good afternoon. i'm chuck todd. here are the facts as we know them this hour. the global shutdown continues to half cascading consequences. u.s. manufacturing fell to its lowest point in more than a decade last month. the industry makes up about 11%,

that sector excuse me, makes up about 11% of the entire u.s. economy. employees at some of the country's largest retailers planned a national circumstanceout today they are doing it in coordinate with what is known as international workers day, also may day. lack of benefits, unstable schedules and potentially unsafe working conditions are what they are protesting. the world health organization says the organization has not been asked to participate had the origins of china's covid. while the u.s. government says the virus was not man made. there are some questioning whether the virus could have accidentally emerged from a lab that was studying coronaviruses from wuhan. governor cuomo announced today he will be closing all new york schools for the rest of this academic year. both secondary and ufers and more than 2.5 million k-12 students will continue to remote

learn. i am joined by my co-anchor for the next couple of hours, katy tur. it feels as if today it is may 1st. yesterday the lockdowns ended. april of 2020 is going to be known as one of the worst months in american history. i don't think we have fully comprehended this. the death toll in the month of april alone, everything that happened -- just we will look back and that month will be -- will be a dire month for us. it will be known as something -- april 2020, it will be something we all know. here we are today. and about half the country is trying to reopen. it is going to be an interesting experiment. >> yeah, it is and -- it's not -- so far none of the states have complied or followed the guidelines that the white house has offed on what you need in order reopen safely. the two-week decline in cases and hospitalizations. the reopenings are slow, chuck.

i am really stuck on what governor como announced today that public school or schools are not going to reopen in new york city. the school year was supposed to enon june 26th. basically two months from now. it makes me wonder if that means that parents are not not going to go back to work if at least then and then what that could mean for the summertime as well. >> and that, this opening up, it is like, okay, there are some people who think you have got open up the schools last because of what a spreading situation you might have. there are others who say if you want to get the economy going you need to get the schools ready to go first. so there is also sort of a mixed messaging being sent by that, depending on where you live and what entity you talk with. speaking of this, let's go to michigan, where a political standoff is under way. and president trump is weighing in yet again. the democratic governor, gretchen whittmer just

exextended the state's mm declaration until the end of the monday of may, may 28th. but the republican-roled state legislature as well as armed protesters, would like the see michigan back open for business. joining me now from west bloomfield, michigan, just outside of detroit swdiv's rod maloney working for an nbc affiliate. rod, this really seemed to escalate and woe got those vivid pictures of actual -- actual armed protesters. it was a little bit of a scary sight. >> reporter: well, one of the things that happens with the protests around the capital in lancing is that michigan does have an open carry law. there were many open carry advocates who take every opportunity to protest in lansing with ar-15s hanging from their chest. you can see that not just yeth idea but on a fairly regular basis.

they were particularly prevalent yesterday. they were not the group that actually put on the protest. it was called michigan united for liberty was the name of the group. it was odd that they went to try to get on the house floor. that's video that we shot yesterday. in fact, it went viral. it has had like 12 million views, where they were trying to get onto the house floor. michigan state police and the sergeants at arms were preventing them from getting in. part of their frustration was the fact that the gallery upstairs, which is where they would normally sit, because they were social distancing a lot of the representatives and us in the media in the back, they had a video room but that wasn't good enough for them. they were angry, upset and wented the governor to know they feel she has been slow walking her reopening of the state and the economy is suffering as a result. >> rod, how far apart are the legislature and the governor here? are they retorically fighting

but they are really close here? it is really a small disagreement they have on how to deal with the closures? or is it a wide gulf? >> reporter: it is a wide gulf, no doubt about it. they are going to be in court probably next week, chuck, as a result of this. because here's how it is playing out. the legislature is saying to the governor, look, you have got to love this along. we have got to get much of the state open. we have 25% unemployment rate right now in the state of michigan. we need to get the economy open. the governor is saying, oh, no, we don't. there are two differing laws in the state of michigan that are kind of juxtapositions in that one says that the governor has the power to unilaterally declare a emergency. the other one says not. the governor asked for under the last one to be able to extend her state of emergency, asked the legislature to do it. they said no. she said well then fine, if you don't want to let me, i will use the other law and say i am going

