assaulted her. >> look from the very gibeginni i've said believing the women means taking the woman's claim seriously and then vet it, look into it. that is true in this case as well. women have a right to be heard a rigorously investigate their claims. but in the end in every case the truth is what matters. and this case the truth is that the claims are false. >> are woman to be believed unless it pertains to you? >> look, women are to be believed given the benefit of the doubt. if they come forward and say something that is -- that they said happened to them, they should start off with the presumption that they are telling the truth. and then you have to look at the circumstances and the facts. and the facts in this case do not exist. they never happened.

and there are so many inconsistencies in what has been said in this case. so, yes, look at the facts. and i assure you, it did not than. period. period. >> joining our conversation is an dlee an dldrea mitchell and also reverend sharp ton. >> and i can just imagine all the questions that reverend al will be wanting to ask. that was a very tough interview that mika did. and went through a lot of things that lot of people have been wants to know. and joe biden came out and was forceful in his dienial. and we've learned that ali vitali called the national archives because joe biden said today that he is going to write a letter and we understand that that is in progress to the national archives to release anything that would indicate that tara reade, this woman who briefly worked in the senate in

1992 and '93 had filed a sexual harassment case as she said that she did, not mentioning sexual assault. she says now that she filed a harassment complaint. no one ever found a record of that. and so biden said that he would ask the national archives to release it. and ali vitali just spoke to the national archives and they would that those personnel files would still be in the senate. so it takes back to the secretary of the senate probably which who is an appointee of mitch mcconnell. so there you go. but there are questions about tara rereade's account. last year send that she was made uncomfortable by nonsexual

touching by joe biden. and this march she said first said publicly that there was sexual assault. nbc looked into the five people she told us to contact who she said she told at the time and only one of those five said that she had told them that, that it was sexual assault at the time back in 1993. and that person would not let us use her name. so there are discrepancies in the account. we're still working on that. we obviously want to talk to tara reade on camera and we understand that she will do a fox news interview this weekend, but we're still hoping that she will say yes to us as well. >> rev, i agree with what andrea said about mika's questioning which was insist eveent and sha and important. also for joe biden to answer these questions and to the satisfaction of his supporters who are out there defending him

against these allegations. you have the next interview with him. what for you was not answered to your satisfaction or where do you want to know more? >> i think that he answered all of mika's questions. i think it was a very tough interview. and i will ask if he has anything that he wants to add to what he has already said. i think that he was very forth right in his answers. i think that we have to take the allegations seriously. and i agree that we have to vet them just as seriously. my interview with him was set up prior to coming forward. so a lot of my interview will be around the racial disparities and covid-19 and his presidential run and other matters. but i will ask him does he have any additions matt here to what said to mika. because she did 20 minutes. i don't know what else you can ask unless something else

develops between now and tomorrow. but i will say this, the republicans need to if they are going to try to use this politically, it could be a slippery slope because they did open the door to the over 20 women that have made allegations against donald trump. and i remember during the 2016 campaign when donald trump walked into a debate with several women that had made allegations against bill clinton and he was running against bill clinton's wife, not even bill clinton, i don't think that donald trump wants to see a parade of women that have made on the record allegations against him, somewhats are ament, some could be considered assaults and many more recent than 27 years. so i don't know if they want to make this a political issue notwithstanding that it is serious and should taken seriously. but they may not want to go

there. >> and indeed all of this gets wrapped up in election year politics. how do our customers, our viewer, the folks watching, the folks who have make the decisions, how do they proper the what aboutism, vis-a-vis what has been reported about the incumbent president. it is a lot. and i suppose at the end of the day you look into the high definition twig atelevision and try to look in-to-someone's eyes. >> exactly. and that is one of the problems that joe biden be has had. we are not coverings campaign the way we normally would. primaries are not being held.

