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good thursday morning, everybody. it is april 30th. i'm yasmin vossoughian. we have a lot to cover this morning as the u.s. death toll surpassed 60,000 yesterday. the president seemed to revert to his old line of thinking that the virus will, in fact, disappeared. this claim has been refuted time and time again by the administration's top medical experts who say the virus will come back in the fall and will likely be worst if it coincides with flu season. here is dr. anthony fauci on tuesday. and then the president contradicting him yesterday. >> it's not going to disappear from the planet, which means as we get into next season, in my mind, it's inevitable that we will have a return of the virus or maybe it never even went away. when it does, how we handle it will determine how fate.

if by that time we have put into place all of the countermeasures that you need to address this, we should do reasonably well. if we don't do that successfully, we could be in for a bad fall and a bad winter. >> without a vaccine, sir, why do you think the virus will just be gone? >> it's going to go. it's going to leave. it's going to be gone. it's going to be eradicated. it might take longer. it might be in smaller sections. it will be -- it won't be what we had -- and we also learned a lot, again, if you have a flare-up in a certain area, if you have a -- i call them burning embers, boom, we put it out. we know how to put it out now, but we put it out. and now we're equipped. >> again, a direct contradiction there. so the president also offering his version as to what he believes the new normal would soon look like while speaking

with hospitality, food and automotive executives yesterday. >> what might the new normal look like two, three years from now, say restaurant workers, hotel workers, might they be required to wear masks, that sort of thing? >> no. the new normal being what it was three months ago. i think we want to go back to where it was. when i look at a baseball game, i want to see people right next to each other. i don't want to see four seats in between every person so that the stadium becomes 25% of its original size, no. i want to see the nfl with a packed house. i don't want to see nfl with three seats in between people. no, i want to go back to where it was. that's where we're going to be. >> hopefully in the not too sdans distant future, we'll have some massive rallies and people will be sitting next to each other. i can't imagine a rally where you have every fourth seat full,

every six seats are empty for every one that you have full. that wouldn't look too good. >> also, again, very different than what we're hearing from his own scientists and medical experts there. talking 2020 for a moment, there is reporting from multiple news outlets that the president lashed out at his campaign manager after he was given polls that showed him trailing joe biden in several key states. trump was briefed in a series of phone calls last week by his political advisers, including his campaign manager brad parscall, ron na mcdaniel and son-in-law jared kushner. the aides showed the president his latest re-election campaign polls which showed him trailing joe biden in several key states. multiple sources familiar with the briefing confirmed to nbc news this story. one source described trump as being in a, quote, horrific mood as parscall walked him through polling. then on friday, two days after being shown those polls, trump

berated his campaign manager, insisting that the data was wrong and blamed parscall for the fact that he was down in the polls. the tense exchange was first reported by krn and by "the washington post," as well. trump repeatedly told campaign officials during the heated calls, quote, i'm not blanking losing to joe biden, according to five people with knowledge of the conversation. i think you can figure out what blanking was. trump had planned to run his 2020 campaign on the strength of the economy as we well know now. and has now been warned by aides that his re-election depends on how quickly he can down play the coronavirus. they have warned him to stay out of medical issues and direct his focus towards the economy. the post is reported that parscall travel from washington to florida for a long meeting with the president to bury the hatchet where he brought polling numbers that were a little bit

more favorable for the president. after midnight, the president put out a tweet denying he had shouted at his campaign manager. the trump campaign declined to comment on the report and the white house did not immediately respond to nbc's request for comment. let's get into this a bit. joining me now, managing editor of the washington examiner magazine, jay caruso. jay, good morning to you. great to see you on this thursday morning, the last day of april. let's talk about some of what the president is doing, appear to go revert to his old ways when implying that the coronavirus will be eradicated, will completely go away even without a vaccine and we will go back to the moment before this all started, not our new normal. what do you make of this? >> this is one of those situations where i'm waiting to come on and i hear the president's comments and the video you're showing me, the mixture of my -- me shaking my head and laughing in a way that's not funny.

