to dial it down on both sides. we've got to get the politics out of this right now. it's not going to help anybody. but when you have the president saying to liberate your state, liberate minnesota? liberate virginia? that political right there. >> yes, it is. you know what? i have tell people, let's not bite. some states are already starting to ease re strikz. in florida very popular beaches, they are open today. governor desantis great the approval, despite the outbrack.

they emphasized they're for exercise only, and not for gathering or tanning. "new york times" reporting a staggering 7,000 coronavirus deaths at nursing homes around this country. let's go right now to corey kauffman. where do states stand on this push to reopen their economies in just a couple short weeks, may 1st? >> that's the goal, alex. still, even with some states partially reopening by may 1st, no state will be fully open at that time. my colleague has a look around the nation at what some states are doing. >> reporter: new york and san francisco tightening the rules, requiring all residents to wear

a face covering in public, while some parts of the country may be back in business sooner rather than later, as governors look to lift orders. >> opening texas must occur in stages. obviously not all businesses can open all ought one. >> texas aloning product pickup and beaches in jacksonville, florida, are now open for limited hours. in michigan, some of the strictest social distancing rules in the nation may loosen up for businesses on may 1st. this comes after protesters clogged roads in front of state capital, demanding they get back to work. the frustration also building in new jersey. and oklahoma. >> why crater the economy when the virus is not -- fortunately not as bad as what it was anticipated to be?

>> reporter: new york does remain the state with the most amount of cases. the governor has a goal of may 15th at the very earliest, alex. he does say testing will be a major requirement for reopening. he hayes said over and over again he knees more assistants from the federal government. that drew the ire of the president,st, tweeting -- he should do more time doing and less time complaining. quoto says he's done enough? none of us have done enough. this is not over. and this nursing home in queens reporting 29 deaths, but staffers think that could be closer to 60. over in new jersey police discovered 17 bodies in a makeshift mohr. that is a major concern for them, the governor saying that nursing homes is his number one concern today.

thank you, cori. the president's advisers are warning about political risks. let's go to monica at the without. good morning to you. >> alex, a balances act that continuing here for the president as he trying to assure americans he a reopening parts of the country safely and in phases, while also evaluating political what they might mean for his reelection down the road. our reporting shows that top his top aiding are warning him about easing restrictions too soon, in part maybe because of some polls that shows americans are worried that those will be eased too quickly and lifted too soon. a pugh report in particular from the last couple weeks showed that 66% are too afraid that those guidelines will be lifted too quickly while only 32% feel they may not be lifted quickly

enough. in those states that the president highlighted yesterday, we're talking about michigan, minnesota and virginia, those are all led by democratic governors. those are states that would be key to his reelection in november. the president seems to be targeting a message to his supporters. we saw there many of those are carrying trump flags where some of the most economic anxiety is being put forth by these protesters. take a listen to what the president's message is, because he says he knows they're listening. this is from the briefing. >> reporter: -- protesters to listen to local authorities? >> i think they're listening. i think they listen to me. there seems to be protester that respect my opinion, and my opinion is the same as just about all of the governors. >> reporter: the 79's campaign is telling me they are also actively planning now future rallies, with only six months to go until the general election.

that's something they're looking ahead to. the president himself has indicated he hopes to get back on the campaign trail, too. experts are warning that really mass gatherings should be avoided in the weeks if not maybe months to come, alex. that's something we'll be tracking. >> monica alba, thank you. in maryland this hour, protest to reopen the country just one day after his calling. he we're at the capital there. what are you seeing on the ground there, ali? >> reporter: alex, you were talking about the protests we have seen across the country, places like michigan and virginia. today that's the case here in annapolis, where protesters are mostly from their cars urging officials to reopen the state. larry hogan says he's seen cases on the rise here.

and in the larger dmv alone, their cases doubled this week. clearly, as governor hogan said, they're not seeing signs that they're ready to reopen the state yet. in terms of the people showing up here, yes there are people who seem to be here for the bold-faced reason they're in support of trump. but then there are also people say that politics is a secondary concern. i talked with one woman in her car, she's a business owner here who hasn't gotten a stimulus check, and who really want to see herself have the ability to work and bring in her money. she owns a beauty salon, and so, yes, for the most part i'm seeing people out here who are keeping politics urging governor hogan, who is a republican i would add, to reopen the state supporting the work that

president trump has done. at the same time, though, there are the people out here talking about the need to keep businesses open and keep the economy going. >> looking behind you, i'm concerned about the lack of everybody having a mask there. i know it's not the case in the state of maryland. they're not required as they are here in new york, and in los angeles, california now. that's concerning. just look around for your own safety and move away, right? >> reporter: i'll be honest, i'm not seeing people adhere to the social distancing we often talk about on this network and elsewhere. >> ali, thank you very much. joining me right now, ned lamont. i'm so gad to have you, sir. what do you think when you see people not respecting social distancing, as we just saw in that live shot there? how concerning is that to you?

