and now, they're into a whole different thing between omar and aoc plus three. add them on. you have -- i mean, the things that he say about israel are so bad. and i can't believe it. now just for a minute. i would be interested to see that. but they go after christian churches. but they don't tend to go after mosques. i don't want them to go after mosques. i do want to see what they're bent is. in the back? >> mr. president, go ahead, please. >> you are suggesting that they wouldn't follow social distancing? >> i just had a call with them. i'm somebody that believes in faith. and it matters not what your faith is but our politicians seem to treat different faiths very differently. and they seem to think -- i don't know what happened with our country.

but the christian faith is treated much differently than it was. it is treated very unfairly. >> i just want to ask -- >> in the back, please. >> the paycheck protection program saved 15 million jobs and run out of money. the democrats specifically nancy pelosi have been blocking that funding. do you know why speaker pelosi is dragging her feet on that? >> they shiz it's politics. i don't think it's good politics. nancy pelosi has been blocking it. schumer is blocking it. i think they think it's good politics. i don't think it's good politics. i think it's bad politics. i don't care about the politics. it's so great for our country because we're going to have all of these companies that are -- you know, it's a bigger employer. let's say it's the same. essentially, it's the same power all of these small businesses added together as the big companies. about 50/50.

they can't make it because they're closed. we're taking money to take care of the employees. they can get back into business. even with democrats, it passed unanimously twice the first section which is $350 billion. so we're trying to get 250. nancy is blocking it. she sits in her house in san francisco overlooking the ocean and she doesn't bawant to come back. she doesn't want to come back to d.c. she's got to get back and get this thing approved. it's very important. please. the go ahead. >> you then praised the american people for doing their part over the past few weeks. what goes through your mind when you see photographs of crowded beaches in florida. is that a concern? >> as i described, we go metro by metro, county by county.

and so i'd have to link that with a specific county and look at their case rates. i believe the governor and the public health system that florida has, they have some of the best county public health individuals i have ever had to deal with. they are amazing. i had to work with them under hiv aids. the county health directors believe that's appropriate for their county, then i'm not going to second judge an individual's approach to this. i can't see into every single county and look at the rates. i can just see there is no cases. i don't know if that is a county with very small cases or not. i think the county health official will know. >> and manufacture the counties, as you know, are really free of this horrible enemy. we're opening up. you'll see a lot of the country open up quickly. please? >> you mention the importance of

social distances but, for example, stephen morris, someone you appointed to your open the country task force, is organizing a protest in wisconsin but aren't they in a sense protesting your very own guidelines? >> we have a flexibility. i didn't see what stephen said. i can tell you he's a very good economist. he's been calling shots right. >> sorry. he said we need to be the rosa parks of government injustices. >> there is a lot of injustice. when you look at virginia and they want to take your guns away. if they want to violate your second amendment. when you look at, i mean, look, i'm getting along very lice floo -- nicely with the governor. she has all the crazy things. i really believe somebody sitting in their boat in a lake should be okay. they shouldn't arrest people. they're being unreasonable. i think virginia is a great case

though. they're using this. they're trying to take your guns away in virginia. and if people in virginia aren't careful, that's what's going to happen to them. so, yeah, i mean, i could see where he's coming from. i think it's strong statement, strong statement. hopefully this will be over very soon for all of us. but some have gotten carried away. they have absolutely gotten carried away. i notice there are a lot of protests out there. and i just think that some of the governors have gotten carried away. we have a lot of people that don't have to be told what they're doing. they've been really doing everything we've asked them. we have a few states where, frankly, i spoke to the governors and i could have gotten this tomorrow do if i wanted to do what would have been perhaps politically

correct. thaur und they're under a mandate and agreed to do certain things. we have incredible people in our country. for the most part, it's a strong statement. i understand where it's coming from. one of the greats would be -- one of the really important places that people really to start looking at is what's going on in virginia. because that's a mess. with really a governor under siege anyway. yeah, please. with the beautiful head of white hair. go ahead. i'll tell you if i like his hair in a minute. after he asks the question. talk about lifting restrictions in the states, opposing concern for the governors and unrest and other things. >> well, i think just for that question, i think that's an easy one. that's not even politics. we're entitled to a second amendment. and he's trying to take the