the president -- i don't understand what the president's -- what his malfunction is in that he always seems to go contradict the scientists on his team. it's like they're having a conversation and there must be a tidbit of something where they -- somebody explores the minute possibility that, yes, maybe by the end of the summer the virus goes away, but the chances of that are 50 billion to one. doesn't matter. that's enough for him to go out there and say it will disappear. it's going to go away. and you just -- you know, the second part of what you're talking about where his advisers say stay out of the science and the medicine and it's true. this kind of thing where he has to be able to insert himself into these conversations and it's better off for him to sit there and say, you know what? i'm going to defer to dr. birx, to dr. fauci on that, let them tell you what we've been

sduszing asdus discussing and give you the right information. he doesn't do that. and it's mind boggling that he continues to make these claims that aren't backed up by any of the science and data we have. >> well, it's interesting because i wonder if he just doesn't want to face reality here, right? because we have this new reporting saying, as you mentioned, the president should stay out of what the medical experts are saying and stick to the economy, right, and stick to bringing the economy back because he's got an election in november and that's what he could feasibly get re-elected on. so i'm wondering if this is the president's effort to do just that and say no, there is no new normal. we're going to go back to the old normal when the economy was strong. this disease is going to be completely eradicated from planet earth essentially without a vaccine because he's hopeful that it will so that the economy could feasibly then bounce back. i'm wondering if this is all an effort by the president to get this economy to bounce back,

knowing his election depends on it, even if it's not a reality. >> yeah. that's exactly what he's trying to do. he wants to down play -- he wants to kind of minimize the bad and kind of accentuate the good if it's all there. but i think we're going to see something different come up here on may 8th when that jobs report comes out. it's not going to be a pretty picture. how long that lasts, we don't know, but it's not going to look good. >> yeah. every time we see some of those jobs reports come out, it's not a pretty picture at all. also quickly want to talk to you, jay, about the president lashing out with his campaign manager. what are people making of what the president is doing right now in his chances for re-election come 2020? >> well, trump is somebody who lives and dies by the polls. when the polls are good, he touts them as much as he can. when the polls are bad, he always said he doesn't believe them or that they're wrong. this is just another example of that. and it's also proof positive, if

you look at where we were a month and a half ago, that these -- him showing up at these briefings has not worked out well for him. and the constant lying, the constant battling back and forth of the press, it hasn't worked. and so with joe biden being able to kind of sit in the background and say, you know, let him harm himself, he's now moved up in the polls and it's not looking good for trump. especially in those swing states that are very critical to his re-election chances. >> all right. jay caruso, stay close. i'm going to talk to you again in just a little bit. appreciate it, my friend. still ahead, a new reporting about the white house's push to fast track a new vaccine. plus, we're getting a look at unsealed documents in the case against michael flynn. those stories and of course a check on your weather when we come back. a check on your weather when we come back. my gums are irritated.

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welcome back, everybody. a federal june unsealed documents in the case of michael flynn. the document includes a page of handwritten notes on whether to be forthcoming with flynn and the white house about the nature of their investigation. the notes are dated january 24th, 2017. that was the same day as flynn's white house interview and also include the following passages. quote, this, if we're seen at playing games, the white house will be furious. protect our institution by not playing games. agents also asked this. what's our goal, truth, admission or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired. it is unclear who wrote the note

or whether it was ever sent to anybody else. the president retweeted, of course, several articles in the document released before saying the news media quote this, should pay a big price for what they have purposefully done to this man and his family. getting into this with msnbc legal analyst, danny cevallos. the fbi is arguing the notes show careful deliberation of how to proceed and why they were proceeding with this investigation. and how the questioning should go with that. how is a judge going to see this? >> first, the public is now seeing a classic page out of the government, the fbi's playbook. send a couple of agents to someone's workplace, usually, ask them some questions and then, if they lie, use that lie, that section 1001 lie to go