to keep the state closed. so there is a lot of frustration, particularly in the republican-controlled legislature, that she has been overstepping her bounds. and they would like to see an end to that right away. >> he will with, it sounds like the courts are going to resolve this. if you have courts resolving it, that would be the definition of a wide gulf, i would say, between the governor and republican legislative leaders. rod maloney thank for taking a couple of minutes with us. rod with one of our great affiliates. thank. one industry that will be a key part of how states reopen is retail. today the nation's largest shopping mall operator simon property group is operating 38 malls across eight states. allison barber joins us from greenville. what are you seeing. >> reporter: we are positioned just across from the mall. we aren't able to get all the

way down on the property to report from there. this mall opened two hours ago. in the morning it looked like maybe the only people we were going to see here today were employees. but within 10, 15 minutes of it opening we saw a line start to form of about two dozen people waiting to get inside. now there are at least 200 cars here. i was able to see a little bit inside the mall. it is unlike anything i have ever seen. at the beginning, at the front of the door you can see what looks like a handful of security guards, mall employees using some sort of infrared-like system to take people's temperatures as customers are walking into the mall. there is no seating to be found anywhere. seating where you would have -- where it is a booth, say, pushed up against a wall, where it can't be removed they have taken the cushions out so people don't have the option even sit down. simon properties are opening malls in eight states today. they say they will open more than monday.

they have a long list of guidelines that they have given to all of their employees. they say any employee, any contractor working on mall property must be wearing a face mask. they have redone the walking pattern so that people can walk in one direction, all in one direction on one side, the opposite side goes the opposite way. security will row mind people to practice social distancing. they will make announcements over speaking so people don't forget. some people say it is still not the right time to reopen large shopping centers like this. they say shopping is not an essential business. we spoke to one worker who told us that she is terrified to go into work. she said she feels like she is being forced to choose between her income and her health. katy. >> allison barber, thank you very much. i guess the real test of how the general population feels about all of this is whether or not they show up to shop. ohio begins its phased

reopening today a day after mike dewine extended the stay at home order. they have one of the largest coronavirus prison outbreaks in the country. at marion correctional institution, nearly 80% -- 80% of its inmates tested positive for covid-19. five inmates and one correctional officer have so far died from the virus. joining us now from outside the marion correctional institution is msnbc senior national correspondent chris jansing. i will blown away by that statistic, chris, that 80% of the population tested positive. >> reporter: without a doubt. and the real problem here is that the vast majority of them were asymptom addic. there was a press briefing with the governor, with the head of the corrections department, the head of the health department. they knew from the beginning that they had to keep the virus out because once it got in, it would spread. but that's exactly what happened. this prison, another about an

hour from here, pickaway are the two big hot spots. together they have about 2500 positive cases. as you said, 80%. combined they have 27 prisoners who have died, two staff members, and now they are five other preference that they are concerned about. and when the govern or was asked, how lickly is it that there is going to be a spread there, he didn't sound particularly optimistic. here's what he said. >> what has been explained to me is that once the virus gets into a prison that has the congregate living, it is very, very difficult -- we have seen this despite all the best practices and good measures in several of our prisons. >> reporter: so corrections officers have described the situation from frightening to utter chaos. yesterday the governor said he has sent another 1.1 million ppe.

