i just have to get over this. >> and that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. first up on msnbc, risky business. at least three states this morning are trying to restart their economies, but why some fear it's too soon. >> when he gets new information, he likes to talk that throughout loud. >> a key white house doctor try toes explain the president's remark owes disinfectants. new symptoms, another list is out with coronavirus effects and one report is what is emerging as a surprise killer. overseas, one of europe's biggest annual parties may be

canceled this year. the latest from germany and a live report. good morning and thank you for joining us. it's saturday, april 25th. >> let's take a look at where we are this morning. there are more than 900,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus across the country. more than 50,000 people have died. look at that number. and this will give you a little bit of perspective. look at yankee stadium here. normally some 52,000 people can pack that stadium. so in just about a month, that is the equivalent of how many people have died in this country. quite shocking. >> that really puts it into perspective. three states are taking steps to reopen. in georgia and oklahoma, salons and spas started opening their doors yesterday, while alaska began lifting regulations on restaurants. >> and over in wisconsin, health

care workers are protesting against reopening too soon. protesters lined the state capital with 1300 candles. each one representing someone in the state who has been hospitalized or lost their life due to covid-19. >> president trump plans to reduce his coronavirus press briefings. this comes as remarks made by the president have come under fire by health experts. the president apparently wondered allowed whether disinfectants could be injected to treat the virus. dr. deborah birx, however, is coming to his defense. >> when he gets new information, he likes to talk that throughout loud and really have that dialogue. that's what dialogue he was having. i think he just saw the information at the time immediately before the press conference and he was still digesting that information. >> and, doctors are sounding the alarm about a new medical

development. a new poll shows people in their 30s and 40s who are barely sick from the virus are dieing from strokes. doctors say some of the patients didn't even know they were infected. more on that, ahead. first, we go to georgia where there are more than 22,000 confirmed cases and nearly 900 people have died . >> today is the second day that some nonessential businesses can reopen. blain alexander shows us how some are preparing. >> from buzzing barber shops to sweaty gyms, georgia is at least partially back in business. >> i was really surprised when they said the barber shops were opening, but i was so excited because i look like a caveman. >> gr ryan kemp allowing barber shops, gyms, bowling alleys and more to reopen. >> when i weighed the risk/reward, we decided to go ahead and open and put our plans in place. >> he has been getting calls since monday, but only taking

limited customers with new precautions. no waiting inside. the chairs, spread out. and nobody is allowed in without a mask. >> the thing that scares me is i'm just not sure if the new normal will be suitable for what we do. >> sam brock is live in atlanta this morning. sam, businesses are back open, but with everybody wearing mask he, it does not look like business as urnl. >> everybody is wearing masks in terms of the employees at these places, but the rate rons do not have to wear masks. the guidance from governor kemp is ppe, when it is appropriate and available. so you can only imagine in places like salons, barber shops, gyms, spas, when you're inside there, some of the patrons are protected from the employees, but the employees are not necessarily protecteded from

the patrons. this has drawn criticism for many reasons one of which is the mayors don't want to see it happen here. kiesha bottoms, the mayor of atlanta, has come out and told people to stay at home. 22,500 cases in georgia right now. about 900 deaths, which is 10th or 11th most in the entire cup. they're going up, not down. a lot of business owners tell me it's important they get things started and that they're being as safe sass possible. we watched yesterday as so many

people have come in. basic questions and once you get inside, not just a limitation on the number of people there, but everything has to be cleaned off and sanitized six feet away from everybody who is there to get their haircut. so they're putting restrictions in place. if you were to walk down the sidewalk from where i am, there's a salon next door. they told me they are not opening right now. they want to see how this blueprint can be put in place. not everybody right now that can reopen is reopening. but as far as the owner, tommy thomas of this establishment, he says he needs this right now and he can do it safely. here is what he told me. >> hey, if we would have had that, we could be out another week or so. but without a paycheck three or four weeks, it hurts. person gets out of our chair, we're spraying it and wiping it

down. so, yeah, we're cleaner now than we've ever been. >> a couple more points to make quickly for you guys this morning. business owners are saying they have not had access to the loans for small businesses, the kinds of loans that we've seen scooped up from major chains and business organizations. that is part of the problem. that's one. the other thing that i would point your attention to is this is stage one here in georgia. on monday, we get stage two. that is movie thoughters and restaurants that are allowed to reopen under certain forms of

