how about a dorm room? they need to start working on those now. >> do you think teachers can realistically do this and school administrators? kids are kids. they're going to want around and be together in school settings. >> that is a very good question, karen. and that's what we -- talking to people all across the state, educators all across the state, you can come up with a plan which is by the way very hard. talking about spacial requirements, if you did this in a classroom, required this in a classroom, how much more space would you need in a building? and then there's the other question of k to 12 and how do i get students not to socially distance? how do i tell a 10-year-old to socially distance? we will err on the side of caution. summer school you wouldn't need to see, in my opinion, a drop or

stabilization of the infection rate for a period of time because kids are going to be kids. i think you're right. >> the schools are going to lose money because we're already talking about cuts. how are they going to manage all of this? if they need more classrooms, they don't even have the money right now. >> you couldn't get more classrooms anyway. youp cot build more classrooms in a way that would have any distance for the summer school or the fall. and money is going to be tight depending on what washington does. and they're doing remote learning. the physical consequences will be mixed because of this period. some ways they save money, some ways it costs money. >> governor, sorry to harp on this, but do you anticipate on pause this week again? >> may 15th is the decision on

pause. >> will you announce it prior to that? >> we'll announce it prior to may 15th. >> also, just to follow up, it's been two months since the first case was reported. you spoke today about what we have accomplished and yet there's 18,000 people dead. at least over 300,000 people sick. how would you evaluate your performance during this crisis? >> tried my best. and good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington continuing our coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. you just heard new york governor andrew cuomo announce schools in new york state will remain closed for the rest of the year. any decisions about summer schools will be made by the end of this month. there's also a big political move regarding joe biden. we will get to that shortly. but we begin with the facts on coronavirus this hour. protesters in california, illinois, new york and new

jersey are expected to rally against stay-at-home orders after a stunning display in michigan thursday night. hundreds of demonstrators, including many armed with rifles storming the state capital to protest against governor gretchen whitmer's continued emergency stay-at-home order. at least 21 states are allowing businesses to start reopening, even though those states have not met minimum federal guidelines. today the nation's mall operator will reopen 31 locations in eight different states. and president trump says he's pushing to fast track a coronavirus vaccine, quote, like you've never seen before. while the fda continues work with the manufacturer of a promising antiviral therapeutic drug to potentially reduce several -- produce, rather, several million doses of remdesivir, which may get fda approval 140 approval shortly, within days, even though it's still in clinical trials. joining me now is nbc white

house correspondent and weekend "today" co-host kristen welker and dr. christian hamburg. kristen, the latest on fighting the virus, you raised questions with the president last night or yesterday afternoon at his briefing about all of the deaths, more than 63,000 people died and he's doing a victory lap. let's play a little bit of that exchange. >> about leading the country though in a moment of mourning for all of the lives lost, the more than 60,000 lives. >> i don't think anybody can feel any worse than i do about all of the death and destruction that's so needless, nobody. but i also have to make sure that we handle the situation well. nobody's thinking about it nor nobody -- nobody has spent more time late in the evening thinking about what's happened to this country in a short

period of time. but at the same time we have to get our country open again. >> kristen, to my ears he was talking about his feelings, him staying up late. he was not talking about the grief, the suffering of all of those families who lost -- who lost so many loved ones. >> i think that's right, andrea. i also think he was speaking about the burden, frankly, that he feels because of the more than 60,000 deaths, because you have an economy in free fall. no secret the economy is key to his re-election chances. i put the question to him, does there need to be a natural moment or day of mourning? and since we had that exchange, no indication that that has been planned. we'll have to wait and see though if that's on his radar, on this administration's radar, but it does come as the president said his focus right now is on trying to fast-track a vaccine.

