>> thank you for having me, andrea. >> you bet. safe travels home. thank you all for being with us. that does it for us today. thanks for being with us. chuck todd and katy tur pick up our coverage right now. >> well done. thank you, andrea. i'm chuck todd. and here are the facts as we know them this hour. one month after it docked on manhattan's west side, the "usns comfort" has departed new york. all of its patients have been sent home or moved to another hospital. the ship will return to virginia to restock and await further assignment. andrew cuomo called the 933 new hospitalizations in his state unacceptable. even as he acknowledged the curve was flattening. again, flattening, not yet going downward. the state's death toll crossed 18,000. one-third of all coronavirus-related deaths in the country. u.s. intelligence agencies

concluded the covid-19 virus is, quote, not manmade or genetically modified. the office of the director of national intelligence say they will continue to study if the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or a chinese lab accident. the most important finding is that it was not manmade. vice president mike pence will tour general motors plant in kokomo, indiana. he declined to wear a mask during a visit to the mayo clinic in minnesota. that's where things stand for the moment. joining me from new york's once bustling grand central terminal, and we're hoping not have too many echoes -- echoes here, is my co-anchor for the next two hours, katy tur. what aren't you seeing? >> i'm not seeing people. yesterday we were in times square. look at grand central terminal. that's where all the tourists would go. this is where all the people

commuting into new york to work come through. it's one of the major arteries of new york city. this is midday. it's not rush hour, but there's really no such thing as rush hour here in new york city. and there's no one here. the only people that are here beyond us are people who are looking for shelter or new york city's front line and essential workers. they are the ones still using mass transit. 750,000 people come through here every day. now you're just seeing a handful. the frontline workers, the mass transit workers have taken a big hit in this crisis. dozens of mta employees have died from covid-19. and yesterday, the empire state building glowed blue last night in honor of those brave men and women making sure doctors, nurses and police and firefighters can still get to work. remember, you still need transit in this city. not everybody has a car. not everybody has the money to get into an uber or a lyft.

there's also a problem with the homelessness on the subways. a lot of video of that over the past few days. governor cuomo was very angry about it because he was worried those trains were very dirty and potentially spreading the infection. he was also worried about the people sheltering on those trains not getting the help they needed. because of that, they'll shut down the subways every night between 1:00 and 5:00 a.m. so they can disinfect every single subway car. get that homeless population out to the street so they can get the help they need. for those essential health care workers that still need to get to work, the city will be providing lyfts and ubers and vias paid for by the mta to make sure that everybody can still get to where they are going. but again, just looking at this completely empty space behind me, it's just completely surreal. i know it's hard to take it in on a screen, but just look at it. there's no one here. >> katy, there's a bigger issue here, and it was interesting in

talking to our bosses about the challenges we as an organization have of getting back to some form of normalcy, listen to this stat. i believe at least in our building in midtown manhattan. 99% of our colleagues don't drive in. individually. they take some form of public transportation. and the great riddle, katy, for every business leader in midtown manhattan is i can make my office safe. i can keep my employees safe when they're there. what do i do -- how do i get my employees to and from work safely and right now, in a city like new york, where public transportation, the packed buses, packed cars, we don't have a good answer on that. and it isn't just new york. new york's the best example but chicago, you name the cities with the big mass transportation commuters. >> chuck, if i may, i don't own a car. i don't drive into the city.

i take the subway every single day. when you take the subway in new york city, there's barely a time of day where you have any breathing room, let alone can get a seat. most times you're packed in like sardines. the idea that they'll institute six feet of distance between everybody on a subway car is hard to imagine in a city like -- >> that's eight people. we did the math. can you imagine, i think you can max if abided by social distancing, eight people per car per subway car. >> that's insane. you could never do that here in the city. also want to disinfect everything you touch. what about the subway bars. that's what you hold onto when you're on the train if you can't find a seat. how do you buy a ticket? use the touch screen to buy a ticket to get on the train. the infrastructure is not in place to make sure that everybody can stay safe on mass transit. >> this is a big point of why you're there today.