restrictions as it is a full expansion in other states. guys, back to you. >> it will be interesting to see how comfortable people feel going into those movie theaters and restaurants. sam brock live in atlanta, thank you. >> makes me wonder if a massage parlor is part of stage one in georgia, what is stage two? >> right. so is it really possible the showman president trump planning to cut back on his coronavirus briefings? >> monica, what prompted this new report? >>. >> last night's briefing was so short and the president and the vice president didn't take any

questions. axios is reporting that they may now be scaled down, that after we see some of these veer off into two-hour marathon briefings that aren't always on the subject or the topic at hand, the allies and advisers closest to the president have been urging him to reconsider his appearances and have been stressing that although the president feels he wants to be in front of the american public on a daily basis, it may not be worth it if he makes comments like the ones he made on thursday night suggesting that heat, light and injections can be used to treat the coronavirus. we have to say that is not the case and even some of the president's closest aides were caught off guard by the president's remarks, they didn't know where he got that information. they believe he conflated some information that was given to him just hours before he came

out and meat those comments. of course, later the white house made those comments saying it was the press taking the president out of context which, k, we were just reporting his exact own words and presented them as questions to his top doctors. later on friday, the president said he was being sarcastic in those remarks, but he's leaned on that excuse other times when his remarks have been criticized or roundly rejected. it's worth noting here on this saturday, there is no briefing as of yet, but as we know, that can always be added. this is a president who has come out to brief, he's done this for hours on end, but it seems as though he's considering how strategic that is. >> monica alba at the white house, thank you. to new york this morning,

there is a new battle on revenue. >> the latest number of coronavirus cases in new york represents about one-third of all cases in the country. >> corey kaufman, good morning to you. we see it behind you. you are outside the u.s. naval hospitalship comfort. the pentagon says it's going to return to its home port of virginia. so why is it leaving? >> good morning to both of you guys. so the whom deal is there is no specific reason. once the ship was converted into a coronavirus ship, it had some 500 beds. as of yesterday, we know 71 of those beds were filled.

the president says he would like the ship to move on to its next mission. all of this comes after president trump and governor cuomo had a meeting. something that governor cuomo still cannot get past is federal relief funding for new york and all the states. he says he needs much more help from the federal government in order to start reopening new york. this week, mitch mcconnell suggested states file for bankrupt before starting to receive help to which governor cuomo blasted those comments saying not only is that illegal, but it would send the wrong direction economically.

he also said the senator from kentucky is a taker, not a giver. >> new york is a state of givers. we put more money into the federal pot every year. we're the number one state in donating to the federal pot. number one. kentucky is the number three state in taking from the federal pot. they take out more from the federal pot than they put in. every year. every year. >> and, guys, for his part, governor cuomo said that he dared mitch mcconnell to enact a law that allowed that and see what states actually file for bankruptcy. >> i guess a little sliver of hope that the comfort is now going to leave new york city and go back to its home in virginia. thank you. new this morning, the cdc

has officially added new symptoms to its covid-19 list and they include chills, repeated shaking with chills, muscle pain, headache, sore throat and new loss of smell or taste. >> joining us now for a look at the fact over heres, dr. lippy roy. good morning. we've talked about many of these symptoms before. what does it means now that the cdc is making it official? >> good morning. good to be with you. so there is now a concity lagz of symptoms. back in the beginning, they pointed out three main symptoms. there's a lot of other symptoms that we associate with viral conditions, the chills, the shakes, headache, dizziness, other symptoms sxp and i can't

say that's surprising. we see a lot of these symptoms with viral illnesses. >> how about "the washington post" report that people in their 30s and 40s who are barely sick are dieing from strokes. some didn't even know they were infected. >> so, kendis, it's a really disturbing and tragic story, but it's consistent with what we're discovering about this virus. i get calls and texts from my medical colleagues from all over the country who have been noticing that patient wes covid-19 are having a lot of clots. the tubing in their bodies are getting clots, clots in the legs, clots in the lungs resulting in a pulmonary embolism and now sadly clots

that are going up to the brain and causing strokes. a lot of these younger patients are seeing large vessel clots. we need to the a lot more studies to understand more of the path of the physiology to understand why this is happening as well as treatment and management. so should a patient get a blood thereiner right when they come in? patients need to recognize some of these symptoms early on and call 911 right away. so the stroke symptoms, think of the acronym f.a.s.t. facial drooping, arm weakness on one side, speech difficulties or vision difficulties. and "t," time to call 911 if you're experiencing any of these symptoms. do not delay.