he is at home and not campaigning the way he would normally campaign. and so that is one reason why this is not getting as much attention either to be proved or disproved as it normally would. the other thing about this is that joe biden was very outfront in saying that women who make these sexual assault complaints, and he said this in the case of christine bl christi christine blasey ford should be believed. and he answered it today to the point that he said i'm saying that women should be listen td to and that the claim should be investigated and in this case, i'm telling you that the claim is not true. but that women should be respected. so he is trying to walk that line. the problem that the trump campaign has in going after him so hard today is that the

president went on a podcast and expressed sympathy, if you will, for what joe biden is going through. it is sort of, you know, a double black flack flip. but saying that i know i've been accused unfairly and i relate to what he is saying. and that disputes the fact that if 12 if not 23 women accused him of a lot of things, including one rape allegation. and he has denied it. but there are credible allegations that he has out there. >> andrea mitchell and -- >> we all have to decide. >> exactly. and andrea, to your point, i think that this is a year without campaigns. without a campaign trail, without a campaign press corps. and the silver lining, if you will, is that voters will have to watch that interview this morning and make their own judgments. there are no more arbiters in

either party. and having once been a part of the republican party, the right is not running an honest operation to get to the bottom of whether tara reade was victimtized. the right is running a smear campaign against joe biden. they want an equal playing field on which donald trump's nearly two dozen accusers have some company on the other side. the right is not running littth same operation that the democrats are running to have some consistency around statements that i think just about every elected democrat has made about women in the context of the me t"me too" movement. so everyone should proceed with caution around the statements made on the right. andrea and rev, thank you both. you can watch the interview with biden tomorrow at 5:00ing p.m. on politics nation.

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nurses union. first, thank you. and second, what do you need from a very grateful nation that isn'tync upped with our political leaders? >> thank you for having me. since january we've been inquiring and demanding that we be prepared and have the protections that we need to care for our covid-19 patients. and here it is may 1, international workers day, and we have nurses in 13 states taking actions, 139 actions representing over 100,000 nurses demanding, continuing demand that we have the protections that we need to take care of our patients. >> and what do you think the gap is good what is almost universal gratitude? i live in new york and at 7:00 p.m., people are banging their

pots and pans to express their gratitude in any way they can and a president who at least on one occasion accused health care workers of hoarding equipment. where is the breakdown and is there anything at a grass roots level that people can do to support nurses? >> well, there continues to be a breakdown at the federal, state and local levels in terms of ensuring that we actually manufacture here domestically personal protect differenive eq. we're continuing to call on the president to activate the defense production act to manufacture the ppe that we need. and we need to continue to demand that congress does this. additionally, we're calling for temporary osha standard for infectious disease protocols. and we need these especially

when we have -- when we see that there are various different states that are looking at reopening, when we know that the rates of infection are only going up among our ranks. >> and in normal times, in the best of times, nurses are asked to do more than just about anybody else in a time of a health crisis. during these times, they are asked to do almost the unthinkable, they are often the last person to sit with someone as they pass from this earth because of the nature of this virus. do you feel like an adequate conversation is taking place in this country about ptsd and about how to protect nurses and all frontline health care workers today and in the future? >> no. no, there hasn't. and nurses and health care workers are suffering from very high levels of ptsd and our

services are lacking. and we see the employers doing very little to address the extraordinary stress that we're all under. knowing that we can become infected and possibly die and really what is so stressful too is the idea that we could be spreading this infection to patients and our family, this is just placed-as i said, it is an extraordinary level of stress on us at a time that we just want to get to work and do the work of healing and helping, assisting our patients. so we do need to do more and we're demanding that the employers do more. >> thank you so much for spending time with us today. lits have it become an ongoing conversation. >> thank you very much. up next, the biggest

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correspondent chris jansen joins me now. chris. >> reporter: here we are at one of two hot spots. there's another prison about an hour's drive here from here. 2700 inmates have tested positi positive. more than 90% were asymptommatic. this is a situation because nobody was showing symptoms that by the time it started to spr d spread, it was almost too late. take a look at the headlines. virus infected prison called war zone. we're hearing from correction officers saying it's frightening, it's utter chaos. you can understand that. there are five other prisons where they are showing signs there could be a spread and the governor has acknowledged it's going be very, very difficult to get it under control. they are doing a lot of stuff. they have gotten, just yesterday, shipped another 1.1