operation warp speed it's called. yesterday he said he's in charge of that effort the. and essentially it's a public/private partnership where taxpayers would be bearing the burden so drug companies wouldn't be -- and that's an effort to speed through the process to the except possible. that's part of the focus here. the other part of the focus, andrea, is on reopening parts of the economy, the administration's guidelines, of course, ended last night, the stay-at-home orders. so states are beginning to open back up but what we've really seen so far is a patchwork. it's not clear any given state has met the requirements that the administration laid out to enter into that phase one period of reopening, but in speaking to administration officials, they say look, it's county by county. so part of what you have are certain areas that are starting to open back up. but that that is the clear focus here as they watch these economic numbers, which have been so troubling. now, we are going to see president trump a little bit

later on this afternoon when he pays tribute, i'm told, to individuals who have made a difference in their communities. this is not necessarily going to be first responders but it's going to be people who are essentially helping other people out in their own communities, andrea. >> and dr. hamburg, let's talk about the fast tracking of a vaccine and also the quick, very rapid fda approval for remdesivir, the antiviral therapeutic. first of all on the vaccine, how much optimism should we be feeling with all of the claims from the oxford group and others who are working on this that they can actually have something ready to go, ready to be produced by january. >> well, there have been a huge mobilization in the scientific community and industry to try to develop new vaccine candidates and to try to advance the research as quickly as possible, and they've been working closely with regulators and governments to try to really make this all

feasible. but, you know, it is a process that takes time. you can't really push the science beyond a certain point and you have to know about safety. because you're giving back things and helping people. so there has been a lot of consolidation of different steps and a lot more risks being taken in terms of companies not waiting to fully analyze information before they're willing to make big investments and go to the next stage. and some companies are in a slightly better position because they were working on related virus vaccines before this novel coronavirus emerged on sars and mers from the same family of coronaviruses. so that's why there's some optimism that we may be able to accelerate the speed. >> you worked, i know, with dr.

fauci before you were the new york city public health commissioner. you were at the fda working under him. what do you think about the pressure that's being applied on the scientists and whether some of this may be going too quickly for public safety, or do you think that he is true north in terms of sticking to his guns on what should be done and not be done, despite all of the pressure obviously from the white house. >> sure. i worked with him actually at the national institutes of health, at the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases just after i finished my specialty training in internal medicine and had the privilege to be his special assistant. it was during the early days of hiv, and it was kind of a similar situation with hiv/aids where we didn't have real treatments for people who were suffering from a lethal disease, and we needed to think and act in new ways. i think one thing i saw with tony and one thing i'm seeing in

the efforts now is that people want to do things in novel and innovative ways. they want to push the envelope, so to speak. but also i think there is a deep appreciation, certainly, tony fauci, dr. fauci knows this, that you have to maintain scientific rigor. because at the end of the day, no one is well served if you end up with products that don't actually work or products that are not safe and can make patients worse and certainly with a vaccine when you give it to healthy people to protect them from an infection, you want to make sure that you're not going to make them sick or occasionally with certain kinds of vaccines we see the phenomenon, we're giving the vaccine can actually make them susceptible to infection and sometimes make that infection and the disease cause worse. so there are things to worry about, but we also recognize

this has tonds an all-hands-on deck response with every effort to be made to accelerate towards our goal with at least onep safe a and effective vaccine as quickly as possible. >> i wanted to also ask you about remdesivir. the head of gilead sciences, the ceo of that company who produces it, spoke to savannah guthrie today. let me play a little bit about that and ask you about it on the other side. >> we're moving very quickly with the fda. in fact the collaboration with the fda and commissioner huang and the team has been terrific. i expect they're going to add very quickly and we're prepared as a company to make sure we get this medication to as many patients as possible, as soon as possible. >> you were the fda commissioner, so you had the job that stephen hahn now has. >> right. >> this is used in iv capacity for seriously ill patients in a hospital, so is that a safe bet?

