hello, everyone. for most of you, we're at the start of another week of stay at home orders put in place to stop the spread of coronavirus. doctors and politicians warn the nation is not out of the woods just yet. another 2300 people have died from the virus this weekend bringing the total to more than 53,000 nationwide. but officials say there are signs that the pandemic flatteneded and now leaders are faced with the difficult decision of when and how to reopen their states. four states are already partially opened with some restrictions staying in place. another 15 are scheduled to join them by the end of the week. but governors of some of the hardest hit states say their restrictions are staying in place. >> we have to have robust testing. we have to have community tracing. we've got to have a plan for isolation for people that do get tested positive for covid-19 in the future. >> we're still a number of weeks

away. the fatalities continue to be significant each and every day. >> we're watching certain metrics and looking at a pattern of numbers before we make any decisions. everything is going to be based on the numbers and the science. we're not going to do anything that's going to put anybody in more danger. >> on many of these things, i'm not really comfortable getting too far ahead of ourselves. >> there are also signs that after seven weeks of lockdowns, many americans are getting restless. in california, hundreds of people flocked to the beaches despite stay at home orders. and some business owners in texas are defying orders, restaurant and salon owners are claiming they're essential and can't stay closed any longer. in texas, governor greg abbott will announce tomorrow whether he will extend stay at home orders in his state. joining me now is nbc's presilla thomas in houston, texas. you spoke to a local business owner, some owners who hope to reopen soon. what are they telling you?

>> well, if the governor lifts that order, business could be bustling here by this time next week. and that's exactly what business owners are preparing for. they tell me that safety is going to be the key. in order for customers to feel comfortable, to come in. the we actually got a look at a salon which is going to be one of the most challenging places to sort of outfit for this type of distancing. and so some of the things they're going to be doing is taking temperatures of customers as they walk in the door. they've installed plastic shields at the front desk. and the nail stations. and another thing is a lot of the community items are now gone:so there are no more community magazines. even if a customer wants to buy a salon product that, style sift going to have to get that product for them and will actually disinfect it and put it in a bag to give them as they take it home. i actually spoke to the salon owner about some of the unique challenges. take a listen to what she told me. >> the best thing question really do is separate one chair between each so that will

actually give us almost ten feet apart. but in order to do hair, you have going to be in close proximity. i feel like the shields give that extra layer of protection. >> i do want to point out that salon owner tells me she did receive relief from the ppp and able to keep all the stylists on. and thus implement the safety measures. as we know, there are some business owners that didn't get that relief. and so it remains to be seen what level of measures we're going to see across the state and across the country in terms of those safety measures being put into place. >> what are you hearing about what we can expect to hear from governor abbott tomorrow? >> so governor abbott has spent the past few days sort of teasing that announcement. he said that there could be massive reopenings of business, mentioning everything from restaurants and movie theaters to salons. and even churches. but one thing he is emphasizing is he is going to be looking at this if a county by county basis. as you know, texas is very large

with more than 250 counties. and while some counties don't have any cases, you see hot spots in other areas like houston and dallas. so something he's going to be looking at very closely. and one thing he mentioned when he announced the first phase of reopenings is that the testing needs to increase here in texas. he wanted to see daily increases and by the end of the month and early may he is expects to see more increases in testing for all of this to work. alicia? >> all right. thank you so much. five hours north of houston in dallas the mayor there has decided to extend lockdown orders until may 15th despite the governor easing restrictions across the state. with me now is the dallas mayor eric johnson. mayor, thank you so much for joining us. tell me how you made this decision to extend lockdown orders. >> thank you for having me. what we've decided to do is to follow the lead of our county which is our local health authority in dallas. dallas is one city in texas

