first up on msnbc, a sobering might stone in the covid-19 fight. some areas seeing a bend in the curve, while others see a spike in cases. on edge where america is reopening. in someone happens to someone, we can't replace people. >> i want people to come get a haircut, not leave with covid. >> it scares me that if the new

normal will be suitable for what we do. scaling back. what prompted the president's decision about daily news briefings. covid patients in their 30s and 40s dying from strokes. some didn't even know they were infected. a very good morning to all of you. it is saturday, april 25th. i'm alex witt. there were more than 9,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus across this country. more than 50,000 people have died. as that death toll crossesed grim new threshold, three states are taking steps to reopen. salons and spas opened their doors yesterday. alaska began lifting regulations on restaurants. customers are expected to follow social distancing measures. health care workers in wisconsin are protesting against reopening too soon. protest else lining 1,300

candles, each representing someone who lost their lives or was infected with coronavirus. remarks made by the president have come under big-time fire by health experts. the president wondering allowed whether disinfectants could be injected. dr. birx is coming through in his defense. >> when he gets new information he likes to have dialogue. i think he saw information at that time immediately before the press conference, skpefpls still digesting that information. >> yeah. maybe he shouldn't have done that and put on the microphone. a new medical development. a report from the "washington post" shows people in their 30s and 40s are dying from strokes. doctors say someone didn't even

know they were infected. the pressure is on to reopen. the government reporting a 13 billion dollars revenue shortfall. he is battling the senate majority leader over federal aid. new york remains the epicenter of the outbreak. even with the highest number of cases in the country, new york city is losing the services of the u.s. navy hospital ship "comfort". corie coffin is joining me. these are big decisions being made against the fight against the pandemic. what do you happen about them? >> reporter: monumental, alex. not only for the uss kphft but the javits center. of course as we need it, the sns

"comfort" was not at full capacity. officials are expecting the drawdown dates to be the 30th. all of this as new york continues to fight for federal resources. mitch mcconnell rejected the idea of a blue state bailout to which governor cuomo said mitch mcconnell takes much more from the state of new york. the state of new york is the number one contributor to the federal pot. take a listen to what he said about that. >> we were putting money into the pot. they were taking our dollars out of the pot. and now he wants to look at new york and say we're bailing you out? you're bailing us out? just give me my money back, senator. just give me my money back.

economy is coming back. we're doing great. pent up demand. stock market wants to take on. good. pass a bill allowing states to be bankrupt and then let's watch how the stock market takes off at that great news about our economic resilience. >> reporter: all right. let's talk about testing, alex. when it comes to testing, the governor and president trump made headway there. they came to an agreement and partner up and double up testing to up to 40,000 tests a day. and some monumental news out of the first antibody testing it of new york, saying 14% had antibodies, meaning they did recover from coronavirus. which could mean 2.7 million people in the state of new york have it whether or not they knew about it. and the governor taking no chances. he is doing mail-in voting for the primary june 23rd. >> cori coffin, thank you so much outside the usns comfort.

in pennsylvania, a reported 20% peek in coronavirus-related deaths. governor wolf is making plans to open as early as may 8th. there are a lot 36,000 cases of coronavirus in the keystone state. nbc's mara barrett is in blue bell, just north of philadelphia. good morning to you. what are you seeing there? >> reporter: good morning, alex. this is one of two mass testing sites in the region. pennsylvania is only test 2g% of its population because they are requiring people need to show symptoms before testing. they expanded it beyond the elderly and health care workers.

so doctors are saying a lot with testing, contract tracing as we talk about opening up neighboring states is key because of the asymptomatic patients. if they're going out in public and they might be spreading the virus, people need to know who they might need to be in contact with. mike bloomberg will vest $10.5 million in a contact tracing plan. he spoke about how important this trace is. >> reporter: if you are able to trace contacts and have them quarantining themselves so they don't give it to anybody else, you cut down on person to person. if all you do is take care of people fallen sick, there will always be other circles of

infection. >> reporter: the doctor noted that about one in every 1,000 people will need a contract tracer for them. this is an opportunity to get new jobs. he also noted with testing and then contact tracing there's need for housing or food supply because if a contact tracer tells you and you need to self-isolate and you're not in a position to do so, extra re sor resources to come in. >> i called you mara at the beginning but that's because i haven't had enough coffee. the fda is warning against the use of hydroxycholoroquine the president repeatedly touted as a treatment for the coronavirus. what do you make of this? >> so the hydroxycholoroquine

clinical trials show in clinical benefit. it indicate out of the veterans. so at this point there's no data to suggest that hydroxycholoroquine can improve outcomes. if anything, it could make the outcomes more severe and leave to increased mortality. . >> that is why you think the fda got involved? the president touting this from the beginning saying he was sending plenty of supply to the states. fda is saying cut it out now? >> yes. anecdotally we were seeing some clinical benefit. you can't tell and you can't make any broad statements until there are the gold standard clinical trials.