>> i think they're crazy. just when we're beginning to flatten. curve, if we can keep our discipline a bit longer, it would be much better when we get our businesses open again. >> let's get to the protests against those stay-at-home orders. how about your react? do you think they are political driven rather than economically driven? is the president agitating some of these folks with his tweets? >> no question. there's politics around the edges right now, but there's also spring fever. it's getting warmer. people have been stay safe/stay at home for more than a month now. they're getting edgy. people's businesses have collapsed in many cases, i understand the frustration, but eel get more frustrated if you

rush back to work too soon and let this virus come back a second time. that would be a real blow to our confidence. >> let's pick up on the word "soon." do they line up with your own approach and those that ear doing in conjunction with the other northeast governors? what kind of a timeline do you have? is there something definite? is. >> i thought the guidelines were thoughtful. they were guidance to the governors knowing we would take the lead. if you have 14 consistent days of declining infections and hospitalizations, that's a leading indicator -- not to open up the next day, but to carefully go to tier one, which is beginning the process. then after 28 days, another 14 days, then you think about schools, you think about businesses on a very careful basis. i thought it was pretty responsible. >> okay.

first, you know the trump administration was accused of shutting out democratic gover r governors, in an effort to play favorites with those who god supplies. now you have the president who waffled, and now punking the decision to open -- why the flip-flop? >> well, when you say pointed to the governors, i say hallelujah. it all to belong to the governors. any help they can provide, the feds could be much more helpful with the pursing agent in china, but when it comes to a determination of how and when we start opening up our economy, let leave it to the governors. we stumbled into that decision, but now a place where it's unified with the white house and the governors. >> you said you agree really with a lot of the criteria.

among the things proposed is robust testing and the ability to independently provide ppe. your state of connecticut, what is the readiness on both fronds, sir? >> i'm not there. the testing has gone slowly. we have ramped up, done everything we can. rear ramping it you have ourselves. if we get more of the surgeonial mothing, you mentioned the nail salon in an earlier clip, sure they can come back, but once we have the testing that the person in the salon is tested as well as his or her client. >> let's talk about 350,000 filed in this past month, but that is a number you would typically severe over about two years. are you able to get help to your residents who need it? >> we are catching up.

it took us a while. this is 20 times the load that we saw in the last recession. it's just enormous. we've paid off about more than half of those claims. the other half will be paid off very soon. you know s. except for the free licensers, the independent contractors, that's a new program. that will take a bit longer. >> governor ed lamont, good to talk with you. best of luck. let's turn to the search for solutio solutions. dr. fauci said yet he is confident as we move forward. >> given what i just said and what i believe you will hear, for what we need in the first phase, if they things are done correctly, which i believe they can, we will have and there will be enough tests to allow us to take this country safely through face one. joining me now is dr. kavita

patel,ened with the obamma administration, and dr. azar. dr. azar, you first here, do you think we have the testing capacity to send people back to work? how extensive should that be? do you think that everyone oning to work should be required to -- >> in a recent articles, harvard researchers said we need to increase capacity roughly three times, saying that right now we're performing about 146,000 tests per day. that number would need to increase. in a lot of give areas in the country, the only people getting tested are sick enough to be hospitalized. what we would want a to test anybody who has mild to moderate symptoms who otherwise wouldn't remember hospitalization. i thought governor cuomo's description today of the mechanics was very informative, in that maybe we have capacity,

aka we have manufacturers who have the testing kids, but we don't have the reagent. so a lot of moving part. we're clearly not at that point yesterday. i appreciate dr. fauci's optimism. i would like to share that, but at the end of the day if i need to order a test, i need to get that done. >> dr. patel, the state of texas, already plans in play to reopen next week. in your estimate, is that too soon? we heard governor lamont say there are consequences to opening too early. do you share that concern? >> i do, alex. let me emphasize something. not all tests are equal. unfortunately i think we're sending a message to americans there's a test that would be like a golden ticket back to work or school, and certainly we know that actual tests out there for different things, diagnosing to check if you have immunity,

are not all performing the same way, which means the results don't necessarily tell you that you are clear and you might return to work. in texas, my tom state, for example, you have hospitals told by executive order of the governor that if they continue to do certain kinds of procedures, they can't ask the state for help for personal protective equipment. that pits the state's hospitals against the very people they're trying to serve. i'll be honest, it comes down testing, tracing, isolation, alex. you can't do anything unless you have a plan for all three of those. i can't think of a single state in the country that's ready today to do all all at least of those things? >> we're starting to get an idea -- dr. azar, you talked about hard varied, with the city of chelsea showed that nearly one third of the 200 blood samples of people who have not

tested positive shod exposure to the virus. that means you could do the math, about 64 of those people have antibodies. researchers were already aware that was an area with some of the highest cases in -- but are you surprised by there? >> i'm not surprised at all. i think that alliance perfectly well with what we've known about the asymptomatic transmission, and the additions tick testing we should perform. it could be noted they were using an antibody test, again which is what we call sero-surveillance to look for past exposure, not for accuse infection. again, we don't know how much this can be applicable to the rest of the country. it's just a snapshot of this particular community, but it gives us an indication of the background rate and penetrance,