second amendment. meaning that state is trying to take the democrats in that state, the republicans are fighting it. they're trying to take that second amendment right. that second amendment right away. to me, that's liberty. that's -- when i say liberate virginia, i would say liberate virginia when that kind of thing happens. and when does it all snop i think it's a very good analogy. go ahead. >> is this the right time to kind of bring in a second amendment issue? >> i think when they talk about taking your guns away and if you notice, at the beginning of this pandemic, there were more guns sold i than at any time in history. because -- so it's obviously a big issue. then you have them working and signing documents trying to take your second amendment away essentially. i do think it's a appropriate time to bring it up. >> this past week has been a slew of events from adversaries, north korea, russia, china, and iran, all pushing back on u.s.

policy or toying with u.s. military forces. what is your message to these countries that may be trying to take advantage? >> i don't see it. no, i don't see it. we had a very good relationship with russia. we worked on the oil deal together. by telephone, king of saudi arabia and president of russia. putin. we worked out a deal on oil that was a very important deal to them and to us and to saudi arabia. i worked with putin and the king on that. and president putin is a total gentleman and very important to get that done. and the king was great. we also had to bring in mexico. mexico was a lone holdout. you know the story. i think we're doing fine. sure, it's north korea i see the testing short range missiles and, you know, been doing it a long time. i received a nice note from him

recently. a nice note. i think we're doing fine. look if, i wasn't elected, you would right now be at war with north korea. okay? i'll tell you for you people that don't understand the world and dhoethey don't understand t world and how life works. if i want elected, maybe the war would be over hopefully with a victory. if if you remember when i first came in, we didn't have ammunition. not a good way to fight a war. president obama left nous no ammunition and no medical and ventilators. he left us the cupboard was dry. i think right now you'd be at war essentially in some form, it would be over, raging with north korea if i weren't president. we're doing just fine with north korea. just fine. we'll see how it ends up. in the meantime, trump is giving up. they said i don't know. then they said he met. oh, i met.

obama wanted relationship. he wouldn't meet with obama. i have a good relationship with him. we met at the line. i stepped over the line. the first time i think lining that ever happened. it's all good. it's good, the stupid people or the haters, this he say trump's given up so much. real. >> i i've actual lyn creased the sanctions. the boarder is stone cold closed. the relationship with china is good once they found out about. this once we found out -- look, we just made a trade deal. china thooz buy $250 billion a year on our product. $50 billion from the farmers. 40 to $50 billion from the farmers. the relationship was good when we were signing that. but then all of a sudden, you hear about this. so it's a big difference. you know, the question was asked

would you be angry at china? the answer may be a resounding yes. it depends. was it a mistake that got out of control or was it done deliberately? okay? that's a big difference between those two. and either event, they should have let us go in. you know, we asked to go in very early. and they didn't want us in. i think they were embarrassed. i think they knew it was something bad. they were embarrassed. but, you know, no, i think we're doing very well. you said russia, china, north korea, iran. when i came in, iran was a terror. we had 82 points of fighting. we had 18 pounts of major confliction. the first week i said tell me about iran. sir, we have 18 points of confliction. meaning, yemen, syria, iraq, they're going into iraq all over the place. they're much different nation right now. i stopped that horrible deal.

horrible deal. and they want to talk except that kerry violated the logan act. he made the deal. he doesn't want them in a deal because i would have made a deal in my opinion. except that john kerry, who made the deal originally, a stew bid de stupid deal. he gave him $150 billion in cash. that smorn this room ten times with $100 bills. that is teen times with $100 bills and not that small a room. he violated the logan act. i think it was major violation. i think we would have had a deal fit wasn't for john kerry. he doesn't want to be embarrassed. he said let's wait until after the election. maybe sleepy joe biden will win. if sleepy joe biden wins, you'll own the united states. and china will own the united states. china paid us, you know, for "the wall street journal," hundreds of billions of dollars. is that right? and we gave a lot of that money, small percentage, but a lot of