and they are also offering free hotel rooms to any corrections officer who doesn't want to have to go home to their family. 50% of the corrections officers here have tested ght outside th is a sign that says "now hiring corrections officers". >> wow. chris jansing. thank you for that. chuck, it is just extraordinary, if you take that, and use that prison population, and try to branch it out to the rest of the population. 80% tested positive. as chris said, so many of them were asymptomatic. we just don't know how many people are walking around right now that have the virus and are potentially spreading the virus but don't have any symptoms. it makes those fever checks that we saw for the protesters that were going into the michigan state house useless seemingly, because the person might not have a fever but also might still be positive for coronavirus. it is just right now impossible to tell. >> we understand why the governor is not optimistic about

this -- another prison, once you start having a little bit in. i -- we haven't done this math yet, but i am pretty confident that a majority of states, their largest outbreak is in one of three places, a senior facility a meat processing plant, or a prison. what do all three have in common? right? a lot of people packed into a small space. and obviously, with the senior centers, the added issue of a more vulnerable part of the population. i think we are seeing a pattern. the question is how do we create strike teams to solve? we are tackling the prison issue after it break out, the processing issue after it breaks out, nursing homes, after it break out. we haven't figured out how to prevent any of this yet. >> chuck hold on. let's bring in when we are going to be talking about, schools and colleges going into session and dorm rooms. we avoided a massive outbreak at

college dorm because they haven't been there. what happens when the college reese open in the fall? how do you keep the virus from spreading when you have hundreds of students all in a small space? >> no doubt. well, like i said, you and i can keep talking about this or we can bring in a person with -- well-degreed to talk about this. let's bring in the senior scholar at the johns hopkins school for health security. doctor, it does seem as if -- i want you to sort of -- it's pretty clear, in a closed space a crowded space, we have got evidence of the "uss roosevelt" we have seen it in a meat processing plant. we have seen it in prisons. we actually are starting to get an idea, correct me if i'm wrong, of what an asymptomatic rite rate might be if you just isolated those experiences, perhaps. there something to be gleaned? >> we trying to understand what the full spectrum of illness is.

we are finding out up to a third or even more of patients infected with this coronavirus don't have any symptom at all. how contagious they are and under what circumstances they are contagious is important to know. it is important to know there are asymptomatic cases out there because it helps us understand the hospitality rate and death rate is which are two variables affecting our policy making. >> i have a question whether this virus is mutating. what are doctors and scientists seeing about mutation, if it is happen? what would that mean for a vaccine or what would that mean for people who might have recovered from this virus? >> it is important to remember that all viruses mutate. most mutations don't do anything functionally to the virus. it depends on where the virus is coming from, who they got it from, looking a of the the listenages. the real issue is does the mutation cause it the evade a

vaccine? we have coronavirus vaccines for cows and avian species. those have been spabl. this is generally a virus that doesn't mutate as much as influenza or hiv. there is not a concern that we are going to get a mutated coronavirus that evades our vaccine or our treatments. it is important to check where they are going, but i am not worried about it being something that escapes vaccines. >> doctor, we are seeing this sort of soft opening in about half the country. and it is -- and where there is openings, it is being done in an incremental way. but none of the guidelines that were first put out seem to have been met before these reopenings are happening. what is the time line that you are going to be looking at to see if we did this too early or if we have done this just right? >> we have got to look at the incubation period of this virus and look at the number of cases that occur. we have to except that any place you lift social distancing you are going to see increased

cases. that's not the metric we should use. we know we are going to get increased cases. we are trying to prevent hospitals from going to crises, exceeding hospital capacity. that's what i am looking at. we are going to look at that six to 14 days after things are changed. if that looks okay, then you can kind of continually peel back things more. there are places that have such hospital capacity that were spared that took preparations that got their hospitals systems ready to test and trace. there are places across the country that can be quicker than other places. there is going to be hot spots like new york and new jersey where it is going to be very difficult to do this. it is not going to be one size fits all. it is going to take some time before we get to whatever our new normal may be. >> doctor thank you for coming on, sharing a few minutes and your expertise with our viewers. much appreciate it. up next we will have an

