ready to open soon but many governs are worried that the lack of testing means coronavirus could strike again. 44% of american households living just above the poverty line don't have broadband internet. how the digital divide makes the pandemic worse for them. and down 30% in just under two months. why delivering less mail is threatening the postal service. "velshi" starts now. good morning. it is sunday, april 19th. this week we begin the process of reopening parts of our country. even as covid-19 continues to spread across the nation. here are the facts. there are now more than 728,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the united states. more than 38,000 people have died. yesterday at the daily white house briefing, task force

response coordinator dr. deborah burkes emphasized the key role that distancing has played. >> this was nothing we had ever attempted to do as a nation and the world hasn't attempted to do. >> today more protests against locally-issued stay-at-home orders and other safety restrictions are expected in cities across the country. here's what the president had to say about the protests yesterday. >> there is a lot of injustice. when you look at virginia, where they want to take your guns away, they want to violate your second amendment, when you look at, i mean, i'm getting along nicely with the governor of michigan but she has things don't buy paint or roses. she's got all the crazy things.

i believe somebody sitting in that boat lake should be okay. >> also, this morning word from house speaker nancy pelosi that lawmakers may be closing in on terms of a fourth coronavirus relief package. >> yes, we're close. we hit common ground. one package was something we brought together in a bipartisan way springing from that and making it more effective and stronger so more people are benefitting from it and protected by it. i think we're very close to agreement. >> we begin in the virus epicenter in new york city. cory is outside new york presbyterian hospital. the number of cases has gone

down, according to andrew cuomo, but said we're not in the clear yet. >> reporter: good morning. absolutely not. medical workers said they cannot stress that enough. the number ises are still very even -- high even though they're going down. 540 deaths reported overnight from yesterday. that number is down off the number we were hovering at during the plateau between 750 and 800. so the good news is governor said he does believe and scientists believe we're starting to enter the down slope rather than the plateau we were hovering at for several days. also, the infection rate is down. the rate of which one person infects another or several other people has gone down to .9 from the peak. listen to what governor cuomo had to say about that. >> so let's say one person infects one person. that's where we are now. when that is happening, the virus is basically stable.

where we were was one person was infecting 1.4 people. that's when you have outbreak wide spread open -- epidemic. we brought it down from 1.4 to .9. >> reporter: governor cuomo said that window is very tight. if we get above 1.2, which could easily happen, the outbreak will start to spread again. so it's very important to continue social distancing measures and hospitals said they still need volunteers so new york health and hospital announced they signed up some 2,000 additional volunteers that will come into the hardest hit areas in new york, including new york presbyterian. >> we're not out of the woods yet. thank you for your continued reporting. the white house has stressed the importance of testing and contact tracing in getting the country reopened. here is more from new york governor andrew cuomo on the

topic yesterday. >> we did 500,000 tests in a month. that's great news. bad news is it's only a fraction of what you need. the more you test, the more information, the more you can reopen society. how does testing actually work? and this, again, you have to know the facts otherwise this is a blur and it becomes a he said/she said. >> joining me now dr. richard beszer, the former acting director of the cdc and the president and ceo of robert wood johnson foundation. also joining me former massachusetts governor duvall patrick. thank you for joining us. doctor, we'll start with you. the issue about testing is twofold. one, we don't have enough and everybody public health experts believe we need more of it. the second thing is, you don't really understand this disease, if you don't have a denominator.

if you don't know whose got it or how many people had it then it's hard to measure success. it's hard to determine whether you're in a place to reopen your society without the correct data. >> yeah, you know, testing serves many purposes. as we think about transitioning from where we are now where everyone is on lockdown to slowly opening up society, it leads to a shift in what you want to do with testing. right now the only people who are really being tested are people who are seriously sick. and that's to determine if they have covid, so you can give them the right treatment. what we want to move toward is having enough testing around. so you can test people with even the mildest of symptoms. the reason you can do that, is because those people can spread the illness, as well. if you're able to test them and isolate them, then public health discuss what they're good at.

