on behalf of all of my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night from our temporary field headquarters. good morning, everybody. it is tuesday, april 21st. we're going to begin with breaking news. the president announcing by tweet late last night that he intends to issue an executive order suspending immigration to the united states, citing the coronavirus and the, quote, need to protect the jobs of our great american citizens. "the washington post" reporting that the announcement caught some homeland security officials off guard while a senior administration official is telling nbc news the plan has been under consideration for a while. according to the "new york times," the trump administration would effectively shut down the legal immigration system by no longer approving any

applications from foreigners to live and work. here in the united states, the times reports that workers who have received visas for specialized jobs would also be barred entry, although some deemed critical would be allowed in. a source telling nbc news, the order could be signed as early as this week is unclear how long the executive order will actually be in place. also here in new york state, the single day coronavirus death toll fell below 500, marking the third straight day of a notable decline. in new york city, the epicenter of the outbreak, lockdown measures are showing no signs of easing. all major events in the city are now canceled through the month of june. meanwhile, several city leaders are urging governor cuomo to temporarily shut down the city's subways, to help slam the brakes on the pandemic. but while the path to recovery could be long, the governor remains optimistic as he works to reopen the state's economy.

watch this. >> we have a lot of work to do to keep the beast under control and we have a lot of work to do to reopen. but we're going to set the bar high and we're going to reimagine. and what we reopen will be better than what we had before. build back better. build back better. b-b-b. and that's what we're going to do. >> and by the way, later today, the governor is expected to visit the white house to discuss coronavirus plans with the president. president trump placing the onus on states to deal with their coronavirus concerns, the republican governor of maryland, larry hogan, announcing yesterday that his state has purchased 500,000 tests from south korea. over the weekend, hogan pushed back against the administration's assertions that states have the adequate supplies and testing capacity to reopen. a dispute that spilled into yesterday's white house briefing. >> hundreds and hundreds of labs are ready, willing and able.

some of the governors like as an example the governor from maryland didn't really understand the list, he didn't understand too much about what was going on. so now i think he'll be able to do that. it's pretty simple. states need to assess their complete inventory of available capacity. some states have far more capacity than they actually understand. and it is a complex subject. but some of the governors didn't understand it. the governor, as an example, pritzker from illinois did not understand his capacity. >> the governor of maryland could have called mike pence and could have saved a lot of money. look at these different places. and that's maryland right there. could have saved a lot of money, but that's okay. no, i don't think he needed to go to south korea. i think he needed to get a little knowledge would have been helpful. >> so before trump's criticism, hogan told reporters yesterday afternoon that most of the labs identified by the white house were federal installations and

that some have not been helpful in assisting with testing. hogan responded to the president in a tweet last night saying this, i am grateful to the president for sending us a list of federal labs and generally offering maryland use of them for covid-19 testing. accessing these federal labs will be critical for utilizing the 500,000 tests we have acquired from south korea. maryland governor larry hogan will, by the way, be joining the conversation ahead on "morning joe." also, president trump yesterday claiming that criticism over a lack of coronavirus testing in the united states amounts to a partisan attack. >> remember, it was all ventilators. and the reason it was all ventilators, they said there's no way he'll ever be able to catch this one. not only did we catch it, we are now the king of ventilators all over the world and that wasn't playing well. so then they said testing, testing, we'll get them on testing. well, testing is much easier

than ventilators. but it used to be ventilators, ventilators, ventilators. now it's testing, testing, testing. >> you seem to be talking about testing is a personal attack on you. can you explain why you think talking about testing is a personal attack given that the access to testing has been an issue for a long time, there's bipartisan outcry today about testing. >> it's not that it's mostly partisan, but more importantly, it's incorrect. we have tremendous testing, tremendous testing capability. remember this, we've tested more than any country in the world by far. in fact, i think i read where if you add up every other country in the world, we've tested more. but remember this, we're dealing with politics. we're dealing with a thing called november 3rd of this year. >> just want to fact check here, by the way. we have not tested more than any country in the world, by far, not per capita if we want to get specific on that. joining us, drew armstrong from