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there is growing concern about the health and safety of essential workers at meat processing plants after president trump signed an execute order keeping the plants

open. the question these plant owners face, how to meet demand while keeping their employees safe. our nbc news affiliate knwa, chad mira was given rare access inside tyson's springdale arkansas plant in northwest arkansas to see what measures they put in place to protect employees and how they compare to cdc guidelines. chad joins us now. >> reporter: churk, et ceteck, at this tyson plant in springdale they are doing a number of things to protect their employees. this tent is extra space for the employees to spread out more while on breaks. what you are about to see is concerning, along the processing line especially, employees sending shoulder to shoulder, at times bumping into each other. no par positions around each

other. 6500 of these essential workers now with covid, 20 plus deaths, now you understand why they are considered about high risk. several questions about my health, some hand sanitizer a mask, and a temperature check. 97.9. that got me lieu the door. now on with the tour alongside the president of poletry, chad martin. >> some of the comments we heard was you are he leading in the industry. >> reporter: in the break room, employees cleaning around the clock. partations are new. this outdoor tent is also new, given employees more room to spread out during their breaks. >> we are improving to prevent exposure happening within the facility. >> reporter: next, there is more gear. we wash our hands, and head in to see the processing lines. this picture from the cdc shows what they recommend. it says if feasible space

workers six feet apart in all directions ideally so workers aren't facing each other. chair that to what we saw sod workers next to each other and across from each other. partitions separate some of them but not all. we asked why. he pointed to mitigation efforts. >> we continue to work to improve in this area to make it the best to protect our team members. >> reporter: what happens when a worker does get sick. >> if they are identified through our thermal scanner they are sent home and asked to communicate with their local health provider. >> reporter: martin says they note all close contacts of a covid-19 confirmed patients but not everyone. the cdc says exposure could occur from contact with contaminated surfaces or objects, such as tools, workstations or break room tables. given the number of workers sharing workstations and break rooms we asked if everyone

should be notified of a case. >> we will be open and transparent with our team, but being able to have each individual data point communicated at that exact time is very difficult, inc., given the nature of the situation we are in. >> reporter: tyson won't confirm the number of cases at the facility but martin said the facility hasn't had to cut back on protection. i brought up the issue about the lack of pour tigss to three tyson official that day, i was event ally told they will install more. of course there is another side of the story, too. we saw the letter from the chairman john tyson saying the supply chain is breaking. we have seen plants having to shut down due to coronavirus outbreaks. operating at decreased kpapts due to absenteeism. i am told this plant is working at full capacity. but after seeing that video you have to wonder can they still

work at full capacity and keep their employees safe. >> a terrific report there, chad. ka katy. i guess there is good news at that individual plant. once again i think we saw i think another outbreak. i believe it is indiana now where their largest outbreak is a meat processing plant. we haven't cracked the code yet. that's pretty clear. >> no, no. what a fascinating look, though, inside that plant. >> it was. >> and props to chad mira for pointing it out wasn't following the cdc guidelines and following up repeatedly with tyson in order to get those pour tigss. as he said there is still a lot of people working in there. let's follow it up through the supply chain or down through the supply chain. in a new report through the cdc they found 5,000 workers have been diagnosed with covid at 115 meat or poletry processing facilities across the country. an independent watchdog group

monitoring the meat packing industry says that count is much higher putting the count ator in loo 6000 and saying 30 workers have died. this is causing a ripple effect already being felt at grocery stores. we go to green acres in seem 'valley. tell me what customers are seeing on the shelves there, and how this outbreak is impacting meat. >> reporter: katy, i want to start by echoing what i have heard, what i have been bludgeoned by from industry experts in covering this story. starting off by saying that the american food supply chain is not broken. there are certainly bottle necks. there are certainly shortages, there are certainly disruptions by all of this. but it is not broken. nobody is predicting that at any point anybody watching won't be