apparently according to health officials at massachusetts. >> there is one drug broadband tested, an antiviral called r remdevivir. most makes patients were discharged in less than a week so are you hopeful about these early results? are you putting in stock in them we have the earlier data. that was an open trial, it doesn't have a control arm, which we really do need, otherwise we might be tempted to deploy treatments without really understanding the harms that

could come from these treatments. maybe a better way to put it into context, alex, is we saw a local of early trials for cancer treatment, but we know that prevention is the best. to people wearing non-medical masks or some form of distancing, i can't emphasize enough that that will be the best medicine for this problem. >> doctors, thank you so much. a series of outbreaks at meat packing plants could lead to a shortage. n clothes you want to wear always seem to need an iron? try bounce wrinkle guard dryer sheets. the bounce wrinkle guard shorts have fewer wrinkles and static, and more softness. it's the world's first mega sheet that does the job of three dryer sheets! bounce out wrinkles. here's the thing about managing for your business.s when you've got public clouds, and private clouds, and hybrid clouds- things can get a bit cloudy for you.

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hot spot is threatening the meat backing industry after more than 100 worker tested positive for covid 19 we are live just north of philly. let's talk about the latest there. what are you hearing? >> reporter: good afternoon, alex. these four plants are actually looking to reopen this week after being closed for about two to three weeks at the plants. they're looking to follow new workers safety guidelines. acyou've been talking with plant workers, they're industries expressing concerns, because there might be the issue of getting infected and bringing it

home to their families. i spoke with a security gart who just quit this morning. he's concerned, as he's seen the new daptations to worker safety guidelines, he's still not sure it's going to be enough. take a listen to what he said. >> you have an autoimmune kidney disease. if i happen to catch there, my system goes kerplunk, and i'm done. they're putting everybody in danger for the sake of i'm guessing making food. if they hadded to do that properly, they would limb the amount of people coming in and the amount of exposure we all have to each other. >> reporter: there's about 1400 workers who work at this plant. bobby took issue with the quality of the masks and face shields, as well as the temperature checks. they were thermometers that they've been using and they

haven't been given accurate reads. it was going to be one of his jobs to test the temperatures. one rep told me that the protocol in writing is good, but not great, and it's going to depend on management for implementing these new protocols, and these workers, as -- they are not sacrificial workers, alex. >> absolutely not. maura barrett, thank you for that. massive lines, like the one you'll see here in texas, have been forming at food banks after the outbreak left millions without jobs. then in new york city, a nonprofit organization is ramping up their services to try to keep up with the rising number of people in need. joining mess is president and ceo of in god's love we deliver. karen, a big welcome to you. so many are so grateful to what you're doing there with your organization, but give me a sense of the up tick, in

delivery questions that you have received. >> sure. it's great to see you, alex. so since the pandemic began, god's love has gotten so many more referrals -- and from the last six weeks we have grown 22% in the number of clients we serve and in the numbers of meal we're cooking at home delivery. >> so how operations have changed. >> our operations have changed in almost every possible way that you can imagine. we have changed many of our protocols. we have streamlined our menu, even though it is still totally overseen by registered dietitian, nutritionists and meet the nutrition rimpls of our very vulnerable clients who are sick to start with. we changed our vote opportunity protocol, everyone is screened before they come into the building. we have changed our delivery protocol. it's now a no-contact delivery

so that there's no actual hand-off. our drivers do stick around at a safe six to eight-feet distance and make sure they see the clean when they pick up the food. they have an opportunity to say hello, check hout they're feeling, and just let people know that our drivers and all of us here really care about them. >> sounds like you are on it in exactly the right way. i know that god's love was originally created to help people in the aids crisis back in the '80s. do you see any parallels? >> we actually do. working in crisis and working to immediate the urgent need of our clients is sort of in our dna. it's what we do. but what we learned is even though people are isolated, alone and there's a lot of fear out in the community, people need good quality healthy, nutritious food to survive and

actually stay out of the hospital, which is the most dangerous place for them to been right now. and soo we have taken all of that love and caring and rethought it for what today's protocols demand of us, and our staff, volunteers and community have so risen to the challenge, it's an honor and point of great pride to watch this all unfolding, and we're using all that love and caring once again to deliver the nutrition and the food that our clients desperately need at this very, very scary time for them. >> karen pearl, you put a smile on my face as i was listening to you, which i thank you, and you know all your customers and clients for god's love deliver very much pressure you. >> thank you. governor newsom is saying they're suffering from a panic-reduced recession. he'll join us.