where health is handled at the county level, no the at the city level. we did need to extend our state of disaster to match the state so we get to minimize confusion among folks who live in our city and so what we're trying to do here is prioritize public health and balance that with the need to get our economy back open again. so we're in a situation now where we're trying to figure out how to move forward with reopening our economy quickly as possible and safely as possible. >> and what are you hearing from your constituents and from business owners about when -- what they're concerned about and when they want to see the economy reopen? >> well, i think most people that i talked to have very similar concern. we're all concerned about the economic impact. i'm a mayor of a city that just two months ago was one of the fastest growing economies in in the united states. bustling economy. we were planning for, you know, bunch of job growth and

relocations and it was all great news. and now i'm trying to figure out how to close a $25 million budget short fall in my current fiscal year and possibly a budget short fall in the next. most people i talk to are concerned about the economic impact that we're suffering here locally. but we're also concerned about health. that's our primary concern. so we don't want to rush back so quickly and not do it intelligently and make all these sacrifices that we made all for nothing. so that is the situation we're in right now. figuring out how to reopen our economy intelligently and putting public health first. >> when you talk about budget short falls in a city as big as dallas and then you hear mitch mcconnell talking about the fact that any future stimulus package will not include aid to local and state governments, what does that mean for you as a mayor? >> it means not good things in terms of we want to be able to

use federal money that we receive as flexbly as other governmental entities receiving funds. we want to be able to use them to plug holes in our budget so we don't have to lay off city workers who are providing essential services. we want to be able to continue to pay our police officers and our firefighters and our paramedics. the people that deliver our front line services in this city need to continue to be able to do so. we want that money to be spent flexbly and not reimburse for direct coronavirus expenditures. we need to plug serious holes in our budget. our chief financial officers told us at least $25 million of the current fiscal year and minimum of $75 million in the next. we need to be able to use federal dollars to be able to plug the holes. >> all right. mayor johnson, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you so much for having me. now to the west coast where underserved and poor communities are still being hit hard by the

coronavirus. nbc's steve patterson is live in los angeles. steve, why are these areas at such increased risk? >> you know, i think one of the biggest reasons you'll hear is that these communities are disproportionately affected and impacted already from underlying health conditions that make covid-19 worse, things like diabetes, heart disease, and asthma. i think what gets less reported on are some of the systemic factors that lead to the communities to be vulnerable in the first place, racial issues, housing issues, socioeconomic and environmental issues. despite all that, we spoke to people in the community, one woman in particular who survived cancer then survived covid-19 and thought waits so important to talk to us that she wanted to present her message of hope for people that are dealing with. this listen to this. >> as the coronavirus pandemic spreads to every corner of the u.s., these are especially dark days for communities of color. covid-19 is a killer, most

dangerous to people with underlying conditions like this woman who beat uterine cancer ten years ago. >> i actually didn't find out i was positive until i came out of the coma. >> she spent ten days on a ventilator but survived. >> if you get the diagnosis, you can beat it. it is it beatable. despite the fact you may be black or have pre-existing conditions. >> african-american and hispanic communities are been hit hard by the virus because hot spots like new york, chicago, and new orleans have outsized minority populations. >> it isn't genetic. that is nonsense to say it's genetic. >> reporter: anthony fauci joined a radio show to explain the particular danger to listeners. >> african-americans had ve a higher degree of hypertension, obesity, asthma, all of those kinds of things that are preconditions that if you do get infected, you wind up having the

worst outcome. >> reporter: the threat spread to the most remote areas like t the navajo nation which has seen 1200 cases, the third highest infection rate of any state. >> one family member contracts or is exposed to the virus, they have the potential of exposing most if not all of their family to it because of their close family structure. >> reporter: roughly 50 people died here and with the elderly at elevated risk, an entire culture is at stake. >> our traditions are going to be lost because of covid-19 because those are the keepers of the stories, the keepers of our histories and our cultural practice practices are held within the holder populations. >> reporter: a pandemic that knows no race or color or class, yet threatens all of them. >> so now going through this for so long we know one of the biggest mitigating factors of covid-19 is being able to