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stays to see before they reopen. >> you really got to have 14 days of continual diminution in number of your cases. you have to have the core principles of the guidelines. you can't leap over things and get into a situation where you're tempting a rebound. tri try as best as you can to abide by the guidelines that were well thought out. some of them are doing that but others are taking a bit of a chance. i hope they can handle any rebound that they see. >> again, no state appears to have full by met the federal criteria laid out as recently as last night. since the federal recommendations were first issued on april 16th, the president has contradicted them and always scientific advice by backing protesters and suggesting the cure can't be worse than the disease. the president's motive for undermining his scientists has been reported to be his own

re-election process even though it's unclear how the failure of the coronavirus will boost his standings. the president and his allies have embraced optimism offering a rosy message despite the death toll and jobless claims. the real picture of coronavirus in the u.s. is far from rosy. u.s. infections stand at well over a million with tens thouf sands of new cases reported daily at a rate that's not yet on the decline. the death toll in the u.s., surpass 64,000 with hot spots flairing in places like texas and new jersey, both are among the states now loosening their stay at home restrictions. the patch work response to covid amid an alarming rate of infections in the u.s. is where we start today.

dr. patel, let me start with you. everybody wants to go back. it landed with such a thud when i saw governor cuomo announce that schools would remain closed for the rest of the year. i miss having these conversations around a table. i understand the push and pull that, but is it safe without adequate testing and without the 14-day decline in cases for states to be opening up? >> it's not safe. let let me give you a little data. atlanta still has about a 12 to 16% positive rate. we know that tells us we're not doing enough testing. number two, it also emphasizes that we're probably even under reporting the number of cases and reopening is just going to cause a reversal of all the hard

work that's been done over the last several weeks. >> jeremy bash, we have talked for more than three years about the president's resistance to experts, to guess you and i would count as the deep state. people who worked in democratic and republican administrations at high levels inside the cabinet agencies that the president runs. i see that battle, that tension almost being won by donald trump where his tweeting and undermining the advice from fauci whether it's saying liberate virginia or backing the protesters has created a climate where people think it's okay to ease the restrictions. what you think? >> you said in your set up that the president's political advisers want him to express optimism. what i would suggest is we need neither optimism nor pessimism. we need realism. the way you get realism, as you referenced is by listening to

experts. those people who are steeped in data, science and who can make policy decisions based on that. we don't want to live in a world in which we're subject to donald trump's wishes or whims. of course, where he to do that, were he to direct opening or to lay out criteria that emphasized speedier opening and more vulnerable people, more healthy people got sick, how tragic would that be and this comes on a day when we learned that a dear family friend of ours succomb to covid last night, passed away. there's not a single person in our country that doesn't know of somebody or know of somebody who knows somebody who has been affected by this disease. >> let me stay with you because you made it personal. i think for so many people it is personal. that's where i have only questions and no answers about why be

why. why can't donald trump at any level feel what the whole country going through which is grief over losing someone. grief over the current way with live with our children at home and not with their friends and baseball coaches and wonderful teachers. peter baker has some reporting today about how he has not led the country in any mourning. what do you make of trying to muddle through this without a leader who can do those traditional things that a president does? >> at least, nicole, to acknowledge the overriding emotion which is fear. in my household the conversation we're having is about what happens if this goes on. what happens if schools dow jones -- don't open in the fall. what happens if people can't return to normalcy in terms of school and work and social circle and family events. this is deeply personal. it's deeply personal felt by every single person in the country. we have lost more people in the last two months than died during the entirety of the vietnam war.

