able to do it because it's not how donald trump is wired and the american people are a lot worse off because of that. >> moral leadership and scientific leadership. thank you, as always. we appreciate it. a programming know. 50 cent is back on the beat. we will talk music, covid, trump and more. excited to have him. ha is tomorrow, keep it here, right now, on msnbc. good evening. no new york, it's been six weeks since the president announced federal guidelines on social distancing to stop the spread of the coronavirus and tonight, the gin lines are going to expire. it's entirely up to each state on how to go forward. when to open, how to open and whether to keep things closed. no states are fully open right

now. but some have been moving faster than others in that direction. according to "the new york times," ten states are in the process of fashlly reopening. 15 plan to follow suit in a week and 25 plan to have restrictions in place along with the district of columbia. the president painted a rosy picture in a radio interview. >> we have a lot of states open up and a lot of governors are feeling like you and i, and want to get going. and maybe they have pout out some the hot spots, embers, whatever it may be. we have to get it going. >> the same time, nbc news reports, no state that is opted to reopen has come close to the federally recommended declines in cases over a 14-day period. today, dr. anthony fauci warned

that the states can rebound in the states that ignore that criteria and reopen too quickly. >> the guidelines are very, very explicit and very clear. but you have to have the core principles of the guidelines. you can't leap other things and get the in a situation where you are tempting a rebound. i hope they don't do that. >> and the crowded beacheses in california has prompted that state's governor to pull back. today he order onned the close sure of the county beaches. conk to "the atlantic" major ya is ree quiring protective gear for businesses opening in that state. forcing people to compete with medical workers to obtain it. nearly 4 million additional americans filed for unemployment in the past week, bringing the total number of jobless claims

to over 30 million. that means around 18% of the work force is currently unemployed. joining me now, tina smith of minnesota, and colvin, senator, let me start with you, the onus is now on the states, the federal social distancing guidelines are going away tonight. the state that you represent is one of the states that has begun taking steps to reopening. i want to put statistics on the screen here. the current state of the coronavirus in minnesota. you can see the overall numbers are low there. 4600 cases, 319 deaths but i know what we were just talking about. anthony fauci saying he wants to see a decline in the increase of cases before states reopening. in minnesota, that is not the case. the case number a week ago was 2700. right now, it's 4600. with your state taking steps to

reopen, are you doing it too soon? >> well, i think what our governor is doing is taking cautious steps. he is consulting with the public health experts and the doctors and following the best practices. and what we're doing here is working. we are slowing the growth and the virus. he had a hot spot down in nobles county where we have a meat packing plant. what is going on in the meat packing plants the is just a terrible thing. we have to take it at step at a time. as you're saying, the virus is going to do what virus does. and we have to use the tools that we have, social distancing, testing, quarantine where it's necessary to slow the progress of virus. >> what you're saying is interesting. you seem to be on board with the approach that your state is taking, your governor is taking. we can tell folks, that is industrial. the office jobs, about 80,000 of

those, about to go back a week ago, recreational areas are open. and retail will be allowed to reopen, curb side. that is the basic picture. but again, the federal guidelines that anthony fauci is talking about is saying states shouldn't be doing any of this until they get a two-week decline in case load. you're saying in minnesota it the can work without that. >> well, i think the most important thing is you maintain the social distancing guidelines that have been laid out. and that is exactly what the governor is doing. what we have seer is a complete contrast in leadership styles. our governor is transparent. he is consulting with everybody, he is laying out how he is making decisions and displaying compassionate and clear leadership. and the president is the making stuff up. he is veering from one side to the other. he is trying to fight a pr war when we have a public health

crisis we are trying to resolve here. >> how are you looking at it with minnesota beginning to take the steps? and curb side, a further step in that direction. the case numbers are increasing and the opening is preceding. what are you looking at data wise? what do you need see data wise to know if it's working or not? >> one of the things we need to take a close look at it, what we're doing here in minnesota with testing. the governor in partnership of the mayo clinic, we need to get to one of the highest per capita in the country. this is a direction that mayor garsetti is taking in los angeles. and i want too make testing free for everybody. we still have such a short coming in the federal government's response in

testinging. when i hear the president say we are doing great, we are still not where we need to be on the federal efforts for testing. we have a long way to go. >> we also have with us here, let me bring in dr. vin gupta, thank you for joining us as well. i don't know if you are able to hear the conversation with senator smith. i want to get your perspective. with the the onus on states to decide whether they want to begin some process of reopening, whether they want to stay closed, you have the federal guidelines that have been out there for a few weeks anthony fauci talked about, he wants a two-week decline. but what is happening in minnesota, and every other state, they are taking the steps without that decline. can you see that as being tenable? >> of course not, steve. and i want to thank the senator for her service and leadership

