i'm ari melber continuing the special coverage of the coronavirus right now. there are grim marker passing 51,000 deaths and the president today has made news of a sort by stepping back delivering this unusually short briefing this evening. he took zero questions. this was one day after making the toxic remarks literally and the president floated an idea that you should not push sue that's false, but it's gotten him into a lot of trouble. he discussed openly that people should ingest disinfectants to

combat the coronavirus and that was false. now axios reporting that trump is planning to perhaps change or curtail his role in the briefings. meanwhile, piece of medical news came out today about a new fda approved home testing kit. >> the fda approved the first at-home covid-19 test kit. >> we authorized the first at-home test by a company called labcorp. this is a test where under certain circumstances with the doctor's supervision, a test can be mailed to the patient and the patient can perform the self-swab and mail it back and get the results. >> we begin with our experts ron clain, former chief of staff to biden and oversaw ebola. he has unique circumstances and we are joined by an emergency physician at brown university. good evening to you both. we'll get to the news coming out

of the white house with the president clearly in free-fall and backing off something that everyone knows he prizes, which is his television time. his briefing time and his time to take questions from reporters and often openly berate them. it is inusual when the president passes that up. it speaks to the scales of the problems facing the white house. i want to get to the medical facts as we often do around here. walk us through the potential significant of the at-home test and how that fits into the context of the wider challenge of testing in the u.s. >> so an at-home test is potentially important but there's some really important caveats here. the fda has rushed this through so we don't know how accurate or easy it is to get the samples. my concern is if we start to

pass out the at-home tests and they're not accurate, we're having people thinking they're the negative and we find that the false negative rate is much higher than we expected. >> so let's pause on that. i don't want to -- let's pause on that. walk us through this in any context. there's such a thing as a false negative or false positive but walk us through what you speaking to, the potentially higher error rate with a kit and someone walking around being more of a danger than they realized? >> yeah. so there's a couple of parts to that. first, this is a brand-new test. normally before the fda approves tests, they have to go through months or even years of validation. when a test gets released we in the medical community know exactly how good it is at picking up disease and exactly how accurate it is at saying someone doesn't have disease. the trouble with these new tests is we just don't know the

numbers yet. additionally, testing for covid-19 is tough. i have been tested myself and i will tell you that swab has to go far up in the nose and for someone to do that themselves, we worry someone will do it inadequately and then they go out and walk around and expose other people and spread the disease. it is a big concern. i'll say here in my home state of rhode island we actually don't allow self-testing for that reason. >> ron, before we get to the other business do you have any thoughts on testing? >> well, i agree with what the doctorer said. obviously testing has been the biggest challenge in this problem in terms of the inadequate testing, the failure to follow what the rest of the world has done, the failure to get the materials out and i understand the temptation to short circuit the hard problems with some magic silver bullet.

two months ago t president and his team announced they had a silver bullet it would be private lab testing. they won't send the supplies to public health labs. we were told there would be tests in every parking lot of every walmart and every big box store and so on and so forth. we're in place where with the kinds of silver bullet promises have to be taken with a grain of salt. it's a hard problem to solve, but time to get the public health departments the materials they need to really conduct really extensive surveillance of where this disease is. getting into the nursing homes, getting into the senior centers. really protecting people that's where our focus should be. >> copy. as i mentioned at the top of our broadcast and we have been covering this throughout our coverage here, the president has been using these briefings as a giant show. everyone understands if you watch the news how controversial that's been and there's been tons of reaction about that.

he hit his own breaking point yesterday. and dr. birx made waves of her own. holding the president accountable as a politician and then the medical experts and ron, because you have done this with ebola, you have been in this situation, i'm really curious what you think of how different folks who are in the tough position of a president floating if idea of drinking bleach, and this comes after he touted a different drug that didn't pan out. what is the role for the officials? look at dr. birx here basically seeming to explain away what the president was doing yesterday. >> you know, he gets new information, he likes to talk that through out loud. and really have that dialogue that's what dialogue he was having. i think he just saw the information at the time, immediately before the press conference and he was still digesting that information. >> ron?