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pandemic-induced recession in the state. one of the cochairs of that task force is our friend, former presidential candidate tom steyer. so good to see you. that announcement yesterday when you got behind the podium, i thought great, this is great, we have tom in on this. look, the state of california, i don't have to tell you, it has the largest economy here in the united states. "the san francisco chronicle" reporting how many californians applied for unemployment. that matches the jobs added since the last recession. what is the first thing you want to tackle. >> alex, i think it's important to know that the health and safety of californianss have to absolutely come first and governor newsom has been providing exception at

leadership during this health creases, that has to be preeminent even though we know they're suffering economically, scared about their jobs and scared about taking care of their families. the first thing we have to remember is that, as we support a jobs recovery here, that recovery has to be fair, it has to be green, and it has to be forward-looking, that we can't do what happened after the great recession of 2008, where in fact what happens is most of the support went to the richest people in america. we have to make sure that this recovery and all the efforts are aware that the under-resourced communities in our society are suffering the most, and they have to be first and foremost in our minds 'we come out. >> how do you approach the health of the economy and the health of individual americans. surely there's got to be a way to do this simultaneously.

>> well, i think, alex, we are going to do this as fast as safely possible. i think we have to keep the health and safety of americans and k58 calan iak58 and califor mind. we are in economic free fall. people are very scared. it's a time when leadership is absolutely critical. people need to know their leaders, like governor newsom are forward-thinking and compassionate, but also trying to make sure that we come out in the best possible way and as fast as safely possible. we cannot compromise safety and health, as we spur a fair jobs recovery. >> yeah, but when you talk about leadership, tom, it begs the question of the president and hess response, how effectively has the administration handled this pandemic in your mind? >> look, i think that the real leadership in this country has coming at the state and local

level. i think we have seen that pretty clearly, and i think california is a perfect example, alex, that we have seen real leadership from governor newsom that's been a very steady, wide hand at the tiller, but i think we've been seeing great leadership. i think people are taking great comfort in the people who are making decisions here, and i think we're going to try to make sure as we go forward, people know we're thinking about this, not just in terms of straight economics, a green future, and one that, plays on california's long history and looking to the future and creating a better future for everybody in the state.

in support of protests happens again the state at-home regulations, many of which follow the recommendation of his administration. what is that about? i know there's talk about opening it i think they'll have to be steady here, because we can't open up the economy until it's safe to do it. that would be a dramatic mistake economically, as well as from a health standpoint. the first thing is to make sure that it's in -- and them open up in a way that we keep that utmost in our mind. i can't emphasize enough we need to use this crisis that's exposed some of our injustice,

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good day, everybody. welcome. we're going to get you up to date. let's get to the latest facts at this hour, as we have more than 700,000 coronavirus cases confirmed. one of the day's other big headlines is new york governor cuomo announcing 540 people died yesterday. however, it is the lowly deadly increase that the state has seen in more than a week. the governor also announcing the

number of people hospitalized is going down. the statisticians will say, have we passed the apex? hit the plateau and flattened for a period of time? are we now on the way off the plateau if you look at the past three days, you can't argue we are past the plateau and starting to descend, which would be good news. protests rallies for an end to the stay-at-home orders. florida beaches are all open today. governor ron desantis gave the go ahead despite the growing outbreak. they say they're only open for exercise, not to go tanning or

hang out in large groups. advisers are warning the president against moving too quick quickly le ate go to monica alba. we have him -- and that's why you saw a shift this week from starting and the president saying he had total authority, he shifted that by telling the governmentors that they called their own shots. we blower and we are told some of the public polling that they are -- by lifting guidelines too soon.

which surveyed people with both parties show that too quickly. that's why it does become a political tightrope. you have the president trying to way health recommendations while thinking about the people and the places that might be most critical to his reelection hopes and might carry him over to a second term in november. >> the governors are responsible for testing, and i hope they'll be able to use this tremendous amount of available capacity that we have. it's up to 1 million additional tests per week. in the next few weeks we'll be sending out 5.5 million tests swabs to the state, swabs can be done easily by the governors themselves. mostly it's cotton. it's not a big deal. if they can't get it we will take care of it. it's -- as they look to try to

make a play for how to reeach, and most governors, say that testing is a critical issue. that's why you have the white house here briefs for so long about how they plan to do that and rapidly scale up that testing. the president is clear that he is passing this big onto the states. that's largely because we understand he wants to escape any blame coming from that down the road. you just saw the president tweeting hess's adding inin ini briefing. that's notable, because vice president pence is in colorado for most of the pay. the president will appear with other members of the task force, briefing and taking questions today. >> monica, thank you. car protests taking place in hour in annapolis, maryland as -- let's go to ali vitaly.