we have lost so many people and so many more are yet to be infected with this disease. if you think that only maybe 5 or 7% of the population might be infected, we have a long way to go to that herd immunity or vaccine. this is much closer to the beginning of the crisis than the end. >> jonathan, let me know if we're missing something about how the president sees this because what doctor patel and jeremy have laid out are cold, hard, non-partisan facts about what this country is going through and what it still has to pass through before we are threw this and before we are on the other side of it. yet, the white house not really interested in anything other than confirming a conspiracy theory and getting the intelligence community to do that and backing and giving some political cover to these guys. these are the armed protesters

in michigan. president taking their side, it sounded like, through a tweet and urging the governor who's approval rating is more than twice of donald trump in that important state, as an aside, president pressuring her using his twitter feed to tell her to negotiate with the guys with guns. >> reporter: since day one of this administration, everything about this president has been partisan and political. to echo what peter baker wrote, my colleagues and i have written this week too about how since this pandemic began, this president has resisted not just moments of mourning but also moments to try to rally the nation together and set aside partisan differences like so many of his predecessors have done. let's remember bill clinton after the oklahoma city bombing,

george bush. this has never done that. he's never trying to out of the few scripted tried the unite the nation in grief or in resolve. it's about policy, tax on democratic governors and increasingly, looking at this crisis through the lens of his own re-election chances. his advisers have made the calculation that it's the economic impact that could sink his chance this is november and they want to forge forward as quickly as they can to try to reopen portions of the country. hence the cheer leading of the protesters including in michigan. hence the words of encouragement for a lot of the states as they begin to reopen. even against the counsel of some of his own inner circle who have told him and this is an extraordinary statement but have told him as we wrote this week, that to urge him to go sloer wh --

slower because if they rush back and the death toll spikes, american voters won't forgive those what they perceive as deaths caused by a rush or return to normalcy. >> dr. patel, this is the part of the trump story that doesn't make sense for me. nobody should blame donald trump for the existence of the coronavirus. it's not his fault that it exists but all of his conduct from the moment he was first briefed about the danger it posed to this country which we learned on monday from greg miller and his colleagues was in the president's pdb as early as january. all of that contact, it's all right as citizens know what our governments knew, what they knew it and what they did with that information. if you take everything that we know today and look at the president's cheering of heavily armed protesters, what are the risks moving forward with some of the reopening strategies you

have seen. which ones do you feel, i guess, even cautiously optimistic about and which ones really alarm you. can you rank some of the things you have seen out there? >> you covered just now governor dewine and ohio strategy with being very clear about even to the end of may that really we're going to continue kind of stay at home and social distancing. i also think that the west coast governor newsom, governor of washington should be commended because they are making a pretty pro-active effort not just to think about reopening in a responsible way but to anticipate what an alternative fall school year, all the things we do care about because as a country, we need those things to work in order to get back to work. i also think there are local leaders in different cities, the mayor of dallas and other who is are trying even when there are opposing circumstances with their governors to really give

clear guidance on which businesses should reopen. on the worst, i don't think you have to look far to florida, georgia and unfortunately, it does have a very high positive partisan correlation which is disturbing. you can look to those states for what is truly terrifying to my health care colleagues. everybody in health care is just mortified at kind of what is unfolding in some of those cities and states. that's going back to the data. we haven't finished our first wave. we're still in maybe at best, a plateau. that's why governor cuomo is giving bad news but giving us the facts. i think americans are responsible enough to handle the facts. >> let me just underscore something you just said. we have not -- i think what you're saying is we may have hit the peak but we're not on the other side of it yet. can you explain that? i look at the daily and i

probably check it too much for my own mental health but i check the numbers every day. sometimes i think how are so many people still getting so sick. how are so many people still dying if we're all wearing masks and all at home? can you answer that? >> it's the fact we know there are people without symptoms that are carrying this. to be honest, we were just behind the ball with testing, just another underscore of what we did not do at the national level. we had all these cases that we did not pick up and still testing in the bronx and other communities is so low that it's unethical, quite frankly. we have that delay in testing. people that are coming out of the wood works with these symptoms. hot spots and once they end up in the hospital, if you're in the icu in some place, one out of four people are dying. this is a virus that knows no