bloomberg. drew, good to see you this morning. i want to get to the issue of testing in a moment. let's first talk about the possibility of the possible easing of restrictions and the opening of the economy. the head of the world health organization basically saying the worst of the outbreak is yet to come, but you still have a lot of states preparing to reopen while new york continuing to take a slower approach to reopening the economy here. what do you make of that? >> i think the big concern that just about everybody in public health has is you get some kind of second wave of infection that is worst than the first one. there are a lot of very, very hopeful signs in terms of the mitigation of the number of cases that have been out there. but i think most of the experts that we speak to say that, you know, the u.s. still doesn't necessarily have the tools in place that it needs to control this and fully be able to reopen

or the states aren't necessarily trending completely in the directions that they need to be. even under the white house's voluntary criteria to be able to do that. >> is there a worry that a lot of these states that are getting ahead of themselves is start to go reopen certain businesses as we're seeing in georgia, for instance, that's going to be coming up in about a week or so? they're going to starts reopening some businesses there. is there a worry that we're going to then see a spike again in some of those states? >> yeah, that's exactly what the concern is. i think, you know, you still don't have great information about the virus. there have been a number of studies that have come out attempting to estimate what is the actual prevalence of this disease.

we still don't have the core infrastructure in place that you need in the united states to be able to say if we reopen and if is there is a new outbreak of this disease or a second wave, we have everything we need to be able to manage that. i think you don't want to be in a situation that the concern is where you go right back to where we were a few weeks ago here without knowing what that would mean. and we're running the risk of potentially doing that. >> so we're going to get into the testing capacity or the lack thereof to be more specific in your next hit when i do talk to you in just a little bit. so stay close, drew, thank you. i will talk to you again soon. so the trump administration and congressional negotiators are nearing a deal on another coronavirus aid package. if passed, the news relief measure would provide about 370 billion for small businesses, 75 billion for hospitals and another 25 billion for testing. this would be the fourth

coronavirus related bill approved by congress. one of the sticking points has been the issue of testing. democrats have pushed for a national testing strategy, but treasury secretary steve mnuchin and other trump officials are seeking a state-driven approach. last night, house speaker nancy pelosi voiced optimism about reaching a deal. >> as we speak, we're into conversation with final language. we have, i believe, come to terms on the principles of the legislation which is a good thing. then but it's always in the fine print. so now we're down to the fine print. but i feel very optimistic and hopeful that we'll come to a conclusion tonight so that it can be taken up tomorrow in the senate and wednesday in the house of representatives. but we can't go until we have the final agreement, but we're close. >> all right. still ahead, everybody, some southern states like georgia, as i mentioned, have announced plans to start reopening their

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welcome back, everybody. jp morgan chase and wells fargo, they're among the banks being sued by small business owners for allegedly favoring companies seeking larger loan amounts under the government's paycheck protection program. according to lawsuits filed in federal court in los angeles on sunday, a frozen yogurt shop is among the plaintiffs claiming the bank shuffled loan applications taking those that would generate larger fees for the bank first instead of processing on a first come first served basis for those needing relief from coronavirus closures who have less access to funds. let's get into this. joining me now, msnbc legal

analyst danny cevallos for us. good morning to you and so great to see you, my friend. we've listed the key points of the ppe that are universal to the applicants. small business and some self-employed are eligible. a 1% interest rate, as you see here, 75% of the funds have to be used on payroll. and on the issue of first come first served, danny, there is a one-word answer here and that is yes, right there in the rules. does this put the bank in a bad spot? >> yes. this lawsuit, first, is filed in california. and that is no accident. california has a very robust, unfair competition law which punishes both fraudulent conduct and unfair conduct. and defendants in california really face an uphill battle when going against this statute. and in addition, as you pointed out, the regulations require first come, first served.