so what are you hearing and seeing from these protester, ali? >> reporter: it's really loud here. can you hear the honking from cars. that's the way they're doing this protests. they are for the most part staying in their cars and driving in a circle around one of the main sirle here in downtown annapolis. some people are out of their cars walking around, not wearing masks, not necessarily adhering to the southerly distancing. rying to pressure state officials to reopen the state. some of these are wearing pro-trump garb. some of these with american flags with the trump insignia on it. but some are afraid -- and with the -- i want you to hear from one of those women who i spoke

to from her car. listen to what she told me. why are you out here? why is it important for you to be out here? >> i need my job. i have no money coming in. i have employees. i have i don't qualify for unemployment. is this work the our lives and businesses? if we can't live, we might as well die. because she i have to say we've been out here the last few hours or so. we've seen the same 30 cars or so, with signs ranging from the serious one. like dolores was holding to others who say simply i need a haircut. governor hogan as has he

understands why people want to see the state reopen, but the data is showing it's not now a good time to do so. as of the last update we had. they've got more than 12,000 cases here in maryland alone. the governor saying he understands, but now is the no the time to reopen. the vocal group here -- >> there was a rather absurd back of a car who written if you're losing your free speech. >> anyway, just a couple observations, ali vitaly, thank to you. new york's governor updated the number of coronavirus deaths in the state, now crossing 17,000. the governor's also been focused on the growing number of people dying at nursing home. a total of 7,000 across this country. let's go to cori coffin.

the governor is balances all of this. >> he's moving forward very methodically, if you will, because new york has the highest number of not only cases but deaths. for new york it's such a greater pressure to make sure that you're not going forward too soon with reopening and re-creating a spine. he did say we're hope 68 we're on the other side of that. governor is getting a bit of push back is the need for testing. he feels that's one of the reasons he will hold for the state, at least until may 15th at the very earliest. he feels that testing is so vitally important and we need the government's help, states do, in testing. he mentioned that. despite the fact he's a proponent of getting more government help for testing, he also said that he is a proponent

of having the states individually decide when they reopen, because he does believe the numbers dictate strategy. take a listen to what he says about that. you open one area, but not another, i can drive through that area, i can go to a restaurant, a bar, do whatever i want in that area? yeah, you can't now create an unintended consequence of where you have a flood of people there, right? they opened a beach in jacksonville, i think it was -- some beach in florida, and like the whole beach was filled you open a beach. people will drive from everywhere to go to the beach. >> so the governor acknowledging it, it's not a perfect system.

alex, people should still continue to use common sense, but for the most part, but for the most part it's the best path forward. as well on may 1st, and finally you have florida, we mentioned with some of those beaches reopening for exercise. alex? >> cori coffin, thank you. let's turn to testing. joining mess is dr. john torres. good to see you asally, dr. torres. we heard dr. fauci say he thinking the country has what it needs in terms of testing. how about you? where do you think we are in the process of reopening.

>> i think the answer is that it depends on where you are. in some areas i'm still hearing from some of the my doctor friends they're having a hard time getting test. others areas not so much. and they're looking for the antibody tests, and there have been a couple studies saying a lot more people have coronavirus than we knew beforehand, but we suspected that would happen, so it's not something that's unusual to this point, but at the same time it does tell us a lot more people have it out there or possibly had it and had recovered from it than we've been reporting, so we need to be very careful, because that is everyone's big concerns, getting back to socializing a bit more, we need to be careful that we don't spread this virus more. >> as people head back to work, do you think everybody should be tested?

is that even a viable possibility? >> i don't think it's a reality, i don't think it's a viable possibility. there are 320 million americans plus here. of that, you know, this is hundreds of millions that actually work. getting that many tests out is nearly possible. to ramp up that fast, plus you would have to test them on a regular base. so i think some type of surveillance system, where you sample people randomly. from that you can infer in areas what's happening, but you need to do it on a regular basis. the reality is to test everybody at a constant basis across the country is not something that any country could do. to days those tests are still hard to get. >> there's a lot of people out

on the beach in florida to get exercise, but they're packed pretty choicely together, not observing social distancing necessarily. when you hear about texas saying, you know what? starting monday we'll reopen the parks, and we're on the way to reopening states. what are your biggest concerns? what are the consequences of opening too early? >> biggest concerns are a couple. once, once we know people will go out, we know the cases are going to go up, regardless of when you do it. the thing is to have the surveillance in place, the contact tracing in place. plus like you said, when people gog to the beach, to the park, they have the intention of social distancing, but just human nature, you tend to get closer and closer as times goes on, so it's one of the things you want to be careful of. in different parts of the country it's different, and some are saying we need to get back to work.

they just need to make sure they do it safely. that's what they're looking at doing. >> so we're getting a pretty good idea of what more -- there's a study from massachusetts, the city of chelsea, showed a third of the tests, they showed exposure to the virus, so that means about 64 of the people have the antibodies. researchers in that area knew that chelsea had one of the highest rates of cases in the state, but that's a lot of people that did not know they at some point had the virus. what are your thoughts on that? does that surprise you? >> it doesn't surprise me. it tell mess what we know about the virus, up to 50% of the people don't have symptoms or very low level symptoms. they felt a little under the weather, maybe a bit of a hacking cough that went away. in santa clara county, they did

a similar antibody test and found the numbers were much higher, which means they had been exposed to the virus, the virus was in their body, but didn't know it. the experts have been saying that all along, so that's not a big splice, but the concern is using that as a method of surveillance is something we need to do, and we're not quite there yet. we need to make sure that we understand who has it, who hasn't had it, who is vulnerable for it. >> dr. torres, thank you for the advice and interpretation of everything out there. she's one of the tough owes fighters o congresswoman katy porter joins me next. what might big companies try to get away with that needs to be stopped? llation. like way more vanities perfect for you. nice. way more unique fixtures and tiles. pairing. ♪