effectively test for it. we've heard of communities of color having, you know, food deserts and education deserts. there is also vast testing deserts that many states are finding as well. the state of california, the health department says one of the first thing thez want to fix is providing dozens more testing sites in these testing deserts in order for people to get the proper information they need to fight this. the but again, you cannot battle systemic issues with triage. hopefully we can move this forward. >> indeed. steve, thanks so much for that great reporting. now fresh reporting to day about embattleded hhs secretary alex azar. his job is in trouble. the white house is searching for a replacement. nbc's monica alba is live at the white house. what can you tell us. >> yeah, for weeks now there have been suggestions that the president might be irritated with his hhs secretary and it's been clear to us at least that

he hasn't been as public facing as other members of the coronavirus task force. secretary azar hasn't been in one of those briefings since april 3rd. more than three weeks ago. and the president has expressed that he does still have confidence in him and the white house is denying that his job is on the line. but there are sources reporting, telling the wall street journal and p"politico" that decisions are underway and replacements are referenced. i want to read what the white house said. they're known to get out in front of the things before there are immediate changes. we heard from deputy press secretary who says the department of health and human services under the leadership of secretary azar continues to lead on a number of the president's priorities. any speculation about personnel is irresponsible and a distraction from our whole of government response to the coronavirus pandemic. we should make clear that the white house many times has issued these kinds of statement

ands say cabinet officials jobs are safe then had in the coming days and weeks the president decides to change his mind and with the stroke of a tweet can end someone's career. we're not at that point yet for secretary azar. there are discussions underway about his involvement in the early time line of the pandemic response. what he knew and when he warned the president, that has gotten a lot of attention and there continue to be questions also about how he may have handled the out off the ouster of a vaccine expert and what secretary azar was able to communicate about that to the president and the vice president. so we'll see whether he continues in that role in the coming weeks. alicia? >> monica, notable that yesterday there was not a task force briefing with the president. nothing on the schedule as of this moment today. what can we expect in the coming days of these briefings? >> if this weekend is any indication and as you mention nod briefing on the schedule yet

for today, there isn't even a coronavirus task force meeting that is usually what would precede the briefings on today's schedule. so without either of those this weekend and a very shortened briefing on friday where the president and vice president didn't take any questions, this fits into a larger decision making process that is clearly underway at the white house about how to use these daily briefings. the president has spent hours and hours behind that podium dee defending the response and offering medical advice and going into completely different topics and areas. aides and allies urged him to reconsider spending so much time doing that because, of course, it could politically backfire as he looks ahead to re-election. so do they come back this week? do they end up being a daily recurrence like we've seen over the last two months? that is unclear. the president last night signalled in a tweet that it may not be in his words "worth the time and effort" but worth noting, of course, the briefings have actually been more than 60 hours from himself and other coronavirus task force members

in recent weeks. clearly they denoted not just a lot of time but a lot of resources to them, alicia. >> absolutely. all right. monica, thank you so much. up next, several multimillion dollar businesses have been shamed into giving back money from the first round of the small business loans. so what's being done to make sure the second round of funding ends up in the right hands? plus, we'll talk about the new immigration ban from the trump administration. the white house says it's temporary. we'll explain why it may last past the 60-day shelf life. past the 60-day shelf life

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under two weeks. large chain restaurants receiving million dollar loans while other small businesses got nothing. however, a number of those restaurants are now returning the funds after intense public backlash, ruth's chris, sweetgreen and kura sushi said they would return the loans. will this coupled with the billions in federal aid make it to the small businesses that need it most? with me now is michael chodos, the former deputy counsel for the small business administration under president obama. thank you for joining us. under the new guidelines, there are going to be requirement that's the businesses have to show can't tap other sources of money of funding. is that going to stop some of the problems? >> thank you very much for the opportunity to talk you to. i think the answer to that is, yes. essentially what happened is that when the first -- when the program first came out, there was very little guidance.