because when people are in trouble, you can use things that are somewhat experimental? >> well, this is good news about remdesivir, that in clip cnical studies it was shown to reduce the virus in severe cases. it's a start in showing us we have the ability to make treatments against this coronavirus. and we certainly know something about it, its safety as well as its efficacy. we need to know more about this drug and about this virus, frankly. one of the things that's a concern is with an antiviral drug like remdesivir, which interferes with the replication of the virus, its life cycle, you actually want to get it to patients as soon as possible. so it's good news this has

worked in patients that are quite sick in the hospital. we also need to have antiviral drugs that work and are safe that can be used earlier nmt treatment of disease to keep people out of the hospital. i know gilead, the company that makes remdesivir is, of course, thinking about how to reform late to address that concern. and we need to continue our efforts to discover tests and hopefully be able to improve new drugs for treatment. >> dr. margaret hamburg, it's great to have your expertise. thank you very much for joining us. and kristen welker, we know you will be busy because you have the first white house briefing with the press secretary in more than a year with the new press secretary today at 2:00. that will be an interesting test as well. >> that's right, andrea, caylee

mcny's first pressing. that's right. >> thank you very much. an extraordinary scene on thursday in defiance of the state's lockdown, president trump is criticizing that state's governor gretchen whitmore for keeping an emergency order in place, although her decision is in compliance with the white house's own guidelines. governor whitmer extended the order over the objections of republicans wishing to keep it open. and this is a source of big conflict today and we are seeing this around the country. the president has been praising a lot of these protesters, even though they're going against the guidelines dr. fauci have said are so important. >> and it's a battle that you're seeing my governors have in shates throughout the midwest. here in illinois -- and i will let you see some of the protests

going on. there are about 100 people here, signs they have opened illinois. now impeach pritzker, this is in opposition of the stay-at-home order. it's important to know since yesterday alone it was announced 141 people lost their lives to this virus in the preceding 24 hours. you look at the pictures behind me and we're approaching that number now. what you see is an continuation of these protests and exception of these protests and also legal action these governors have to face. you mentioned the pictures we saw in the state of "mornimichi. you had protesters there protesting the stay-at-home emergency order. governor whitmer asked her state legislature to extend the orders another 28 days. she wanted that to be done through the legislature. the legislate is republican run, and they declined saying they want a more phased opening to

begin may 15th. instead she used her executive orders and the powers she believed she had under her executive authority to extend the stay at home order. and you are seeing other governors do the same thing. >> shaq brewster, new, shaq. coming up next, presidential nominee joe biden speaking out to msnbc and strongly denying the sexual assault allegations from a former senate staffer. ahead what he said and what's nec next for his campaign. xt for hi. adversity came to town and said, "show me what you're made of." so we showed it our people, sourcing and distributing more fresh food than anyone... our drivers helping grocers restock their shelves.

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former vice president and the apparent democratic nominee joe biden has broken his silence. today taking on the sexual assault allegation from a former senator aide in a ground breaking interview one on one with mika brzezinski here on msnbc. biden categorically denied anyone ever accused him of sexual assault or filed a harassment complaint. yet he still believes all women who say they are victims should be heard and their claims should be investigated but in this case, it's been investigated and he says it's just not true. >> would you please go on the record with the american people? did you sexually assault tara reade? >> no, it is not true. i'm saying unequivocally, it never, ever happened and it didn't.

it never happened. >> why not release any complaints that had been made against you during your senate career? >> i'm prepared to do that. to the best of my knowledge there have been no complaints made against me in my senate career. look, this is an open book. there's nothing for me to hide. nothing at all. >> you were unequivocal, mr. vice president, back in 2018 during the kavanaugh controversy and hearings, and you said women should be believed. >> look, from the very beginning i've said believing women means taking the woman's claim seriously when she steps forward and then vet it. look into it. that's true in this case as well. women have a right to be heard, and the pressurigorously invest claims they make. but in this case the truth matters.

in this case the truth is false. i'm not going to question her motives. i'm not going to get into that at all. i don't know why she's saying this. i don't know why after 27 years all of a sudden this gets raised. i don't understand it. but i'm not going to go in and question her motive. i'm not going to attack her. she has the right to say whatever she wants to say but i have the right to say look at the facts, check it out. >> are women to be believed -- are women to be believed unless it pertains to you? >> look, women are to be believed, given the benefit of the doubt, if they come forward and say something happened to them, they should start under the presumption they're telling the truth. then you have to look at the circumstances and the facts. the facts in this case do not exist. they never happened. and there are so many inconsistencies in what has been said in this case. so, yes, look at the facts. i assure you, it did not happen