look for the defendants in this case to redefine what first come first served means and argue that they can triage bigger companies and put smaller companies in a different bucket and still technically be within first come first served. but other than that, if the regulations require it, it has to be done that way. what about the federal government here? because it seems as if, to me, considering the fact that they've already run out of funds here in the ppe program that there's no real federal oversight in all of this concerning the fact that it's their money that's being lent to the banks that's subsequently being lent out to these small businesses. >> that was the initial concern. and look for the federal government to start getting interested in how the banks process these loan applications. consider the financial incentive for the banks. they -- 5% origination fees, i guess you could call it a commission. 5% on loans up to $350,000. and 1% on loans of up to $10

million. now, initially that may seem like they got more on the initiate loans one but look at the results. 1% of 10 million is $100,000. so if you're processing these loans quickly, there's every insentive for the banks to say, look, let's look at the huge loans first because we're going to pocket $100,000 per loan as opposed to 17-5 for these smaller companies. so the federal government may find these class action lawsuits or these lawsuits very interesting in terms of what the bank was doing with those federal funds. >> it seems like the businesses that need it most, danny, in all of this are being left out in the cold. danny, great to see you, my friend. still ahead, countries across europe are slowly start to go reon he after strict lockdowns due to the coronavirus. reports from some of the hardest

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welcome back, everybody. italy, france, germany and the uk, they all recorded their lowest daily death tools in a week in a sign that the curve of coronavirus cases is flattening in europe. governments across the continent are cautiously listing lockdowns with some shops and workplaces opening up for business. joining me now, nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley live for us in rome, willem marks is live in madrid, spain, and in beijing, nbc news correspondent janice mackey. matt, i'm going to start with you on this one. italy's prime minister announcing that the country is gradually going to start to reopen on may 4th. talk us through how that is expected to roll out. >> yeah. we should know more by the end of this week. that's when the prime minister said they're finally going to come up with a comprehensive plan for just how to lift this lockdown.

they said this is going to be done by municipality and by economic sector. so basically, they're going to decide which economic sectors are not going to create a flood of new people rushing in to spot, some businesses that could spark a new wave of infection and they're also going to do it geographical. here in italy, the north has carried this burden far more than the rest of the country. so we could see the south opening up for business a lot sooner. once those businesses open, there's still going to be tons of rules in place. they're going to be regulating that restaurants, which are not going be opening immediately on may 4th, restaurants are going to have to have spaced out tables and waiters are going to have to wear masks and gloves the whole time. this is the main broadsheet here in italy. we can expect this is going to have to go in stages. it's not going to be a massive one-day lifting of the lockdown and everybody will flock out into the streets waving flags. now if you want to hear more, my colleague willem marks is in

madrid. >> matt, thanks so much. there's a similar story here to some extent, yasmin, because the spanish government are seeking to extend the lockdown here from april 27th, next monday, through the may 9th. but you've already seen some nn essential businesses open up over the last week or so. just this morning out on the streets, we saw people curing for their shopping, for their groceries. there is some sign of activity. delivery folks are out and about. construction workers i've seen this morning doing their jobs, as well. in terms of the macroeconomic picture, because it is one of the countries that has struggled to recover from the financial crisis. the imf predict an 8% shrinkage in gdp. the central bank here predicting more than 12% of gdp will be lost this year. unemployment, and this is a real challenge here in spain, could top 21%. an absolutely extraordinary headline number for people living here looking to try and make their way out of this

crisis. one area in the world where we are seeing people return to work is china and for that i want to turn to jackie in beijing. >> thanks, willem. the concern here, of course, remains that second wave of infections as restrictions are eased. the fear is that there will be more cases. a good example is singapore. for the past couple of months, it was able to keep its case numbers down. it did everything right. it implemented testing, had a tracking system in place, and it was working until it didn't. the case numbers now in the thousands. yesterday, 1400 cases in one day. many of them are tied to large migrant communities that simply hadn't come on to the government radar before. so it's why we're seeing places like hong kong, even though it's reporting no new cases, today it expanded its social distancing rules. south korea is reporting single dajts of new cases, but they're