money to the farmers and it kept the farmers going great. right? but hundreds -- we're getting tens of billions of dollars in tariffs. . by the way, for those that say oh, we're paying -- china devalued the currency in order to pay these. we didn't pay. china paid. they don't like to write that. they also added money into this system. you'll have numerous countries waiting to see if sleepy joe wins. they own our country. they will take our country, you know, we had, go back two months. we had by far -- china was supposed to catch us. you know better than anybody. before the problem with the plague, china is having worst

year they had in 67 years. that is perfect the plague. now they're getting really hurt. so is everybody getting hurt. i don't want them to get hurt. but they're all getting hurt. everybody's getting hurt. it's a horrible thing that happened. we're going to keep it that way. about whut you mention iran, iran is a much different country than it was. when i first came in, iran is going to take over the entire middle east. they just want to survive. they're having protests every week. they're loaded up with the plague. i don't want. i offered to help them if they want. if they need ventilators, which they do, i would send them ventilators. we have thousands of excess ventilators coming in and here. we have stockpile of vent lators. we're starting to send them so that hospitals can fill up their stockpile which they should

have. i fully understand that. i'm not explaining. i'm only saying this, iran was a terror. when came into office. right now, they don't want to mess around with us. they don't want to mess around with us. two things, north korea, same sanctions we've always had except more. we haven't given anything. i think you'll hopefully take that back to the "wall street journal." they really don't understand it. they really don't. with iran that, is different country right now. they want to make a deal. the guy that gave them the sweetheart, he didn't want to meet with him. and in my opinion, he said don't wait. maybe he will lose. can you negotiate with a patsy, a weak guy and you'll take over between you and russia, nobody's been tougher on putin. he knows it better than anybody. look at the sanctions. look at what i did with their

pipeline going into europe. now everybody talks about it. it's a terrible thing for germany to do. but at the same time, i have a good relationship with putin. i was able to get -- able to make a deal with russia and saudi arabia and opec plus. they call it opec plus. that's going to save us texas, north dakota, oklahoma, other states, energy states, going to save us hundreds of thousands of jobs. in fact, your paper wrote an incredible editorial for a change that trump made a great deal for our country. that was a nice thing. thank you all very much. we'll see you tomorrow. thank you very much. >> the president concluding a very long briefing and a rambling briefing with a lot of politics, a lot of 2020 election

politics. monica, first to you. i interrupted you and we were talking about the president's disconnect between what he is claiming about the approach to the coronavirus as well as his attack on the governor's and the governors where he said liberate the states and he mentioned, of course, michigan, minnesota, virginia, all battleground states in those tweets. and now accuse virginia of violating the second amendment but trying to con flat that wflh the action that's the virginia governor is taking. there is a problem between dr. birx and flattening the curve because of the social distances and discipline is shown in detroit and now in other places like louisiana, places where they were really worried about how the virus pandemic was going

to peak. and now the president attacking the very governors and encouraging the protests that have developed with a lot of reporting from "the washington post" and others saying that he and stephen moore on his economic advisory council had been egging on some of these right-wing protesters in some of the states. >> exactly. these are states that would be critical to a presidential second term for this president and re-election hopes as he looks to that. and, of course, the three states he called out yesterday are led by democratic governors. we're talking about minnesota, michigan, and virginia. and the president sort of continued to speak to that. he said that some of these governors in his view have been unreasonable and are getting carried away. but at the same time, this is a president who this week said that the governors were ultimately going to call the shots after days of confusion where he asserted total authority and now shifted that

back to the states. on the issue of testing, that's where it really comes down to. he wants the governors to be in charge of that. he hasn't given exact definitions for how he might support that. there are governors like andrew cuomo that repeatedly asked the federal government and the president to use his full powers and use something like the defense production act on the issue of testing which the president has yet to do. and indicated to night he doesn't really inen to the do that. but i thought it was notable. this is a president that loves to look back. if he's talking about a different administration than his own. he is sort of obsessed with talking about the obama administration and what he claims he was left with. but when he is asked questions about checking the rearview mirror on something that his administration has done, the president deflects on the questions and doesn't like to engage. last night for one of the first times he really said that he views these briefings as more of a campaign rally, of course, he's been offer the trail for more than six weeks now. and now we understand and