agents charge as a hammer to get that person to cooperate. this is part of their m.o. and this is all consistent with their m.o. it is legal. i am a bias criminal defense attorney, but this is a lawful way to conduct an investigation. and more than that, it's incredibly effective. so now the judge that's weigh whether or not flynn should be able to withdraw his guilty plea. and he pled guilty back in 2017. but there is obviously new evidence that has come out. in fact, new evidence as recently as 2020 is still being disclosed as we can see. so in this case, could michael flynn have known all that he needed to know back in 2017? his crime does not exist until the fbi's office sent agents to talk to him. it was created as a product of the special counsel's investigation. obviously, michael flynn has to

take responsibility for what he said, but it was a crime that did not exist prior to the investigation. >> so how do you see this playing out, danny? >> if this was a year ago, i might have said the judge is likely to not let him withdraw his guilty plea. after all, when a defendant pleased guilty, a judge painstakingly walks them through all the facts of the case. are you pleading guilty of your own free will? yes, i am. do you admit that you did a., aboub and c in the indictment? yes. however, in a case like this where new evidence emerges that shows the intent of the fbi and agents and the government in approaching him and asking him questions, that could tip the scales. but keep in mind, michael flynn is responsible a for what he originally said to the fbi years ago and that was a lie under the

definition of section 1001. >> we certainly know the president will be watching this and tweeting about it, as well. danny sa volume yoes, thank you for joining us this morning. still ahead, everybody, the uk has the second highest coronavirus death toll in europe. today, prime minister boris johnson is expected to lay out what's next in the fight to stop the spread. we're going to get a live report from london, coming up next. lit from london, coming up nex t.

welcome back. prime minister boris johnson is expected to announce the next steps in fighting the coronavirus. he's had a big month. the british government facing a looming deadline to meet its target of 100,000 tests per day as the uk now has the second highest death toll in europe.

joining me now from london, cal perry. cal, let's talk about some of those statistics .i'm interested to know where the uk is on its curve as to whether or not they're begin to go flatten their curve at this point and what exactly we are expecting to hear from the prime minister today. >> so the curve has stabilized. it's certainly not on its downward trend that. add to that, the uk government is now officially factoring in deaths that have occurred outside of hospitals. that's taken the death toll from 21,000 all the way up to 26,000 in just 24 hours. so the curve is sort of stabilizing, but it's not on its downward trend yet. the prime minister today is likely going to urge people to continue to lockdown. the first comments that he made when he got out of hospital was i know it's difficult, i know it's hard to stay in your homes, but now is the time that we all have to do it because we are starting to get a handle on the virus and if we just go outside, that curve is not going to go

downwards. he's saying it because people are going to go outside. people were out and about in pretty large numbers. there is a growing fatigue if are this lockdown, certainly, here in london. >> and it's tough as the weather gets better for everybody across the world, really, cal. talk about the testing goals here, right? because we know here in the united states, we have not necessarily hit the goals for testing here as states begin to loosen their guidelines. where are you with testing in the uk, especially with this goal of reaching 100,000 tests per day? >> so that goal was given by the health secretary, matt hancock, and it was in response to an unbelievable amount of criticisms that the government has just not done the proper amount of testing. so he said by the end of this month, by today, 100,000 tests would be carried out every day. on tuesday, which is the last set of data we had, 52,000 tests were carried out. so just over half the goal that

the uk government is getting. all of this is creating an atmosphere of more criticisms on the government, more criticisms on boris johnson. when this started a month ago, he didn't want long briefings. it is happening here as it is happening there. this criticism is only growing when it comes to the testing, when it comes to the reporting numbers of who is actually dieing from the coronavirus. so boris johnson, as you said, quite the month. he almost died of the coronavirus. he's just had a baby. he's back to work today. he's deferred that parental leave and he's under incredible amount of credit sichs fiticism this lockdown is handled. so many people, as i said, are desperate to get back to work. the economy has taken a huge i let. that's what he's up against,