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even less than 1% of americans have been tested, some

governors are looking to reopen of state. governor abbott said they'll open certain parts of the economy on monday. priscilla thompson is in south houston. good to see you. what are you hearing about the opening before widespread testing is even available? >> reporter: as you mentioned on friday, the governor actually announced an executive order and announced a strike force on how the economy will reopened. the keep here, both state and officials are saying will be allows the data and the science test tests i'm here at a mobile site, where they drive around to different neighborhoods to try to targets, because people were only going to sites near them. the governor for his part has

also memphasized he wants to kep increasing tests, but his message to, and that they will not be coerced going back to work and it will be on their employers to make sure everything is sanitized. that's the message that local official in harris county would emphasize. take a listen to what the county commissioner told me. >> those who go back to work will be in phases, and measures put in place so they're safe when they go back. obviously a lot of people are hurt in the economy. all our hearts go out for them. we have to be as concerned for our lives as we are about our livelihood. >> reporter: governor abbott has said elective surgeries will be able to be gin next beak and how

to-go orders from restaurants will be allowed to do that as businesses that were previously deemed nonessential like certain stores. we expect more announcements later this months as he work to rehome. >> thank you priscilla. the gooch as -- is terribly out of money, and as struggling businesses are -- treasury secretary steve mnuchin asked for an additional $250 billion last week. democrats now sending a new compromise offer which includes money for testing and hospitals as well as state and local funding. joining me now california congresswoman katie porter. congresswoman good to see you. apparently both sides agree that

more money is needed. what do you think it's going to take to break stalemate. do you think congress is up against a wall now since the initial money has run out? >> it's clear that the need for help for our small businesses is even stronger than congress initially anticipated. i think there's a great deal of agreement across the democratic caucus and among republicans that we need to help small businesses, that the best solution here is to keep workers on payroll as much as we can, to keep small businesses if not open at least function all in terms of having folks on payroll, continuing to have health insurance, so everyone agrees on the goal here, but what we're trying to do is make sure the money goes to a wide array of businesses, including our smallest businesses, businesses with three employees or ten or 20 employees. the definition of a small

business goes up to 500 employees. what we have seen already is about a third of the money went to businesses requesting $1 million or more in loans, whereas a much smaller fraction of the money is going to our smallest businesses. democrats want to make sure we address that going forward. >> do you have a guesstimate stotts when you might come to an great? agreement? >> we have been working very hard on it. we had a conference call on thursday, but this is really speaker pelosi and the committee chairs working directly with the republican counterparts. this is not a -- this is a two on between or one on one negotiation, but i will tell i my colleagues and i assist across the country expressed repeatedly to house leadership how important this relief is for our small businesses. i echo that. i'm hearing from all kinds of businesses in my district,

saying they've applied, haven't heard anything, and they're worried they're going to be left behind. >> we had the president putting the blame for this directly on the democrats. he tweeted people started losing their jobs, do nothing democrats who should immediately come back to washington and approve legislation to help families and america. end your endless vacation. is this what americans want to hear right no? is this what they need to be hearing? >> first off, i don't think name-calling is ever helpful or appropriate. i certainly don't encourage my children to do it, and would punish them if they called names like that. i always try to be respectful. we don't win by calling names. second, you want to be clear. i have been working 16 and 18-hour days. my colleagues have, too. the fact that we're not in washington doesn't mean we're not working very, very hard.

i've been reviewing proposed legislation, on the phone with constituents, calls with ply colleagues and leadership and chairs, so there's a lot going on, to say if we only got back to washington somehow things would -- what would help us take action is if republicans, including the president, would agree that every small business, whether it has two employees or 200, deserves the chance to get help. that will help us move forward. >> i know you've been a big proponent on accountability, in response partly to you livenation which owns tick ticketmaster announced a refund policy, and how do you get corporations to not take advantage of americans? >> the congressman from new

jersey and i sent out a letter. we put that letter out in social media. this is clearly on the minds of a lot of people. ives very pleased that livenation has made the right choice. i think this illustrates, one, how hard congress members are working whether at home or in washington, that we're paying attention to what corporations are doing and what real problems are in the lives of our constituents, so 'em congress member has a duty to fight for the american people. i was pleased to work can the congress member from new jersey. >> can you good i have me an example of where and how you might worry about corporations trying to take advantage of americans, something that would probably make americans angry if they were to get away with it? >> i think one of the things we're concerned about is where is the money flowing from the

federal reserve, from the lending facilities. a lot of that money has started to flow out. secretary mnuchin retained a couple investment banks to advice the treasure rid. what kind of fees are beg paid to wall street and what kind of businesses are drawing money out of the federal reserve. that's why the congressional oversight commission is so important, and relieved that we have four of the five members named and looking forward to seeing that commission getting up and running. this money is all resting with the treasury and fed, and that's all aimed to going to larger businesses. there's a lot of fear when we're seeing families really suffer without employment and lack of ability to make ends meet right now. congresswoman katie porter, thank you very much. how digital contact tracing could work here in the u.s., and