boundaries and treatments we only have just recently one treatment that is showing some promise. that's what you're seeing a and in areas like d.c. and maryland, we're still seeing an increase in cases. it is unearthing all of the united states, all the positives with great health care workers that are dedicated and essential workers, firearm and policeman. it's unearthing all of our vulnerabilities. >> jonathan, do you think that donald trump has heard what dr. patel said from me from anyone in any way that he's processed lately? >> i think his medical team, his public health experts have voiced some of that but we know how choosy the president is about what he listens to and internalizes and hears. he's surrounded by people who are cheer leeading him. who is echoing what he wants to

hear. that's the new chief of staff have told close allies that his job is not to sort of try to rein the president but embolden him, to prop him up to make decisions he wants. we have seen jared kushner appear making a rare media appearance talking about how the country will be rocking by the summer because this is a success story in his words about how the federal government responded. even though more than 60,000 people have died. we keep, as the doctor just said, we keep going back to the key thing here. testing. that is what governors and business leaders alike in many states in this nation are urging the white house. they still need to up their testing efforts. thai they've improved but they have a long way to go before enough testing is adequate enough to give not just employers but employees, potential consumers, setting aside school children and teachers, the confidence needed to fully reenter society. until there is that testing, the

risks another potentially more dangerous wave of this pandemic which would not only cost many more lives but would eat further hinder an economy that's already hurdling toward a recession. >> jeremy, you ran two of the largest agencies in the country and i want to know what your theory of the case is about why on testing, this government, this white house, this administration, which articulate a will to do better on testing but in eight, nine weeks -- they've even got a president who is way out over his skis wearing a red maga hat that's a kaga hat, keeping america great at the cdc saying everybody who wants a test will get one and that is still not true. >> i think there are multiple problems here. one is the test standards were not established early enough. second is the supply of reagents has been lacking and by the way,

i know we'll talk about it but one of the problems with the way the president is approaching the china issue is we may need china for some of that critical supply chain. there's no plan to administer the tests prod broadly. here lies the conundrum. we may have plateaued but that's because we're at home. nobody is going out. the moment people go out and numbers spike, the only remedy is for every one to go back home. until there's comprehensive testing with realtime results you'll never be able to send someone who has as asthma or an underlying condition or someone who lives with an underlying condition into a school, an office or other place where other people are there. >> you're not going anywhere, we have more questions for you. thank you so much for starting us off on busy day. the president's campaign to

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my question is have you seen anything at this point that gives you a high degree of confidence that the

institute was the origin? >> yes i have. >> what gives you a high degree of confidence this originated from the wuhan institute? >> i can't tell you that. >> no one shares that quote, high degree of confidence. the washington post reports this. quote, while intelligence analysts and many scientists see the lab origin theory as possible, no direct evidence has emerged suggesting that the coronavirus escaped from wuhan's research facilities. many scientists argue the evidence tilts toward a natural transmission. an unknown interaction in late fall that allowed the virus to jump from a bat or another animal to a human. trump's comment contradicts his statement put out hours prior from the office of director of national intelligence. it's an agency led by trump ally. the statement reads in part, the intelligence community also

concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the covid-19 v virus was not manmade or gene c genetically modified. the intel community will examine information and intelligence to determine whether it was made through conduct with infected animals or the result of a accident at laboratory in wuhan. i want to not lose the threat on the washington post reporting. it sounds like not even among the options is the scenario depicted by donald trump. am icorrectly? >> i think you are. i think it's worst mentioning that today is may 1st. the 9 year anniversary of the bin laden operation. every one was remarking that's an example when non-partisan team work in national security and intelligence community that was able to work closely with the president achieved

remarkable results for the sd t security of the country. contrast that to the situation today. donald trump spent weeks and months in january praising china. he congratulated xi jingping. all the while he was getting intelligence briefings talking about the disease spreading and the role china was may iplaying. in mid-february, he fired his non-political, admiral, career professional joe mcguire leading intelligence for the u.s. government. he fired him and many other career professionals. he swept aside the leadership of the intelligence community and now today he is suggesting that china weaponized this virus when there's no evidence to support that and in an exceedingly rare statement the office of the director of national intelligence has to directly rebuke and undermine the president's own comments. >> i view public statements from the intelligence community as