it showed no benefit and yet an increase in death. >> remdesivir, what is the deal on that one? >> the studies are under way. it is too soon to tell. the gold standard clingal trial, which the results can go either way is still to be determined. we should know in the coming weeks whether or not there's any benefit to that treatment. way too soon to tell. >> reporting from yahoo! news shows preliminary results, doctor, from government lab experiments which show coronavirus doesn't survive long in high temperatures and high humidity, it is quickly destroyed by sunlight, providing evidence from controlled tests of what scientists believed but had not yet proved to be true. where do you stand on this? is this true in terms of sunlight and high temperatures in terms of this disease?

that does that say about places in the southern hemisphere experiencing summer temperatures that still have coronavirus? >> right. so when we are talking about sunlight and these temperatures, we are talking about very, very high temperatures. and we're talking about settings in a controlled environment in a laboratory which is different than a real world situation much we have to take that within context with a grain of salt to to speak. the fact that we see it surviving and thriving in the southern hemisphere should be a real world use case as owe polesed to taking this data, extracting it from the lab and say everything is going away in the summertime. there is a chance like most viruses, like with seasonal influenza that we will see a slight decrease or even a significant decrease in summer cases. if we look to our partners in the southern hemisphere already

experiencing those summers, i don't think we should say it will go away. >> what about the startling information from the "washington post", some people in their 30s and 40s who are barely sick are dying of strokes. some of them didn't know they were infected. what is behind this? >> right now the cases are very small. we are talking about a dozen, a few dozen patients, handful of patients where this has been seen. it is true there are cases of individuals in their 30s and 40s presenting where perhaps they had a headache and cough for a week. otherwise, they were quarantining like the rest of us. they are coming in and found to have a stroke. there is a small sample. three large medical centers have now come together. even if you are younger, you're

not in the clear. get online, do a virtual consult in your pajamas. it doesn't matter. we don't know how this is impacting the body. it is more than just respiratory compromise. it could affect other organs in the body. >> real quickly, those several dozen who may have died from a stroke, how likely is it they had underlying conditions that may not yet have been reported? >> the likelihood is probably low. we believe this is the pathology of the virus itself. we have seen other viruses do this as well. hepatitis can cause stroke. it is not surprising that viruses can impact small blood vessels. >> doctor, thank you very much. we'll see you again. the president may be scaling back his presence at the coronavirus briefings. kelly o'donnell at her post.

in saturday morning, my friend. what's behind us? >> reporter: good morning, alex. the president said he uses his briefings to try to put out suggestions and offer up ideas to help get rid of the virus. after some controversy the last couple of days, that suggestion of using chemicals or light for potential medical purposes drew ridicule and warnings from the scientific community. and the briefings, which he has made a centerpiece, are atistic with some of his advisers and allies saying he should do fewer shorter briefings. we saw that for the first time on friday. after boasting about tv ratings and sparring with reporters for weeks. >> do you guys ever stop? do you want to keep going? >> reporter: a twist on the drama friday. brief comments and then president trump headed for the door, taking no questions.

earlier in the oval office he tried to deflect that disinfectant could be used for internal use. >> i was asking a very sarcastic question to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside. but it does kill it. and it would kill it on the hands. and that would make things much better. >> reporter: but no sarcasm was evident when the president turned to his medical experts, not reporters, to suggest they study ingesting disinfectant. >> and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning. you see it gets in the lungs and does a tremendous number on the lines. >> reporter: the idea followed a homeland security that showed it killed on surfaces, not people. >> deborah, have you ever heard

of that? . >> not as a treatment >> reporter: friday, the fda issued new caution against the outpatient use of a drug the president repeatedly promoted. hydroxycholoroquine. the fda is conducting clinical trials. and the president signed the latest relief package to aid small businesses which includes billions for hospitals and testing. and some of the advice the president has received about doing fewer, shorter briefings happened before this latest dustup about chemicals and how they might be used. as the country gets closer to reopening, which a couple of states have begun to do, it would make sense for the president not to be overexposed talking about this in crisis mode each day. that advice came before this latest problem.