contact tracing. you identify every person they've been in contact with and provide them with a safe place to stay so they're not going to infect anyone else, if they get sick. that way you can keep the numbers down that governor cuomo was talking about below 1. one person who is sick doesn't spread it to other people. in order to do that, you need wide spread testing. the other piece you talked about is trying to understand how much of this is already spread through communities. this is an illness for which, thankfully, most people will do very well and many people will have no symptoms whatsoever. without the blood testing, it's hard to know how many people are susceptible and who may have enough protective factors they can go back to work and be around high-risk individuals without causing any harm. >> governor, let's talk about what is going on this last week. the president has said he has absolute authority to reopen the country, that, of course, is in

direct contradiction of article x of the constitution. i don't know if i want to call them protesters but there's something going on that feels tea party esque where conservative groups put up people to go and protest democratic governors who have stay-at-home orders in place including in michigan. the president called for liberating wisconsin and michigan and virginia. this is very different than the general level of cooperation between the white house and governors >>well, it's different than the level of cooperation there ought to be. you know this is a national, indeed, a global crisis and we need coherent and consistent leadership at all levels. the governors have been doing terrific jobs, i think, here in

massachusetts and new york and in california and michigan and in ohio. wonderful examples of strong leadership that is about our collective good and safety. the president has zigged and zagged, as he often does, from showing leadership from the white house and then deferring to governors and undermining governors in all the examples you have said. i think one of the most hopeful things is governing are starting to engage with each other and coordinate regionally, which, i think it's important in the absence of consistent and responsible leadership from the white house. >> by the way, doctor, you are on the new jersey governor bill murphy announced you're part of the multistate counsel response to what is going on. you're part of the group in new jersey dedicated to reopening the state. some of these signs -- and i want to dwell on this for a

second, it's gotten to being ridiculous. there are reasonable discussions when the country should open and how much economic pressure we can take. i'm an economic journalist so i get how damaging this is. there are people with signs saying "fauci is wrong." "social distancing is communism" and the president is encouraging that. he didn't back down from his tweets. again, becomes part of a larger discussion of public health officials are having whether the briefings, including the ones with fauci and birx are actually dangerous. people are taking cues from the president that could affect their health or the health of others negatively. >> you know i lead emergency preparedness and response at the cdc for four years. there was through a lot of public health outbreaks and

crises. one of the things critical in the response is try to keep the public health national emergencies from becoming partisan and political. one of the keys to that is to ensure we're hearing from public health scientists and i'm concerned that we're not hearing from cdc every day in terms of what are they learning, what they still need to learn. you know, at the johnson foundation, we're concerned to make sure that everyone in america has the ability to protect themselves. yet we're not getting as much data about how this is impacting lower income communities, communities of color, and data we're seeing is showing high rates and high rates of death among black and latino americans. these are things we need to address as a nation. especially as we start opening up. we don't have a good data picture of what is going on in communities and we release people, certain populations will get hit harder. if we're not able to talk about it every day with the public

health scientists, we'll be in a bad situation in america. >> i know. >> 8:30 this morning -- >> yeah, yeah. [overlapping speakers] >> i was going to say, governor, at 8:30 this morning i was speaking to representative deb holland, one of two native members of congress about the effect on native communities and we've been talking about the affect on latin american communities. in states like massachusetts with tb and other infectious diseases, this has had a disproportionate impact. >> right. in some ways it's exposed now. one of my hopes is not only will we gather the data to show that case at scale and be specific about it, but we will move toward resuming our normal operations with how to deal with

the conditions we've been neglecting for a long time. you know, everybody wants to get out of the house to get back to work. to get back to school. i understand that. i understand that sentiment among some of the people who are out protesting today. encouraged or not by the president. the problem is they are only expressing the risk they are willing to take and not taking account of the risks they are imposing on others. and this is part of our challenge. we have to understand we are responsible for each other. the neglect we're talking about, that i'm referring to, it's not just the neglect in the ways we've been supporting government and policy makers over the decades but the neglect in the ways we've been supporting each other. we need to call that what it is and respond to it. >> and have the opportunity right now to actually change it because of the heavy lift we've got in front of us and the