why this not a new york city problem. this is a major american city problem around the country when it comes to mass transit as we get back to work. as we set the scene, moments ago, president trump met with the democratic governor of new jersey, a state still reeling from the pandemic. governor phil murphy told andrea mitchell they discussed expanded testing. obviously a big problem. the meeting comes on the same day the white house's social distancing guidelines technically expire since we now move to the phase one reopening guidelines. president trump has said he'll not extend those guidelines, even as the death toll in the u.s. surpasses 61,000. but there are different guidelines that the country is operating under now. nbc news correspondent carol lee joins me from the white house. carol, it's pretty clear that if -- that the white house desperately wants to give the appearance that they've moved to a new phase. we're in the reopening and

recovery phase. but it feels as if the virus isn't cooperating. >> right. and you heard that from the governor in his interview with andrea where he said it's getting better, but we're not out of the woods yet. and that's pretty much everyone's message except for oftentimes the president and some of the people who work for him. you know, we've heard from the president today, he did a radio interview. called in to a radio station. and he said, you know, we need to -- we can't play these games anymore when asked about lifting the stay-at-home orders and moving to reopening the economy. and he said that, you know, he wants to see football stadiums that -- where people aren't just sitting a few seats away from each other. he wants them packed like they used to be and, to him, that would be the measure of success. now that's -- when you talk to governors, you hear from them, they say their states, most of them are not ready to do that yet. we've seen a number of governors

extend their stay-at-home orders. we in washington, d.c., are not lifting stay-at-home orders. restaurants aren't opening. the president wants to pivot in, lean into the economy, focus on that and try to paint this picture of an economic situation in a country that's really moving forward and getting back to firing on all cylinders. >> right. you throw in that, you have -- do you have -- the point of vice president pence's visit to indiana today, there does seem to be once again the white house wants to be judged on its -- by success via ventilator, while others keep asking them about the testing situation. and it does seem interesting to me that they used the vice president's travel schedule today to highlight a ventilator plant. that's fine, but it's anything to avoid the testing conversation. >> yeah if you go back a few weeks, the conversation and the

back and forth the president is having with reporters who ask him questions about this, the things he just says on his own, that's what he was saying and that's what the dynamic was about ventilators not very long ago. the questions from governors and the pressure that was on him was that. now we're seeing that on testing. one thing we know about the vice president traveling outside of washington and the president is going to do that next week. and that's also part of this effort to show that things are getting back to normal and to make people feel like things are getting back to normal. what we know is the president is unlikely to focus on medical -- he's not going to a hospital or anything like that. it's going to be geared towards these manufacturing. he's supposed to go to a plant that is generating more masks. that was another criticism that they had early on. now he feels like that's a success story. you can't give away these masks

there soare so many. he said that today. it's generated in this forward movement. the white house trying to push the narrative toward, things are getting better. >> carol lee, the only time i didn't mind standing under cover when it was raining out were sort of weather days like this. it's surreal. it's a warmer rain at least. at least it's not a cold rain. >> it is. you can hear it. >> for folks wondering, you do -- we do keep you covered when you're having to stand there at the white house. carol lee, thank you for -- >> thank you, chuck. >> -- braving the elements there. katy, back to you. >> chuck, we learned today that 3.8 million people filed first-time unemployment claims in the last week. and that exceeded forecasts once again. that means the total unemployment for the past six weeks is now more than 30 million people. more than 30 million people have applied for unemployment insurance. joining me is nbc news business correspondent jo ling kent from outside an unemployment office

in california. jo, looking forward to the monthly job reports, there are some economists who estimated it could be as high as 20% unemployment which we have not seen since the great depression. >> that's exactly right. those estimates aren't far off. if you look at the numbers we got in today, the 3.8 million people, more of them applying for the weekly jobless claims. what you see is about a workforce now 18% of the u.s. workforce is now out of a job. so these are very serious severe and staggering numbers. what we're seeing across the country is florida is the leader in terms of unemployment claims. then you have new york, california, michigan, georgia, texas. also hurting a lot here. but what we know, too, katy, is that a lot of the people who are trying to file for unemployment who have not yet filed yet means this 30 million number may still be a relatively conservative figure. and we may be undercounting at

this point. there's also of getting your benefits once you file. so many have been able to get through and file but unable to do the wage verification that's required because so many people are applying on systems that are, frankly, really old. they're very hard to use. and i've been talking to tech executives who are trying to add in cloud servers and artificial intelligence just to make this a little bit better. >> jo ling kent in california, thank you very much. chuck, i was reading a "usa today" report that said that somebody that was waiting on the phone for unemployment insurance to apply for it, they were told they were 1 of 88,000 people currently on hold waiting. >> so many states, it's amazing the number of states with antiquated systems in order to file. and some states the theory is, it's done on purpose almost to