however, the president on friday took himself out of the question and answer period. today there is no briefing on the president's schedule. we have seen in the past where he has added one late in the day. given this new advice, that is something we will be watching with curiosity today. . >> thank you so much. kelly o'donnell for the white house. we'll take you to georgia next. the precautions some are taking and why some business owners are choosing to stay closed. choosing to stay closed. so you only pay for what you need! [squawks] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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welcome back, everyone. here's a live look from las vegas. still dark there. you can see the shape of a heart and hope shines bright. the mayor mass caught plenty of flack after saying she wanted casinos reopened. this morning 50,000 americans are dead as a result of the coronavirus. the state of georgia reporting 900 of those deaths with at least 22,000 cases confirmed so

far. georgia and other states are loosening up restrictions on social distancing. nbc's sam brock is joining me from atlanta, georgia. a case that faced a lot of scrutiny over its partial reopening yesterday. as you're out and about as i say good morning to you, where do georgians stand on getting back to work? >> reporter: hi, alex. a lot of people want to see the life blood come back and be able to get checks. if you're waiting to pay your rent, a lot of people in that position now. within the last 24 hours, barber shops and salons, spas and massage parlors opened up. but they have to deal with new restrictions. fewer than 10 people inside right now. there is plenty of spacing between clients and sanitizing everything. this morning georgia a national flashpoint. stores that were forced to close for weeks because of the deadly coronavirus now open for business. drawing controversy.

>> the fact that salons can be open, i don't know why that's essential. >> reporter: salons, spas, tattoo parlors, gyms, restaurants and movie theaters, among other businesses all getting the green light. at the thomas barbershop in atlanta, temperature checks and employee masks are new with the owner of this half century old business encouraged. . >> we're cleaning our scissors or combs. it is better today than it's ever been. >> reporter: governor kemp saying he's informed by data and public health recommendations and hospital capacity. but georgia's covid-19 cases have been going up throughout the week. federal guidelines say they should be going down. >> i didn't like to see spas at this early stage. spas, beauty parlors, tattoo parlors, no. >> reporter: presidential criticism for kemp as states like alaska open up restaurants

a . >> there's a fear factor. at some point we have to try. >> reporter: at oklahoma, salons and spas where some owners enforce strict rules. >> i want to get a haircut not leave with covid. >> it is their personal choice as an american to come into the salon if they want to. and they have that right. >> reporter: americans from wisconsin to georgia are exercising their right to protest the plants. >> we're not disposable just because we're low-income people. >> employees worried about the risk of return as some owners like brant gully will not bring back his theater. >> it didn't then and doesn't now feel like the responsible thing to do. >> reporter: with safeguards in place, others say the cost of staying closed is also considerable. >> what's the worst evil?

everybody staying at home and killing the economy? there's a fine line there. >> reporter: this barbershop has been open since 1959. the owner tells me it is the first time they have been closed for multiple weeks. people have been here since 6:15 this morning. if you go just a few hundred feet down, there is a salon. they are not own. they are facing in the process trying to figure out how this works with sanitization, with staffing, moving people around. and i will tell you i probably went to two dozen businesses yesterday. a handful were open that are eligible. many are waiting and moving cautiously to see how this goes first. >> sam, when we first started this interview with you, you showed us the barber spinning around his client. they were face-to-face checking out how the hair looked like. they are far from social

distancing. do they feel like the mask and gloves is enough protection? >> reporter: yeah. so the barbers do. i will point this out because this is an important distinction to make, alex. the employees at the shops have to wear masks. however, the customers do not. the guidance from the governor is ppe, when it's appropriate and available but not a mandate. they can ask customers to wear masks if they need them. the barbers are not necessarily protect from the patrons. we are seeing that in gyms and other areas as well. . >> 100%. i hope the barber has the right to say, hey, no mask, no haircut, pal. thank you, sam brock. we'll tell you about a problem in california. drivers feeling the need for speed. but "first look" at this.