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top of the hour, aye colleague discusses why today's minority businesses are being hit hard. why this could wipe out a generation of progress. breaking news in the coronavirus pandemic, there are now more than 700,000 camped indications here in the united states. more than 37,000 people have died. a protest is under way outside the texas capitol building. the you can't close america rally has been promoted by infowars. people are carrying signs, chancing for the governor to reopen the state. in washington state new rapid testing is available? spoke could county. the drive-thru clinic is only for health care workers, first responders and high-risk patients. they say results come back in five minutes, negative results take 13.

>> this test will allow people to make better decisions. the hawaii governor is shutting down parts of his state. people cannot sit, stand nor lay out on the beach, but they are allowed to surf, kayak or swim as long as they practice social distancing. violators could face a $5,000 fine. this week apple announced it will join other big-tech companies to figure out how coronavirus might be transmitted in the future. they are doing it with the data we're already handing over from

our personal devices. jake ward has more on that from francis for us. what have you found out about this. >> this is an effort on the part of google, facebook and now apple as of last week to try to use a nonmized data. this is not the data that would tell you where we were at any given moment, but aggregate data that would give them a sense on the map of how often people are or are not moving during the coronavirus. policy makers are trying to figure out whether sheltering at home as some are -- and in this case google maps has already shown we're moving around about 50% less than we were back in february. that's including a huge drop to schools, huge drop in moves to places like parks and restaurants, the rest of it.

all of that is just vitally important. the next step up from that, is that apple and google also announced about a week and a half ago they would be moving forward with a tech long cal idea to enable contact tracing. say i go on a jog in my neighborhood and i happen to pass a couple people along the way. my phone might register the proximity of their phones, and then the two of us would be registered in one another's system as having been together. they would become contacts. let's say one of us tests positive for the virus. the others would also le alerted, hey, you've been in close contact with someone who got infected, thereforic probably quantity tee. so we're looking monitored by our phones on an ongoing basis.

>> they still have what they're saying like a scarlet letter, "c" being identified as such, so people don't want to be identified. do they have to self-identify, in order for this to work, and say i had it? >> well, this is the thing, right? the companies creating the technology say they have a system for making sure that your individual identity is protected, but of course for this to actually work. for it to be used to get the economy going against, you would in some way have to be identified, have to show that no, i have not by this system, been shown to be positive for the now i have the antibodies that way confer immunity. so there is incredible tension

here. the tension between the incredible desire to reopen the economy, because if we stay in like we are right now, the economy will be a shambles in six months to a year, and then the public health need to try to monitor and keep close the communities that have been touched by this. so business leaders that i'm speaking to and tech leaders say we have to get the economy going again, but public health leaders are saying but we all have to stay inside. how we get those things together, creating a skal letter system like you talked about, it's not clear. >> jacob ward, thank you so much. state governors are divided over the president's reopening plans. some say it's too early without adequate testing. there are others edges closer.

joining me now we have two msnbc analysts. elise, how much are republicans embracing the guidelines to reopen the company. >> i was a big surprised some governors who usually jump as high's they can when trump asks for anything didn't immediately go no lockstep. you look at the governor of mississippi, that stay-at-home order was set to set to expiring in a couple dales, but extended it. governor ivey also said she wasn't going to ease up soon, so i think it's been a mixed balance. i think the ground realities have put this into sharp focus for governors who are losing a lot of men and women in their home states. that makes sense. >> zerlina, in several tweets, the president was encouraging

liberating states, and the tweets pushed many online communities to speculate whether the president was advocating for armed conflict. how much is the debate taking a -- >> there are lethal ramifications for the debate. since the beginning of the presiden presidency, we come on every weekend and talk about the president's tweets and the fact that really i believe he's a walking, talking national security threat. i felt that way since the beginning. now we're finally see the consequences, when you have the president who can't tell the truth, and to elise's pointi great to see some of the governors go against the political bluster, just stick to the facts and the science. the science says we can't feel really safe in schools and in our businesses and in offices

around this country until we are sure that we cannot contract this virus. essential you're almost operating in a world where everybody is an asymptomatic carrier. i have to assume -- i live with a scientist. i am quarantined with a biologist. one of the things i've had to do, as somebody who is always immersed is just be quiet, listen to the experts like dr. fauci, who is essential warnings us we may not be able to get back to normal. it's unfortunate that in this moment we have a political leader who is not carrying about the people and their lives. when talking about the protesters, white house adviser and conservative economist stephen moore said i call them the modern-day rosa parks. i would love your reaction to