on the issue. but how do we know that infections are on the decline we are only measuring about 2% of the population at best. we have such a high degree of blind spots here. it's untenable to really understand how can any state meelt this mark of of a decline in cases over the prior 14 days if we're not the mass testing? i'm not going to focus more on the mass testing. the senators have done that. i feel like everybody has said testing, testing, contract tracing, how do we get there? i love what mayor -- there are tools at our disposals that can get us there with federal lead issership. with saliva testing at home. we think that saliva testing out of yale and rutgers is better than the nasal test writing you stick a swab up your nose. we can scale that at home. there are paradigms here for

that in seattle. at home saliva collection is where we should be headed and we need federal government support in regulatory to get it approved to the fda, and number two, subsidies to make sure that samples can be transited to certified labs. that's done. we need that support. to say that it's up to the states, some states have more resources than others to implement this had infrastructure this mass scaling so we have have informed decisions. right now, it's the blind leading blind. we have no idea what is happening in georgia. but the governor decided to open it all up. we think it's irresponsible. in minnesota, you are have responsible leadership. but they have limitations too. we should be focused on the evidence. we should have public health experts be able to tackle the

health issues with the nonsense that is thrown around. >> i want to make sure i'm clear. i want to get your perspective, a difference in georgia and minnesota. you called minnesota r responsible. i want to make sure. minnesota is doing something that is a lesser degree of georgia but they are engaged in opening up the economies in some way right now. and neither of them this is true for every state. none of the states has had the 14-day decline. is it okay if your view for minnesota to be doing this, and other stays to be doing this? >> there is what's aspirational, and aspiration is that we have mass testing and contract tracing up front. the reality, no state has that. no state is meeting that mark right now. do i want us to have a clear handle on what is happening in terms of case infection rates

with confidence so the models can be better informed? of course, i want that. i am sure the senator wants that. but the american people want a safe reopening in phases. and instead of saying no, we can't do that, the question needs to be, how can we do it more safely? to your point, i do they minnesota is wrong in tries to open things up safely? no, i don't think that are wrong. they are thoughtful in ways that georgia is not thoughtful. there is a safe way to reopen. there is a safe path, everybody wears masks, and social distancing is the norm. we need to think about infection control, that is not the message from the top of the leadership. we have a president and the vice president who have feeble policies on wearing masks. it's offensive to my colleagues in public health.

we have to wear masks the second we walk in a clinic or icu unit. vice president pence choosing to be the only person in a photo op not wearing a mask. it's inappropriate. if we say contract tracing, big tech, using the apps. if we're with wearing masks in public that is helpful. social distancing in restaurants that is a safe path. i know the senator feels the same way. >> senator, let me ask you from a different angle. i was taking a look at the debate in your state. there is a comment from a woman who owns a dance education studio for young people. and she said, under the guidelines in minnesota right now, i can't do anything with curb side. i'm not that kind of business here. but i have got to plan where i can social distancing, i can have masks, i can keep people -- but i am barred from opening, and i'm going out of business.

if i can't -- what do you say to somebody in a position like that? >> well, i would say terrible what is happening to small businesses to minnesota and around the country. the dreams, the life bloods of communities and the dreams of people that have been building them for years. we flow in minnesota, the doctor knows, the path to reopening the economy, getting the businesses open, is through a strong public health response. people aren't going to be -- feel safe going to a restaurant or going to a retail establishment unless they know they're going to be safe there, and there are plans to keep them safe. one of the things that is happening here in minnesota, we are learning a lot from businesses that are deemed essential businesses that have continued to operate and learned how to do it safely. we talk about with masks, marks on the floor where they are working, so they can keep the opponent social distancing.

those are the tools. the path is offense going to be through a sound public health approach rather than through just acting as if there is a choice between reopening the economy or putting health first. that is not the choice we face here. >> i mentioned the start of the segment, we had technical difficultieses. jill colvin, thank you for your patience. apologies for the shissues. i want to ask you, the states to decide the course they are going to chart here. the president today had a governor from a state that has been very hard hit with this, phil murphy from new jersey, to the white house to speak with him. what came from that meeting? was there an understanding between them somewhat emerged? >> he was careful when he walked in the meeting. he was complimentary to the president. and the president made a show really bringing in democratic governors and his campaign has been highlights efforts by the

president to work with the two -- to work together. and murphy was really in there with an ask. he have said his state is desperately in need of federal funding. state aid, congress has been discussing. they need between 20 million and $30 million to continue to pay front line workers to be there and murphy was looking for a commitment from the president on that and discussing the complicated process of opening up and testing. it doesn't sound like they came to any commitment from that. but murphy was able to make his case directly to the president today. >> jill colvin from the associated press. thank you for the cameo appearance in the end. sorry for the technical difficulties, senator smith and dr. gupta. and essentiallying fsearche home. are we knee a break through when it comes to a vaccine?