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the death toll in china from coronavirus has risen to 4,632. on friday, the chinese government reported that 1290 more people have died of the coronavirus in wuhan than they originally reported. these are new deaths. these are newly reported deaths. that's a nearly 50% increase bringing the number of fatalities in wuhan to 8,369. the deaths were initially unreported. the release of the latest figures coming as the chinese government faces growing scrutiny of the release of the

information and handling of the epidemic. it's happening as u.s. intelligence agencies continue to explore the origins of covid-19. >> i think we need to continue to work this. once we get beyond the pandemic, we'll have a chance to look back and find out what happened and take the proper precautions to make sure we prevent it in the future. >> we questions about china's transparencies reemerging with the death toll numbers out of wuhan, how does america and china's relationship move forward with regard to the pandemic and maybe even more importantedly economically? joining me now economist linda yu and bobby ghosh is with us. bobby, let me start with you. i want to show the politico headline it's called "biological

chernobyl: how china's secrecy fuelled coronavirus suspicions." saying china has yet to share data on covid-19. and the larger point here, bobby, which you understand is that regardless of what you think our relationship is with china or should be with china, historically when china says something, we've had to confirm it independently or differently. when china said they've had strong economic -- industrial production, we look at satellite images to see what the ele electrical output in china has been to that. we're not sure if china is telling the truth. it matters more than it has in the past. >> yes, it does. people dying in china as well as around the world. china has a problem. chinese people are never

entirely sure when their government says something whether they can believe it. we know there's been a conspicuous effort to try to conceal information. whistle blowers in this particular context with the coronavirus. doctors who early on sounded the alarm disappeared not heard from again. we haven't heard from them again. these are not good signs. there is satellite imagery over wuhan, that one city that suggests that, for example, the cream or -- crematoriums are working at a faster rate than justified by the numbers than the government so far released. so every country, as it goes, a couple of months, into this crisis will do a little bit of reassessment of the data. >> sure. >> because reporting becomes better. but with china, there is an enormous gap in credibility that it has not been able to produce.

>> linda, when we last had a crisis, an economic crisis 2008 and 2009, china was a major player in the world but wasn't the player it is today. we had some level of global coordination with other democratized or modernized economies in order to solve the global crisis. we now have a much bigger global crisis, both medical and economic. to some degree, we're going it need china's cooperation in rebuilding our economy. do we have the relationship and the ability to do that with china? >> it's tricky at the moment. there's a lot, as you said, a lack of trust. it's absolutely the case that the world's second biggest economy is going to a role to play in terms of rebuilding the health of the global economy. the example is debt forgiveness for developing countries. china needs to sign on and not use political cohesion.

can you rebuild the system that protects more of the supply chain and investment linking it to national security purposes while at the same time keeping open commercial channels. in other words, you don't want to roll back global zailgszation, but what the crisis has shown there's a lot of reliance on china and supply chains, especially around ppe. china supplies nearly half of that market. and it produces a lot of ingredients that go into pharmaceuticals. all of those things suggest that countries need to look at the lack of trust that china isn't a democracy. it's not as transparent and rethink supply chains. thing will come and it will be done in a cooperative global way as long as everyone understands the aim is to get to a place where you can transact knowing everybody's system is different. >> bobby, what is your sense of,

you know, linda is talking about debt forgiveness to developing countries. we haven't seen coronavirus hit some of these developing countries yet because many of them are in the southern hemisphere where it is still autumn and it's going into winter. there's been some speculation that warm weather is not -- this infection is not conducive to warm weather and vice versa. as we get into summer in the southern hemisphere, we might see greater spread that spends less on health care than we do in the developed world. >> that's an unknowable at this point. there's also the other factor if the global economy is slowing, which it is, those countries, even if they don't face a huge humanitarian crisis will face a massive economic one. their markets don't have the sam appetite for the goods and services anymore. the door nors may not be able to help them as much as they have done in the past. their ability to pay off their

debts in the southern hemisphere countries, sub-saharan africa, for example, their ability to pay off the debt will be heavily comprised even if they don't get the full blast of the pandemic. they're going need that help and a lot of them are very deep with china. they owe enormous amounts of china. china has an opportunity to show leadership and to step up and say we'll forgive debt or allow a new schedule of payment of debt. it has not yet done so. historically china tends not to do so. it has signed on with the g-20, the world's leading economies but it's not showing leadership in this matter. this is an opportunity, i think, that is lost. >> thank you to both of you. linda is an economist and author of the book "what would the great economists do?" and bobby ghosh is a member of the editorial board at