tonight may be one of best examples of how he views these and airs grievances and takes on political opponents. you heard him there talking about former vice president joe biden and the other things bothering him and getting under his skin. he seems to have devoted just as much time to that as to the other important issues that the coronavirus task force members tend to talk to in these briefings. >> and jonathan la mere from the associated press joining us. jonathan, you traveled all over the globe with the president and so you know full well when he talks about china, so importantly tonight he was indicating that he would take action against china possibly if he discovered that it was a knowing release of the virus. there is some reporting by the way that it really started in the european countries, no the in china. but in any case, if you look at wuhan and the investigation, intelligence investigation into wuhan, there is reporting by nbc news and others that there could have been a mistake and that

wuhan laboratory that it may not have started actually in the animal markets. but he seems to be indicating that he would give china a pass on this. >> the president was reluctant to criticize china. he for traud himself as a real china hawk in 2016. but since coming to office, particularly in the last year or two he is trying to hammer out nut trade deal with china. he is engaged in for the most part very warm rhetoric with its leader. we know that president trump values the personal chemistry. he believes in a lot of foreign policy. is conducted by establishing a good relationship, a good rapport with his counterpart.

we reported and others as well that when this first broke out, there was mounting evidence that china was not being cooperative health inspections and china was not being fully honest with they are health dat yachlt the president is brought this information but didn't want to go after ping by name. he didn't want to endanger that trade deal which is being perceived as a real tenant of his reelection strategy. that is something he was hoping he could brag about on the campaign trail this year. he we heard in the briefing he said in so many words that he was reluctant to criticize foreign leaders with whom he got along. ping is now one of them. >> we heard lavish praise for the oil deal that he negotiated between the saudis and putin.

personally. they've not been honest about the numbers even with china admitting the numbers from wuhan were twice as high, the death rate from wuhan, they're still not being at all honest about the numbers from those countries. robert gibbs, want to bring you in. he said he inherited vept lators and test kits. the trump cdc initially had test kits in february that were flaweded and h flaw flawed and had to be pulled back. he is not owning that his administration waisted three months before coming to gribz with the need to have widespread testing and to take further action. and dismantle the obama pandemic office that had been set up in the white house.

>> andrea, it's clear and tonight's rally, briefing, whatever we decide we want to call it, i don't think the opponent is the virus. i don't think the opponent is obama. the opponent is for president trump to rewrite history, to rewrite, as you talked about, the weeks and months of failure to act. just dozens and dozens of quotes whether it is, you know, sort of appeasing if you will the chinese leaders understood to get a trade deal, whether it was telling us there was plenty of testing and that everything was under control. undoubtedly, he is engaged now. the briefings serve really only one purpose. that is to help him in every single way rewrite the history of what is administration fails to do. ufr seen it with his tweets.

you saw it literally in the first few sentences to night 5:00 tag reporters. he wants to give them fights with reporters. he wants to tweet about liberate. he doesn't want to talk about testing and ppe and the failures of those types of things. and again, i think it's obvious. he is trying to rewrite history. >> and monica, let's bring new as well. you've been covering the white house as well as covering the trump campaign. the disconnect between the president and dr. birx taking credit for areas where they have improved on the original modelling and they have through social distancing flat entened curve in many areas. but to reopen the urban areas on the timetable that the president is projecting without adequate testing is first of all major challenge and could lead according to many scientists who are resurgence and reappearance of the virus down the road

without testing an contact tracing and all the rest that governors say they're not equipped to do. at the same time, he is egging on the protesters in these very states. he talks about michigan. dr. bishgz is giving credit to the mayor of detroit. the president is criticizing the governor of michigan for a number of the measures she has taken. she showed literally the other day that the protesters on the steps of state capital in lansing were not only social distancing, they were congregating together. they got out of their cars. these are protesters that the president and stephen moore on h his behalf are praising but according to "the new york times" and "washington post" reporting that a number of the groups are actually groups that are also trump michigan groups. they have been evolved in these initial protests. >> we've seen that so many protesters gathering in the hot