what, in my experience they were. they were -- there's a lot of e restrair restrai restraint. the community intelligence likes to let their work speak for themselves. for them to do this and this is an office that's run by rick grenell, an ally of donald trump. what do you think is going on behind the scenes for that little piece of rebuttal? i thought that was a pretty big deal. >> when a statement comes out, you can be sure of two things. number one, is that most of the reporting that backs up that statement, which is probably classified, has already been provided to the president in his pdb and other analytic products. he already was told what odni said yesterday publicly which is there's no evidence that this is manmade. second is the reason they had to respond was clearly they felt that a number of people whether it's fox news or republicans on the hill or conspiracy thee they

arists were parroting the president's own approach. i don't think we yet know the extent of china ea's involvemen. i think the jury is still out. we may need information from china. we may need testing reagent, supply. we may need ppe. let's work with china now and there will be plenty of time later to point fingers, cast blame and take any necessary reactionary measures if that's warranted. >> i think your point is a good one. if the truth -- do you think th

any sort of strain inside the intelligence communities when they see donald trump saying in the east room that he has seen intel and the office of the director of national intelligence has to come out and say it's not our conclusion. >> when the president says things like that or when he stands next to vladmir putin and says he believes the former kgb spy master over his own cia, you can hear a thunder clap, everybody's hand hitting their forehe forehead. that's the way the intelligence community is trained. they put their nose down, do their job and give the reporting to first customer of the president an they go to next day and the next mission. they are usually not worried about correcting the record or the public discourse. it's gotten so bad that this rare statement from odni should serve as a warning to everybody

that the president is way separated from his intelligence professionals on this and i don't think that's going to end any time soon. >> wow. jeremy bash, thank you so much for your clarity and spending some time with us. i'm sorry for the loss of your close friend to covid. new york governor making news today for doing what shouldn't be news at all in the midst of pandemic following the science and announcing the rest of the school year will be cancelled amid ongoing concerns about the safety of teachers. we'll speak to a member of the new york congressional delegation, next. new york congressional delegation, next so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big dreams, spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair.com

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we must protect our students. we have to protect our educators and given the circumstances that we're in and the precautions that would have to be put in place to come up with a plan to reopen schools with all those new protocols, how do you operate a school that is socially distanced with masks, without gatherings, with public

transportation system that has a lower number of students on it. how would you get that plan up and running? we don't think it's possible to do that in a way that would keep our children and students and educators safe. we're going to have the schools remain closed for the rest of the year. we're going to continue the distance learning programs. >> that is the news that every parent in new york state was glued to today. it's been six weeks since stay at home orders began. several states are making the decision to reopen. happens to be well before health experts advise them to do so but some states sad, new york an -- zig and zag, cuomo announced schools will remain closed. he revealed new york is acting to support essential workers by directing insurers to wave all cost for their mental health

services. i've always started by asking you how your district and how you think the state of new york is doing. what's your take today? >> it's a tough situation. we're a stuff state and new yorkers are tough. we're coming to and supporting our neighbors in ways that would warm your heart and bring tear a tear to your eye if you heard some of the stories. there's a terrific story about the human spirit and the strength and resilience of new yorkers. it would be terrific if people many the national government stepped up as well and met what we have seen here. the decency and courage and grit if they backed us up with some resources. those schools don't have to layoff teachers.