>> yeah. i mean, look, first of all, i have to say obviously i never had this problem working on ebola. i worked for a president who believed in science and was very circumspect in what we he said publicly. this is something we haven't seen before, a public health crisis with the president -- >> i'll do -- ron, i'm going to give you the mic back. you worked for president obama. i went to high school with a lot of people who weren't as qualified as president obama. no one ever seriously recommended drinking bleach. i mean, the bar is pretty low. >> the bar is pretty low. that's fair. i guess the point is, i have a great deal of sympathy for what dr. fauci, dr. birx, dr. redfield, the medical advisers. they work for a narcissist, a person who has tried to say at every turn this is not bad. he denied that there was a

problem in the first place. he claims the problem was going to go away through magic and miracles and warm weather. the other day he stood up and there debated the scientific advisers on whether there's a second wave. he wants to downplay the problem and the scientific advisers, we need them around the president because they definitely have a positive impact. you know, how ever that is. but i think -- >> are they pushing back hard enough? >> yeah, i think -- i say dr. fauci gets the highest marks for willing to speak the truth even when it's up pleasant. reports are that the white house is down on him but he's standing the group. others like dr. mess say she has been sidelined. we haven't seen her in public in a long time after she spoke the truth about this. i think dr. birx is having more trouble walking this fine line. i think her statement there trying to kind of clean up this bleach thing doesn't really pass the laugh test. the other day she stood in the

briefing room and kind of defended georgia's reopening saying maybe it's possible to do social distancing distanced tattooing or hair cutting. ironically the next day president trump said i don't think georgia should open. >> do you think she's being irresponsible? >> look, i think she's in a touch situation. dr. fauci sets the into here. speak the truth and that's the best the people can do. i understand they're in a tough situation but when they don't speak the truth they don't the public any favors or themselves any favors. you know, that's what we need the medical leaders to do. >> doctor i'm going to play some of the response because as everyone has been dealing with this, the response of people who deal with it daily and other experts even by the standards of donald trump 2020 deep in the pandemic something that was off the charts.

take a look. >> the very fact that the president actually asked somebody about what sounded like injecting disinfectants or isopropyl alcohol into the human body was jaw dropping. >> this is the kind of thing you'll forgive the phrase, gets into the water. >> headlines, newspapers, darng rouse, horror. those are from the uk on president trump suggesting again that bleach and uv light into the body may treat coronavirus. >> to paraphrase zoolander, i feel like i'm taking crazy pills. >> that is exactly right. it is not just crazy, but it's frankly irresponsible. this goes beyond the discussions of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine a couple weeks ago which had no evidence,

which might be harmful for some people. but for many people probably weren't going to do much. bleach is frankly toxic. and i have people coming to the er who have drunk bleach as a suicide attempt. this is something that's dangerous to anyone who tries to ingest it and has the potential for great harm to americans. i'm a scientist and in addition to the physician, and i have musings and ideas all the time but i keep them in my lab. i keep them behind closed doors until i have evidence for them. the president to claim that bleach can potentially kill covid-19 puts an enormous numbers of americans at risk. >> clearly stated. stay with me, i want to bring in the daily beast's margaret carlson and david frum who worked in the bush white house. the latest book "trump pock

lips" which is different than the current apocalypse like conditions we're living in. like ron, you served in the white house. his was a democratic white house. yours is a republican white house. your view of this? >> i don't ever want to dissent from anything ron said because he's such an expert on handling this, but i think dr. birx may underestimate her power at this juncture. especially after the inject bleach press conference which is one of the most notorious moments of this history. trump is a psychological coward and the enablers think they're constraining him but they're empowering. if dr. fauci or birx were to resign tomorrow, it would be an upheaval. and he's guided so much by television, he would be terrified of that i think that the people around him need to know he is weak, he is heading toward an historic political

defeat. one that will likely take the senate down with him. all of his bravado is a carapas around his fear. they should use their power to prevent him from doing harm. dozens of people, maybe more, the state of maryland and other states, have tried bleach in the past 24 hours. because people are frightened and desperate and think don't know not to take seriously what the president says. that office has been held by great men, or lesser men, but not held by someone -- you can't take him slightly seriously. they need to understand his fear and use it. >> really well put. i think it's important because i understand again we welcome disagreement and intellectual exploration in our conversations here. i think ron as i was pressing him in the questioning was being rather thoughtful or solicitous

to the bind that someone is in the condition, and david, you're taking there are levers influence, 51,000 people that people can use in the position that they're not trying to stay in government forever but maybe hold on because it would be hard to remove them in the next few weeks and save some lives potentially. margaret, we're going to actually play with the full context in fact checking we have done these controversial remarks of how -- that have the president on the run, and curtailing news briefing. here is margaret carlson for your reaction on the other side. >> then i see the disinfectant it knocks it out in a minute. one minute. and is there a way we can do something like that? by injection inside or almost a cleaning -- because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a