about whether or not larger companies could apply so long as they had less than 500 employees per location. what ended up happening is that some very, very large companies ended up applying and getting the loans. they issued guidance saying to them if, you have access to other forms of capital out there in the public markets, you really should not be getting a loan under the ppp program. what happened is about 40% of the money went to applicants who the go loans of a million dollars or more. so all of the small businesses, many of whom are looking for loans of $25,000, $50,000 under $100,000 were not sophisticated enough to get in line, get through the line and get the loan done. that's the first things that going to help is making sure the

lar largest businesses stop themselves before they make complications for the second round. >> michael, i'm going to jump in here. this is joshua johnson. alicia's line is having trouble. i'm going to pick up until she comes back. so hopefully she'll be back in just a second. i heard what you were saying in terms of where the money needs to go now. do you think that enough has been done in congress already to make that happen or are you optimistic about that? >> i'm more optimistic than i was the last time. let me explain why. there's a fundamental feature of this entire c.a.r.e.s. act and ppp program that while i think probably well encontinuationed in order to get the money out the door has proven to be a real issue. and that's the basic idea that it's first come first serve. so if you have a stampede for 300 or $350 billion in real life, the businesses that are most sophisticated or that have the best vuzors are the twhaunz are going to get to the front of the line. and the small laundromats and nail salons and others are

confuseded by the process and are going to find it difficult to get through the process and are going to have trouble accessing the loans. so congress did one very important thing with this next round. they required that $60 billion out of that new round of money so out of the new $310 billion be distributed through community or smaller banks. and it was a surprise but a wonderful surprise that true superstars of the first round were community banks who did a great job standing up their programs and getting at least a significant chunk of that first round of money into local communities. >> big companies should avoid government scrutiny if they return that money by may 7th. what about that? are there actually any consequences if they don't? is there other -- are interest any teeth behind that request? >> so the sba has now issued an

official rule saying that there's this requirement in the ppp program which says that you're only entitled to get a loan if you can truthfully certify that the loan is necessary to support your on going operations f you're really large or a publicly backed company or have an enormous amount of other resource who's are access to resources, then pro you probably can't say that it's necessary to take that loan in order to support the on going operations. so the sba has said they're going to create basically an amnesty period until may 7th and anyone who is very large or had access to very substantial resources will have until then to give the money back, no harm, no foul. but after that, because the sba has now issued official regulations making this clear, that has the force of law and anyone who is very large who applies for a loan out of this next round and takes the money,

sure the sba said you're going to need to be able to demonstrate that it actually was necessary and if not the consequences are severe. >> that's michael chotos, former deputy counsel for the sba under president obama. michael, thanks for talking with us. >> thank you very much. >> medical experts say getting back to business means a lot more than testing. how close are we to getting the testing we need? we'll talk to a doctor about that next. and some of america's colleges are in big financial trouble because of the pandemic. we'll tell what you is being done to help them and their students just ahead on msnbc live. msnbc live ♪ limu emu & doug [ siren ] give me your hand! i can save you...

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protests erupt in germany. hundreds of people poured into the streets in berlin this weekend. they violated lockdown measures and call for a reopening of the country. germany kept the coronavirus death toll low compared to nearby countries thanks to widespread testing. p that's needed before reopening. nbc's richard engel looks into

how the testing program has been so successful. >> reporter: here in the uk, as is happening now all across europe, plans are starting to be rolled out or at the very least discussed on how to reopen the economy, how to relax some of the restrictions, how to get people back to work and out of their houses. but it is only come after extensive testing, social distancing, quarantines, and now i think we have enough perspective, enough time has passed and we can get a sense of which countries succeeded in fixing this problem, containing the problem at the very least, and which countries failed. and unfortunately, when you look at who did a good job and who did a bab jd job and passable j the united states at least on a federal level has not so far had a very good success rate. germany on the other hand, is being hailed as an example. and they struck on a few things and they reacted early and

ultimately i think will go down in history as having handled this among the best nations in the world. germany with a large population a quarter of the u.s. found a three part formula to choke off the virus. it's not very complicated. honesty, testing, isolating the sick. while president trump down played the virus as just a nasty cold in the early weeks -- >> it's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. >> reporter: chancellor angela merkel took the opposite approach, leveling with germans in march that 70% of them could become infect ford a while. in early march i visited a lab in germany, a company called kyogen was making testing machines. >> this tells you if they have it or if they don't and what they probably do have, that they really v. >> it will tell you that in just one hour.