discourage in some states people from filing. that you get so discouraged. ah, forget it. i won't file. so i think a lot of those chickens coming home to roost for a lot of state governments. california governor gavin newsom is expected to announce he's going to close beaches and state parks again starting tomorrow. the governor is reportedly responding to these images that we have shown you over the past few days of overcrowded beaches from this past weekend. meanwhile, los angeles mayor garcetti announced l.a. is the first major city to provide free coronavirus testing to all residents. regardless of whether they have symptoms. joining me is nbc correspondent joe fryer live at a beach in ventura, california. joe, i've always thought the most difficult thing to do throughout this process was going to be asking people to reshut something. letting people out and reshutting it back in, versus -- so that's why when you open, you better make sure you can keep it

open. this feels like a real test of the patience of the california public versus the governor here. >> yeah, it's certainly going to test some people who have been upset with the slow space that california has taken, really being methodical in reopening things. essentially counties and cities were left to make the decision as to whether they wanted to open up things like beaches. what we saw last weekend, some counties and cities decided to do that. we saw it here in ventura where they had some restrictions in place that kept people from sitting on the beaches. it was more dramatic to the south of l.a. in orange county. it was those images that concerned some public officials, including the governor. tens of thousands of people had descended upon the beach there. california was in the middle of a heat wave, above average temperatures. so after seeing that, governor newsom sounded off on monday saying if we continue to see images like this, it's going to keep us from reopening the virus sooner. he said the virus doesn't take

weekends off. newport beach, however, the police chief responded putting out his own images from his plee police department saying the vast majority of people practiced social distancing, kept a safe distance and followed the guidelines. he thought it went well over the weekend. but governor newsom when he gives his daily briefing in the next couple of hours is expected to close down the beaches. starting tomorrow, it's unclear how long it's going to last for. probably in sync with some of the other decisions he's going to make as far as reopening. >> so this is longer than just the weekend. this is something until he decides he can let up, just to clarify that? >> yeah. we dont know exactly how long this is going to last at this point. it's going to kick in term. originally we know earlier this week, newport beach did have a meeting to discuss whether to close down the beaches again locally for the next three weekends, but in the end, they

voted to keep the beaches open. as far as the california order goes, we don't know at this point how long it might last. >> struggle is, where can some angelinos go walk? sometimes the beach is the equivalent of a park. joe fryer, thank you. coming up -- could the sudden pause in the daily white house coronavirus task force briefings have something to do with recent polling showing president trump trailing joe biden in just about every battleground state you can come up with? we're looking at the latest numbers after the break. ♪

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lawyers for former national security adviser michael flynn are seizing on newly released fbi records they say are proof that their client was essentially set up. the documents unsealed by a federal judge appear to show agents strategizing on how best to handle the interview they did with flynn. what is our goal? truth? admission? or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired? president trump who has tweeted or retweeted about flynn's case nearly 30 times in the past 24 hours said this to reporters a few minutes ago. >> you see the notes, jim. i mean, whether you are on our side, that side, whatever, i mean, i assume let's all talk about fairness. what they did to general flynn, and by the way, to roger stone and to others was a disaster. and a disgrace. and it should never be allowed to happen in this country again.

>> joining us now, nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. so, pete, here's this note by -- i don't think -- do we know -- i'll be curious if you fill this in. do we know who the fbi agent was, was it peter strzok? and it feeds into a lot of what people believe about fbi investigations. there's always an angle. and to see it written out there i have to tell you, pete, just in general, it feeds a very bad stereotype of the fbi. >> so here's the -- this is the key to what was unsealed and given to the lawyers for michael flynn. this is a handwritten note. we're not sure who it's by. we think we know who it's by but we're not positive so we're not going to say prpthsay. others have speculated about it. it's minutes from a meeting strategizing, what's going to be our approach with this flynn interview? and it talks about, for example,

should we show him the evidence that we have that he talked to the russian ambassador? and, remember, that's what flynn pleaded guilty to lying about. he admitted that when he talked to the fbi in january, shortly after becoming the national security adviser in the brand-new trump administration, that he lied to the fbi by falsely denying that he had a couple of conversations with russia's ambassador to the u.s. during the transition. he said he didn't. the government said he did and had documentary evidence of it. so this is a strategy about how we're going to approach it. should we show them the evidence we have? that kind of thing. and then, what's our goal? there's also in this note things that cut the other way. our goal is to resolve the case. our goal is to determine if mike flynn is going to tell the truth about his relationship with the russians. if we're seen at playing games, the white house will be furious, it said at one point. we have to protect our institution for not playing games. but i take your point.

