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we have plenty to talk about. the u.s. has more than 934,000 cases of coronavirus. more than 53,000 people have died. that is part of a global death toll that just crossed an unsettling milestone. covid-19 is known to have killed over 200,000 people worldwide. we did not hear from the white house coronavirus task force today. it's the first time since easter sunday that president trump did not have a conference. what's the point of having a news conference when the lame stream media refuses to report the information correctly. not worth the time and effort. >> these briefings have been under increasing criticism.

he thought out loud about using uv light or disinfectant to kill the virus inside the human body. some states across the u.s. are taking small steps to reopen their economies. in georgia, hair salons, gyms, bowling alleys and spas were allowed to open. hairdressers in oklahoma can also get back to work. oklahoma's movie theaters and gyms can open on may 1st. no such luck in new york, this state remains on lockdown. andrew cuomo announced that all first responders and medical workers can get antibody tests. we begin at the white house on this day without a briefing that might have something to do with president trump's illogical comments on thursday. yesterday he claimed he was being sarcastic to provoke the press. today he changed his story again. he tweeted, was just informed

that the fake news from the thursday white house press conference had me speaking and asking questions of dr. deborah birx. wrong, i was speaking to our laboratory expert not debra about sunlight and coronavirus. the lame stream media is corrupt and sick. unquote. here is what he actually said. >> i would like you to speak to the medical doctors to see if there's anyway that you can apply light and heat to cure, you know. if you could, and maybe you could, maybe you can't. i'm not a doctor. i'm a person that has a good -- you know what. >> sorry -- >> debra, have you ever heard of that, the heat and the light relative to certain viruses, yes? but relative to this virus? >> that is a treatment --

certainly fever is a good thing when you have a fever, it helps your body respond. but not as -- i've not seen heat or light. >> i think it's a great thing to look at. >> those comments shocked a good many people, including some of the president's closest aids. that may be why last night's briefing was one of the shortest. updates on testing, but no questions to the president. let's discuss it with our panel. good to have all of you with us tonight. anita, let me start with you, let's play one more clip from that briefing thursday. >> i see the disinfectant where it knocks it out if a minute. one minute. and is there a way we can do something like that? by injection, inside or almost a cleaning? because you see it gets in the

lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. it would be interesting to check that. that you're going to have to use medical doctors. but it sounds interesting to me. >> this led lysol to release a statement saying not to drink or inject lysol. this is crazy, what is going on at the white house? >> there are some reports that the president got a study released -- information from a study that talked about sunlight and disinfectant how important they were, not to inject in the body. just as we all know, disinfecting on surfaces. the president often does, according to people that are choice to him, he often takes information and processes it as he talks about it. he often talks about things that are coming into his head.

you have seen federal agencies saying, don't do this, don't listen to that, and please consult your doctors. perhaps not calling out the president by name, but definitely talking about his comments. >> these obviously put the doctors surrounding president trump in an uncomfortable light. dr. fauci has not attended the briefing lately. here are some reports about the doctor's absence. though fauci regularly shares his infectious disease knowledge publicly, there's a preference that fauci do more of that behind closed doors, so it doesn't appear he's on such a different page from the president. if you haven't seen the look on dr. birx' face when she was making that comment, that also says a lot. how do you react to statements like this as a doctor. ? >> it certainly puts people like dr. fauci, who's been a colleague and friend for decades

in a tight spot, in a difficult position. at first i thought the comments from the president were so over the top that no one would take them seriously. but then we are hearing reports that poison control is hearing increases of bleach poisoning and that sort of thing. i'm pretty sure we'll be able to handle that. the bigger issue, the two issues that concerned me about that briefing were as follows. one, you had this report from the applied physics laboratory at john's hopkins talk about the impact of uv radiation sunlight on the virus and humidity. and that's also true of inning flewen saturday, but the point that they were trying to -- the subtext of that was, therefore, it may be okay to relax social distancing this summer, there's no evidence for that. i think the reason it sounded like they were putting that up there on the briefing, they wanted to use this as evidence