spots are sporting trump flags or different kinds of trump 2020 paraphernalia. not all of them are necessarily supporters, but the president is really walking a fine line here between trying to appease him of the economic anxiety of the people who have supported him, who have carried him to victory in 2016 and who would ultimately be responsible for that again in november. he's trying to be sensitive to saying we hear you. we're trying to get some of the places to open again. >> there is a risk of a giant backlash. there was a pugh pole dol done couple days ago that suggests that democrats and republicans are concerned about the restrictions being eased too concern. it is a smaller number of

americans that are worried about the guidelines not being lifted soon enough. so as we head to the end of the month and end of april when the national guidelines are set to expire, you're starting to see a lot of states with case that's are actually going far beyond that and extending their own stay at home orders. the president is trying to indicate to the governors of certain places go ahead, feel free to start opening up businesses. he even indicated there are some on friday and the states will take the first steps. and we're not in a position to do that. the most critical puzzle piece does seem to be testing and there are many, many questions left unanswered on that front tonight, andrea. >> and jonathan, in the closing moments, let's talk briefly about he talked about iran, north korea saying that there was a recent note we don't know about that. dismissing the fact they're testing short range missiles. the missiles are a violation of

u.n. resolutions that are of very grave concern to japan and south korea. he praised, as we say, putin. he accused john kerry of violating the logan act, something that is not taken place. logan act has never been -- it's a matter of treason. it's never actually been used against anyone in the former secretary of state obviously has conversations with iranians as do other people around the world. so there's a lot of fact checking. he also said that tariffs on china are actually pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into the united states when that is really tax on american consumers. but i think the central question of the coronavirus, as you correctly point out, the president is clearly hungry for the rallies, trying to get the political message out. and getting back on the trail and attacking his enemies. angus king, he was very angry at

vice president pence's conference with the democratic senators yesterday. all of these things being brought up in a briefing we were told was going to be to focus on the coronavirus with this disconnect between his wanting to reopen and get the economies back yet not giving the governors, republican as well as democratic governors, the tools they need. to know who is infectious and who is not safe to go back into the workplace. monica alba and jonathan lamier and robert gibbs, thanks to all of you for helping us with the fact checking as best as we can do after this extraordinary briefing from the white house and the president indicating that he is going to be giving the commencement at west point on june 13th. vice president pence was in colorado springs with the deaths there. social distance.

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complaints against governors, media, and compounding the contradictions from the administration which is supposed to be leading the fight against the coronavirus. president trump remaining in a power struggle with governors who indeed have the power to control their own states reopening plans. but today he suggesting without proof that they are not using the testing that's available or giving him the credit he thinks he deserves. >> you don't hear anymore about ventilators. what happened to the ventilators? and now they're giving you the other -- it's called testing, testing. but they don't want to use all of the capacity that we've created. we have tremendous capacity. dr. birx will be explaining that. they know that. the democrats know that. they're the ones that are complaining. >> more than an hour on the saturday afternoon, let's bring in our panel to talk about it. jonathan lamier, robert gi gibb

medical director of special passage unit and msnbc medical contributor, good to see you all. so robert gibbs this is a president that continues to show his fury with the idea anybody will kplab about how he handled this crisis. he's unhappy with the press and with your old boss. i want to play what he had to say about obama. >> look, if i wasn't elected, you would right now be at war with north korea. okay? i told you for your people that don't understand the world and they don't understand how life works. but if you remember when we first came in, we didn't have -- not a good way to fight a war. president obama left us with no ammunition. he left us virtually no medical and ventilators.

he left us the cupboard was dry. right? the cupboard was dry. >> i'm happy to let you respond specifically to those accusations about ammunition and ventilators, robert. but i'm also looking at this from a political strategy point. mine, if you want to appeal to your base who you already got, maybe that works. if you really are looking toward knob november, how does that help? he's not going to win re-election. how well did he do in this response? and what that means is he's going to get in more fights with reporters and more fights with democratic governors. he's going to get if fights with the former president even though the former president didn't have anything to do with the test malfunctioning in this administration. i think this just the beginning

of it. i think he made an opponent now and he made the opponent weeks and weeks that they spent doing nothing. that's what the briefings are about. the this is much more of a rally than a briefing. it's the james brady briefing room. one thing he said is if joe biden wins, china will own the u.s. an interesting comment coming from a president that didn't want to disrupt a trade deal with china and wouldn't say anything bad about a themst wouldn't put any pressure on them. pulled people from the cdc out of china. that could have been our eyes and ears on this at the very beginning. he seems to want to have a campaign about china and i don't think that's going to behoove him at all.