>> there were hundreds of these testing machines in the united states already at the time. they didn't get approval from the fda to turn them on until nearly a month after my visit. there really isn't a magic formula to containing the coronavirus. . some countries have done it successfully. germany, south korea, several others. the united states so far has not been able to do it and the results, i think we see in this statistics that are still coming out every single day. and the formula is relatively simple. it's not rocket science. it is be honest, test and isolate the sick and vulnerable. those who can do it win. those who struggle to do it and vacillate and do it with lots of theater continue to be stuck in the virus quagmire. >> that is nbc's richard engel reporting. here in the u.s., testing remains a problem. dr. anthony fauci said last night that production of tests should accelerate over the next few weeks. >> right now, you know, we're

doing about 1.5 to 2 million a week. we should get past that. i think we will. testing is an important part of what we're doing. but it's not the only part. >> let's discuss that with dr. peter hotez, dean of the national school of tropical medicine at the baylor college of medicine. doctor, what is your reaction to anthony fauci's comments on testing, particularly the part where he kind of said it's important but not the only thing? >> yeah, well, thanks for having me back. he is right. s is it's not the only part but a critical component. what this really means is now that we're starting to relax social distancing, opening up the economy, prem sloweople are going to start be going back to work, the key is at the workplace having the ability to do significant levels of testing. you want to know if your colleague in the next cubicle or same office or workplace may have asymptomatic infection.

thp means testing is going to be number one. number two, though, is going to be making certain that you have a small army of people that can do what is called the contact tracing that, is if someone is to be positive they can go to all the individuals dhekt with on a regular basis and the contacts of the contacts and test those individuals as well and get them into quarantine or isolation depending on if they're infected. that is very labor intensive. and then the third part is you need what i call a system of surveillance which is usually an app based system so we can detect pockets of fever anticipate sickness in that city. it takes a lot of infrastructure. i think most city planners are caught off guard. they're not really ready. many of the city and county health planners i've been talking to say hey, we don't have that in place. we're not getting guidance from the cdc on how to do that. the so that's what worries me is that we open things up in the next few weeks but then we relapse that, we go back to

having significant numbers of infected individuals over the summer and into the fall. and that's going to be very destabilizing. >> with regards to building that infrastructure, it seems like it's partly a state problem and partly a federal problem. states regulate labs. they can set parameters on who does and does not test this week, new york's governor andrew cuomo announced that pharmacies in new york are allowed to test for coronavirus. but these labs are national companies that are trying to sell to many different cities and many different states. how much do we balance the responsibility of this between states and the federal government? >> well, actually, you highlight two problems. one is the fact that you're seeing a lot of kicking the can down the road, the federal government kicking it to the governors. the governors saying, no, we're going to send this to the mayors and the mayors doan the han't h capacity to deal with it. the testing is variable in the sense you have some private, some of the big private corporations like quest and lab

corps, roesch and the others and in some cases done at the state labs. so it's quite a mixture and there is no consistency from city to city. it's very difficult to harmonize this. i do think we can work it out. its very labor intensive and now if we're serious about opening up the economy in the next few weeks before we go back into containment mode which is what looks like is happening in places like texas, we have to have that infrastructure now and that's going to take time to ramp up. so i am really worried about the summer and fall and a lot of instability especially with the election rolling around. this could be a very turbulent time in our country. >> i do also want to ask you about vaccines. there is a letter that was sent from a few members of congress with regards to the f.d.a.'s efforts to test for vaccines. it was sent by bill foster of illinois, also congresswoman donna shalala signed on to that letter. they want to inject volunteers