for seasonality of the virus. you can't make that link. even influenza is present all year round in the tropics, that was a concern, the other piece of this is the bigger picture, now we're opening up economies in multiple states, we don't have a framework in place for doing the contact tracing and the -- and adequate testing at places of employment and the syndromic testing as well, so this is going to be really important to put in place. if we're serious about opening up the country. ahead of schedule, when the institute for health metrics is telling us that we need to keep social distancing in place. >> just to be clear, with regard to heat, light and humidity. the report and also what they were saying in that briefing on thursday, had to do with coronavirus on nonporous surfaces, in terms of the conditions in which the virus does and does not have a longer half life. if the virus is in conditionings

of more than 70 degrees, more than 80% humidity, and direct sunlight, the half life drops from hours to minutes. that's the point of what that was, initially? >> right. the fact that it was presented in the way it did, gave the subtext that it's okay to open up the country in the summer months because of lower virus viability. and there's no evidence of that. >> speaking of opening up the country, this is turned in some ways i wish it wouldn't, coronavirus can affect anybody. there is a red state blue state aspect to this. with some states being portrayed as dealing with the outbreak a certain way. there's a thread in terms of the policies and politics around all this. where does that stand right now as you see it. >> i'm with you, joshua, it's regrettable to think that a

global pandemic has to be turned into a red state blue state issue, that's the world we live in, it's become something of a hot potato on the red state blue state scale as well. we've seen this phenomenon of several southern states defying what had been those federal guidelines that the president and dr. fauci, dr. birx laid out about ten days ago, about how states should go about safely deciding when to open up. what will they said was, the state should have at least 14 days of declining cases before going into cautious phase one. georgia which opened up on friday, does not fit that bill. they've had an increasing number of cases not a decreasing number. they're the state that's moving most aggressively to opening up right now. texas is likely to open up shortly, south carolina's opened up its beaches. you see a theme here, these are all southern states, all controlled by republican

governors. you recall in the early days of this pandemic, when president trump was downplaying it and saying it wasn't going to get here from china, or it was going to be easily contained by a few cases. fox news and other conservative media were amplifying that point, and probably led many people in some of these states to believe that it wasn't that big of a threat, and now what they want to do is get out from under these structures. everybody wants to. we're all tired of being in our homes, and we want to get moving, and we want to see the country come back to the economy that we knew before. frankly, it's not going to be possible unless it's done very systematically, and strategically. that's why this fear of this open up in georgia is such a concern. we're going to see how things fair down there. >> everyone, thanks very much for making time for us. as we mentioned, georgia is beginning to reopen businesses. that's under a plan that's drawn

criticism for brian kemp. georgia has more than 22,000 confirmed coronavirus cases and just offer 900 known deaths. bowling alleys, salons and tattoo parlors are able to open. many of the mayors are cautioning residents to stay home. those include kelly goertz the mayor of athens, georgia. >> thank you for having me on. >> whether you're looking at a think tank like the american enterprise institute or research facility like john's hopkins, they noted you have to have at least two weeks in consistent downward trajectory of new cases and we haven't been there. the testing apparatus in georgia really needs to be at least for times where it is now, or make sure we can do the testing necessary. that's not even to mention the

contact tracing that would have to be ramped up from nothing to an enormous operation. >> i take the governor at his word that he cares about small businesses what he's laid out isn't the right way to support small businesses. >> how issagens doing right now? >> we've done well. we were the first community in the state to issue a shelter in place order. we very early on had conversations with our public at large to let them know this was a time when for your own health and the health of your neighbors and loved ones, you need to be conscious. and we've been great, we in athens proper, have seen the rate slow while many other communities around the state, all county, gainesville, georgia macon, some of the mountain communities that are small, have overtaken us in number of cases. one of the enduring lessons of this crisis is that we are all

in this together. we all share the same supply chain. we all go to the same hubs like athens for health care, while we're a community of just 130,000. we serve about 750,000. we have to be always conscious of our neighbors not just those who are literally next door, but those who may be a half hour or 45 minute drive away. >> i'm sure there are folks in athens who desperately need income right now. how do you fill the gap for them until you deem it safe for them to get back to work? >> i've been strongly encouraging our state and federal partners to take that component of aid seriously. we've been doing that locally, we committed more than $3 million to aid for small businesses, for nonprofit partners, for indigent and sheltered person care.