able to walk into their local supermarket and find cuts of meat. it may mean that specific cut of meat you were looking for for dinner you may have to go another mile to another grocery store that has another supplier. or it may mean that as we have become acouncilmembered to with hand sanitizer and toilet paper you may have to time it so that you are in the store when the truck is arriving. it may also mean that the price of meat is going up. evidence of that is happening. we are at green acres here in seem 'valley. i spoke to the owner who has been in business over 50 years. he says that the price of beef right now is up at least 30%. which means unfortunately he has to charge his customers more and he is thinking about doing what other local businesses have been doing here in southern california, which is limit the amount of meat that people can carry out of the store. he says that's something he has never done since he has been in operation, something he doesn't want to do. but that this is unprecedented. listen to what he says about the

crisis. >> i want to be here for my customers. and their king to me. so i want to keep meat in the counter. so i have to limit it to keep meat in the counter to supply my customers, i will do so. it is just a fact of life that -- i have never seen this in my life. i have been in the business over 50 years. >> reporter: the bigger crisis may be for farmers who have obviously all this livestock that can't be processed. they have to make the tough decision about euthanization. as we have been previewing the workers in plants in tight quarters dealing with this crisis. it is an astronomical situation that will impact consumers but not to the degree in which we think the supply chain is broken at least to this point katy. back to you. >> i think people imagined they would be experiencing some form

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starting today, nine states are lifting some restrictions on restaurants with four others to start on monday.

while widespread reopenings are still a long way off, many owners have started thinking about how a post pandemic restaurant might work, that is when people feel safe enough to start eating inside restaurants again. joining us now is ray blanchett, ceo of tgi fridays which has over 850 locations across the united states. ray, thank you so much for coming back to us. i am sorry about the audio issue a couple of days ago. it is good to have you. >> it is nice top here. >> the question i asked still stands. there are a number of states that are reopening but you said you don't want to be on the front lines of the reopening. why is that? >> well i just want to make sure that we are 100% prepared. we have a big footprint in asia. so we have some experience. we have been reopening restaurants in korea, taiwan. but for me, you know, we try and weigh everything. i mean, it is really not the governor's job or the president's job to protect my

team members and my guests. that's my job. and you know, we are going sort of fast follow when we see that it is safe and we believe that we can safely serve guests while also protecting our team members. >> what have you learned from your restaurants in asia? how will you be doing social distancing here? >> well, we know, for us it is going to be kind of state by state, town by town. the rules around reopening are different everywhere you do business. we are going to have a great deal of social distancing. what you are going to see -- we have done thing like very quickly get our menu onto a place mat which will serve as a single use menu, also a place where they can put their silverware. you will see basically signature cards that tables have been sanitized. we are going to space things out so that we exceed the standard

that's established around six feet. i think ours will be a little greater than that, at least initially. but i do believe there will be a way for us to serve all of our guests safely while protecting team members. >> do you have a single restaurant or a single state that you are leopen sooner than others? >> texas, where we are based, opens today. the state opened today. we are not opening today. we expect to open mid to -- early to mid next week with some of the slower weekdays. we didn't want to open on a friday to a packed house while, you know, we have brand-new standards of service. i thought that would be dangerous. so we are going to continue to do curbside pickup over the weekend. and then early next week, we'll open texas, which is a corporate market for us.

>> chuck, i believe you have got a question as well? >> yeah, ray, i would love for you to play restaurant analyst for us here. look, you are a big company. you've got probably a little more flexibility to handle 25% occupancy. but put yourself in the position of a single or maybe a two-restaurant small business owner at 25% occupancy. what is realistic in the restaurant business for the next two years living in a 25 to 50% occupancy rate life-style? >> well, two years would be disastrous. you know, we survived sars. we have been through epidemics before, but never a global pandemic. >> right. >> so clearly, you know, we know that markets recover on an individual basis. and i expect the same thing will happen here. you know, once there is treatment for coronavirus --