>> and reports indicate the coronavirus was present in the country much earlier than anyone thought. and at least one model shows there could have been as many as 28,000 by then. are you surprised by this information? yeah, i mean, it's a little alarming and disturbing, but at the same time, we can't really be xlootly surprised because, remember, we saw signs of this infection in other countries in 2019. in december. in china, we saw an increasing number of infection necessary other countries, in europe. and it's not like we just live and stay in one spot. we're a globally active society. and the truth is that we were

not testing early. still not widespread. but we're now discovering -- by autopsy and other ways, but not surprising. but, again, i try not to look backwards, but move forward which includes widespread testing and contract tracing. >> dr. roy, thank you. a new round of postal service battles. plus, another beach opens in florida with several restrictions. more of these pictures and the story behind it. more of these pictures and the story behind it. fine, no one leaves the table until your finished.

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welcome back, everybody. here is a look at cincinnati, ohio, home of the nfl cincinnati bengals and they used the first pick in thursday's draft to select heisman winning quarterback joe burrow from ohio. >> i thought the draft was actually quite fun this year, checking out everybody's apartment. >> you're getting a little peek behind the curtain? >> yeah, exactly. anyway, developing this morning, president trump contra differenting his own medical advisers. >> the associated pretty reports it's becoming a virtual. they filed in each evening to discuss the coronavirus producing a display of contortions as medical officials try to stay true to the science without crossing the president. >> a prime example this week, coming in a briefing right after the cdc director told "the washington post" that a second

wave could come this fall and next winter and it could be deadlier than what we're going through right now. >> dr. robert redfield was totally misquoted in the media on a statement about the fall season and the virus. >> you were accurately quoted, correct? >> i was accurately quoted. >> it may not come back at all. >> we will have coronavirus in the fall. i am convinced of that. whether or not it's going to be big or small is going to depend on our response. and that's what i think people sometimes have a misunderstanding. nobody can predict what is going to happen with an outbreak, but you can predict how you're going to respond to it. >> all right. let's go now to msnbc political analyst susan del percio, republican strategist and columnist with ozzie media. susan, good morning to you.

>> good morning. >> it appears the president wants to calm the public's fear, but in doing so, is he create ago credibility issue for himself? >> absolutely. and we've seen it in the polling, the american public does not trust donald trump. what is different today which is different than what they believed at that time, and to be fair, they didn't trust hillary clinton, either, on election day. it's one thing if you think he may be fudging it about russia, mueller or the ukraine. but now this is about your health, your parents' health, your children's health. and now it is translating into the economy. if you can't trust the president, ohio can you get the economy back on track? >> and that sums it up right there. so many people were concerned about hillary's emails. when you think about people's health and their bottom line, it's a completely different argument. in the meantime, you have a new poll where only 23% of americans

say they have high levels of trust in what the president is telling the public and among republicans, only about half say they have a lot of trust in trump's information. if this could have long lasting impact on him and his re-election? >> absolutely. look at what they have to trust the president to do today versus what they had to do in 2016. in 2016, the question was do you trust him to really get mexico to pay for a wall? it seemed outrageous, but people didn't care. now do you trust the president to keep your children healthy and safe at school? do you trust the president to get your job back? and those numbers are devastating because we're going to see the house races especially depend on the president's numbers. this is very bad news for the president and very bad news for republicans.

if you can't trust him and the party in power in the senate to get things done, you're not going to win. >> well, now senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is facing backlash for essentially suggesting the states hit hard by the outbreak should declare bankruptcy instead of relying on federal help. new york governor andrew cuomo blasted that suggestion. >> that's the only way states would be able to go into bankruptcy. it's an absurd idea. it's wrong headed. it's foolish. and what's worse is it's politically motivated at a time where people don't want to be bothered with politics. they want to get back to worth. they want to be healthy. they don't want to see this ridiculous back and forth between mitch mcconnell and andrew cuomo. and as someone that worked with andrew cuomo, let me tell you, mitch mcconnell will lose this

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i'm worried now more about what this globe will look like and what my job will look like when things start to open up. so when we start having less social distancing and going back to life you as usual, i think everyone on my team knows that life will never be usual again. this will be something that we'll need to look for and manage differently and do differently. >> a message of concern from a chicago doctor about the dangers of opening the country too early. 16,000 cases of covid-19 in chicago. nearly 40,000 in the state of illinois. >> yeah. the latest numbers, more than