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welcome back, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. we're going to begin this half hour with dr. anthony fauci's comments about remdesivir. he referred to a clinical study of more than 1,000 patients around the world who received either a placebo or the actual drug. dr. fauci says the data is so promising there is, quote, an ethical obligation to immediately let the placebo group know so they can have access to it. here is dr. fauci explaining why he believes remdesivir works against the virus. >> the data shows that remdesivir has a clear cut significant positive effect in diminishing the time to recover. if you look at the time to recovery being shorter in the remdesivir arm, it was 11 days compared to 15 days.

although at 31% improvement doesn't seem like a knockout 100%, it is a very important proof of concept. because what it has proven is that a drug can block this virus. >> so the trump administration is organizing an effort dubbed operation warp speed so fast track the development of a coronavirus vaccine. according to bloomberg news, the program will pull together private pharmaceutical companies, government agents and the military to try to cut the development time for the vaccine by as much as 8 months. bloom berg reports that as part of the arrangement, taxpayers will shoulder much of the financial risk that vaccine candidates may fail, rather than drug companies carrying the cost. while medical experts have said a coronavirus vaccine could take at least 12 to 18 months, two senior administration officials are telling nbc news that a

quiet effort to speed up the process is under way, but caution the project is still being developed and, therefore, it may be premature to predict an actual timeline. during a round table event with business leaders at the white house yesterday, the president said that he plans to visit arizona next week, marking one of the few times in the past several weeks he has left the white house amid the pandemic. >> i think i'm going to arizona next week. and we look forward to that. and i'm going to -- i hope ohio very soon. and we're going to start to move around and hopefully in the not too distant future, we'll have some massive rallies and people will be sitting next to each other. i've been in the white house now for many months and i'd like to get out. as much as i love this, this is the most beautiful house in the world in my opinion, but i think there's just a great demand to get out and, you know, get our country going again. >> so arizona and ohio are two

important states for the president in the 2020 presidential election. in 2016, trump won ohio by 8 percentage points and in arizona by less than 4 points. both states are on democrats' 2020 target list. speaking of democrats, joe biden has officially begun his search for a potential running mate, announcing who he has tapped for his vice presidential selection committee this morning. biden, who is the presumptive democratic nominee, named former senate colleague chris dodd, long time political allies eric garcetti and lisa blount rouch as well as cynthia hogan to lead the efforts. the diverse community provides the racial diversity that democrats hope biden will consider as he chooses his running mate. back in march, biden pledged to

choose a woman as his vice presidential pick with many in the party pushing for a woman of color in a bid to potentially energize the party's base this fall. let's get into this once again with managing editor of the washington examiner magazine, jay caruso. jay, good to talk to you again. let's talk about this, something other than the coronavirus for a moment. and that is the vp committee that biden has put together. what do you make of the names on the list that i just read out and who do you believe at this point the vice president is leaning towards? >> well, the names are fine. they're all smart people. i will say that i think biden probably made a little bit of a mistake by pledging that he would choose a woman as his vice presidential candidate. not that that is bad that he would choose a woman, but that he put that out there, it doesn't give him any room to back up if he finds someone that he feels more comfortable with

that might be a man, say like cory booker or something like that. so that is out the window at this point. so he's backed himself into a bit of a corner. i know stacey abrahams has been the one that has gotten a lot of press attention and she's out there and been personally angling for it. i don't think that she would make a good choice, as much attention as she's been getting. her experience is really limited to that of several years as a state legislator. i'm going to go back to something that i said probably over a month ago, that i still think that joe biden is probably going to choose senator kamala harris. she has this point is the only woman of color who has a statewide office, she's a sitting senator. she does have the experience. i know there are people that talked about her role as attorney general and a prosecutor that may hurt her in certain quarters. but i think it's a good contrast. you have biden who is going -- you know, pushing 80. he will be 80 in the middle of his first term and then you have