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we mentioned this a little earlier but like hispanics and african-americans in the united states, native americans are also disproportionately affected by coronavirus because of health issues and the living conditions, certainly close quarters on many reservations. covid-19 infections and deaths in the navajo -- they're testing at a rate seven times higher than the rest of the state's population. they're enforcing a strict

57-hour weekend curfew by adding check points and controls with violators facing the possibility of jail time. but native americans are looking to the federal government to do more and a group of tribes are suing for control of $8 billion in coronavirus funding. joining me now is new mexico representative deb haaland. congresswoman, thank you for joining me. i appreciate your time. let's talk about the factors at play here. particularly with native americans living on reservations. even if they're not, they often have high rates of diabetes. in some reservations there's a scarcity of running water and high concentration of people living in some households which make the spread of the disease more likely and harder to treat. >> yes, absolutely. thank you so much for having me, ali. yes, it's -- i mean, look,

there's a pandemic going on right now, and so the communities of color who haven't had the best health care or infrastructure or just the fundamental things that people need to live. you're talking about the navajo nation but tribes all over the country don't have running water, electricity, they don't have broadband internet services. those are issues we need to work on as a country. not just because there's a pandemic. so they're already behind the eight ball when we come into this pandemic and, yes, it's devastating. here in new mexico, the population of native americans is 11%. the infection rate is close to 40%. so -- >> wow. >> -- i was on a facebook live event last night and he's doing

a great job as the leader of that community and everyone is working hard. so yes, we're trying to make sure that the federal government lives up to its responsibility to tribes during the pandemic. >> and you make a point about a lot of people a digital divide. a lot of native americans don't have the same access to broadband internet that everyone else does, which is everything we depend on. our conversation now is happening on broadband internet. so access to certain information, access to banking is more limited for native americans. you fought to have provisions in the last bill for native americans but it's a little bit different. native reservations, for instance, are not treated like states or like cities in their ability to get money out of the fund. >> yes. well, there's $574 recognized tribes here. federally recognized tribes here in the united states. that means that if they're

federally recognized, the united states has federal trust responsibility to those tribes. meaning that they're responsible for health care, education, law enforcement, housing. so, yes, these are tribes they're sovereign nations. nations within our nation. i want everyone to realize that at one time it was all indian land and when the united states made provisions or, you know, agreements for tribes to live in smaller communities so the u.s. government can take the larger pieces of land, there were agreements made through treaties and executive orders and acts of congress. so the united states absolutely has this trust responsibility and that's part of what we're

fighting for. to make sure that they live up to their obligations for health care during this pandemic. you center to realize -- have to realize lot of tribes over the country or in rural communities, stoom -- sometimes it'll take them 80 miles to get to a hospital or kliclinic. it's not an easy issue to deal with. so we are -- as members of congress, we're absolutely want to make sure they have what they need during this terrible emergency. >> congresswoman, i want to ask you to standby for a second. a lot of thing use describe not only happened in the united states but are happening around the world with indigenous nations and indigenous people. i want to bring in our nbc news correspondent who is reporting on the coronavirus has the potential to wipe out entire cultures around the world. willhem, we're not talking about

just indigenous people in the united states. you're looking into a similar situation in brazil and russia and china. >> yeah, that's right. if you look at the amazon groups, in particular, about 800,000 indigenous people in that massive region. largely in brazil. and talking to immunologists there, like you've been pointing out, congresswoman, it's not they're innately more prone to contract infections like covid-19. it may be poor sanitation, lack of access to health care, potentially some of the chan change -- challenges we've seen historically in that region could happen again. i was talking to an historian and author in the region in the last 50 years or so and he was describing the 1560s you had priests walking along the coast of brazil and leaving a trail of