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practitioners. because what we are dealing is really hard. that is a great message of hope from a front line medical worker caring for coronavirus patients. 900,000 cases confirmed in the u.s. 51,000 people have died. the coronavirus has caused boeing to push back its time frame to get the 737 max cleared for flight again. sources tells us it won't be until summer now. they need a recertification flight. it has been grounded since march of last year after two crashes that killed more than 300 people. president trump threatened to block funding for the u.s. postal service if it doesn't raise prices for online retailers. usps is looking into a $10 million loan to make up for the pandemic. he said it is the agency's fault

it is losing money. . >> the postal service is a joke. because they are handing out packages for amazon and other internet companies. every time they deliver a package they're losing money on it. >> the president later tweeted he will never let our post office fail and claims it has been mismanaged for years. this was panama city beach yesterday, crowds flocking there. nonetheless, you see the surfers there. the county reopened its coast fort first time in weeks. hours and activities are lowered. today is the third and final day of the nfl draft. there you see the commish. the in-person ceremony was canceled. last night the indianapolis colts, tampa bay buccaneers got their first picks. dozens of elite athletes still up for grabs today.

in the newspapers this morning, the "chicago tribune" has an eye on the coronavirus cases as the illinois governor extended stay-at-home orders another 30 days. and trump threatens to block aid to the postal service, as we told you. full fields,ing empty refrigerators, crops unharvested while lines grow longer at food banks. "new york times", reopenings in three states. plus the president's speech creates risk at west point. a change in brooklyn's funeral tradition bringing services to mourners in this era of social distancing. as we look at the front page of "the boston globe", orders to keep schools closed for the rest of the academic year leads to a juggling act for parents complicating any events to return to work. in the state of arkansas, they will begin partial reopening

next week with elective surgeries resuming on monday. it was one of five that never instituted a mandatory stay-at-home order even though it did close essential businesses. arkansas has seen over 2,700 confirmed cases. at least 45 deaths from the virus. many of those cases, by the way have been clustered in one state prison. even if restrictions were removed, 80% of americans will be unlikely to go back to public places. joining me now is the mayor of little rock, frank scott jr. mayor scott, good to see you, sir. let's get to what the governor said, that he is planning to gradually reopen as soon as next week. going to start on money with elective surgeries. little rock is most popular. what do you think? are you frd to open? >> good morning. thank you so much, alex, for this opportunity. little rock is doing all we can to protect lives here in the city of little rock. we will be cautious and allow testing to guide our efforts and

build upon what we are receiving from council from our covid-19 task force, which comprises many of the state's top health care experts. >> are okay. well, let's look at what the atlanta wrote. it wrote members wanted to shut down nonessential businesses right after the city's first confirmed case. your governor, governor asa, didn't allow it. they are scheduled to be reopened monday. talk about what's behind that. >> well, in addition to closing our city porbgs to contribute to the slow community spread, little rock had the first community spread in the state of arkansas. we took aggressive actions to ensure we had that spread closed by our curfews we instituted from 9:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. we were very creative in the early actions and aggressive actions to stop that community spread as we move forward.

what we are doing is doing all we can to protect lives, number one. while we are also balancing our economy. these are decisions we understand they are very aggressive here in the city of little rock. what we have right now is a modified shelter in place. >> may i ask you, mayor, the weather, are you having nice, beautiful weather? are you worried everybody will want to get out to the park this weekend? >> we are definitely having great weather the past two weekends. we have the concern we will have a number of people out. that was another reason we continued to close our parks. many people don't understand that it's very easy to transmit this particular virus. sometimes it is not necessarily if you're asymptomatic but it is your loved ones who are not. that creates this drastic spread. we will do whatever is possible to protect lives in the city of little rock. and we've got to think about the future. >> you have to think beyond just yourself, that's for sure. something extraordinary in a bad way, sir, the coronavirus is

dispro participation natalie affecting the african-american community. a quarter of all cases is affecting african-americans. however, 15% of the state of arkansas is made up of the african-american population. do you think more attention needs to be paid to that community? >> clearly there are health care disparities mainly because of diabetes, heart disease, and other issues that are plaguing the african-american community nationwide. so when you already have these type of diseases infected with one another, when you add on top the covid-19 it hurts the process to combat the immune system when you are fighting this virus. we have to understand we have to clearly get testing to under served community as well as our latin brothers and sisters. . >> southeast of little rock, 40% of the state's cases have been

located right there in that prison. that is very disturbing. the prospect of commuting sentences, what are your thoughts on that? . >> we are excited that governors and others are putting a collaborative mind-set on how we do anything to protect lives. the governor and the arkansas parole board recently issued parolees at least six months close to being out of their sentence, 1,244 of those will have early release. so we are excited to hear that. secondly, a lot of attention is being paid to our federal penitentiary. we are starting to see large numbers of those brothers and sisters that do have covid-19. we are putting in place to transport them to the city of little rock and do it in a safe and humane manner. it is always about the health care priority of humans and our brothers and sisters. . >> best of luck, sir, getting through all of this.