harris, who is much younger, can energize that base, and i think that a lot of people go back and, honestly, especially with the democratic base, her performance during the cavanaugh hearings and the questioning that she did is probably going to be something that people are going to remember, they're going to revive and they're going to talk about that. >> he's had somewhat of a longer relationship with senator harris, as well, as long as his now deceased son who was incredibly close with the senator. let's talk about your latest piece here, jay, and your thoughts about justin omage exploring a run for the white house. he was on our air quite a bit yesterday talking about his case to run. what could this mean for the 2020 election? >> well, the piece that i wrote was centered around a lot of people that are part of the lincoln project, kind of the anti-trump republicans who were

out there praising amash during the impeachment hearings and all that and who are now not so enamored with him flirt, a third party run because they think it will hurt biden. i don't necessarily see how that is possible. if you were all in for biden, i can't imagine you're going to sit there and say, oh, yes, justin amash, someone who is so polarly opposite of joe biden. if anything, it could hurt trump. if there were people who were reluctant trump voters, who could say, all right, now i have someone that i could vote for. one thing that is key here. this is not a situation where i think amash has a chance of winning, but i look at voting as a people where people choose someone who best represents their views. this is not a horse race where you're picking who is going to win and who is not. this is a situation where amash gives people a clear choice to

say, this is a person who aligns with my thinking. i'm going to go for him, even though the chances of him winning are nearly impossible. >> we'll have to wait and see if he actually does get in the race. jay caruso, thank you, as always. great to see you this morning. so during a white house meeting with louisiana governor john mill edwards yesterday, the president said the existing coronavirus social distancing guidelines will not be extended further as more governors begin to lift restrictions and reopen their economies. >> the current guidelines, i think you can say, are very much incorporated in the guidance that we're giving states to open up america again. but maybe mr. president -- >> yeah. they'll be fading out because now the governors are doing it. >> the original two-week guidelines that were extended an additional 30 days called for americans to work from home, limit travel, and avoid large gatherings. these guidelines are set to expire today.

and as the coronavirus continues to ravage parts of the country, several states, including georgia, texas, minnesota, south carolina, they've already partially reopened their economies. this is coming as the number of deaths tops more than 60,000 across the country and as the number of infections increase to over 1 million. yet the growing death toll has not prevented some states from relaxing their lockdowns. florida announced yesterday it would begin lifting stay-at-home orders on monday, allowing restaurants and shops to reopen with limited capacity. this will not apply to areas like miami and palm beach counties where the pandemic has hit the hardest. in missouri, all businesses and social events will be allowed to reopen next monday, but that does not include kansas city, the state's largest city. and according to a city spokes woman, only certain, quote, nonessential businesses will he will be allowed to reopen wednesday, but bars, restaurants

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depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you. welcome back. amid pressure to cramp up testing, here are president's original comments followed by yesterday's walkback. >> some health experts say the u.s. needs 5 million tests per day by june in order to safely reopen. you unveiled a plan yesterday that will increase testing, but not by that much. why not and can you get to that benchmark? >> well, it will increase it and it will increase it by much more

than that in the very near future. we're way ahead of everyone on testing. >> you're confident you can surpass 5 million tests per day. is that -- >> well, we're going to be there very soon. if you look at the numbers, it could be that we're guessing very close. i don't have the exact numbers. we would have had them if you asked me the same question a little while ago because people with the statistics were there. we're going to be there very soon. >> testing yesterday, you said that we will very soon be testing 35 million peop testing 5 million people -- >> i'd like to refer to these two people because i don't know where it came up. everyone kept saying you said there would be five -- that was a study that came out. somebody came up with a study of 5 million people. do i think we will? i think we will, but i never said it. >> all right. with that, i want to switch gears here and get a check on your weather with nbc meteorologist bill karins. bill, i know you've been tracking the numbers with us. >> the numbers are very