with the virus to speed up the vaccine development process. bill foster is a phd physicist. iced to work in a particle accelerator, clearly. these are not people who don't know science. but what do you think of that? particularly their suggestion that if we did that it might dra mat lick speed up the pace at which we find a vaccine? >> well, the answer is maybe but maybe not. so what this is referring to is a human challenge model that is you vaccinate human volunteers and then you actually infect them with the agent you're trying to vaccinate them against and see if you can get a relatively quick ed relatively easy signal that it works. sbent years fine tuning o challenge to test our hook worm vaccines. you have to standardize the dose. you have to figure out the mechanism you're going to infect individuals, droplet, arrow sol,

how are you going to monitor them? what the outputs you're going to look for? do you have a drug to safely treat them in case they start getting sick? this is not a quick fix. it may be just as fast to get an answer if you vaccinate a population in an area where there is high transmission. that may actually turn out to be much faster. i'm all for starting to work towards developing this so-called human challenge model. but this idea that it's going to be a quick fix and get an immediate answer on the vaccine is not true. that is something you have to look at very carefully. >> dr. peter hotez of baylor college of medicine, thank you. thanks for having me back. a new legal challenge to the president's immigration ban. a ne president's immigration ban. getting older shouldn't mean giving up all the things she loves to do. it should just mean, well, finding new ways to do them.

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there is a new legal challenge to the president's temporary ban on immigration. he says it will protect american jobs during the pandemic. a number of civil rights groups filed a motion to halt the ban. they claim it will tear families apart and even hurt the economy. president trump has used immigration reform as a campaign promise since the 2016 election. he can if he wants extend this measure after 60 days. let's discuss it with an immigration reporter from buzz feed news and with a legal analyst for nbc news and msnbc and a professor at the new school. good to you have both.

president trump says the ban should be preserving american jobs for americans. what is the legal argument against the ban? the president has wide latitude over immigration in terms of the nature of the presidency. is there a legal argument against him doing this? >> well, let's be very clear about what the president is actually doing in this executive order in order to answer that question. this is an executive order that has a lot of exceptions to it. one of which, for example, is if you are a wealthy chinese businessman, you can in fact continue to ask to come into the country. that means that, one, obviously the trump administration is saying we think some people are more important to allow in the country than others. but the reality here is that it's really driving a long standing political interest in trying to end immigration as much as possible. and stephen miller has said as

much. now to the legal point, i think there really is a legal claim here. because what the case is arguing is that for a specific category of people, that is the children of people who are in this country with permission, they are not citizens, but they are legal residents who have been waiting in line to get in the country and have a particular status because they're unmarried and they're children, minors under the law, if they are not allowed to continue to ask for admission, they could wait years before they can get back in line to get back in the country lawfully. and that's not good for immigration policy any more than it has anything to do with protecting the health or the jobs in this country because we're by and large talking about minors. and we're talking about

reuniting families. and families who have basically done exactly what we've asked them by paying attention to our immigration laws and are continuing to. so this is really more about politics over policy and it's certainly not really about jobs. >> glad you mentioned stephen miller. he is a senior adviser to the president. very focused on immigration. very hawkish, i guess would be a diplomatic word about immigration. there is reporting about a call he had with trump's surrogates on thursday morning. one quote from the call according to reporting from "the washington post" and "the new york times," we all need to be out there publicly promoting this vital action. i'm quoting stephen miller. and emphasizing we have a president that stands with american work aernz have a political opposition in this country that does not. going on to quote him, the most important thing is to turn off the faucet of new immigrant labor. mission accomplished with signing that executive order." what is your sense of what happens after the 60 days? would you suspect the ban gets

extended? >> i mean, i think that's a fair assumption. considering the comments and the goals of stephen miller and other restrictions in the white house. this appears to be part of a long term process to continue these restrictions. and potentially look to other categories of these including temporary workers that come in this country to work. >> there is a man in illinois who is suing the administration for denying stimulus checks to people that are married to immigrants that don't have social security numbers. what's the legal basis for why this restriction is in place. you know, i -- >> am i asking you to answer an unanswerable question. >> you're asking me to answer as a lawyer as an academic and someone that cares about social policy is not a good answer.