still being extremely cautious for fears of new clusters. and here in china, in beijing, you can't come to this city unless you do 14 days quarantine. there are a number of other restrictions that are in place including a qr health care system where even to get into a coffee shop, you have to prove where you have been over the past 14 days and show the code that confirms that you are, indeed, healthy. these are some of the measures that are going to have to remain in place, at least according to experts. i talked to one who said that much of the world is going to see this cycle of suppression and lift, suppression and lift, possibly for the next 18 months until there is a vaccine. so what this means for the u.s. is this sense of indefinite lockdown and certainly not the rush back to the normal that we used to know, at least not anytime soon. yasmin. >> and as the united states is looking to reopen, as well, they are looking to where all of you are to see what is possibly to

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bending to immense appreciate to jump start georgia's economy, governor brian kemp is going to allow some nonessential businesses to begin reopening friday with some limitation gyms, tattoo parlors, boling alleys, salons can reopen as long as they follow social distancing guidelines and screen their employees for signs of fever or respiratory illness. theaters and dine-in restaurants will be allowed to resume activity on monday. watch this. >> by taking this measured action, we will get georgians back to work safely without undermining the progress that we all have made in this battle against covid-19. now, i will say that, you know, when we have more people moving around, we're probably going to see our cases continue to go up. but we're a lot better prepared for that now than we were over a month ago. i can't tell you i don't give a damn about politics right now.

>> the blanket move which overrides local leaders orders has sparked controversy around this still shuttered state. the mayor of albany, a small town that has turned into a virus hot spot called the decision, quote, a complete u-turn. the state ranks 43rd in coronavirus testing per capita. more than 40 georgians have died since the governor's announcement bringing the total death toll to 775. a shelter in place order is remaining in effect through the end of the month. and several other states have begun the process of reopening nonessential businesses, parks and beaches. south carolina's governor, henry mcmaster has reversed restrictions, allowing some businesses, including department stores, florists, shoe and jewelry shops to reopen. the governor loosened restrictions on beaches and waterways. they have a decision on whether

to reopen on local jurisdictions. texas will reopen most of its state parks on monday after being closed for two weeks. texans will be required to follow strict social distancing guidelines, including wearing face coverings and maintaining six feet of distance. tennessee governor bill lee said he will not extend the state's stay at home order past april 30th and that some businesses could reopen as soon as next week. the governor's office told the tennesseean newspaper that it has not identified which types of businesses will be allowed to open. and nebraska governor pete ricketts says he plans to lift the ban on elective surgeries beginning may 4th. meanwhile, "the washington post" reporting kentucky saw its highest spike in coronavirus cases as of yet. the governor announced on sunday the state had seen 253 new cases with an additional four deaths.

he said the state would not lift any restrictions until there is a downward projection of reported cases for at least two weeks. this is coming after protesters took to the streets last week to call for the state to lift restrictions there. let's get into some of this. joining me now once again, health care ed for for bloomberg drew armstrong. drew, good to talk to you again. let's talk about the gap in testing amid all this that we got into in a little bit in the first half hour, but i want to expand upon here because as you hear, the president saying over and over again we are testing more than anybody else in the entire world. but if you're looking at per capita in this country, we just aren't where we need to be when it comes to testing and we're not testing more than everybody else in the entire world. where does the gap stand right now? where are we on testing and what advances have been made in light of the fact that some of these states are going to start opening up in the next couple of

weeks? you look at a meaningful gap in some of the supplies, tests aren't just saying having the machine to run the test, you need enough nasal swabs, you need enough of the chemicals called reagents that you use to test for the virus. you need enough texts to run these big machines that sit in hospital basements that can process hundreds of debts and there have been issues of every single one of those things. those are some of the key complaints that have held back the u.s.'s ability to test. so, you know, when you hear comments about testing capacity being significant enough, it may be, but it may not matter if you don't have all of the ingredients and supplies that you need to do that. and that has been -- and we've heard this from governors over and over again, those have been significant issues in ramping up their testing ability. and the reason that is so important is that if you want to go ahead with any kind of a