we're doing everything we possibly can. partnering with local nonprofits, local chamber of commerce. we've been availing the public of every resource we have to offer. you simply don't have everything there is to offer compared to the state feds, with the connoisseco consortia, i've been urging other governors and the trump administration to do whatever possible. states and localities are going to need some funding as well. >> do you feel you're being heard. what is the communication between governor kemp's office and athens city hall. >> they are responsive when i reach out to them. i thank them for that. they haven't put a structured plan in place that let's everybody know, here are the metrics we're going to meet before we open up again. here are the things we're going

to be looking at for phase one, phase two, phase three. frankly, the opportunity for bowling alleys and hair salons and massage therapists to open back up, would have been phase three or four, not phase one. so we just need a rational guide to reopening. you don't have to look far in the southeast. you can look to your neighbor of nashville, tennessee. who's put together that structured plan, that's what everybody in georgia needs is to know. here are the numbers we're going to be looking at. and here's the associated step. then here's the next set of numbers and here's that next associated step, but we don't have that kind of structured communication coming out of the governor's office. >> mayor kelly goertz of athens, georgia. thanks for making time for us. >> thank you so much. up next, the search for a running mate. joe biden contemplates who may

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joe biden just marked the anniversary of his presidential campaign's launch. he spent it in part with a full throated critique of president trump. the apparent democratic nominee went after the president's handling of coronavirus. he wants a stimulus bill that is

a hell of a lot bigger than $2 trillion. mr. biden has more pressing concerns, choosing a running mate. one person considered a potential choice spoke with joy reid this morning. >> i am not aware if i'm being vetted. but again, i have to tell you, joy. i'm focused on what we're doing right now with this coronavirus. i'm honored to be considered if i'm being considered. and there you go. >> senator kamala harris is on a lot of short lists there is another figure that excites the democratic base even more. michelle obama. he joins us now to discuss it. good evening. >> why michelle obama? >> why note? think about the magic of obama/biden ticket but in reverse. biden/obama ticket. when i mentioned this to the chair woman of the michigan democratic party just offhanded in the discussion, i think the

words out of her mouth were, oh, my gosh. that's the reaction you hear from democrats. she's sort of a transformational figure, she's above regular politics. i think the ugov or economist had done a global survey and found that she was the most popular woman in the world. if she decided to be joe biden's running mate, which she and all of her allies insist she doesn't want to be, she doesn't want to run for any office. she would be kind of head and shoulders above any other candidate and perhaps even head and shoulders above the top candidate. >> there's that. but based on what she has said before, it feels like ping your hopes to michelle obama on the ticket is like saying, you ain't gonna date no one who's name ain't beyonce. this is not happening. what does that tell you about the democratic party now. >> there are concerns that many

people have about joe biden. you've seen them discuss if you're on twitter, social media. he is 77, he's been locked away in his basement. he hasn't been hitting the campaign trail. michelle obama could do that. that's not to pay short shrift to any of the other candidates. you just had that clip on from kamala harris. there's probably the most buzz about her as a candidate. it's a black box as to what joe biden's going to do. he has a short list of 12 to 15 candidates. beyond having to be ready on day one, of course you're going to paying a candidate like that. he wants someone he's sympatico with, who that's going to be who knows? you're seeing a revisiting of this debate, this discussion you've heard since 2016, a little bit before, how much does the democratic party really want

to go toward courting the white working class, less educated, better said, no college degree white working class versus the more ascended obama coalition. and you sort of see a unique division in the list of potential candidates of joe biden's that sort of divide along those lines. that's the short hand but really the debate you're going to see in the broader political context or broader political scope. >> even within that conversation about the race of the running mate, there's a strong argument that a woman of color, whoever it is, needs to be joe biden's running mate. kamala harris, stacey abrams. val demmings. why not elevate a new face to the national stage. kind 6 like what democrats did

with barack obama. it paid off before. why don't democrats seem jazzed about doing it again? at least now? >> i think a lot of democrats are, and at least when it comes to having a woman of color on the ticket, the -- perhaps the one politician, the one congressman who could lay claim to resurrecting joe biden's campaign lazarus style is james clyburn. he endorsed biden. clyburn said he would like to see a woman of color. and so did john lewis. you are seeing a pretty strong push for that, i think the smart money is on a woman of color, but i don't always trust where the smart money is going to be placed. >> before people send me angry tweets, i have nothing against michelle obama, i love michelle obama. these are just questions, don't