. >> thanks so much. reopening and country and how to make it happen while stopping covid-19. later, kamala harris talks to joy reid about president trump's handling of this crisis. that will be on "am joy" at 10:00 eastern. well, here's to first dates! you look amazing. and you look amazingly comfortable. when your v-neck looks more like a u-neck... that's when you know, it's half-washed.

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. >> it is a perfect storm. you have the wide open pavement. we have folks that are frustrated. they want to get out. they are tired of being cooped up. they might be more likely to take risks. >> in new york city, speeding tickets doubled. the driver of this $750,000 porsche out of control. and then incredibly trying to get away. california highway patrol. and warning troeufdrivers this the corona 500. drivers driving so fast the only thing clocked was the sound of him whizzing by. as you can see, this freeway is pretty empty. prime conditions for a pandemic speedst speedster. just over that way, california highway patrol poised to potentially ruin someone's day. one after the other, they are all pulled over for driving too fast.

the highest speed of the day, 132 miles per hour. >> a crash going 100 miles per hour could result in a fatality. >> reporter: this is serious? >> absolutely. >> reporter: officials tell me speeding is happening all over. not just on highways but residential areas as well. their big message, slow down. alex? . >> all i can say is having to learn driving on those streets, check out 134 and 210. i'm not there any longer, but i'm sure there are others who are. thank you so much. here's what's trending on coronavirus this morning. a one-time special episode of parks and regular raeugz to raise money for feeding america. . >> hi. it's amy poehler inviting you to a special parks and rec all shot from our homes. . >> it will follow her character leslie. that will air thursday on your

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as some states begin the process of lifting stay-at-home order restrictions, ethical questions surrounding reopening the economy in the midst of the deadly pandemic. the los angeles times reports when leaders press for restrictions aimed at the virus, they are taking a gamble for

people in their states, but millions nationwide. they include the likelihood of expanding the already catastrophic economic damage. joining me now is the professor at johns hopkins. professor, joining me is the los angeles headline. how much do you agree with that? >> i agree completely. we are all facing the fact there is such a difficult balance between what we know and have already seen. tremendous public health benefits of the shutdowns with the catastrophic impact for so many americans of the shutdown. >> can you find a way to ethically way to reopen schools and businesses right now in these pandemic times? >> so it is a great question. the key is doing it responsibly. rather than boy it is hard.

let's cross our fingers. it means to do the reopening gradually and priority for certain kinds of services that would be resumed. it also means looking at what's going on locally and making sure health care systems are not already overtaxed. if they are already overtaxed, it's not the right time. if they are down from that, it may be time to start thinking about it. there has to be capacity. including remember screening of people not symptomatic in places that are open. ideal ideally, commitments to people. if there is an incentive for people to not tell others they are sick, it will not work. >> i will talk about a friend of mine who lives in tokyo. she feels like her neighbors think she has a scarlet letter c

on her now. you have the issue of medical privacy and keeping your information private as we go forward. what are the challenges there? >> there are a lot of challenges. those are not new challenges. there have been instances for a very long time where employees have a medical history that's relevant to whether or not they can work. whether they are required to do is usually have a doctor demonstrate that they are not able to work rather than reveal to everyone at the workplace specifically what is going on. that's an essential consideration for people to return. >> can i ask when one decides who gets the treatment that might be more effective in the teams you have to experiments to some degree. we don't have proven treatments yet.

giving to some. not giving to others, ethically, how are those decisions made? >> the decisions obviously are really hard. what's great news is there are more and more actual research trials starting. there's a wide range of things people are trying. some of them are drugs that are already approved for other conditions which means legally they are allowed to be used off the shelf on trial. there are others that are new compounds. the truth is if something is miraculo miraculous, we will see that in a trial quickly and move to a regular use much more rapidly. if it turns out it has a partial impact, but not that great, the trial becomes particularly important to see for whom it makes a difference and what level. >> professor of public health at johns hopkins. professor nancy kass. thank you. thanks to all of you for watching msnbc.

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