death being wiped out by things like smallpox. you had uncontacted groups inside the amazon falling prey within a couple of years due to the contact with the outside world. he said it could be catastrophic. if you listen to the africans for these people, they're saying the brazilian government is, to some extent, at fault in terms of the provision of health care. take a look at the executive director of amazon watch o. >> there is no adequate health services. there is no adequate -- there are no adequate hospitals and resources available to treat the people or even provide, you know, emergency, you know, canoes or helicopters to fly people out. the threat of covid-19 into the amazon, to indigenous people and the people in isolation is a very real threat of possible --

>> that threat exists, of course, with people in places like russian siberia. you can see the russian health care system having huge amounts of strain over the past few days. people we've been speaking to from some of the triable groups in the siberian region saying the remoteness makes it dangerous for people if it gets inside their communities. and people live in very close communities with one another. that makes things like social distancing incredibly difficult and the necessary education, the idea you need to wash your hands, you need to keep a distance, a lot of those we've been speaking to saying that's not information that is necessarily filtering through from the government to these groups. >> wilhelm, i'm thank you for your reporting on this. he's been reporting on brazil, russia, china, and native groups

in ecuador and canada. congresswoman, thank you for the work you did in getting protections for america's indigenous people into the c.a.r.e.s. act. we have to think about some of the things you talked about including that digital divide and the effect it has on our native communities. thank you to both of you. now a moment to honor one of the thousands of americans we've lost to coronavirus. 44-year-old andrea sanders of louisiana spent her life helping the homeless. after graduating from wily college in marshall, texas, andrea worked at a youth shelter in louisiana. she then joined volunteers of america as a case manager finding homes for hundreds of veterans. she was a single mother to 21-year-old mckenzie and 10-year-old zaria. she taught her daughters to value education. mckenzie is studying nursing.

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millions of stimulus paper checks are scheduled to be mailed out this week. the irs said it will mail 5 million checks a week. with more than 100 million people waiting for their payments, it could take up to five months before everyone receives a check, but there's an even bigger problem with that plan, that is that the united states postal service's postmaster general estimates without government assistance, it will run out of money by the end of september. let that sink in. by the end of september, the government doesn't get the postal service financial aid, we could see it shut down. lawmakers originally agreed on a $13 billion grant for the agency but it was blocked by the treasury secretary steven min knew chen who said you can have

a loan or nothing at all. workers facing a crisis of possibly losing their jobs and trying to function with the, quote "absolutely paralyzing fear" of coming into the contact with the virus. they touch all of our mail. joining me now now is mark diamondstein. his union represents more than 200,000 postal workers. thank you for joining me. let's underscore this president has been on a bit of a tear about the irresponsibility of the postal service and the financial mismanagement. that's a bit of a lark. the postal service's problems, notwithstanding the reduction in mail because of other services, shipping services, has actually got to do with the fact that the government was poking around in the postal services' pension funds? >> well, this system strictly

covid-related financial impact. the pandemic is having a huge financial impact on the country. we all know that it's having a dire impact on the public postal service itself. the post office is a public institution. it does not run with taxpayer dollar. it only works on revenue from post dama postal. and this pandemic is causing a drop in mail volume and revenue. think about it. small businesses aren't mailing. advertisers aren't mailing. those sending birthday cards can't get them to mail them. so the postmaster general is right. without relief, the post office could see a reduction of 40 to 50% of revenue, which will make it impossible for the post office to carry out the mission to the people of this country. universal service, no matter who we are or where we live, 160

million addresses a day, that would cease unless there was genuine relief to the postal service, which is genuine relief to the people of this country. -- >> you have -- we've had more than 900 postal workers who have -- more than 900 workers test positive for the virus. 30 postal workers have died from this. the concept about running out of money by september has somebody communicated with you what it means for postal workers. does it mean the mail stops? your workers get laid off? >> well, you know, that's unknown territory and let's make sure that doesn't happen. i don't think the people of the country will allow it to happen. if congress doesn't act and the post office runs out of money, they will be unable to carry out its operations. again, it's ironic, the pandemic