difficult, yeah. >> before we get there -- yeah, i can only imagine as we watch them increase every single day. but we get there, i know we are facing some severe weather here in the northeast that you want to run through. >> yeah. let me go through that and i'll get to the numbers, the latest on the covid cases yesterday. first thing's first, though, we have about 44 million people first in flash flooding as we go through the areas of the mid-atlantic and through the northeast. heavy rain this morning up through i-95. we have a flash flood warning into charlotte right now. 44 million people under the flash flood watch, including washington, d.c., baltimore, philadelphia, new york city is not in that flash flood watch. looks like the heaviest rain will be just to the west. here is the timing of it. all day long, it will pour from rich mo richmond to norfolk, washington, d.c. we don't really get into the heavy rain until this evening and during the overnight hours, the heaviest rain will move through areas of connecticut and through washington. friday, still kind of a transition day.

the nicer weather really won't arrive until we get to the weekend. for today, record hot. a nasty day in areas of the great lakes and ohio valley. on friday, the rain does exit eventually in the northeast and thankfully, we're going to look for a nice weekend, especially in areas of the mid-atlantic, all of the even seaboard should be really nice on sunday. sunday, we will watch another rain storm in the ohio valley with clouds increasing in the northeast. finally, a review of some of the numbers yesterday, 28,000 cases yesterday. we've gone up in the number of cases in the lasted three days in a row. yesterday was the sixth deadliest day we had reported. 2390,000. we should hit 2 to 3% of the population tested over the

weekend. >> bill karins, great to see you, as always. still ahead, ear going to go live to cnbc for an early look at what is driving the day on wall street. and as we go to break, for the first time in two months, south korea, once among the hardest hit countries, has reported no new domestically transmitted cases. korean authorities did say there were four new cases of covid-19, but they involved people who came in from outside the country. the news is good news and it is a sign that south korea's focus on rapid testing and contact tracing has proved an effective model for battling the pandemic. that's why we say testing, testing, testing. we are back in a moment. ing, teg we are back in a moment. ♪

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welcome back, everybody. jared kushner praised the trump administration's handling of the coronavirus pandemic yesterday, calling it a great success story. >> sure, so the pandemic office,

that was an nsc situation, but there's a lot of different parts of the government that are responsible for that and all of those have been functioning. and, again, we're on the other side of the medical aspect of this. and i think that we've achieved different milestones that are needed. federal government rose to the challenge. this is a great success story. and i think that that's really what needs to be told. and in terms of the national strategy that you mentioned with governor newsom, look, we've been very busy doing. we released the strategy document earlier this week. it was an eight-step plan. seven of the steps have been completed. you can accelerate to the levels that needed to be done. a lot of the work is the up front work. that's been completed. again, we've done more tests than any other country in the world, so we've got to be doing a lot of things right. >> again, not more tests per capita. we cannot say it enough. you want to call it a great success story? over 1 million confirmedcati ee

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access to your favorite apps, including netflix, prime video, youtube and hulu. all without changing passwords and inputs. the most 4k content and movies and shows on any screen. the best entertainment experience all in one place. welcome back, everybody. the u.s. gdp fell 4.8% in the first quarter of the year, marking the largest drop since the financial recession of 2008. cnbc's julianna tatelbaum is joining us live from london on this. good morning to you. talk us through this, how the u.s. economy is fairing and the stock market reacting, as well, as we look at some of these pretty terrible numbers. >> this is a really steep drop. there's no doubt about it. this marks as end to the longest expansion ever seen in u.s. history. but investors have shrugged off this severe impact we're seeing

turn up in the numbers. yesterday, the federal reserve pledged to use all of its tools to cushion the blow of the pandemic on the u.s. economy. so we saw a rally in markets yesterday. according to u.s. futures, we're going to see some more gains for wall street today. in addition to the federal reserve, investigators cheered by positive news out of gilead on a potential treatment for covid-19. to put this into context, the dow is on pace for its best monthly performance since 2008. the s&p, since the '70s. watch the jobless claims number. report is due out this afternoon. economists are looking at another 3.5 million americans filing for unemployment, bringing the total number to 30 million. back to you. >> we'll be looking for the release of the jobless claims in a couple hours. julianna tatelbaum is live from london. great to see you this morning.