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welcome back. yesterday, doctor anthony fauci announced potentially very good news. in an oval office meeting, fauci, the head of the national institute of allergy and diseases told that a recent study sponsored. and a drug called remdesivir would shorten the duration from the virus from 15 days to 11 days. >> the data shows that remdesivir has a clear cut, significant positive effect in

diminishing the time to recover. it is very important proof of concept. what has proven is that a drug can block this virus. >> while this is good news. it's not the a cure. it represents the first time that any medication has shown the promise of helping patients recover faster from the coronavirus which has killed nearly 200,000 around the world. i'm joined by dr. patel and dr. minor, from stanford medical school. and stanford medicine is participating in two clinical trials on the drug. remdesivir. i'm looking for a layman here. i'm looking for optimistic news. this caught my attention. i see shortens the duration from 15 days to 11 days. in terms of curing people, what

does it mean? >> thank you. good to be with you. i think the result rfs of both trials are proving good. the results of the trial that dr. fauci talked about is a blinded trial. a placebo controlled trial in patients with moderate disease and it did shorten the duration of the disease. from that trial, there was indication that there would be perhaps a reduction in mortality. people treated with remdesivir, but that difference did not reach statistical significance. in addition, the results of an open label trial in patients with more severe disease, a trial led by a doctor who is a fact cu

faculty member here. and showed that a five-day course of remdesivir was as effective as a ten-day course in meeting milestones. both trials do provide reason for optimism that remdesivir with stop the growth of the virus and lead to improved criterion cal outcomes. but neither trial indications remdesivir is a silver bullet. but it's important that we do have a drug that is e effective in treating this condition. >> so dr. patel, the implications of this -- i think one thing that i have been thinking about and hearing the experts talk about is the idea that we may get through so summer okay but in the fall, there could be really big second punch from this thing. there's the idea that potentially we have a window here to find remdesivir, maybe this is promising, other drugs

that can be developed in this time to change the way the fall looks. is that a fair way to look at it? >> absolutely. we are in a race against time. and remdesivir is the first of dozens of treatments in some phase. there will be early read outs from some of the studies, very promising, antibodies, serum, but we will be fighting time. because of the trials will not give us results until much later in the year or next year. but this was a promising signal. it reminds me and probably dr. minor of early hiv research where azt had a similar promising first drug effect and after a series of trials, we learned that was a modest effect. you are seeing the same thing play out with anti-viral treatments with coronavirus. >> on that, the comparison,

people say, that took a long time though. that took years in between there. but it seems like -- again, as a layman here, it seems from my perspective, every smart mind in medicine in the world must be thinking about that right now. is that a fairer assessment? what does do it to get break throughs? >> yeah, i think that -- every smart mind in medicine. you also have the focus of the big pharmaceutical companies, smallerer biotechs, a lot of monetary capital is devoted to discovering and developing more effective prevention and treatment for this disease. i do think that dr. patel is correct. i think the analogy to hiv is appropriate. i hope it will not take as long. we know a lot more about anti-virals today than we did

turning the clock back 20, 30 years ago, but the analogy is a good one. it's showing an effect. but it was only with multidrug regimens we were able to really have the type of benefit for the treatment of hiv and the anti-viral protection that we have today. it took multiple drugs and trials to get to that place and i hope in a more accelerated case but we will need the trials focusing in the outpatient areen in. what we want to do is move in a phase where where expanded testing, we will be diagnosing infection much earlier. we want to be able to offer treatments in the out partial setting that will prevent patients from getting so ill they require hospitalization. i think moving forward, there will be a lot of focus on

testing, developing, implementing it. >> we will talking about drugs for folks who have the coronavirus. there is the question of vaccines. pfizer announced it will test a vaccine in the united states as early as next week. oxford university will pair up to develop and manufacture a potential vaccine if the tests are success. that is the 20 trillion word there, if. talk me through this. i hear the experts say if you get a vaccine in 18 months, within two years that is already light years faster than anything we have done in the past. that would be a wonderful, optistic scenario. i also here from one of the scientists who is working on this at oxford saying we think