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this weekend a hand full of states are letting some businesses reopen. texas is among them. right now it has more than 24,000 confirmed cases and 700 deaths. the state's stay at home order is set to lapse this thursday. today is day two of governor abbott's executive order, known as retail to go. it lets certain stores do business curbside. he could make another announcement monday regarding more businesses that could

reopen. priscilla thompson is in texas right now. do we have any idea what he may have in mind? >> the governor has been teasing that upcoming announcement for the past few days, he signaled there could be massive reopenings. anything from restaurants to movie theaters, and even churches. he's also been sure to emphasize that he's going to be looking at this on a county by county basis. this isn't going to be a one size fits all second phase of reopening. more than a week ago, he announced his first executive order which was going to allow for those elective surgeries to resume. and also for that retail to go option. this was the first weekend that that was actually in place. and i spoke to the business owner here who told me that while she's thankful for the retail to go option, it's not going to be enough on its own. >> it takes a tremendous amount

of cashflow to support a business on this street. i don't think it will -- it cannot be enough. if that's how it continues, we will see the loss of stores, because you have to be able to be open to the public. >>. >> i want to point out the business owner you just heard from did apply for the paycheck protection program. her application has been stuck in processing, that program ran out of money this past week she's hoping with the second injection of cash into that program, she may be able to get relief. she tells me she's going to be watching governor abbott's comments very closely this upcoming week. >> you know how many counties are in texas? 254. thanks very much, that's priscilla thompson in houston. in the early days of this outbreak, we focused on urban areas.

places that were hit hard. now the virus is a nationwide problem, including in rural areas that overwhelmingly voted for donald trump in 2016. according to a brookings institution analysis, the pandemic's rapid growth in this country is outside the big cities and that growth is happening faster than it did in more populous states. that kind of makes sense, it's easier for this contagion to spread in places with big dense populations, rural residents tend to be older and there's generally less access to hospitals. that means coronavirus is not just a problem in the so-called blue states. reed, good evening. i'm seeing all these report irs i know. why do rural areas have

infection rates growing faster than the urban areas? >> this is something we see common with viruses like the flu, they tend to land in big cities with hub airports. and then they spread in those big cities that are less connected to rural areas than they are themselves to each other. there are connections between every community in america, eventually the virus will spread from a big city to a smaller rural area. they've been locked down just as much as we have, in big cities like washington, d.c., where i'm sitting, but they haven't seen as many cases, now, that concerns a lot of epidemiologists who think that because of that, people are going to be more antsy to get out and maybe disobey some of the stay at home orders that are still in place. and because they haven't seen the cases that we've seen in the big cities, they may be con

fensed it's not as big of a threat as people in urban america have come to believe it is. there haven't been the cases, so when they do show up the demographics suggest rural americans are going to be more at risk than people in urban areas. they're older, and there's less access to health care. that's a strike 1, strike 2, strike 3 gore a recipe for disaster. >> we talked about the political impact of these states being states that voted for donald trump in 2016. you wrote a piece recently that talked about the financial abyss that many states are faces. and they were already facing budget problems before. if you talk about pension liabilities, we could do an hour on that. we know about the spread. that bill will come due no matter what. what about arguments like mitch mcconnell arguing that this is just blue states asking for bailouts. the facts don't really seem to bear that out.