>> right. >> -- then i expect people will start to feel differently. but the impact to the p&l is devastating. overnight, literally 80% of our revenue went away. and then we found ways to compete differently than we have in the past, right, quickly creating curbside options where there is contactless delivery of our products. and you know, that helped of it got us, you know, some revenue back. i think opening up 25% of the dining room in the way in that we are operating today will help -- it alleviates but it won't fix the problem. restaurants are very low-margin businesses to start with. so things like rent and -- we are not going to be able to pay rents at the rate that we have paid historically until the pandemic is -- sub sides. >> ray blanchett, ceo of friday's.

ray thank you for joining us again. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. thanks everybody. chuck i have been talking to a lot of small business owners. they have said they are hoping there is going to be a lobbying effort under way by congress to have a targeted relief bill or relief proposal directed at them particularly because of the difficulties they are going to have going forward. >> the way the math works. our colleague did an interesting interview with somebody over at heritage. there may be an incentive for a small restaurant owner to file for bankruptcy now, wait six months, then reopen brand-new because 25%, they can't meet those margins. up next, former vice president joe biden breaks his silence over the allegation he sexually assaulted a staffer 27 years ago. assaulted a staffer years ago. in here.

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this morning, former vice president joe biden responded in person to an allegation that he sexually assaulted a former senate staffer 27 years ago. my colleague andrea mitchell details the claims. and a warning, by the way, that some of the language is graphic. >> former senate aide tara reade says then senator biden pinned her against a wall and assaulted her in a corridor. she started telling her story in march to news outlets, including democracy now. >> i remember his hands

underneath my blouse, underneath my skirt, and his fingers penetrating me as i was trying to kiss me and i was pulling away. >> reporter: the biden campaign has said this absolutely did not happen. reade's public account evolved over time. last year she was among a handful of women who called out biden for what they called inappropriate though in the sexual touching at the reade described biden touching her on the shoulder or running his index finger up my neck during a meeting. she mentioned five people reade said had tolder about the assault either at the time or sense. three former senate staffer says they do not recall any such conversation with reade. a fourth who asked that her name be withheld said reade did tell her about it at the time. a fifth person who also spoke with nbc but did not want her name used recalled reade telling her about inappropriate touching but in the an assault.

reade also said her mother called in to larry king live in 1993 without identifying here's talking about her daughter having a problem with an unnamed prominent politician. her mother died in 2016. nbc cannot verify she was the caller. earlier this week a former neighbor recalled reade telling her about an alleged assault several years after the alleged incident. what she texted us was consistent with what reade has told us. but she has not responded to our calls. in an interview on "morning joe" the democratic presidential nominee repeated that the allegation was false. biden was asked about reade claims that she filed a sexual harassment complaint with the senate. >> would you please go on the record with the american people. did you sexually assault tara reade? >> no. it is not true. i am saying unequivocally, it never, never happened. and it didn't. it never happened. >> do you remember her?

do you remember any -- any types of complaints that she might have made? >> i don't remember any type of complaint she may have made. it was 27 years ago. and i don't remember, nor does anyone else this i am aware of. >> you released a stayed on medium and you write this. there is only one other place a complaint this kind could be, the national archives. i am requesting that the secretary of the senate ask the archives to identify any record of the complaint she alleges she filed. if there was any such complaint, the record will be there. are you preparing us for a complaint that might be revealed in some way? are you confident there is nothing? >> i am confident there is nothing. >> why limit this only to tara reade? why not release any complaints that it may have been made

against you during your senate career? >> i am prepared to do that. there to the best of my knowledge have been no complaints made against me in terms of my senate in terms of my office. this is an open book. there is nothing for me to hide. >> joining us now is nbc's ali vitali one of our reporters who interviewed tara reade and spent weeks investigating the allegation against biden. have you been able to get in touch with reed after this interview? >> no, katy. i reached out over to her over call and next the morning and haven't heard back from her. i think the big question now that we have heard publicly from joe biden on this is really where this story goes next. i think the first thing that we are going to start hearing about is what happened to this complaint that tara reade tells me she filed with the senate personnel office back in 1993. i think the thing to be really important the point out about that, though, is that tara told me she filed the complaint about sexual harassment she said she was experiencing in the office.