reopening, which i think just about every does, you want to be able to know that you can find every single new case that needs to be found, find the contacts of all of those cases and test those folks. you're going to have cases after you open back up. the question is do you control those effectively? >> so -- and we just heard about the major second wave of infections in singapore amid all of their guidelines. how do you avoid that especially as economies across the country begin to open back up? >> well, i mean, you know, again, it is going to come right back to testing. i think if you look at what singapore did right early on, they were very aggressive in testing and they're very aggressive also in targeted restrictions. what they did target was, you know, if you came in and you have signs of the disease or you were confirmed they did very good testing and tracking of your contacts, those people were

put under serious restriction, so it was a much more targeted and precise response and i think we've seen in the u.s. because they originally at least had some of the capabilities to do that. i think there's some questions being raised now about did they miss a key part of the outbreak in some of the large cases. there were 1100 today with some of the communities, however. >> drew armstrong for us, thank you, as always, drew. great to see you this morning. so as governors begin announcing plans to reopen nr states, the director general on the world health organization warned yesterday that the worst of the coronavirus pandemic lies ahead of us. adding that the global community has to take on the virus as a common enemy of humanity to defy it. according to johns hop kins university data, almost 2.5 million people have been infected with the coronavirus worldwide and more than 170,000 have died. joining me now from london nbc news correspondent cal perry for

us. cal, i first want you to sxent and expand, if you can, on what we're hearing from the world health organization, that the worst is yet to come. there could still be another major surge across the world here. how are they preparing in general for a possible new surge in cases? >> well, partly what they're talking about is this virus reaching places and us uncovering, really, that it has reached places that are ill equipped to handle it. you look at africa, for example, a place where there just are not ventilators in the same way that there are in the united states. you also look at how this virus is treated. in order to treat this virus, in order to put somebody, for example, on a ventilator, it takes two dozen or so drugs to keep that person alive. in many places around the world, they just don't have those drugs. they just don't have those facilities. they don't have the hospitals, they don't have the knowledge. and the infrastructure is not there. and what the w.h.o. is sort of preparing us all for is this concept and this idea that it's going to reach these places in africa, in asia, it's going the

reach refugee camps, it's going to go to places like gaza, it's going to go to these places that are not equipped to handle it. and the death toll in those places is inevitably going to be worse than it is in some of these first world countries. and the w.h.o. is saying it doesn't do you much good to eradicate the virus in your country if it still exists in places like africa. i was talking to a friend of mine who is an er doctor here in london and he was saying if there was a vaccine today, he said you, cal perry, and nbc news could cover for ten years getting that vaccine to everybody in africa. that is what the w.h.o. is talking about. >> quickly, cal, here, because as we're seeing easing restrictions in italy and spain, as i was just speaking to matt bradley and willem marks, what is the status so far in the uk where you are as we're still seeing cases increase there? yeah. in italy, we had a drop of infected patients by 20 in the

last 24 hours. very symbolic, not necessarily a huge break there, but symbolic enough to start lifting some of those measures. it has not happened here in the uk yet. we're still in that upward trend. a lot of discussion to boarus johnson about whether or not the government acted too little too late. so at least until may 7th, the united kingdom will stay in lockdown, jasmine. >> cal perry, my friend, always appreciate you joining us when you do. still ahead, everybody, joe biden goes on the offensive hitting president trump and his latest campaign ad over the federal response to the coronavirus pandemic. your first look at "morning joe" is back in a moment. a moment.

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. donald trump thought the job was about tweets and rallies and big grades. he never thought he'd have to protect nearly 330 million americans. so he didn't. >> so he didn't. that was the latest ad from joe biden's presidential campaign attacking president trump's coronavirus response. with that, let's switch gears a bit and get a check on your weather with nbc meteorologist bill karins who has been tracking those numbers for us and that curve, bill, as it is beginning to plateau. >> yes. hopefully coming down the other