tremendous number on the lungs it would be interesting to check that. >> can you clarify your comments about injections of disinfectant? >> no, i was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you to see what would happen. >> margaret, at the end, you have his explanation today. i will just mention that is false, dr. birx we showed earlier on record said it was genuine and not sarcastic. >> well, he often uses the retroactive sarcasm to cover up for things. you know, i appreciated dr. birx until yesterday or the day before when she did as ron mentioned she said that brian kemp would be creative in finding a way for massage parlors to open and abide by the guidelines. and then yesterday what we didn't see in that clip and you're showing now is dr. birx sitting placidly as president

trump turns to for affirmation. you have to draw the line and dr. fauci has drawn it. for the first time ever, trump corrected fauci. i have never heard it before. somebody quoted to him a time magazine piece in which fauci is quoted as saying you simply cannot ease these restrictions without adequate testing. and trump said if he said that, i disagree. he's not been willing to do that. what trump does is fauci will say something like oh, i'm certain there will be more cases in the fall. and trump then -- dr. trump then says i don't believe there will be. but never reconciles the two things. he goes along as if fauci never said it. so that was a big break that's gone unnoticed. dr. birx has power as david frum

says but she has not wanted to give up the influence behind the scenes we don't see. i mean, he's gone from peddling a fake drug for the virus to recommending we ingest bleach. that's a steep descent to for the president to take and that's why he's being pulled back from the briefings. >> and jonathan swan joined us earlier saying the motivation was that even trump's advisers seeing the briefings as politically hurting him for all of the above reasons. you mentioned georgia, margaret, we have a brief bit of reporting on the ground from how people were trying to prepare for those changes there. take a look. >> we need to get back to work. the employees are -- they're dying to come back to -- you know, to their regular jobs. >> no one feels safe. no one feels it's the adequate

thing to do. >> we're so excited we opened at the same time, but in the back of the head you have the fear. >> margaret and then david. >> i want to ask dr. birx tomorrow or monday when the restaurants open, how is governor kemp going to have waitresses hurl burgers six feet across to a diner's table? this simply -- there's no way possible to do that. i saw the plexiglass going up in different places in georgia, but you know these phases aren't happening. it's not possible to be safe and to open up as rapidly as donald trump is letting the governors do it. >> david? >> propublica published a lift of seven things that the experts recommended before america can open safely and up in have been done and none of those things will be done any time soon.

there's no contact tracing. and the united states cannot stay locked down indefinitely. that's the one thing that the president said is true. i don't think the president and people like governor kemp are consciously planning this but they're removing all the alternatives to the only policy that is going to remain this time six weeks from now or eight weeks from now. which is they're moving toward the policy of what's -- let's take the punch. he's reopen and see what happens. let's accept that there may be hundreds of thousands or some double hundreds of thousands of americans killed. they're going to be mostly poor and minorities, mostly not going to be trump voters, let's take that punch and push through and try to get to herd immunity as fast as possible. i don't think the president quite processes it quite that rationally. but maybe governor kemp dis. i suspect governor desantis probably does. butthat's where with they're going. when you don't prepare any alternatives the only plan left available to you is the plan that you have and the plan that

they're working to is take the punch, let people take the casualti casualties. they're mostly minorities and non-trump voters. >> ari, what david -- >> let me say one thing. i'm over on time. that's very chilling to put it that way. i haven't heard it put quite that way. i'm over on time but margaret, briefly. >> i was going to say that's the other doctor's plan, the dr. oz plan which he articulated last week which is accept a 2 to 3% mortality rate for opening up. >> yeah. which is one of those costs like so many policy and moral decisions that determine on who's paying it. because if it's your family and your folks are dying, it looks like a different bill than if you have the idea correctly or not that it's someone else. i am over on time. we have a really great panel i wouldn't be remiss one way to

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>> that's something you rarely see in fact we haven't clocked it in weeks during these virus briefings. donald trump walking away without taking any questions. the context he's under fire for his dangerous remarks that were false about disinfectant or drinking bleach. and trump may stop appearing daily and make shorter appearances when he does. i want to bring in michael steele who used to run the national committee and has governor experience as well. >> how are you? >> we heard from the doctors and ron clain and you get the fact that the president talks a big game. he's been using his position to berate reporters, to pick his fights. all of a sudden, he finds himself engulfed in scandal at his own making.