to see that note is disturbing. i'll say at the same time i've talked to former prosecutors about what they make of this and they say, yeah, that's a dumb thing to say in a note but that oftentimes agents will say, look, we know that this guy violated the law. we have the evidence. so if we get him to tell the truth, he admits to it. it's a confession. if we get him to lie, then we can charge him with lying about it. so you're right. that's the way they often think about these interviews. >> but big picture, pete, and that's gotten lost here, it appears michael flynn did do something wrong, correct? it doesn't cover up whether he did something wrong. the question is, how did the government decide to surface that wrongful -- surface that information to prove he did something wrong? >> well, don't take my word for it. take michael flynn's word for it. he admitted to lying to the fbi. so we have that. now his lawyer, he has a new

legal team now and their approach now is that he was somehow tricked into doing this. that's what they have to try to persuade the federal judge here, sullivan. remember, this is someone who has been around washington a long time. head of military intelligence. certainly was no babe in the woods about this. but, you know, chuck, i think maybe you in the setup here really are getting to the main point here. it seems like in one sense the audience is the president angling for a pardon. >> yeah. now that's what this all looks like it's leading to because that's the headline the president wants there. to be able to say there was wrongdoing, and i fixed it with -- i think we know how this story is going to end but we'll wait to see how it unfolds. pete williams with the facts on this story. thank you, sir. katy? >> so, chuck, one of the other stories the president is paying

close attention to in this pandemic beyond michael flynn is his polling. there are new reports out today the president is furious at his campaign over polling that he was showed when confronted by reuters about polling that shows joe biden in the lead. trump publicly responded, quote, i don't believe the polls. i believe the people of this country are smart. and i don't think that they will put a man in who is incompetent. joining us is national political correspondent steve kornacki. steve, we've heard this refrain from the president before, that he doesn't believe polling that is not positive for him. what are you seeing that he might be seeing? >> you can see it right here on the screen. this is the average of all the polls out there right now. when you pair joe biden against donald trump in a general election matchup, that's what you are looking at. the average about a six-point advantage for joe biden. and again, when you take a look at the polling in the key swing states, you see biden

advantages. this is a michigan poll. last week a fox news michigan poll. michigan is a state trump won narrowly in 2016. they have biden ahead by eight there. when you look at florida, trump won that in 2016 by a point and a half. they have biden up by three there. when you look at pennsylvania, a state trump won narrowly in 2016, they've got biden up by eight right there. so, obviously, the polls statewide and nationally have been telling this story of a biden advantage right now. of course, you can remember in 2016, the polls were pretty consistently telling a story of a hillary clinton advantage that didn't hold up when you got to the electoral college. you always have to keep that in mind. one difference we're seeing in the polls now when you compare joe biden and hillary clinton, it's this. let me show you. it's the favorable/unfavorable. the personal popularity. check this out. this is the exit poll. this is what it looked like on election day in the key states in 2016. what you notice is both of the candidates, trump and clinton, were phenomenally unpopular

candidates. 20 points more unfavorable than favorable than trump. we have two very unpopular candidates. and they broke the ones who didn't like each candidate, broke more for trump than clinton. the dynamic is looking different right now at least in the polling. it's this. you see look at this. biden is above water, positive numbers here, in michigan, pennsylvania and florida. nine points more favorable than unfavorable for biden in michigan, in pennsylvania and florida. that's a significant change from where hillary clinton was in the states. and that says a lot about why biden is polling so much better in these states than hillary clinton. right now, he's not as unpopular. not nearly as unpopular as hillary clinton was in these states. the question, of course, it's april. can it hold until november for biden? >> and we saw this in some of the primary results in the exit polling for the primaries we were able to have before this