he'll set up a series of strong men to knock them down. 65 to 70% of the country says this president didn't do enough to pro vent what we're dealing with right now. those are stunning numbers. >> doctor, if there's one thing that dr. birx and dr. fauci have said over and over and over again that we heard it again from her today, it's that social distancing is working. he was asked about the protesters being encouraged to go out that are doing the exact opposite of social distancing. what are the applications as luke at both when you see groups

of people who out in the streets today and the possibility of people breaking with those guidelines as more and more states decide that they're going to open up? >> one good thing about the plan is business to capacity, what is when you need to open. it makes no sense to put that out and say to governors that don't feel they have that, the competencies or capacities they're test, the ability for hospitals to take over a snurnlg of patients, the capacity for states to do contact tracing. it makes no sense to go and say, no, we should open up anyway. right? we're seeing is in the gatherings and protests, we know from the data that we're looking at, 25% of the people that spla disease and be completely asymptomatic and maybe more and not know that they're trans

mitting. if that's the case, if 25% of the people in the protests are potentially sick and transmitting the disease, increasing numbers of people get sick from that point on. it real estate mains important about the capacity not in place that we maintain the social distance as part of individual responsibility. >> and i just want to make clear. right before i came on, ways looking for twitter. i saw from one e.r. doctor that said very clearly, we don't have the testing capacity we need. is there anything you heard the president refer specifically to governors not using the capacity that is out there? is there anything you heard in your conversations with other medical professionals that suggest that this is a problem of states not using testing that's available?

>> dr. fauci said this is a potentially mismatch of supply and demand, right? so maybe the numbers of tests are out there. it makes no difference if the everything else in terms of infrastructure is lacking in certain places because a person like me at the hospital trying to order a test, it doesn't matter if it is the ppe or swabs or access to the test, there is a patient in front of me not able to get test. they have to be able to work out why we can't test. all of the resources should not be to the president to take advantage and leverage the capacity. so and it's not as simple as just having the test tore the capacity. >> and jonathan, can we talk

about the contradiction the president was asked about in the briefing room? he's tweeting about liberating and the answer is convoluted there. the fact is the tweets came just after fox news showed pictures of protesters violating social distancing. so here's the president on thursday. he's calling for caution. and then he is tweeting liberate. >> the president has not been consistent throughout this crisis. and this is the latest example where he seems to be giving legitimacy to some of the movements that are largely right-wing protesters congregating in state capitals, a handful across the country, violating all sorts of social distancing guidelines, becoming a he great danger to themselves and others and spreading this disease. and are being embraced by some of the conservative media. and now seemingly from the oval

office. he is becoming antsy to open the country. the governors will give the final say to local authority. but if the president is saying from the white house, we should do this. that gives some cover for some states and governors who do want to do. that some states never really even enacted any sort of stay at home order. so you're seeing contradiction here. they're increasingly antsy about himself. >> i also want to ask you about this feud he has going with governor cuomo. you wrote a month ago he

merged -- cuomo emerged as counter to trump. i don't it this was more on display than yesterday vividly. treating him real time and he was holing his press conference. that forceful counter punching from cuomo during the daily briefing. let me play a little bit of some of the back and forth. >> he's sitting home watching tv, maybe he should get up and go to work. don't pass the buck without passing the buck. he doesn't want to provide funding to the states and he doesn't want to do testing. the states can't do it otherwise. how many times do you want me to say thank you? i'm saying thank you for doing your job. i don't need the president of the united states to read the constitution for me. maybe he should read the constitution before he said he had the power to open the states. are you going to grant me what the constitution gave me before you were born? it's called the tenth amendment.