period. period. >> and one note here, nbc news has been talking to tara reade for the last few weeks, has reached out to her and asked her to respond, to come on camera and to respond to now what joe biden has said. we have not yet heard back. i hope we do. joining me now, jennifer palmieri, former communications director for the obama white house and clinton 2016 campaign. and nbc news correspondent mike memoli, who covers the biden campaign and has been working for several weeks on this story as well. mike, let's talk about what we know. first of all, what joe biden answered and what he didn't, if you think there's anything he did not address today. the. >> well, andrea, i think it's important to lay out the timeline here. because this story has really been developing slowly but steadily over the past month against the backdrop, of course, of this global health crisis that has been dominating everyone's attention. so it begins in march with the

very personal and very politically charged allegation from tara reade, of course, who had worked in joe biden's office in the early '90s. a year ago she had come forward, along with other women, to say joe biden made physical contact in a way that made her feel uncomfortable. but in late march she did an interview at first with a podcaster talking about what she said was an allegation of a sexual assault. the biden campaign quickly denied that allegation but also said reporters should be challenging and vetting this claim, that women have a right to be heard and those facts should be vetted thoroughly. we here at nbc news were among those who did so. well, with great credit to ali vitali, we spoke to tara and also to some of those she said would corroborate her allegation. we produced that initial report on april 12th. at the time what we were reporting was that three of the five people she said she shared this account with, the varying details, did not recall those

conversations. separately we also talked to a friend and another -- a former senate staffer who did say that there was some discussion with tara about an allegation of either harassment or assault. but, again, very clearly, this became a political story. as more and more democrats were being asked about this, including a number of the women who are being considered for vice president. now it's important to note as well, andrea, if we were on the campaign trail, i think you would be among the first on the rope line weeks ago asking the vice president about this. of course, he's in delaware and hasn't been able to address this. he's done a number of interviews but the subject has not come up until today. so now we get to where this is going. the biden campaign today wanted to be forward looking. it's important to know tara reade told us when she filed some sort of personnel complaint with the senate at the time, she told us it was about harassment and not assault. the biden campaign saying today

they were directing the senate to ask the national archives where such a complaint would have existed, to produce it. their view being it wouldn't exist because this did not happen. now we're getting into a discussion about the vice president's personal senate bases, which are here in delaware, at the university of delaware, and the question of whether he should be allowing those to be made public. it's important to note according to the biden campaign, those papers that exist at the university of delaware do not include any perp nesonnel docum. that's where this discussion is going forward, where documentation might exist to corroborate her claim or the vice president's claim that clearly nothing happened in the way that's been described. >> and to both of you, jen palomary, i wanted to play tina chen, who was, of course, michelle obama's white house chief of staff. she was on stephanie ruhle's 9:00 out right here. and this is her reaction to the biden interview.

>> you know, we're in a total moment in our country with candidates are charged with sexual assault and what they need to do is treat them with the seriousness that they deserve. treat allegations seriously and have them investigated. go directly to the people and say -- address them. and call for full transparency, which vice president did today. we need the same transparency, stephanie, for every candidate running for president. >> and, jen, as mike was just pointing out, ali vitali, mike memoli have been talking to tara reade. so far among the five people she said she spoke to contemporaneously 27 years ago, only one recollects a conversation. three said no recollection. only one, and would not let us use her name, does recall a sexual assault allegation back then from tara reade. but none of the others do. her brother spoke to two other news organizations, and initially did not recollect it at the time as she describes it now and then called back to

supposedly clarify. so there are a lot of variations in the sourcing for this that we've all been working through. >> yeah, and as you know, andrea, i have been through situations like this from inside the campaigns on many, many times. let me give you an assignment of probably where the biden campaign thinks they are. he had to address this. serious allegation. he did it. i think if you're the biden campaign, we think he did it well this morning but we're not going to resolve something like this in one interview. we now have differing accounts. he said his version of accounts. it didn't happen unequivocally. so we're all looking, the press is looking for records. where do you go for that? you go -- biden rightly pointed out, you go to the senate office where somebody would file a complaint like this. i am not an expert on the timeline here but i believe tara reade said she did file a complaint with the senate office. and this is protected from