pandemic hit. steve, i'm really interested to know how the president's performance right now is playing in the polls. how something like -- suggesting injecting bleach into your lungs is playing with voters. he talks about americans not wanting to elect somebody who is incompetent. how are voters seeing his response and voters particularly in places, i was reading about arizona and texas, two states that suddenly people are worried about potentially turning blue because donald trump is not as favorable there as he might be under different circumstances. >> yeah, i mean, i guess the answer is, just look at the polls. we've seen it nationally. we've seen it in the individual states. we've seen it change over the course of the last few weeks as this pandemic in trump's response to it has taken center stage. you have been seeing numbers like this pretty consistently right now. >> chuck, you and i have been talking about this off camera. and this is an example of what i saw during 2016.

voters kept telling me that it doesn't matter who is in office. republican, democrat, donald trump, hillary clinton, doesn't matter. it's not going to affect their lives. some voters, not all, obviously, but some voters, enough of a chunk of voters to sway the election one way or the other. this is an example. this pandemic, of what happens in government directly affecting their lives. the government response directly affecting their paycheck, directly affecting their livelihood. directly affecting their safety. >> one other point that feeds off of this, steve, and katy, and we'll wrap up the segment with this. also in 2016, a group of voters that we didn't track as well as we should have, and we learned this the hard way. where voters that didn't like either clinton or trump and they broke 2 to 1 late for trump. well, our pollsters have been tracking those same group of -- there's a group of voters negative on both, but even

nationally, biden's numbers are better than clinton's on the personalera ra personal ratings. biden is up, but that's another way of tracking what you saw there. it will be important. there are people that don't like either one of them. trump won those voters last time. what about this time? anyway, steve kornacki, a wonderful way to break that down. thank you. up next -- how greece is so successfully fighting the coronavirus and what the u.s. can learn from measures that country is taking to keep its residents healthy. plus, from the running of the bulls in pamplona to oktoberfest in munich, the virus is forcing the cancellation of major cultural events around the world. what this means to local economies and the countless tourists now shut out of what might have been a once in a lifetime trip. you're watching msnbc. when you shop with wayfair,

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greece is the latest european country that is starting to ease its lockdown, emerging as a surprise success story. as of this morning, there have only been 2500 confirmed cases and only 139 deaths reported. with the second oldest population in the eu and crippled economy and health care system, experts expected, frankly, a whole lot worse. so we're wondering, what exactly did they do right? joining us is nbc news

correspondent kelly cobiella with the latest. >> in short, their one tool was a lockdown. and they did it early, and they did it really, really well. you can see when you look at the streets of athens today and all of those beautiful sites, there is nobody on the street. so people who are on the street have permission from the government to be there. there are police officers checking to see if residents have a special pass. you have to text the government every time you step out your front door, whether that's for a walk around the block or a trip to the grocery store or something else. that's part of how they kept people inside. they also started this really early on. they started limiting group sizes in early march and then locking down the country in mid-march, closing all hotels across the country by march 23rd. and this is a country that survives on tourism. it came at a great economic cost, but the tourism minister and others from within the

government have said the economy was never a priority over health. take a listen. >> the epidemiologists mentioned and advised the prime minister, the government, that this was the best way to limit the spread of the disease. in hindsight, they were correct. the prime minister listened to them and decided that we should move early, and we should move decisively. >> it really didn't have the resources to do the extensive testing and contact tracing like south korea did which, by the way, never had to go into a full lockdown. and they've come out of it with thyself just incredible numbers. 139 deaths at this point and a population about 10 million. they are now looking at opening up, and they really need to kickstart the tourist economy. they are hoping to open the country to foreign tourists by july. >> wow. that is impressive. and also, it sounds potentially

risky if you'll have visitors coming in that were not from countries that were among such strict lockdowns. kelly cobiella in greece. i had to do a double take with that headline. i was surprised to hear greece did something right with this virus because in so many cases we see headlines about how greece is falling apart. kelly cobiella, thank you very much. in talking about the opening up of countries, especially to tourists, you might wonder when you can get on a plane again. i'd look to the cancellations happening around europe. octobertest cancelled in munich. so is the running of the bulls in spain. countries may be easing the lockdowns but not everybody is as comfortable as greece is welcoming tourists back in. let's go now to madrid where willem marx stands by waiting for us. what do you have? >> 15% of this country's gdp relies on tourism. they come to venues like this one. this is the cathedral of bull

