>> reporter: the man they called steven b. >> have a good weekend. bye! >> that's all for now. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. first up on msnbc, new normal. parts of the country awakening from the coronavirus 23450i9 mayor, but signs of the times everywhere else. restaurant owners are hungry for business. >> i anticipate this being pretty intense over the next couple of weeks as we try to navigate this and keep everybody safe. >> day at the beach, crowds are expected in some newly reopened spots across the country. the big question, though, can people maintain social distance? >> in orange county, california,

new protests as the governor shuts down the beach. the fda gives emergency approval for a drug to be used in the fight against the virus. details on that, ahead. good morning to you. it is saturday, may 2nd. i'm lindsay riser. thanks for joining us. >> and i'm kendis gibson. thank you so much for being here on this saturday morning. this is a live look of indianapolis. indiana really has been hard hit by this virus. a lot of people have not been paying a lot of attention to it. but we say good morning to you there in indianapolis. 5:00 in the morning. parts of that state reopening. the mayor has extended a stay-at-home order, though, until may 15th. in the meanwhile, the governor yesterday lifting the statewide stay-at-home order. much of the state will begin allowing shopping malls to open monday at 50% capacity. beautiful there. all right. let's start by getting you

caught up on the facts at this hour. several states across the country are easing stay-at-home orders while implementing new restrictions. in texas, stores, restaurants, movie theaters are allowed to open at 25% capacity. arkansas fitness centers are checking the temperatures of members at the door and by monday, some two dozen states, home to roughly 46 million americans, will start lifting restrictions. >> meanwhile, protests erupted yesterday in at least ten states that have not yet lifted lockdowns. take a look at huntington beach, california. hundreds there rallied after the beaches were closed. frustration is really building over the economic impact of the pandemic. >> the fda granting emergency use to the drug remdesivir, making it the first medication backed by early clinical data to

be made available to help combat covid-19. remdesivir will be used to treat the most severely ill patients. the company which makes the drugs says millions of treatment courses may be available by the end of this year. and developing today, the white house blocked dr. anthony fauci from testifying before the house appropriations committee about the administration's response to the coronavirus crisis. but the white house says they will allow dr. fauci to testify at the senate health committee hearing and that will take place in the middle of the month. as of this morning, there are more than 1.1 million cases, confirmed cases of covid-19 in the usa. more than 64,000 people, nearly 65,000 people so far have lost their lives as a result. >> let's go over to the white house with nbc's monica alba. monica, good morning to you. why is the white house blocking

fauci's testimony next week? >> good morning, guys. this is significant given what we expect in the coming week and the week after that. but the white house is essentially saying the reason they would not like dr. fauci to appear next week before a house panel is because, in their words, it would be, quote, counterproductive to have people like dr. fauci who are so intimately involved currently in the coronavirus response dedicating their time to this. i want to read you the exact statement from white house press secretary judd deer says we would not like, it is counterproductive to have the very individuals involved in those efforts appearing in congressional hearings. we're committed to working with congress to offer testimony at what they call the appropriate time. but what's significant here is that just if you look at that statement and you look to next week in the senate, dr. fauci is being allowed to appear before a panel on may 12th which will also be talking about the administration's response to the coronavirus. so while it is not appropriate

in the eyes of the white house for him to appear, next week he is being allowed to appear the week after that. so some democrats came out saying they don't support the move, they would like dr. fauci to provide this testimony. and, of course, he was once a fixture in those daily coronavirus task force briefings that we saw here basically stop at the white house this week when they shifted their communication strategy. now you see the president taking that in other forms. but who you haven't seen taking those kinds of questions is dr. fauci. they shifted him into a slightly different role with dr. birx taking questions sometimes in the oval office when the president isn't there, but those normal q&as that we have come to see with him have slowly diminished over time. this is the latest on the white house trying to control who he is interacting both with journalists and the public if you think about a house committee hearing in the coming weeks. >> and regarding the president's

announcement in the meantime about remdesivir, put in perspective for us what this emergency use authorization will mean and why, if at all, it's significant. >> it's absolutely a very early promising step. they did a study here with about a thousand severely ill coronavirus patients and saw that the drug remdesivir did have good effects on -- in terms of a recovery timeline. so while this is a fast track authorization from the fda, it means formal approval will have to come. it is something that they find very, very encouraging and top doctors like dr. fauci touted the move and the ceo of gillead, who is manufacturing the drug, was here at the white house yesterday touting it. so both the president, dr. fauci and that ceo both saying these are very, very good glimmers of hope, of something that could treat a patient once they have coronavirus. that's different from a vaccine, which is still many, many months away. but this could be good for some of those who are already

suffering from the virus. >> i think we could all use those glimmers of hope right now. monica alba live at the white house, thank you. now to the latest from new york state. still, it is the largest cluster right there of cases in the country. new york's governor, andrew cuomo saying in spite of the stay-at-home order that is in place, 1,000 people are showing up at hospitals every day. >> that is still too high a number of new cases to have every day. it's a lot better than where we were, for sure. but 1,000 new cases every day is still a very high infection rate. we want to get more specific information on those new cases that are come in the door. literally, where do the new cases come from? are they essential workers? are they people who are staying home and getting infected by a family member, or are they essential workers who are still