senate personnel offices in order to protect the staff, give them a space to go to that's outside of their office. so that is the right place to look for records and that's what the biden campaign said they're going to do. it also happens there are the university of delaware records and press don't like one answer in one day. they want to fish for more. so now they're asking about the records in delaware. i've had some experience helping politicians wrap up their elected official records and i think biden is right, they're not likely to contain any kind of personnel records. that's not what they're about. they're about the senators' papers, they're about the senators' legacy. but i think that's why we're in the situation now where you have people calling and talking about the delaware records. but the first case -- the first place to go is in fact the senate office that he has asked to look at. not just whether there's a complaint for tara reade but whether there's any complaints. i think tina chen is right and

that's asking for full transparency. >> jen, there were, i believe, two major national interviews joe biden did since this first arose and a number of local television interviews in the past two weeks where no one asked about it until today. and mika brzezinski, she went after the issue and the questions over and over for 20 minutes. >> yeah. >> do you think against that, and against the fact that the president of the united states who he's going to presumably be running against has at least 12 credible sexual assault allegations he's denied but this is being flogged really continuously by the trump campaign, by don jr. how did this become a campaign issue, briefly if you can. >> yes, biden handled it the way you're supposed to. he has spoken to it directly and there is a record that you can go and check and he said that

record should be checked and he's said you should release all of that. that is what you want someone to do. donald trump has done none of that except to say that all of it is -- nothing ever said bad against him is true. so i'm sure the trump campaign will try to use -- they've already started to use this. but biden -- biden needs to give his supporters the assurance and americans are open to voting for him that he's dealt with this. i think he did really well today. they're not going to get over the story in one day but i believe they're on the path to doing that. >> jen palmieri, mike memoli, thank you both so much. joining us now, democratic senator tim kaine from virginia, who serves on the foreign relations and armed services committees. and he was the vice presidential nominee, of course, in 2016. he's endorsed joe biden for president. i want to ask you about intelligence, wuhan and a lot of

other things. and what's happening in virginia. because you're a former governor. but let me ask you to follow up with your reactions to the joe biden issue whether you think he can get past this, whether there's any way that he can support his denial and prove that this allegation is false, if not correct? >> andrea, i think he's going to be able to get past this in the minds of the voters. i do think the trump team will had do whatever they can -- >> and i think we're having problems connecting with senator kaine. we're going to try to get that back as quickly as possible. we're going to take a quick break and try to re-establish from senator cane, former governor and vice presidential nominee too.

senator tim kaine of virginia. sorry to have lost you for a moment there. i was asking you about joe biden and whether you think his campaign can recover from this situation. >> andrea, i think he can in the eyes of the voters. i have no doubt the trump team will continue to try to do something out of this because they're very desperate right now. but the vice president said in no uncertain terms this did not happen. the staff, leadership, men and women who work with him in the senate have the time saying this never happened and there was never a complaint filed. a number of press organizations who have done fantastic work in

outing claims of sexual assault and harassment against democrats, republicans, politicians, entertainment figures, have investigated this significantly and have not found it to be substantiated. and now we have in the vice president's statement this morning a pretty clear direction, if there was a complaint filed, the staffer said that she filed a complaint. she has her entire personnel file, but does not have the complaint. but if it was filed, it will be at the national archives with a reference of the perp nesonnel office that handled the complaints at the time. and he wants the ar kiefchives anything that would regard that complaint. he feels confident there's nothing there. i think anyone who filed and has an allegation like this has to be taken seriously. yes, reporters should dig into it. yes, we should get the files from the archives. but i think he will be able to get by this in the minds of

american voters. >> and senator, i do want to also ask you about this extraordinary and unusual public written statement from the director of national intelligence saying that the coronavirus was not had, quote, manmade or genetically modified. and then president trump contradicting it, an hour later contradicting his own head of national intelligence. let me play that for you. >> right. >> the director of national intelligence today put out a statement it was naturally occurring and not manmade. >> who was who that that said that? >> the office of the national director. my question is have you seen anything at this point that gives you a high degree of confidence that the wuhan institute of virology was the origin of this virus? >> yes, i have. >> what gives you a high degree of confidence that that originated from the wuhan