fighting. la plaza de los toros. 25,000 people come here dozens of times a year to watch hundreds of bulls essentially getting slaughtered in the middle of this arena. this is a $5 billion industry here in spain. we've been hearing from matadors, the tailors and breeders of these animals all asking for money from the government. $700 or so million. this arena is really a stand-in. we've seen the cancellation of the olympics, soccer tournaments across europe, tennis tournaments, golf. all these huge sports canceled. the difference with bull fighting, it divides opinion. there's people here in spain who would be very happy if bullfighting never returned after the coronavirus pandemic. >> willem marx in madrid, thank you. what a sight to see. chuck, back to you.

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things for us. it's questions that i might ask doctors for my own curiosity. katy has the same questions. let me start with this which is, what we've -- what you've learned about treating the coronavirus once you get to the hospital, like it seems we now know laying people on the stomach helps, don't -- it seems as if they're learning actually you can put somebody on a ventilator too soon. so what are some -- what are some of those things that we've learned going forward starting now about treating coronavirus cases that we didn't know when we began? >> hi, chuck. hi, katy. good to be with you. we're learning something every day about this virus, right? we've been saying this all along. it's a novel coronavirus. and while we have some information based on previous coronaviruses that we're able to apply to this one, this is a very different virus. it's very unlike other viruses in terms of all the other clinical manifestations.

i wrote a story about how it has neurologic manifestications including strokes and heart effects. so we're really learning something every day. there's researchers and clinicians and doctors that are observing findings, clinical findings and then writing about it, publishing it and sharing it globally. so a lot of the things we know now about how this virus works and its impact on the human body we've learned from patients that were sick in china. and those researchers and doctors are publishing their data in clinical journals. there's been dutch studies talking about clotting in their icu covid patients. so we're really learning a lot. but i caution the public to not draw any conclusions based on some anecdotal findings. you mentioned people lying on their front and we need to have a large-scale study before we can really draw firm

conclusions. >> what do we know, doctor, about the long-term effects of having this virus? say you've recovered from it. can you expect to be clear -- free and clear from it from now on? or should you be worried about something popping up in the future? >> yeah, before i answer that, katy, you're in grand central right now. i live very close to grand central where i used to be like stuck like sardines with people, so it's just a surreal scene to see literally like nobody there. and i recognize -- i'm kind of happy from a public health standpoint, though, people are listening and avoiding that. so i'm grateful in lieu of the fact we have no treatment and no cure and no vaccine. but to answer your question, katy, the short answer is we don't know what the long-term effects are, right? this is a new virus. some studies that we have seen, we're seeing patients who have recovered who are mostly having kind of lung manifestations. particularly people who have been on the ventilator who have

been intubated. they're experiencing some lung manifestations or scarring of lung tissue. but the virus itself, we're seeing some c.a.t. scan findings of the lungs. but we need to get more data and make sure that it's related back to the virus and not other causes. but we really don't know. having long-term cardiac manifestations? are people going to get more clots or other illnesses? we just don't know but there are a lot of people looking at this very closely and publishing their data. >> dr. roy, my next question has to do with the idea of it going airborne. and we do this when we're showing pictures of mike pence visiting a ventilator factory in kokomo, condition conditioindia president is wearing a mask today. he did not wear a mask at mayo clinic. he did hear the criticism there. here's my question. help me clarify something. there's the idea that the virus

can spread because of droplets. a sneeze. a cough. it travels and lands. and then there are these studies that have indicated it can go airborne and they have found it whether it's on -- that it can be aerosoled, but they've not proven that it can -- that the virus then can actually -- you can contract it via aerosol. so explain the airborne versus aerosol distinction here for us. >> so really good question. and so i think -- so right now, and this has been the story all along, up until now, is that this particular virus is transmitted through respiratory droplets. and respiratory droplets can only go so far. it can go far based on sneezing and coughing and maybe sometimes talking. but that's very different from something that's aerosolized. that's airborne. so like measles, for instance. other illnesses that are airborne.