24 is it. we think we're going to have it by september. how do you square the two? is there cause for the optimism that would have it faster than 18 months? the >> there is cause to the development of some of the treatments. there is existing work against sars, and the ebola vaccine. they are lessons they are bei building on. i think it's optimistic to say in september we will have a global savaccine. this is exactly and the precisely the moment we need a coordinated effort to have different researches, and have a moon shot strategy. that requires national leadership, sbresinternational leadership. it's going to benefit us to have different companies doing different things.

once we have a vaccine, everyone will want it and we will have the same supply issues with tests and masks. shut it should be something we are spending more coordinated attention on. it's going to take time. >> what you are seeing on that front? you are involved in a trial in terms of cooperation, coordination, how does it work? >> we are seeing unparalleled cooperation and coordination with academics, i agree with dr. patel. it's going to take a coordinated, collaborative approach and it will take multiple shots on goal to work to vaccine development and also work on anti-virals. isn't going to be a single approach that gets us to where we need to be. it will be multiple approaches.

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boom, all of the sudden, we have the number for the first quarter, the first three months of 2020, and there it is. look at that, minus 4.8 and you have not seen a number like that in the gdp since the 2008 meltdown, and the worse news on this, the first quarter of 2008, january, february, march, the coronavirus didn't start wrecking havocking in well into that. the first quarter, partially affected, we are a numbers addais away from those numbers. that is one indicator. we mentioned this at the top of the show. the weekly unemployment insurance claims here. you can track it. this is just about the time here, late march, when you suddenly had the country grinding to a halt. folks being furlowed.

the same way, the same week. last year, a normal number we have been seeing a while now. just over 200 n,000 and then to 3.3 million. and 6.6 million. and 200,000 last year. 5.2 million. 4.4 million. and today, again, the number is down but it's 3.8 million. it was 230,000 a year ago, you have seen in the koursource of weeks, 30 million americans file unemployment. the unemployment rate, it was 4.4%, up .9% when we first checked it. that was a plthmt. ago, we're getting the new one. we will get ready for that.

the one number, we say special, special economic news. weirdly enough, wall street, the stock market, start of the month, this was the dow jones. 20,943. 4,345. it's up. this is the highest one-month increase it's seen in 33 years. got it in the coronavirus pandemic. the big, big drops. wall street has accounted for it. the month of april, you saw it go up. everything else going on this way, at least for now. still ahead, cities have to make very tough decisions trying to balance public health with public well-being. we will ask the mayor of austin, how to make the calls. safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%. - he's right there. - it's him! safe drivers do save 40%.

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moving to reopen. it's a population of more than 30 million, and a stand alone economy that is the world's tenth largest. it has more than 28,000 confirmed cases of the virus. in his announcement on monday, governor abbott emphasised that his order supercedes other orders. i'm joined by austin mayor steve adler. this is what the governor says. to cities and towns and cities like yours. i have seen you quoted expressing displeasure with this. take me through -- you're saying 25% cap paacity at restaurants, movie theaters, i understand that bars are closed. there are a lot in usa certainly. are you uncomfortable with all of this or some of it?

>> i think that everybody is scared. obviously the economy is hurting, and people are looking to see what happens next. but no one knows what is going to happen with the gov nor's order. we have been successful in stopping the virus almost completely. by getting to a place where we have 90, 94% of reduction in virus transmission. we don't know what's going to happen now that the governor is doing this. but we do know from the model is if we drop below 80%, we're going to be back to the second surge we talked about earlier. we have to watch it carefully. i wish we mated another week or two to get contract tracing in place. we are going to monitor it now. we will continue to do the things we can do and as a community, we get to decide a lot of things.

by our conduct, culture and actions in. that is what we will rely on now. >> that's question. it's one thing to say, the restrictions are lifted. business businesses can open. another thing for the owner to decide, i'm going to did that, and another thing for customers, citizens to say, i'm comfortable going out, going in to be a customer again. practically speaks, how much do you they austin will be reopen in the next week? >> i think that most people are going to be pretty cautious about it. i got asked this morning if i was going to be in a restaurant or mall this weekend. the answer is no. and my family won't be there's. everybody has to make their own choices. i was disappointed that our governor said we couldn't make mandatory, we couldn't have pen penalties for people that have face covering.

and he e said we should. and the lieutenant governor said they should. but they are trying to stop the cities from trying to enforce that. i hope that the community just does that. we have gotten used to do inge it now. it will save lives and stop the virus from stratransmitting and hope that peel do not go in businesses that do not require it. i will take that conduct right now. >> you mentioned, you wish it was happening a week or two from now. and it does jsuggest that the state is close to being ready. is that a fair statement? >> you know, different parts of the state are dealing with different challenges right now. and here in austin, i think we are a week or two away from being able to try something. i probably would have started a more limited than what the governor is doing.