>> those high tax blue states like california, like new york, washington state, new jersey, connecticut, they give a lot more money to the federal government than they get back in terms of their tax revenues, it is the smaller states, the mississippi kentucky, mitch mcconnell's home state that take a lot more back from the federal government than they contribute in tech revenues alone. mcconnell is making the argument this is a bailout for blue states. it's going to be a bailout for every state that's necessary. we're looking at some of these numbers, the earliest projections are showing budget holes in the next couple years that will dwarf what happened in the recession. the fact is, these states are in real fibl trouble, the economy, the shutdown economies are not going to be able to come back at

a fast enough pace to saving them. we're talking of years of steep deficits and big budget cuts. every state official that i talked to, republican, democrat, all in between they all say they need this money from federal government or we're going to have a cut in services when services are most in demand. >> reed wilson of the hill, thanks very much. >> good to see you again. >> coming up, the search for a scapegoat. president trump has blamed the global organization for letting this pandemic run wild. what impact does that have. and how well is the rest of the world fighting covid-19, that's ahead, stay close. i can save you... lots of money with liberty mutual! we customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need!

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organization. nicholas christof writes, the w.h.o. is just the latest target in the president's search for a scapegoat. >> you have described the w.h.o. as bureaucratic and frustrating, while at the same time inagainstible. why is that? >> because you need some international actor to coordinate effortses, not only against the coronavirus, but also against female genital mutilation, against polio, against ebola, and that's what the w.h.o. does, so by all means, i think it's fair to criticize w.h.o. for being too close to dictators, for being too bureaucratic. but in the middle of a pandemic, to try to zee fund it. in the middle of a raging fire to say, the fire department needs new trucks, let's take

away their old trucks. it's completely crazy and not driven by any real factors, but by president trump's annoyance at being criticized himself. >> is there anything you could see the w.h.o. being blamed for. >> their technical people were actually pretty good, they put out their first tweet about the pandemic on january 4th. which is pretty early. on january 14th, they put out an unfortunate statement suggesting there was not community transmission, not person to person transmission, which was clearly a mistake. but by late january, they declared this was a health emergency, and dr. ted gross, the leader of it began to argue and increasingly firm terms this is a health emergency. that all countries should act more forcefully toward.

so president trump should have been listening to w.h.o. rather than trying to denounce them or turning them into a scapegoat. >> thousands of americans would still be alive if the president had listened to the w.h.o.? is there something in particular he missed or ignored? >> in late january when w.h.o. declared this an emergency. by that time, they had also developed an effective test that is being used in scores of countries. if at that time, president trump and the trump administration had decided to make sure everybody is tested, if they had warned everybody about the need to address this seriously, then indeed that would have been the beginning of an aggressive response. closer to what south korea did. >> president trump spent most of

february saying that -- basically, trying to talk up the stock market, saying we only had 15 cases, going down to zero, this is going to go away in the summer. and the tone from w.h.o. was much firmer. i do think that one miscalculation the w.h.o. did was criticized president trump's limit on flights from china. in retrospect i think that was a sound policy choice to try to restrict flights. it's unclear how effective it was, but i think it was worth doing. and w.h.o. is wrong to criticize it. >> i'm guessing the international community doesn't actually care what donald trump thinks of the w.h.o.? >> is there more at stake than just losing u.s. funding? he's not convincing other countries to turn on the world health organization, is he? >> no, and indeed other countries are stepping up to try to replace some of that funding.

china has stepped up, germany, you really do need global leadership to address global health threats. historically the u.s. has played that role, both republicans and democrats. george w. bush was central to the fight against aids. he saved 17 million lives through his anti-aids program. president obama was central to the effort against ebola in west africa. on this occasion, nobody is really filling that role. president trump is awol, he's not filling that global role. w.h.o. is the closest there is to providing this global coordination. when president trump denounces it and defunds it, he in a sense is undermining the only real coordinating force that there is to try to address this pandemic that we are in the middle of and is killing thousands and

thousands of people. >> you wrote another op ed warning africa could be the next major hotspot for covid-19. they have major gaps in public health, including access to clean water. you're looking ahead to what could come after coronavirus. what are you looking at in terms of what the next pan dwemic might be? >> so i think that a lot of commentators may exaggerate the purely medical effect of the coronavirus on poorer countries. largely because poorer countries tend to have youthful populations. only 2% over the age of 65. where the biggest threat is, the indirect threats on coronavirus. on hunger, in particular. the average bangladeshian has seen incomes fall 75%. vitamin a distribution. polio vaccinations have been suspended. i'm deeply worried about the health consequences and

especially the nutritional consequences. already there are 5 million children a year who die before the age of 5. and -- many of them from malnutrition. i deeply fear that one consequence of this is going to be a lot more kids going hungry and dying as a consequence. >> nicholas christof of the new york times, thanks for talking with us. >> good to be with you. before we go, immigration and the outbreak. president trump signed a strict order to stop immigration. why now? ion. why now? you always drive this slow? how did you make someone i love? that must be why you're always so late. i do not speed. and that's saving me cash with drivewise. [mayhem] you always drive like an old lady? [tina] you're an old lady. you get way more than free shipping. you get thousands when you shop for your home at wayfair of items you need to your door fast the way it works best for you. even the big stuff.