900,000 coronavirus cases are confirmed in the u.s. more than 51,000 people have died. >> president trump has threatened to block funding for the u.s. postal service. if it doesn't raise prices for online retailers. the usps is looking for a $10 million loan to make up for a drop in revenue during the pandemic. the president says it's their fault they're losing money. the postal service is a joke. because they're handing out packages for amazon and other internet companies and every time they bring a package, they lose money on it. >> president trump later tweeted he will, quote, never let our post office fail and claims it has been mismanaged for years. controversial attorney michael avenatti has been released from jail for fear that could contract covid-19 after his lawyers said he had pneumonia last year. he's required to wear a

monitoring bracelet and will surrender at the end of 90 days. avenatti was convicted this past year of attempt to go extort monies from nike. avenatti denies the allegations. some top navy officials are asking for captain brett crozier be reinstated. at least 850 sailors on board have tested positive and one has died. mark esper is now deciding. and in florida, crowds hit the beach in panama city after bay county reopened its coast for the first time in weeks. hours and activities are limited and beach goers must maintain some proper social distance unless you're a couple like those two. >> let's go over to pennsylvania. one of several states working to restart its economy by early next month. but experts say without contact tracing, there could be a second

wave of infections. right now, there are more than 38,000 confirmed cases in the state of pennsylvania. >> mara barette is live at a testing site in blue bell, pennsylvania, just north of philadelphia. what is the scene like there so far? >> good morning, guys. it's a little foggy here this morning, but mind me is one of the two mass testing sites here in southeastern pennsylvania which, of course, where it's the most densely populated cases of covid-19 here in the state. experts have been telling me that testing is key, but so is contract tracing and they go hand in hand. they're really concerned about the lack of testing because without the proof of positive cases, they can't even get started when it comes to contact tracing. that's making sure people who were in positive know who they were in contact with and the public health officials can let those people to know to self-isolation. here in pennsylvania, only about 2% of the population has been tested. and a doctor i spoke with

yesterday warned about how dire that situation is, especially when it comes to asymptomatic patients. take listen. >> it's so important for us to be able to increase testing capacity. this is so important, in particular, as we learn more about asymptomatic spread. and the high proportion of people who are infected who appear to be just fine. in terms of infection control, those are the people who make our jobs extremely difficult. >> so the governor here is talking about a slow reopening in the next couple of weeks. and he included that a surveillance plan is necessary in order to do that. however, he says he doesn't have the funding yet or an actual plan for when it does come to contract tracing. so when people are starting to go out to some of these businesses or doing curbside pick up, people who are asymptomatic might not know that

they're spreading the virus to others out in pennsylvania. guys. >> mara barette, thank you. we just fast forward to 2021. first we had coachella, and now octoberfest canceled. is there nothing sacred in 2020? >> this iconic festival, let's just start over. carl is following this story from munich. carl, this is a huge blow. organizers say it brings about 6 million visitors from all over the world but, of course, officials say crowded beer tents are basically a recipe for disaster. >> yeah. i'm standing here on the fairgrounds where octoberfest is usually held. you can see a lot of people out exercising, enjoying the sunshine. but reality really hits you. when you look over my shoulder here, those are covid-19 testing centers here where octoberfest is normally held.

now, in the state of bavaria, this is one of the most, in fact, the hardest hit region in germany. it was one of the fastest to go into lockdown, one day earlier than the national government maid th made that decision. germany is slowly starting to come out of those closures. some schools getting back in session. and most recently, religious ceremonies within small ceremonies will be allowed to be held in a week. but, of course, one industry that is saying, look, this is a slow reopening, but could you please hurry up a bit is that iconic beer industry. many breweries here, there's 1500 of them in germany, they're in trouble. that's because their biggest business is from places like restaurants, bars, beer gardens, octoberfest, as well. some 80% to 90% of the business is done that way. all of those industries are still closed. there's no plan yet in germany

for how to get restaurants up and going again, how do you get people to come back to the bars. those are all still closed. we heard some sad news this week here in bavaria. one family-run brewery has announced it will close after four centuries of being in business. now, imagine all the crises they have survived, but not able to survive the coronavirus. i spoke with the head of germany's brewing association. he told me, look, this could be the tip of the iceberg in terms of breweries being forced to close. their sales are just dip to go that kind of point. there is no plan to get restaurants back up and running. there was actually protests, placing empty chairs in front of the restaurants to represent those missing customers. octoberfest could be a larger sign of more trouble to come for germany's beermakers. >> there are so many things that germans were looking forward to this spring and this summer