office? >> i can't tell you. i'm not allowed to tell you. >> he's contradicting his own di. >> and you know rick allen is a complete trump loyalist. he's not somebody who ever departed from president trump. so here's where this is right now. the intelligence suggests this is not a manmade, genetically engineered virus. there's no evidence that it is. they're still looking to see whether it might be a natural virus that mistakenly or accidently was released, but they have not reached any conclusion to that effect. most scientists believe that's not the case. it's still being investigated. but for the president to go up and contradict rick grenell and say he's seen evidence it was released by the chinese, this is part of a pattern of this president in my view being willing to break the truth to deflect from his own problems. he's very, very much under the microscope right now for the abysmal performance of the

administration in at least two ways -- denying this was going to be a problem, which caused america to lose six to eight weeks and then horribly botched testing that allowed the u.s. to be way behind other nations on trefting. president trump is trying to deflect the blame and state it's somebody else's fault and that's why he's stating these things in the press conferences. >> i want to ask you about the d.c. mayor saying there are more infections here in the district, this is becoming a hot spot. it's on the rise, not plateauing at all -- >> is right. same thing in virginia. >> and the house not to come back next week on the advice of the senate physician. but now mike lee has tweeted that some of his colleagues in the senate are really concerned that they won't survive the process of doing what they were hired to do, that perhaps they should consider another line of work or stay at home for a few weeks and explain to their constituents why they can't go

to work and convince the american people they don't need new legislation. alternatively they can ask president trump to invoke the section of the constitution about bringing them back. in any case, what do you think of that? it seems he's taking a shot at senator feinstein rks w, who sud to mitch mcconnell not to come back given the danger here. >> andrea, here's the issue -- >> what do you think about this suggestion? >> yeah, here's the issue, senator mcconnell said we're coming back but generally not to take up coronavirus matters. you know, he's saying we don't need to rush into coronavirus matters. he wants to take up unrelated business. i think the nation would want the senate working on response to this global pandemic. so why is senator mcconnell saying we're going to come back and vote on nine controversial nominations instead of doing the real work we need to do? that's number one. but here's what i'm doing, if

the senate is back in session, i'm going to be there but i will not make my staff violate a public health order. the mayor of d.c., the governor of virginia, the governor of maryland have said that everyone should work from home if they can until may 15th in the district. that's the date right now. i'm not going to tell my staff to violate a health order and endanger themselves. and i think it's unfortunate that senator mcconnell is making the capitol police and groundskeepers and people who work in the food service come back in violation of that global order. it's endangering the health of many, many people. so what i'm going to do, i will come up and be in my senate office next week and have my staff support me via telework virtually electronically but i will not make them risk their health in violation of the global order. >> senator tim kaine and former governor of virginia, of course, thank you very much. thank you for being with us

today. >> absolutely. glad to be with you. meanwhile, millions of americans are stuck at home trying to stop the spread of this coronavirus as they've been told to, and desperate for professional sports to presume. but how major league baseball and the nba can do this safely remains a very big question. we're so happy to be joined by bob costas, hall of fame broad cater who is now a host and play-by-play announcer for the mlb network. i can tell you in our house, we're watching reruns of the world series because we miss baseball so much. >> right. >> and the other night watched "a league of their own" because we missed baseball and tom hanks saying there's no crying in baseball. tell us what we can do and how can this be done safely. >> first of all, this is my homage to the jackie robinson era brooklyn dodgers. i don't think it brings baseball back but reminds us. i apologize for the makeshift situation here. the wi-fi is down in my house

and this is the best we can do. >> any bob costas is better than no bob costas. >> is i appreciate that. everything comes back in some sense to covid-19 these days and that includes sports. the nba would like to finish its season. theoretically i don't know exactly what plan they will land on but the nba and nhl could say we will base it on where the record season was suspended and go straight into the playoffs and get it done in short order. the nba is talking about north dakota, isolate in one place and take care of it quickly. baseball needs to play a minimum number of games to have a valid regular season. so there are various plans being voted, and i won't bore you with the details, but none of it can happen unless and until they're certain that public health has been taken properly into account, and also, this is important, that the athletes, the team owners, everybody