i've got to say if that's been the case if we have data showing that this is a virus that can then be aerosolized, that has a lot more, say, harsher consequences. and that can be a bit more -- a lot more dangerous, actually, in terms of refining how we define our public health measures. right now we've been saying six feet is enough. but i'd need to see more data proving that before we set off any alarm bells. >> right. and we have not. it's been a couple of studies. i think one restaurant. another office. it's not clear, but it's some concern. dr. lipi roy, thanks for basically being our expert here for this segment. we plan on trying to do this, katy and i, at least once a week, maybe a few more times. coming up, the particularly harsh toll online schooling is taking on kids from lower income homes who don't have either the devices or if they have the

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for millions of american children, school moved online. there is a growing concern that some kids, some less equal or some lower income students, i should say, forgive me, might be saying a greater toll with their learning abilities, some without devices or reliable internet access. some students could lose up to a year of math skills because of the coronavirus pandemic. joining me now is our senior national correspondent chris jansing outside of an elementary school in cleveland, ohio. chris this is a really big concern that some kids might get left behind. >> the warnings are dire. the entire generation's future is at stake depending on the decisions made in school districts like this one.

cleveland, the median income of a family is just over $32,000 a year. so make no mistake, coronavirus has exacerbated every single challenge that kids and lower associate yoe economic communities have. take a look. >> when you hear damon's playing, can you feel the longing for a bigger life than the world around him. for a degree and career in music therapy. but now that dream is increasingly uncertain. >> how does it make you feel? >> i don't know. it makes me feel kind of scared because i don't know if i'm ready to grow up yet. >> the 16-year-old starts his day not by practicing but by helping his little sister study. his family has had to move from the grandmother's house because she works in the covid-19 unit of a local hospital. across the country, a generation of at risk and low income students like damon are facing the prospect of a lost school

year. in cleveland, school ceo knows the families have a lot of challenges. >> are they sad? are they comfortable and safe? do they have proper care? do they have access to the internet? >> when schools closed in cleveland, gordon and his team set up 22 sites for takeout meals for students and their families. distributed learning packets and have 20,000 lap tops for kids in need. >> we have to see you online with our classes. >> but one problem has proven harder to solve. a survey finds that 36% of students in low income schools are essentially truant, not logging into classes or making any contact. >> the students who are the most vulnerable in the classroom are the same students who you cannot contact now. but even wholistically, even as soon as they are engaging in my district, i fill feel like they're going to be left behind. >> we're looking at a recovery that is going to to take a minimum of a couple years. >> the pandemic is taking

another foreseen toll. cleveland schools are 68% black. and people of color have been especially vulnerable to covid-19. so children of color are far more likely to lose a family member or know someone who has. or have a parent with a job suddenly deemed essential and are home unsupervised. >> when i moved to senior year, i want to be able to understand what teachers are talking about. that's a little bit kind of scary. >> what the kids want is the thicks th things that have been taken from them. they have to give back a sense of fairness. >> you seem motionemotional abo that. >> i love this job. they're my kids. i work every single day for all of my kids to have what they want and deserve. >> i keep telling my mom i never realized how much i miss school until i don't get to go to school. ♪ >> and hoping to again make music in a world where his future is back in tune.

♪ >> damon just got a computer and a hot spot because of a program like the one you're seeing behind me. parents are drive up. they can get that stuff. imagine being in a household, katy, where you have two or three or four kids and i've talked to these folks, and they have not a computer, not a tablet, but only mom's phone which they're sharing and then they're running out of data. and so one of the things that eric gordon and other administrators want and they signed a letter to congress, $175 billion to get moving on some of these things to help kids now but also to make plans for the future. and remember this, tax revenues are going to be dropping across the country. educators fear the first things to get cut will be school funding, less money for kids just when they need it most. katy? >> and that's one of the reasons why governors across the country

are looking to the federal government and saying please help us with our budgets. we need to pay teachers and keep our school systems afloat. chris jansing with such an important story. thank you very much. chuck, over to you. >> thank you, katy. this pandemic, this has been an mri for our societal problems. we talked about that one for some time. and now it is surfaced in front of us and n. way that's we now have to solve it. in our next hour, we'll speak with andrew cuomo. he's got a big contact tracing program he is unveiling and we'll be talking to him about the details of that as well as how to make public transportation safe to travel on. you're watching msnbc. to travel on you're watching nbmsc.

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