but we have learned, the ability to monitor the signals pretty quickly. we know we can shut this thing down and get a handle on it. so every day, we're going to look at hospitalizations, new cases, we're going to be plotting those on the maps and on the trends e to see what curves, and we're going to decide as we start this process what are the triggers that we will see, if things go bad. what are the triggers that will require us to act quickly? and the commune thiity will be to watch the numbers, watch the data. we will follow it together, and we will know how we're doing. i hope the governor's plan works. i hope we don't get the curve. i do anything i can to make the governor successful, and wearing a face covering, i hope others do too. >> we talked about minnesota. doing a more limited version of partial reopening than texas is.

you have the guidelines from anthony fauci saying the states need a two-week decline to begin in his reck dommendation to reo. and texas, georgia, colorado, embarking it on. it just strikes me, red states and blue states are reopening now. it seems like on the ground, the two-week decline is not something that has to be in place. >> you know, i -- we're close to that here. in austin. with the numbers that we see. but again, no one knows the answer. the real critical point is to now have a much better handle on the data we had. the governor has indicated he will wait the too weeks and go to the next phase. i'm concerned about that. that is a two-weeg lag before a

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welcome back. with schools around the country closed for the foreseeable future, many children face a lost school year. a striking new study from the northeast evaluation association which assesses learning throughout the country projects that students will return in the fall with approximately 70% of the learning gains they would typically have in reading and less than 50% of the gains they would usually make in math. nearly a full year behind in some grades. while school systems are using remote classes to try to make up for those learning gaps, not every family has the same

capability to facilitate that kind of education. nbc news senior national correspondent chris jansing takes a closer look at the effect coronavirus is having on one school system in cleveland. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: when you hear damion playing, you can feel his longing for a bigger life than the world around him. for a degree and a career in music therapy but now that dream is increasingly uncertain. >> feels like i have to grow up fast. >> reporter: how does that make you feel? >> it makes me feel kind of scared because i don't know if i'm ready to grow up yet. >> reporter: the 16-year-old starts his day not by practicing but by helping his little sister study. his family has had to move from his grandmother's house because she works in the covid unit of a local hospital. across the country, a generation of at risk and low income students like damian are facing the prospect of a lost school year. in cleveland, school ceo eric gordan knows the families have a

lot of challenges. >> are they sad? you know, are they comfortable and safe? do they have proper care? do they have access to the internet? >> reporter: when schools closed in cleveland, gordon and his team set up 22 sites for takeout meals for their students and families, distributed learning packets and have 20,000 laptops for kids in need. >> have to see you online with our classes. >> reporter: one problem is proven harder to solve. a survey finds 36% of students in low income schools are essential essentially truant. >> the students who are most vulnerable in the classroom are the same students it's harder to contact now. wholistically, as students are engaging, i feel like they will be behind. >> we're looking at a recovery that's going to take a minimum of the next couple years. >> reporter: and the coronavirus pandemic is taking another unforeseen toll. cleveland schools are 68% black

and people of color have been especially vulnerable to covid-19. so children of color are far more likely to lose a family member or know someone who has or have a parent with a job suddenly deemed essential and the they're home unsupervised. >> senior year i want to understand what teachers are talking about. that's a little bit scary. >> what the kids want is the things they feel have been taken from them. i got to figure out a way to give back some sense of fairness where fairness feels stolen. >> you seem emotional about that. >> look, i love this job but they're my kids and i work every single day for all of my kids to have what they want and deserve. >> i keep saying i never realized how much i miss school until i don't get to go to school. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: and hoping to again make music in a world where his future is back in tune.

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across the country hospital staffs are cheering for patients as they head home after recovering from the coronavirus. [ applause ] ♪ ♪ [ applause ] >> those are the scenes you like to see and how about this one? this story might top them all. in new jersey jack's family rolled out the red carpet as the 94-year-old hole caocaust survi headed to queens after weeks of fighting the virus. [ cheers ]

>> that's a great scene there. thank you for being with us and don't miss the exclusive interview with joe biden tomorrow morning 6:00 a.m. on "morning show." don't go anywhere, "all in with chris hayes" is next. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. it is not right what is going on in america right now. it is not right. i mean, all of it, the public health disaster we could have mitigated, the economic devastation, the tens of millions of americans are now facing. specifically, the way this country is now failing to honor with dignity and grace the more than 62,000 men and women we have lost. we have all seen the stories about the overwhelming number of fatalities. at one funeral home in new york 50 decomposing bodies were found