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in the search for solutions, some states are trying antibody test to go try and identify those who have survived the virus and possibly developed immunity to infection. >> but scientists warn a majority of antibody tests are not validated and, therefore, their results may not help prevent a second wave of u.s. infections. here is dr. harvey feinberg. >> for the new serology tests that look at antibodies, we need to validate carefully whether these tests, in fact, perform in the way that the manufacturers claim. and right now, the fda is allowing these tests to come to the market because of the enormous need for them and, yet, we need to validate their performance or we're going to get misled potentially. >> joining us now, professor benjamin cowling.

professor, thanks for joining us. serve labs are working to validate these tests, but can people with antibodies be certain they even have temporary immunity from covid-19? >> so it's an important point that we need to validate the tests. the second thing we need to establish is whether having antibodies prevents you from getting another infection. >> i'll tell you this, professor, just within the last couple of minutes, the world health organization has been looking into there, of course, from the start, tweeting that there's currently no evidence that people who have recovered from covid-19 have antibodies and are protected from a second infection. that would be an alarming thing for many people who have recovered from this disease, hearing this now from the world health organization that there's no evidence that they're protected from a second

infection. >> yeah. i don't know. i think it's a little bit early to say that kind of thing. i've seen some of the data of people recovering from covid have antibodies, but what we haven't discovered is if you have those antibodies, what level of protection does that correspond to and if there's a population with a lot of people without antibodies, would that population be protected or immune from a second wave. >> and this week, one in five new york city residents were shown to have antibodies. with all of those questions whether about whether antibodies bring immunity, how significant is that statistic? >> one in 20 is significant, but it does tell us, again, that covid is not like flu. pore flu, we might expect 15 or 20% of people get infected in a heavy flu season. we don't see that kind of impact with people infected there in new york and we know covid has a long way to go.

it could go 30%, 40%, 50% in a place like new york if we don't get on top of it. >> as you know, dozens of labs around the world are fast tracking vaccines. they're hoping to. the fda has never approved of a vaccine for humans effective against any member of the coronavirus family. and we still don't have one for the common cold. a lot of people are talking we're 18 months away from a vaccine. we don't have an hiv vaccine. how realistic is it that we will ever have a covid-19 vaccine? >> again, i think it's really early in the process to say whether or not some of these candidates are going to work. there's some very promising candidates. some have even started human studies in the past few weeks. but it's really too early to say whether these vaccines are going to work or whether maybe the second generation of vaccines that come out later this year are going to be the ones that work. that's why we're talking about an 18-month timeline because we can't be sure that these first

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washington and be a part of that protest. . >> hi. i'm with the national nurses united with washington, d.c. i was motivated to participate in this protest because i feel like our voices as nurses are not being heard. we are caring for patients who are covid positive without the proper ppe. it is not safe for us. it's not safe for our patients as well. when i say ppe, i mean n-95s, surgical masks, face mosques, gowns, shoe covers. we need it now. we need president trump to fully im. the production act for the production of these testing equipment and supplies. we also need to issue an

emergency temporary infectious disease standard to protect nurses and health care workers from covid-19 exposure. >> are there any areas that are harder hit than others when it comes to not having enough ppe? what are you hearing from your colleagues? >> it's across. currently at my place of practice within a few weeks we went from having adequate ppes to very few to work with. we are being given one n-95 and two face shields per shift. we are required to use them for our entire shift. our shift is a minimum of 12 to 13 hours. these n-95s are single use per patient. we are urged to use them moving from one positive covid patient

to the next patient. and some of these patients haven't been diagnosed yet. >> i see signs being held up at lafayette park across from the white house. >> one of my friends tested positive for covid-19. >> are they okay? are they on the road to recovery? >> they are doing well. >> do feel as if you are putting yourselves on the front lines every day you're there based on the sort of equipment you have, even a month, two months into this fight? >> we need the public to know we are not being protected. we need to release the standards

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first up on msnbc, a sobering might stone in the covid-19 fight. some areas seeing a bend in the curve, while others see a spike in cases. on edge where america is reopening. in someone happens to someone, we can't replace people. >> i want people to come get a haircut, not