that has postal workers shining like so many other front line workers out there doing their job under difficult conditions, getting medical information to people's homes, essential goods to people's homes, and so on, the same pandemic, if it's not addressed by congress, could cause the demise of the postal service and the ceasing of operations. and then those who want to sell off the postal service, the public postal service, to private corporations will see an opportunity and maybe able to get their way and that would be a crying shame for people of this country. >> mark, thank you to you and please convey your thanks on our behalf to all the postal workers in this nation. it's unbelievable every day when we hear in manhattan at 7:00 p.m. go out and clap and thank the people out there, we also mean the postal workers who come out every single day and do

their jobs. thank you very much. >> thank you, thank you. thank you. thank you for having me. and if i may add quickly, please call congress and make sure the post office carries forward into the future. >> i would agree with you. thank you, sir. ahead, the tug of war between science and politics. a new documentary examines the state and federal responses to the pandemic. first, a message from former first lady's laura bush and michelle obama appearing last night during the one world together at home concert. >> we want to thank the pharmacists, the veterinarians, the police officers, the sanitation workers, and those who in grocery stores and delivering food and supplies to our homeless, you're the fabric of our country and your strength will carry us through this crisis. >> the coming days will not be easy, but this global family of ours is strong. we will continue to be here for

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the gillette skinguard. it's exhausting to constantly think about the sequence that you put things on and take things off and where you're sanitizing. every nurse, every tech, every physician i talked to said i have been working for years and never bye-bye so exhausted. and it leaves people just on edge all the time. >> nurses and doctors at hospitals across the country are working around the clock under great stress rusking their own health to help others. but those on the front lines say not enough is being done to prkt them. there's a new documentary already investigating the u.s. government's response to coronavirus and its human toll. joining me now is my very old

friend and colleague myles o'brien, writer, producer and correspondent for a documentary that's risen erm on the west coast. my old friend, you were a science oriented journalist before it was cool to be one. you covered many other things including politics over the years. this is one of those instances in which you say the politics particularly between the president and governors is actually coming in the way of the science that could be helping us solve this cry miss cyst. >> enough with the old stuff. let's march forward. i will tell you this. the politics and science has not been a pretty place for a long time now. we can go on and on and talk about climate change and how it's influenced science ask science has been ignored. in the pandemic, it's no different. you have this scenario in washington where leaders seem to

discount the good advice of the smart scientists and the data they bring to them buzz there's an ulterior motive. that's what brought me to seattle. this is where patient number one was discovered here in the united states. i found it very interesting how that whole first case unfolded. turns out they had been preparing for this for quite some time. the political leadership was dialled in. the scientific community, the medical community, knew this was was coming and they handled it in a way stands in contrast to the way we're seeing things unfold in the other one. so as i have gone through this process, this feud between governor inslee and donald trump escalated into something much broader. it speaks to how do we respond to something like this if we're not going to listen to the the goods of our people are telling us we need to do certain things to make this better. >> that is the question of this

crisis. thank you. the coronavirus pandemic is the special. it's a two-part special that will air starting on april 21st. thank you as always for join in us. and that brings this hour to an end for me. we're just a few moments away from the release of a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll which is taking the temperature of how americans feel about the leadership of the pandemic. we're going to dive into those numbers with tom styier after this. and talk about the staut of the economy. more straight ahead on msnbc

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. welcome back. i'm ali velshi. a new nbc news wall stre"wall s journal" poll reveals how americans think president trump is is handling the pandemic. a majority of americans disapprove of trump's approach. 44% us approving and that is down slightly from last month. americans are also saying they don't trust trump when it comes to the pandemic. 52% saying they don't trump trust the president's statements about the coronavirus. when it comes to the 2020 race, more more thanes think joe biden is better equipped to hnd the a crisis.