that. >> it's cynical. it's what the right does every time. they try to cynically deploy ridiculous statements to get liberals upset to own the lib, so to speak. this is a moment whenibility even entertainment conferring whether that's a point that has merit. it doesn't. rosa parks was a brave, courageous american who fought for the rights of people who looked like me, alex. i think that anybody who would compare the people who are putting their own lives at risk -- what is so unfortunate by these folks being manipulated by powerful interests, possibly even foreign governments -- we saw this during the 2016 election. it's so unfortunate that these people are being manipulated by powerful interests and putting their lives at risk an and anyone they come into contact with. >> real quickly, 66% of americans say they are concerned about the government easing the

restrictions too quickly. do you think this president will listen to that kind of a number? >> alex, i was concerned to read that donald trump suddenly is pushing for gyms to be reopened, after he talked to the soulcycle owner. so you can't tell donald trump is going to float in whatever direction of the last person he spoke to, but i think that that poll reflects in a americans are scare right now as they should be. this is a terrifying time of a lot of uncertainty, and many people who are grieving the loss of their loved ones, and are not getting solace in the traditional grieving rituals, and it's a tough, tough time for americans, and that fact is inescapable, and you don't necessarily line up with your political leader when it differs from how you personally have been impacted. >> yeah, absolutely. i love soul cycle as much as the

next person, but i have no sdib to go to a cramped studio right next to somebody. no, not yet. ladies, thank you both. good to see you. america's food supply chain is interrupted. h and also tonight the world health organization global citizen are presenting a concert. viewers will be encouraged to make a pledge to stay at home. grammy winner pharrell williams said he believes it would bring hope. >> well, see, that's the thing, though. the disease is -- is, you know, knows no color. it doesn't matter whether you're rich, you're smart or powerful, or you don't have a high school education, have no influence,

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the health care issues surrounding the workers is what's most relevant here. the secondary issue is the amount of food in the supply chain and the distribution. we can always milk more cows, we can always freeze our chickens, vegetables will continue to bloom, and they will continue grow, especially as spring and summer comes to the rest of america. what we could replace are the people. with 640 cases in the smithfield plant in south dakota, half the cases in the case of south dakota come from that one plant. that state does not have a stay-at-home order. we've also historically over the course of the entire history of this country going back 400 years have marginalized these communities of people who we now call essential workers, the people who were doing the work that so many other don't want to do. this has been especially prevalent in america, right?

the problem here, as those worker get sick and can't keep going to their $12 an hour job, who is going to step in to do that work? that petrifies me. that smithfield plant is responsible for 4% of the pork distribution in america. 4%. it's a staggering number. technically we do have enough food in america right now to feed everyone. the issue is primarily health care protecting those workers. secondarily distribution getting the food to the places where the people are intersecting with it, right? restaurants and schools are closed, now we have to get that food going exclusively to them to grocery stores, community resource kitchens, et cetera. >> this is a question to you about that, particularly the farms that solely grow crops for restaurants, they have their contracts with them. what is happening to those crops? can they be districted to the

stores? i saw a beautiful cornfield being plowed under. what a waste. >> it's or arriving, especially in a country where we're seeing 40% food waste historically fo% to 25% hunger in america. we now have more people hungry. so to see more food being wasted is heartbreaking. what i can say is this: the distribution models are being rerouted now. one of the biggest trends in food over the last couple of weeks is what we're calling direct-to-consumer, where alex and andrew's chicken farm that was selling to 40 or 50 restaurants in the new york metro area are now selling exclusively online. they're also participating in these community resource kitchens. those are restaurants that are now feeding the hungry, either pickup or delivery, but also have tables set up for customers to buy grocery products.

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manmade. it was naturally occurring. what they're saying, though, is there are at least two labs in wuhan where viruses in bats like this coronavirus were being studied. one in particular, the wuhan institute of virology, is a world-renowned expert on these kinds of viruses. they've found them in caves in bats. and u.s. intelligence officials are investigating the possibility that the virus leaked out, sma someone was accidently infected at this lab, walked out and infected other people and that began the pandemic. now, the director of that lab has given an interview to chinese state television adamantly denying that this could be possible. what he didn't deny is they were studying variations of this virus at that lab. there's a lot we don't know. u.s. officials say it's not conclusive, but something they are looking at. >> here's a question, is china cooperating with this? >> well, china hasn't been very cooperative with almost anything the americans have wanted to know, including providing early samples of the virus. so the answer to that is no. and the lack of transparency is fueling suspicions here that the chinese may have something to

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hello, everyone. i'm alicia menendez. 88 days, just under three months, since the first confirmed case of covid-19 was identified in the united states. the disease killing thousands every day. that's not stopping calls to get back to business. many experts are urging governments to take it slow, but some people are gathered in large groups to protest, and there are reports that some of the protests are organized by pro-trump, pro-business political powers. plus it took less than an hour for people to pack the beaches in jacksonville, florida. i'll ask the mayor about that and his plans for south florida. and we have an analysis of why the president is trying to blame the world health organization. and also, how did money meant