those teachers have been teaching 25, 27 kids in 27, 25 bedrooms and kitchens. imagine how difficult it is to teach geometry or social studies by zoom and yet they have been doing it. we're going to cut the districts now because through no fault of their own or new york's this pandemic has come to our district. you'll see new yorkers come together on this one. tell me more about the stories of grit. i think people are awash in the political rancor. i'm shattered by the images of the heavily armed protesters in michigan and the president using those images to ask a governor to negotiate with them. tell me something good. >> it's hard the find anything sort of that starts out as good because it grows out of this tragedy. in those moments of great

tragedy, we see such compassion and decency. in my own little town here in cold spring new york, there's a woman who lost her husband. she's already facing a tough cancer diagnosis of her own. she's got three kids. two of them are twins in the same class as my youngest daughter. about 250 local townspeople got in their cars and lined the road on the way from the church to the cemetery, all socially distanced just sitting in their cars for two hours to let her know she wasn't alone. most of those people don't know her. they don't her their kids the way we do. to see that kind of decency and compassion, that's how good people react to tragedy. they think, look i'm going to count my blessings and see who i can help. i don't understand the people who go to anger. who go to hatred. who go to screaming and carrying weapons when people in government offices are working

around the clock trying to get help to people who need it and need support. yes accountability and constructive criticism. we need to come together iegt rooi right now. this is a not a time to be small. it's a time to be big. it's a time to see our common as a rule ner blt and understand what matters in this life and refocus on it and build more community. we're not going to roll over here in new york if we're getting mistreated either. the governor will have a lot of allies and they ought to be in both parties and they ought to be from states, not just new york who say this is a national emergency. some state vs been in the bulls eye. they need help. >> what do you think the new normal for new york looks like. when does new york city look anything like new york city ever again? >> it will come. it will come, i think slowly like light comes at the beginning of day.

right now we have to follow facts and the evidence. the sooner we get real testing program, the sooner we do not just virus testing but antibeside teantibody testing. when we get some better existing therapies to lessen the severity of this illness. when we have perfected some of these practices, which we have done and can extend those more broadly, i think you'll see a start to get our legs under us again. this is a restless, energetic, amazing place. you're not going to keep that bottled up long. we want to be smart and do it in a way we don't have to go backwards. where we can step by step rebuild the greatest city, greatest state and economy in the country. >> you remember the intelligence community. there's been a daily drum beat about what the intelligence community briefed to donald

trump. he seemed to respond or at least the timing of his direction to the intelligence community to try to look into whether or not it came from the lab in wuhan. there was some malfeasance. where do you come down on the picture about what donald trump was briefed by his intelligence community in january and february based on recent news accounts? >> look, i'm confident that when all the history is written on this, he is the captain of the titanic looking at an iceberg warning and ignoring it and s saying liesa saying light the fifth boiler. whether you were reading the president daily brief oar the new york times, you knew this was coming. the president squandered precious weeks. days matter. had we taken urgent steps sooner, we would have saved a lot of lives. listen, that's on all of us in

government. i'm willing to declassify everything. let everybody see everything. there's going to be a right to the american public to know what everybody knew and when they knew it. that includes, by the way, accountability for the chinese and what they did. that's a tough story that we need to tell. there's a lot of blame to go around and this isn't some partisan exercise. people deserve the truth. >> do you imagine, down the road, after the country has healed and i think the 9/11 parallel is an apt one in terms of the loss of life and the questions about what our leaders knew and they made decisions or didn't. do you imagine or envision some sort of independent commission? maybe someone like governor hogan or governor dewine being the republican truth seekers and democrats joining with republicans to get to the bottom to know what was known? >> yes. this is why there has to be a renewed commitment to some

bipartisan cooperation. we don't have a lot of adults left in the room in washington but we need some because all of us need to have a few people we can trust who say, look, here is what's real and here's what's not. we live in this age of misinformation and social media of malign information of foreign parties trying to deceive us and divide us. i do believe we have the capacity to pick great americans of all backgrounds and political believes and say take a look at it and give them access to the classified information and write a detailed report. it's not just what happened. it's how do we prevent this from ever happening again. how do we build a real strategic stockpile. how do we use technology better? how do we do contact tracing in new ways? how do we gather intelligence geared towards this type of threat the way we do toward other types of threats. there's so nuch much to learn. it starts with finding out what

happened. >> congressman, i want to thank you for telling me the story of every one getting in their cars to pay tribute to your neighbor. that was beautiful. i needed it today. thank you very much. >> stay safe. have a good weekend. after the break, two of our favorite friends weigh in on the political headlines of the day including the di ver gent picture of america opening in the hot spots seeing the coronavirus emerge. n the hot spots seeing the coronavirus emerge these are real people, not actors,