when he's against the wall, he runs out of the room without taking any reporter questions. walk us through. >> that's what it looks like when you get caught. when you say something that is so far over the line that even someone like trump has no way to come back. and this idea that somehow this was sarcasm or that, you know, this had a -- it was taken out of context no. there is no context in which you recommend to the american peo e people, particularly those who are suffering with covid-19 that they inject themselves with bleach or some type of disinfectant. so now, finally, the president is getting what folks around him have been saying for a few weeks, ari. that is you need to step out of these events. out of these press conferences because they are killing you. they're hurting you. it's reflected in the polls. the internal numbers are showing them the damage that's being done. that's why there's been such

urgency and now after yesterday, the president sees oh, i guess i better do something about this. >> axios reports that, we mentioned that, i spoke to jonathan swan and he talked about the personal motivations. and "the new york times" said that the president feels like he's been hit by a quote meteor, this is unfair. he's worried about the judgment not only of press and history and his own re-election and then describing a president awaking at 5:00 in the morning, keeping multiple televisions on. that he's watching all the channels, that described him watching our competitor news channels. described him quote, rage watching this channel as well. so if you're at home watching maybe you have something in common with the president, watching this. he's famously into television and a former television reality star. that's the main reason he was known to americans when he ran, burr it describes him basically obsessed. it says that he watches the

cuomo briefing every day, according to "the new york times" new report today. and keeps an eye on how that plays and whether he's mentioned. take a little listen here for your response to the other side to governor cuomo. >> your suggestion, senator mcconnell, pass the law, i dare you. and then go to the president and say sign this bill, allowing states to declare bankruptcy. you want to send the signal to the markets that this nation is in real trouble, you want to send an international message that the economy is in turmoil, do that. allow states to declare bankruptcy, legally because you passed the bill. >> michael, how would you contrast the way cuomo has used the briefings which have largely -- not exclusively, but largely focus on providing public health information to new yorkers and dealing with policy matters with him using that bully pulpit to publicly

transparently debate or negotiate with senator mcconnell over a policy matter. how do you contrast that with the way that the president used his briefings? >> so cuomo handled his briefings in a way that governors should handle his briefings and we have seen that from new jersey to washington state. so the governor has struck the right tone, adopted the right posture. he looks gubernatorial. and in fact as some reports have accounted, he looks presidential. contrast that with what we have seen for the last three weeks where the president comes out and he rips, he makes sarcasm, he goes after the press. he makes the conversation about him. he's the one who's put upon. and it becomes very clear to the american people going back to

our first part of our conversation why the numbers show what they show. why he's fallen from 60% to the handling of the virus at the beginning to 47% or below. what it does to cuomo relative to mitch mcconnell is it gives him stature and a level playing field. so it's not like a governor saying to the senate majority leader, okay, i dare you. it is someone who's been raised in stature in the eyes of the american people saying i dare you. and now everybody is kind of -- like that scene this the movie where you know the one character goes i dare you and everybody looks at the other guy and goes what are you going to do? that's where with mcconnell is right now. >> almost like saying i wish he would. >> yeah. >> michael steele, you always -- you make it plain. even when it's tough news cycle,

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important story this week. many are concerned that there are ways that the pandemic is being abused or exploited to go into unrelated issues like the right to choice. look at how eight states made new efforts to ban abortion as a nonessential medical procedure. governor whitmer is speaking out. >> we stopped elective surgeries here in michigan and some people have tried to say that that type of a procedure is considered the same and that's ridiculous. you know, a woman's health care, her whole future, her ability to decide if and when she starts a family is not an election. it's fundamental to her life. >> there is a lot going on butthis is a huge issue right now. i felts not -- it's not going away just because of what we've

facing so when is a pandemic a chance to change the law. we take that question to two expert guests. maya wiley served in the southern district of new york as a civil prosecutor and eliza hit man, writer and director of a new film "never rarely, sometimes always." a story of two teens looking for medical help to address an unwanted pregnancy. thanks for joining me on the discussion. maya, i'm curious how you think about this given your understanding of the law obviously and your work in government because there are plenty of ways that people would look at an emergency situation and say you do change things. we just heard the michigan governor say yes, but because this is part of essential health services and a constitutional right, it's not something to be altered right now. >> she's exactly right. ari, as you know, we have a