>> so i'm very curious what this is all about ultimately. if you follow liberal tweets and the very simple answer is governor cuomo is getting too much positive attention. what are you hearing at the white house? >> there are a few things athe play here. and certainly governor cuomo is the counter weight to the president during this crisis. other governors, california and washington also deserve credit for handling of this. they are the face of this for democrats. and the president as we reported has watched those briefings. he has done it and sort of end to end indeed and some envy for the positive press he received. he is looking across the nation and demanding they be grateful. the man is appreciative and

thinking some exaggerated the need to put more onus on the federal government to handle this crisis. the president is very hot and cold. he was very complimentary early on. he felt like he needed favor with the president to make sure new york got the supplies they needed. and then lately he is growing angry at the president's attempts to reopen the country too soon, to try to talk about it too soon. cuomo is trying to tap the brakes suggesting he's overreaching his -- the president is overreaching his authority. during the briefing, the president maligned the reporting of new york times repeatedly. that is not true. she is one of the very, very best on the beat. >> i don't think there is any question about that. and so robert watched this. and nobody who all the strategist that's were fired for all the democratic campaigns and, you know, tried to plot out

what a fight against donald trump would look like could not have imagined we would be in this scenario. no one could have imagined that. but as you watched him over the last couple weeks, what does that tell you about the upcoming campaign, however that looks? he clearly is planning to at least get back out there by going to west point to some kent. and what does it mean for joe biden? >> well, look, i think you could have predicted the campaign regardless of the train he was going to be on would be a bit unhinged. i don't think there is anything we saw in the last two hours that would dissuade us from that. i think jonathan is right. the governors are at the forefront of this right now. the democratic ones are in this fight with trump. the fight they're not trying to necessarily pick. but i think if you're joe biden, you have to continue to do what you're doing which is you got to be -- you got to get out there when you can and you got to talk

about what you would do. what is your plan to get the economy started? what is your plan for testing. what is your plan for pandemic preparedness? this is the opportunity to show the american people what you're doing as pred. it is hard to get the attention that the president is getting right now. it's hard to get the attention that the democratic governors are getting simply because they're dealing with this up front in their states. but i have no doubt that the vice president will continue to be out there. the first question he's going get is what are you doing differently? i think the american people are going to want to hear and expect to hear a very sharp answer of exactly what he would be doing differently. >> robert gibbs, always great to see you, doctor, so great to have all of you here. coming up, the president has been taking on several states including michigan. up next, we're talking with the

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"liberate michigan," coming after armed pro ttesters surrounded your state capitol and they weresh shouting "lock r up." what did you think about that tweet? >> i think the president needs to spend less time thinking about michigan, from whatever his perceived enemies are here and more time liberating us from the coronavirus and making sure we're not liberating the coronavirus into all 83 counties of our state, which is exactly what we're trying to stop from happening here. we've been hit especially hard here in michigan, over 2,300 death, over 30,000 infections, a mortality rate of over 7%. in the county that i live in, in wayne county, over a thousand deaths alone. my facebook feed is starting to look like the obituary

pages we're facing a serious set of circumstances in michigan and they have to be treated where we're act in with uniform measure and we have a president that is not trying -- instead of trying to unite us againstenemy coronavirus. >> there's been a lot of push back from legal experts, including the legal director of the institute for constitutional advocacy and protection about these liberate tweets. they suggest in a "washington post" op-ed that the president is inciting insurrection, that liberation implies, and i'm quoting here from the op-ed, at least tacit encouragement to citizens to take up arms against the duly elected state officials of the party opposite his own. this is in reference to the second amendment being under siege in virginia, something he was asked about repeatedly at

that press conference. is that a fair assessment? does it go too far? >> firstly, let me say i have never seen a gun so powerful it could in any way eradicate covid-19. and let's focus, that is the true enemy. the important thing is people can exercise their constitutional rights without endangering others. and to do so, to violate social distancing in the way we've seen it in some of these events, it doesn't make you a patriot, right? what makes you a patriot is trying to protect your fellow countrymen and women against a common enemy. and again, the enemy here is exclusively the virus. and we're not asking people to storm the beaches at normandy, we're just asking them to stay home and to protect themselves and their family members and protect their communities and that's all. >> michigan attorney general, dana, you were very patient

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