thanks so much. let's go to washington with a look at axios a.m. editor in chief for axios, nicholas johnston. good morning to you. great to see you. >> good morning. >> talk to us about axios' one big thing. >> today's one big thing is the trump virus slump. the president's handling of the coronavirus pandemic and the public's reaction to it is setting off alarm bells in the white house regarding the president's re-election. starting to grow worried about how this might fair for the president with election day six months away. new polling data is driving this conversation right now. new gallop figures have the president's national approval rating, which has been stable for much of the presidency, falling six points. florida, new polls are showing him losing to joe biden, a must-win state for president trump. he's been warned by republicans in georgia that that state is starting to fall into play. that's a state hillary clinton won -- donald trump, cuse excuse me, won by five points over

hillary clinton. there's been a blow-up between president trump and his top campaign aides. they say they've smoothed it over with ads against joe biden. the u.s. economy and how it's been struggling with the pandemic, gps numbers have been bad. over 20 million people out of work. the strong economy had been the tail wind for president trump leading to his re-election. administration officials are hoping the economy can snap back in the fall when the virus passes. certainly, if it continues like this, there are alarm bells ringing for the president, as far as his re-election. >> i just feel as if an economy snapping back at this point is unrealistic, considering the shutdown. >> right. >> the consequences of the shutdown we've seen so far. even as we are seeing, nick, some states ease up on restrictions here, we know this summer is just not going to be the same. it is going to have huge impacts on families, on education, on camps, summer camps, on

businesses. tell us more about the effects of this seasonal loss. >> yeah. something we started to look at recently, remember when the shutdown started in march, feels like ages ago, we figured it'd be a spring, and we'd be back to normal by sumsummer. as this drags on, the rollout plans come out, which are far more structured than everything reopening at once, we look how the impact will be throughout the summer. education is a huge one. instead of students getting a couple months off, it'll be six months until the students get back to school. when they're not learning, they start to forget what they've learned. this can be a setback with many students with six months out of school. the summertime can be a huge opportunity for many businesses, tourists and retail destinati destinations, it is like what christmas is like for a lot of shopping malls. if they lose the travel season, businesses can be affected and

drir driven out of business, not to reopen again. education, of course, for universities, as well. whether they'll be able to reopen schools for summer schools and also looking into the fall. looking at long-term effects sort of through the summer and into the fall. >> yeah. i think this next couple months is going to be very different than we've ever experienced before. nicholas johnston, thank you. going to be reading axios am in a little bit. sign up for the newsletter at signup.axios.com. that does it for me on this thursday morning. i'm yasmin vossoughian. "morning joe" starts right now. it's inevitable that we will have a return of the virus, or maybe it never even went away. >> it is going to leave. it'll be gone. it'll be eradicated. >> if you want to get to pre-coronavirus, you know, that might not ever happen in the sense of the fact that the threat is there. >> i see the new normal being what it was three months ago. i think we want to go back to where it was. >> i remember you saying you're

confident you can surpass 5 million tests per day. is that -- >> we're going to be there very soon. if you look at the numbers, it could be we're getting very close. >> testing yesterday, you said we will very soon be testing 5 million people. >> somebody came out with the study of 5 million people. do i think we will? i think we will. i never said it. >> all right. president trump contradicting dr. fauci and himself. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." thursday, april 30th. >> on the 5 million a day, the guy that runs testing said there was no way this was ever going to happen on this planet or any other planet. >> ever. >> he said that in the morning to "time" magazine. then in the afternoon, donald trump, who seems to be a little more confused lately, and contradicting his own people, it's truly disturbing. i'm starting to get really concerne