side. good morning to you, yasmin. so let's get into these numbers yesterday. as far as the deaths and fatalities across the country, 42,500 roughly is where we're at right now. and we've been averaging about 1500 to anywhere between 2,000 per day. yesterday was actually our tenth deadliest day. we recorded 1,900 fatalities. now let's get into the new cases. we are still seeing peak necessary a few cases. california, new mexico, the highest totals yesterday, highest total numbers yet. we're still on pace to hit 1 million cases in about seven to days nice from now. now, i haven't showed you this map in weeks. remember in the beginning they were like, why are we doing this? we wanted to avoid the red on the left, the steep up and overwhelming the health care

system. and instead, we wanted to do the blue. and it appears we're on that, but now we're on the painful part of the blue and that's coming down. we call this a long tail. so it's a slow, gradual decline instead of it being very quick. so as frustrating as it is, we're doing exactly what we wanted to, not overwhelm the health care system and give our doctors and nurses and all our health care workers a break as we slowly will come down. as far as the weather goes today, any hazards out there? new york city, philadelphia, baltimore, we have a severe risk of storms. they're going to slide through at about 2:00 to 5:00 p.m. this afternoon. they're going to be quick. it will be very windy, maybe some small hail. we could get some power outages. be prepared this afternoon. they'll be exiting boston by about 5:00 p.m. this afternoon. and the final thing i want to let everyone know, yasmin, everybody, a lot of people, we all started using the johns

hopkins map. they have a brand new map. it that's breakdown for the whole united states county by county. so you can go in there and look up your county, find out exactly how many cases there are and this will update daily, too. it's an excellent resource. i'm giving you the national numbers here, but when you're making your own local decisions and how safe you are, this have a great resource for you to make your own decisions. >> and the key to all of this, bill, as we begin to see this curve flatten is that as you're seeing more states and more economies open back up, is that we don't begin to, then, see a resurgence or yet another spike. and i think that's probably what a lot of officials are looking for, as well. >> yeah. we want to come down that blue curve behind me. we don't want to go a little bump back up. so that is the big question now, you know, what is going to happen? it may not just be the fall. maybe it will be over the summer. we'll see.

>> thank you, my friend. always great to see you. still ahead, we're going to go live to cnbc for an early look at what is driving the day on wall street. as we go to break, you might have heard of the color codes used in hospitals. but more recently amid the coronavirus pandemic, people might start hearing some happy codes. melrose wakefield hospital in massachusetts began using code happy when a covid patient is being discharged while the song "happy" by pharrell plays over the hospital's intercome.

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welcome back, everybody. u.s. crude oil dipped below zero for the first time ever yesterday as the industry struggles to store the supply amid the shutdown. cnbc's juliana is joining us

live from london. jiel anna, talk us through how the markets are looking this morning with this new news. >> good morning, yasmin. so this was a historic move in energy markets that kicked off yesterday. and what it means when we say that oil futures went negative territory is that producers and traders who hold those contracts effectively have to pay traders to take the oil off their hands because they don't have anywhere to put it. this is a storage capacity issue. it also relates to the demand story. because of the lockdowns taking place around the world, demand for oil is to historic lows. therefore, it is not being used as quickly. what we're seeing, if we look out to the june, july, august contracts for oil, the price is holding up better, suggesting that we don't think, or the market doesn't think, they will have the same issue in the months to come. this is clearly a very important space to keep an eye on as the days and weeks progress. another one of the key sectors to keep an eye on today will be the airline sector. this industry has been very hard

hit, obviously, by the coronavirus pandemic and the lockdowns. the u.s. treasury has pumped nearly $3 billion into this industry in the first round of payroll assistance. this is part of the $25 billion worth of funds that the government has put together to try to help with the payment of wages in this space. the treasury says the initial batch of money that was dispersed on monday was divided between two major passenger airlines and 54 smaller carriers. yasmin? >>let talk about these new figures from the national restaurant association, revealing a devastated food service industry during this entire crisis. what did the association find here? >> this is a staggering number that they've put out. 8 million restaurant workers in the united states are now unemployed. that's according to the latest national restaurant association data. that means that roughly 2/3 of

employees don't have a job. in terms of what this means for the restaurant industry and what we're seeing in terms of impact, by the end of 2020, restaurants are expected to see $240 billion in losses. the restaurant association is seeking to create a recovery fund that would be focused solely on the restaurant employees. again, another sector right alongside airlines that we should continue to watch. back to you. >> absolutely devastating numbers. julianna tatelbaum live from london. great to see you. coming up, axios' one big thing. on "morning joe," the president continues to spar with states over federal support amid the coronavirus pandemic. maryland governor larry hogan has turned to south korea for help. he joins the conversation. plus, former georgia governor gubernatorial nominee

stacey abrams will be our guest. "morning joe" is moments away.