constitutional right to choose whether or not to move forward with the pregnancy. but it's time limited. you don't have a constitutional right forever. because there has been a determination that at a certain point in the fetus' viability then there's a constitutional question about whether you can proceed. so women don't have the luxury to say, i'll wait another six months. until i have the abortion. that's part of what it makes essential. texas is a good example of this. there was no reason to deny women their constitutional right because there were ways to keep people safe. this wasn't going to take hospital beds from people. who had covid-19. because it was giving two pills, medically induced abortion and providing medication didn't call into question concerns that texas --

in icus and around things like protective gear like masks and other things like gloves for people who had to protect themselves as health care workers from people who are infected by covid-19. those really are the questions, right? you don't take away someone's constitutionally protected rights and it doesn't even advance the public health concerns. so that's why the governor's correct and why it was appropriate for texas to roll back its banning this important right. >> you have done this work telling this story, how do you view it and are you surprised to see this push in some states during the pandemic? >> yeah, i mean, i made a fictional narrative film that

explores the barriers that young women come up against when they don't have access in the place that they live. this is very much about the distressing, expensive journey that two young women take to new york city. since covid outbreaks i think it's unfortunate that politicians are you know trying to classify abortion as a nonessential procedure. even in a crisis sexual health needs don't go away. and we should have more access at this given moment than less. >> maya, i want to read just briefly from "the new york times" report on this broadly. it's something that again pompeo may not have heard much about, how abortion and church closings have made it little to do with the virus that's likely infected with more than a million have emerged over how government is responding to the crisis. and maya do you think that this is ultimately a bit of a

political inevitability because of our polarization or do you think it is something explicit and specific? obviously, mitch mcconnell and others have very publicly put this in red and blue term ups. >> yeah. i think -- unfortunately despite a very serious public health crisis i think we're seeing partisan politics and things that have nothing to do with protecting ourselves from the pandemic. that's really a problem. as eliza is pointing off we have women who are poor who can't get access to appropriate health care. because they lack paid sick days or because they're too far from health facilities to get access to them. that includes abortion. what our concern should be is making sure that everyone can get access. i will say that there are times when i think there's a

legitimate concern on the part of people who i may not agree with on these questions, meaning, yeah, i think if you want to have a church service and you can do it in a way that maintains your safe distance and safe practices, i think people do have a legitimate concern about whether they can sit -- and listen to their pastor over the radio. and i think we have seen some examples that we should acknowledge are not necessarily protecting people's life to practice in the same way that shouldn't deny women who have a time sensitive medical issue that will impact their lives the rest of their lives. that we should make it more difficult to get that procedure. >> right. yeah. i appreciate that context. we wanted to make sure to shine a light on this. thanks to both of you. up ahead we'll hear from the one and only paul krugman and later something important about 2020. stay with us. mething important 2020 stay with us

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i think it's also time to begin to think about the amount of debt that we're adding to our country and the future impact of that. >> mitch mcconnell talking about slowing down the spending. i want to show you also something we'll about to do. paul krugman just joined us. let's take a look. how do economists know that deficit spending or running up a deficit is not a big deal? >> well, couple of things. one, look at markets. we have $20 trillion in debt and the u.s. government can borrow at 1.37% for ten years, the markets don't think it's a problem. you do the arithmetic, no way to

make -- the death spirals aren't going to happen. the interest rates are too low. the president of the american economic foundation gave his presidential address to say hey you know, this debt is not a problem. >> we will all remember though the stated concern that barack obama was raising debt, the tea party opposition, the newt gingrich revolution that claimed to care about a democratic president, bill clinton, and his spending. we had to balance the budget. i mean, we lived through. this let me read to you something for your analysis from mick mulvaney of all people. quote, my party is interested in deficits when there's a democrat in the white house. the worst thing in the whole thing is deficits when barack obama was the president. then trump became president, we're a lot less interested as a party. paul? >> yeah. they were complete hypocrites, in fact i told you that after in column after column all through the obama years. this was a complete fraud from the beginning. nobody in the republican party

actually cared about deficits. >> do you think that there's a space between economics, journalism and whatever the debate is to then do something about that? i mean, do you view the tea party as having been less than an honest movement? >> well, look, the tea party was never about deficits. if you back to -- go back to the beginning, is the government going to take your money and help people with darker skin, let's been host. the tea party wasn't about the deficits. and a fair number of people have good intentions did buy into the deficit stuff and they are perhaps persuadable. so that's why people like me write. i mean, some people you can never reach but there's hopefully some group of people with who -- for whom you can present the facts. you can present the analysis. you can say, look, you have been worrying about the wrong thing. >> and paul krugman's new book

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