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it can be very difficult to become a u.s. citizen. on wednesday, that lengthy process got a lot longer for many people. president trump issued an executive order barring certain cat kbo categories of immigrants from entering u.s. for 60 days. according to the warn wash po"t

post," there is a broader plan at work. based on after the signing, between trump surrogates and stephen miller, the senior policy advisor focused on immigration. in that call, miller reportedly said, quote, the most important thing is to turn off the faucet of new immigrant labor. when you suspend the entry from a new immigrant abroad, because of the chains of follow-on migration that are disrupted. end quote. let's discuss it with the founder of futuro media. maria, good evening. >> good evening. good evening. how are you? >> i'm well. thank you. what do you make of these comments? i mean, it's no secret that stephen miller favors a very highly-restrictive immigration policy, right? >> i don't think anybody should be surprised about that at all. are you able to hear me? >> i am. i am. go ahead. >> okay. i don't think anybody should be surprised about that. in fact, part of what happened is that, you know, donald trump puts out this tweet that says

he's going to do an executive order that's going to limit all immigration. and, basically, media kind of falls for it. that's exactly the kind of red meat that his base wants to see right now. right? i mean, donald trump is not doing such a great job in terms of this pandemic. he throws out red meat. says he's going to halt all immigration. joshua, exactly who do we understand is keeping the united states up and running right now? i mean, everybody knows that it is the migrant workers. it is, here, in new york city, the people who are delivering food. so everybody understands exactly who it is that is keeping this country running. this notion that he is going to halt immigration now to solve -- i'm just, like, i keep thinking are you saying that all of these people are going to start taking jobs at the poultry-processing plants? i don't see it. so, yes, it is a much bigger message here.

sadly, stephen miller's message is not a new one. and you know what's really sad about this, joshua, is that if stephen miller's own family had waited just a few years, they would not have been allowed and they were escaping in belarus. they would not have been allowed to come into the united states because -- so i'm hoping he understands the bigger connections. but i think his close the borders down mentality has taken over. shouldn't be a surprise. >> what's the real-world impact of this executive order? given that immigration is basically kind of already shut down by this outbreak. is this more politics? or does this policy have some real teeth? >> you know, i just got back from being on the border, myself, jason -- i'm sorry, joshua. and the desperation is real. part of what i'm reporting on is the fact that the united states

and mexico have basically created a situation that is so inhuman right now where, for example, kidnapping is a kind of tacet part of the policy. if you're waiting in mexico to be accepted as a refugee, into the united states, while you're waiti waiting in mexico, on the border, there's a very strong chance that you're going to be kidnapped. the governments know this and allow it. the desperation is real. so -- and by the way, the borders are closed right now. you know, immigration into the united states has basically come to a zero anyway. the mexican economy has actually been growing while the united states' has been stagnant. remember, also, that this virus did not travel south to north but, rather, north to south. but the real impact is more desperation and people have an image that's been created by this administration that these are criminals and gang members and traffickers. no. these are refugees that are desperate, and have believed the

message that the united states has given. which is that we are a country that accepts immigrants. the tired, the poor. that is what this country says it is. but these are not -- this image of them being criminals, sadly, has made the borders into a place of such desperation. but people are stuck. stuck, stuck, stuck in desperation. >> maria of futuro media. maria, always good to talk to you. thanks very much. >> good night. thank you. >> and thank you for making time for us here on msnbc. i will see you back here tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern/noon pacific. but, until we meet again, i'm jo joshua johnson. stay safe and stay sharp. we will get through this. good night. sharp we will get through this good night motor? nope. not motor?

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