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welcome back, everybody. joining me now with a look at axios am, co-founder and ceo of axios, jim vandehei. good morning, talk to us about the one big thing today. >> we have a new poll out this morning that shows about 3/4 of americans, including republicans and democrats, either have a high amount of worry or moderate amount of worry about america returning to work. what it shows is there are some partisan differences, but for the most part, there's pretty widespread concern across the country about anyone getting back to any semblance of normality. this is happening when you see some southern states, like georgia, south carolina, others getting ready to return to normal this week. certainly in early may. there are differences in terms of, licke, the level of concern. if you're a new yorker, almost half of people feel very, very concerned about returning to

work, which makes sense, given what's happening in new york. you look at texas, only 30% of people are super concerned about returning to work. so it is starting to break down in some partisan ways, but that concern is still widespread. >> it seems as if amidst thisbet at least, there was more of a bipartisan approach to tackling this thing. as you are mentioning, this partisan divide, it seems as if is going to get wider and wider as governors begin to respond to the coronavirus and have different approaches in drawing back some of those guidelines. >> i think we're about to see the ugly side of american politics, sort of red versus blue that we see on everything. you know, the reality is that for most republicans, they're living in states that had fewer cases, and they're consuming media that's been much more spectacle of the threat of the virus. democrats tend to be packed into cities, have lived with the

reality of the virus more profoundly, and are consuming content and tv that is much more ominous, in talking about the coronavirus. now, the output is going to be real politics. you saw the president last night saying we're going to shut down immigration. there will be no green cards. no one will be coming into the country. you know republicans are going to rally around that. yesterday, you had three southern states say, listen, we're basically getting back to business. some are going to open restaurants. some are going to open beaches. some are going to open bowling alleys. now, it'll be a social debate about whether or not you social distance by staying at home versus returning to work. unfortunately, this has been the reality of our politics for some time. certainly getting more profound. a big problem is just where people are getting their information. the reality for your average republican is so much different than your reality for your average democrat. inevitably, it plays out in

politics. even when most people have been making responsible decisions that aren't based on politics but protection for their family, but it always tends to evolve into this. the next couple weeks, you'll see the toxicity of politics, unfortunately, return. >> who does this ugly side of politics, who does it benefit when we are inside of an election year? >> the problem is, you don't know. look at president trump's favorable ratings. they're basically exactly where they were before we ever heard of the word "coronavirus." we're so locked into a country where about 43%/44% of people like donald trump, and everyone else doesn't like him. nobody is really changing their minds. what happens in politics, especially this last decade, is everything just reinforces the passion that you had as sort of a pre-existing condition. what i think happens is you just have everyone locked even more solidly inside their own camp. which in a moment like this makes no sense at all, right?

you want to basically look at the science, look what's happening around you, make really good decisions for your family, make good decisions for the community or state you live in. unevidentab inevitably, it's not that. once you have the peer pressure of politics saying, "you have to take a side to be with trump or against trump," it pollutes your thinking. that's what worries me, are people making the best decisions for their family and state, or is it because of the jersey they wear in american politics? >> jim vandehei, thank you. jim will be joining "morning joe" in a bit. i'll be reading axios am in a little while. you can sign up for the newsletter at signup.axios.com. that does it for me on this tuesday morning. i'm yasmin vossoughian. "morning joe" starts right now. i've been working under dr. birx and admiral girard's leadership to increase the supply of testing across the united states. >> we have focused on every piece of