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wildly divergent picture coming out of the united states today when it comes to reopen g reopening. some states taking more drastic measures to keep people safe like new york and michigan. more than a dozen other states are reopening in some form or another forcing residents to con front some dauntsing personal choices. do they go back into the world? do they go to work, restaurants, movie theaters? there they lose their jobs the they refuse? what about the safety of their families or vulnerable in their households? >> let's bring in a former aid in the george w. bush white house and the chairman of the center for african-american studies from princeton university. what are americans to make of just the seemingly knmutually exclusive sets of data we're getting. from the doctors, there's no way to be safe unless we're socially

distanced. from some of these governors, come on and dine in. >> nicole, it's an absolute mixed message and americans are going to have to take responsibility on their own because they sure aren't going to get any guidance from the federal government. donald trump has made that clear. within individual states that are loosening their requirements, i really feel for people who are going to have to walk the personal tight rope of going back to work, going to take care of relatives who might be in nursing home. balancing that tight rope of trying not to get sick but also trying to resume life as much as they need to for their own livelihood. >> i know you're worried aby ei something going on in mississippi. >> it's absolutely unbelievable that there's a chicken plant where there's an outbreak and the mississippi officials will not say that it's caused by the

workers actually being at work. they might have gotten it from how they are transported to work on the same bus or maybe because they live in close quarters with each other but not anything happening on those production lines. it's grotesque that donald trump chooses to invoke the defense production act for our own gluttony to ensure meat is supp when he won't do it for the nurses who are begging for the defense production act for ppe and gear nurses need to save their own lives yet you see how just how pervasive the big ad lobby and their money is on government officials and donald trump. it's not about protecting us or the meat supply at the end of the day. >> amy, i'm sure you have 7,000 things to say but i'm going to ask you to steer with me toward one of the other big stories of

the day. our colleague pressing former vice president joe biden repeatedly about allegations that he sexually harassed a former aide. what did you think of the interview and what questions remain unanswers? >> i thought the interview was hard hitting. i thought he asked some pointed questions that he had to answer. he did a relatively good job i think trying to dance between taking women complaints seriously. their sense that the -- the idea of the metoo movement is we should believe women. that's absolutely true. that doesn't mean that we just automatically assume that what they are saying is the case. we have to then investigate the matter. what happens in the initial case is that oftentime what is women

are saying is dismissed. what vice president tried to do in the moment is not engage in dismissing tara reid but he still has to answer certain questions. i think we need to hear more directly from her and give her the space to respond to vice president biden. then we can move forward. >> i thought he left open some questions about why not release or allow some independent group or some group of pool journalists to go through and look through his papers at the university of delawardelaware. what did you think about his answers? >> i did too. i thought vice president biden should have been stronger. let me just be clear. i'm trying not to fall into the trap of this being, as you put it earlier, this is the bad faith of the republican party. they're not interesting in the claims of tara reid but i think

he needs to be strong and say, let's take her claim seriously. i don't believe i did it. i'm going to release all the information i can about everything i've done over the course of my career. if there is an career. if there is a complaint, if there are women who've complained about improper kind of touch, his relationship with them. let it all come out. he needs to be in this moment an advocate for the position he's taken in the past. he can't play politics with this. he needs to actually be an exemplar of how we take women's claims around sexual harassment seriously. how we take women's claims around sexual assault seriously. >> i appreciate your comment. my point is there were two things happening in america right now that i thought what mika brzezinski and "morning joe" tried to do was seek out the truth. that joe biden tried to answer those questions to the best of his ability there. is a parallel endeavor going on

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