to the reality is if you qualify for a check, you should not be penalized for who you're married to or who you would like to marry. there is no argument for that. the notion that we have immigrants in this country should be something that we're proud of, certainly what his own executive order acknowledges is that there are a number of very important benefits that this country gets because of immigrants including immigrants who are health care workers, including immigrants who are quite frankly migrant labor on farms producing food we need right now. these are folks who often are paying taxes who have every right to believe that for their contributions to this country, they will be treated as part of the fabric of this country. i don't have a good argument for you because i don't think there is a good argument. >> they also report that there are officials who have access to the data base containing the

personal information of daca reaccept yenrsip yent. >> there is a lot of concern as we're still waiting for the supreme court to rule on the legality of the daca program and whether the trump administration had the right to wind down this program and get rid of it. so there is a lot of fear in this community that if the supreme court doesn indeed rule this is legal, these individuals will become undocumented and potential targets for immigration enforcement. >> glad to have you both with us. thanks very much. we're back in main. >> thank you. ery much we're back in main >> thank you

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questions about coronavirus. before you ask, you really should not consume disinfectant to kill the virus or any other purpose. you have been setting us sop reasonable questions and stories. please keep those coming. we'll respond to some of them later in the hour. we'll take another look across america as we get close to 9,000 cases and 55,000 deaths. one question many are debating in governor's mansions is about the economy. when is the right time to reopen businesses, to get on with life without putting more lives at risk. our correspondents are standing by to show us how some states are making these decisions. texas is another state that is starting to reopen this week. right now it has almost 25,000 confirmed cases and more than 700 deaths. texas statewide stay at home order is set to expire this thursday. tomorrow, governor greg abbott will announce whether he will

extend that order. we could learn if other non-essential businesses may reopen. priscilla thompson is in houston. i'm sure there are mixed opinions as to what businesses want to hear from the governor tomorrow. >> reporter: texas is a very tough state to try to enact something statewide. there's some parts that have no cases and other parts that are seen as hot spots. that's going to be the challenge before the governor on monday. some of the things he's looking at are also those nonessential businesses and lifting the stay at home order. we have to figure out what does that mean for place like houston or dallas where a number of case s a lot higher than it is in some other areas. the big thing i'm going to be looking for on monday from him is less about the what of the announcement and more of the how. how is that going to be implemented. ha is the time line and what are

the safety measures that will be put in place to ensure that those measures go off without a hitch. i spoke to one sbbusiness owner about what she will be looking for. take a listen to what she told me. >> a date is so important. it gives everybody a sense of closure and preparedness. i've welcomed him giving day for a while. i cannot wait to hear what he has to say on monday. >> reporter: as you heard there, timing is what business owners are looking for. i pressed her and said do you want him to say it will be a week. she said kit wiit can be a week. it can be two weeks. i gist need to know when so i can start preparing. the governor says when he makes that nieannounceannouncement, b owners will have a week to prepare to open. >> what else are you hearing from businesses or seeing where you are in terms of the mood on

the ground, whether or not consumers are eager to get back into those shops. just because the state gives permission for shops to open doesn't mean they will and even if shops are open, if people don't feel safe shopping, they're not showing up. >> reporter: sure. there's been a lot of foot traffic here with folks popping in and picking up to go orders. siepts li it seems like customers are eager to get back out. the key will be safety. a lot of the business owners said in order for customers to feel comfortable to come in, it will come down to the safety measures. they are implementing things like making workers wear face shields and turning a lot of their shops into touchless places. i visited a salon that will be almost entirely touchless where customers will not have to touch