not this alleged assault. if that complaint were to come to light it would be regarding harassment and not regarding this allegation of assault. and biden spent time this morning in his interview with "morning joe" delineating the files that would be within the university of delaware and the trove of documents they have in his file there and the documents he says are personnel related and thusly in the national archives. he is now saying he is urging the national archives to put out the complaint if they have it. he says that would be. on the other hand the documents at the university of delaware will remain sealed, he says that's because it involves policies and conversations he had with world leaders. he said things could be taken out of context and he shouldn't have to do this. there is a delineating of where all of these documents tend to live. but if we do get this complained, it is regarding sexual harassment and not sexual

assault. >> ali vitali, what have we heard from various women's groups, i am thinking specifically of times up and others who have been advocates of saying women need to be heard on this? what do they make the vice president's comments this morning? >> well, they, like other women's groups, have been pressuring him to address these allegations. of course this morning's interview came after mounting pressure for him to do so because several other female surrogates who support the vice president have been asked about these allegations over the course of the last few weeks. i think the chorus of response from women's groups after this allegation has been addressed has been that they are happy to see it addressed publicly and they are urging transparency on this. i think specifically with times up when you consider the statement they released this morning they praised biden for actually addressing this allegation. at the same time, they reminded

of the multiple allegations against president donald trump. he has not really addressed those in any kind of direct way other than to blanketly deny them. so all of the women's groups saying they appreciate the transparency around this issue. frankly if you start listening the other people who support joe biden as they've been asked about it, they echo what we've heard joe biden say to da that he believes women should be able to come forward and tell their story and that reporters should adjudicate and vet the claims. now the biden campaign and joe biden himself saying the claims have been vetted and they're not true. >> thank you very much for that. and talk with a lock of trust, this next story larry hogan is hiding state's covid-19 tests and ordering the national guard and state police to keep watch over them. what exactly is he worried about? next. exactly is he worried about? next who has time for wrinkles? neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair®. we've got the retinol that gives you results in one week. not just any retinol.

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maryland governor larry hogan has members of his state national guard defending a stockpile of coronavirus tests out of concern the federal government could try and take them. several states actually say that they are competing with fema and federal agencies for supplies needed to combat the coronavirus. some supplies are being seized. governor hogan spoke with robert

acosta about the precautions he is taking after he flew those tests in from south korea. >> were you concerned the federal government would try to take the tests out of your hands. >> we wanted to make sure that the plane took off cargo from whoever may interfere with the -- us getting that to our folks that needed it. >> the national guard protecting tests, is the national guard in maryland still protecting those tests? >> they are. the national guard and the state police are both guarding the tests at an undisclosed location. >> undisclosed location, katy. that is something else. he told another story of where he had the governor of massachusetts, he had some ppe seized by the federal government so then he had to send the patriots owner figuring that is the best way to keep the feds from taking the next shipment of ppe. but there is another part of that story, katy, that i'd like an answer to. okay, you're hoarding the tests. why aren't we using the tests? is it because you can't get the

results in a timely fashion? >> or do they have -- do they not have the staff to administer those tests, the educated staff to do that or trained staff. >> equipment or staff. >> i'm still surprised and this has been something that's been said by former administration officials -- former obama administration officials why there's not somebody in charge of logistics. why there is not somebody in charge of all the supplies and the federal government and dispersing them. >> i don't get it. >> there isn't a situation where states feel like they need to protect their stockpile. yeah, still an open question. chuck, thanks. coming up -- >> quickly, katy, i'd be put fred smith of fedex in charge or somebody like that who's -- spends his whole life doing logistics. >> somebody. really anyone. chuck, we have something interesting coming up in the 2:00 hour. something we haven't seen in more than a year. but something anybody who's been

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