involved hasn't jumped the queue when it comes to testing and other aspects of this, while other members of society who may need it more are still waiting for it. and they're sensitive to that. there's public relations as aexpect, public health aspect and baseball aspect, how many games are necessary to have a valid regular season and what kind of postseason format can we come up with just for this year only so we have some sort of championship? >> so if there were 100 games let's say and they were played, it's been suggested someplace in arizona to minimize the travel, the distances, without fans but with television, could something like that be valid? and how would with their stats match against the history of baseball statistics? >> the season would have an asterisks next to it. it would be understood. maybe they crown a batting champion but in a compressed

game if someone hit .400, nobody would say they duplicated what ted williams did in 1941. i think they would have to play around half the regular season games and proceed to the postseason. there was one plan that started out with arizona, because you have spring training facilities there. but think of the searing heat in the summertime in arizona. then there was arizona and florida. you got heat and humidity there. and then texas was thrown into the mix. there's one plan apparently being tossed around -- i don't know which of them are at the top of the list, but one now where all 30 teams would play out of their home cities because it's difficult to quarantine these people for that long a period of time. they're young adults with young families in many cases. so they play in their hometowns but they wouldn't play in their normal divisions. you rearrange he ththem geographically, ten teams for each reason. yankees and dodgers would wiped

wind up in this period of time in the same division. minimize the travel. at least at the outset there would be no fans. and then they play some kind of postseason. and then the idea would be at least they're playing for television, they're collecting some television revenue. people would watch and accept it under these unusual circumstances and you would have something, rather than what we have now, which is just waiting around. >> even tony fauci, he did an interview with ryan zimmerman -- he's a big baseball fan, and also was a high school star basketball athlete. >> yes. >> against fordham prep. so who knows? obviously public safety is the most important thing but we -- particularly i -- miss baseball. >> yes, we all do. this is not being sent to the broadcasting hall of fame. >> right. it's the amr's hall of fame.

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effort? >> thank you. i am so -- you are already doing it by giving us a chance to talk about it on air. i should say that the original idea, it is only fair and appropriate that this concept be extended to all essential workers. basically, we have a significant ethics dis -- we have some groups of people disproportionately bearing the burdens of the pandemic, and also the burdens of the response. they are risking their lives. in some cases they are losing their lives so that we can go on with our lives. that's morally just hugely problematic. so there is many thing that we need to do to try to at least in part mitigate to imbalance. one of course is to give our workers the safest possible environment. it is another conversation how we have in many instances failed

in that to our intention workers. there are lots of things that we need and should be doing. at least one of the things we need and should be doing is to recognize that it would be horribly among if we were to leave the families of essential workers and the essential workers themselves to handle on their own the financial burdens that will -- that do inevitably come when an essential worker becomes seriously ill with covid, and god forbid, when an essential worker dies. so the idea here is that among the things -- not the only thing, but among the things that that all of the rest of us owe our essential workers is at least assistance with the financial burdens of serious disease and death. how would this work? the ethics case i think is clear. the mechanics are always a bit challenging, but we have a phenomenal precedent. that's the public safety

officers benefits and education assistance law. it is a bit of a mouthful. it has been on the books for i think 50 years. and that law provides benefits for family members of firefighters and police who die in the line of duty. and we can pattern this fund very much on that existing federal law. >> ruth, thank you for beginning the conversation. let's continue it as we proceed. such an important topic. that does it for this edition of andrea mitchell reports. chuck todd and katy tur will pick up our coverage after a break. before we go we want to bring you this salute toe front line workers. stay safe from adam lambert and queen ♪ we are the champions, my friend ♪ ♪ and we'll keep on fighting

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good afternoon. i'm chuck todd. here are the facts as we know them this hour. the global shutdown continues to half cascading consequences. u.s. manufacturing fell to its lowest point in more than a decade last month. the industry makes up about 11%, that sector excuse