traveling and possibly getting infected at work. >> knowledge is power. let's go on over to msnbc's corey coffin in queens, new york. you are at a food distribution center. food and security is emerging really as one of the challenges here. i spoke to somebody in new jersey, another hard hit state a couple of weeks ago. she said, you know, it's been a while since i've had a full meal on my table. tell us what's going on. >> yeah. and this as food banks across the state and across the nation are completely overwhelmed. we are here at the al order recreation center turned food distribution center and we are joined this morning by anthony traverse who is the manager here. he's been the manager for the last four years. thank you for being here with us. >> thank you for having me. >> it is incredible what is happening here now at this food distribution center where we have thousands of taxis and limos coming in and distributing

hundreds of thousands of meals a day. >> absolutely. so throughout the city, we have 10 distribution sites scattered throughout the five burrows averaging around 350,000 to 400,000 meals per day. >> now, that has come to some 7 million meals so far in the five weeks that you guys have been operating. >> yes, absolutely. so every week we get a new milestone hit and it's an incredible feeling when they tell us that we've hit another major milestone. >> and you guys are work around the clock here with absolutely no rest, right? >> many of us are working six and seven houdays a week, ten t2 hours a day. we're making sure that we're getting as many meals out as possible. >> of everybody who is able to get a meal out of here, who are the folks who qualify tore that? >> so people that are covid-19

vulnerable and/or people that are food insecure can go online to get food nyc and apply for food. >> we've noticed such a massive expansion for people who are food vulnerable and that, of course, includes the young population. as we have heard now in new york, all schools will be shut down the remainder of the year. that means kids will not be going back to school. many kids got their meals, the key nutrition they need from schools. >> and us here at the food distribution sites are ready to go and help feed as many people as we could. if it ramps up, we are ready to go and ready to give out more food. >> it seems like you guys are raring to go. and you were pointing out a line behind you where the limo drivers and the taxis sit. they're lined up now at this early hour. >> right. there were about 200 vehicles lined up and ready to go before i got here this morning. they're just as motivated as we are. >> how long will you guys run

through? >> we run up until 3:00. yeah. >> obviously, you've been going for five weeks now. do you see any end in sight or do you think this is going to keep going as long as we have this crisis? cancer it's going to keep going until we have the crisis, but we're getting new food in every day and we're distributing it every day. so it's running nice and smoothly. >> well, we want to thank you guys and all of the first responders who are coming out here and all the essential workers who are coming out here helping give food to the needy every single day. that population has grown, it has just exploded over the last several weeks, guys, so we know how important this is. we'll bring you more from this location here in flushing as we get it, guys. >> unsung heros there, corey coffin live in queens. thanks for bringing us you that. joining us now, dr. adalja. what do you make of states starting to lift the restrictions? it's may 2nd already. is it too soon? >> it all depends on where

you're sitting. there are some states that are in better places than other states. there are even parts of states that are better. what you have to look at is the percent of positive tests that a state is having, what their hospital capacity looks like and what their health dcepartment i able to do in terms of contact tracing. then you have to make a decision and you try to make this decision as best as you can looking at real science on the ground about what's going on with the outbreak dynamics in your area. in starting to peel back some of the restrictions in a measured manner, always looking to see are you getting too many cases for your hospitals to handle and making adjustments as we go. and it's going to be different. we're going to be on different timelines in different parts of the country and even in different parts of the state. hopefully this is being done in a measured way where we get some of the economy back without letting the virus run rampant again in our hospitals. >> we talk a lot about a second wave right now, but take a look at the graph. in reality as the country, we're still not even over the first wave. so let's talk about these numbers and how risky

potentially it could be in reopening right now. >> so it really depends on where you are. there are places where it has peaked. this is going to continue because there's no vaccine. we may not get full suppression of the virus during the summer, but we anticipate it accelerating in the winter. so you can't come up with the one size fits all type of program for the entire country. it really has to be done in a manner that really looks at the -- each individual place and what's going on with the dynamics there. this isn't a synchronous outbreak. everybody is on a different timeline. >> but many of the states and cities opening up aren't seeing 14 days of declining cases per the white house guidelines. >> it's definitely risky and you may run into trouble in a place

decreasing social distancing at the same time their cases are increasing. there may be places that have moved too fast and there may be places that are doing this correctly. and we're going to tell in probably about a week to ten days what the result of those types of policies were. and it's not a quick question of whether they're going to get more cases. the question always has to be are those cases occurring at a pace that's too fast for the health care system to handle and put them into crisis or worrying about their capacity. >> we'll leave it there with you, doctor. appreciate your time on this saturday morning. thank you. new pictures out of north korea appearing to show kim jong-un for the first time in weeks. what we know about his most recent reported appearance. plus, biden's response been what he's saying about the allegation against him and how it could affect his campaign. i just love hitting the open road and telling people that liberty mutual customizes your insurance, so you only pay for what you need! [squawks]

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breaking news from overnight, the north korean leader kim jong-un seen for the first time in days. >> quite the mystery here. what's going on? >> yeah. there's so much about this country that we just don't know. we know the north korean leader hadn't been seen in 20 days and there he is at this ribbon cutting ceremony at a fertilizer factory. it is a page out of the north korean propaganda playbook. he was met there with thunderous applause and a hooray as he opened up this factory. he said this factory is giving back to the north korean economy. this is sort of xngtexactly wha said. this is almost the proof of life video, maybe he was sick, maybe he was dieing, well, there he is according to the north koreans. also worth noting that his sister is there with him.

she would be the one who would take over if something happened to the north korean leader. there is still rumors that the reason we didn't see him for so long was the coronavirus, but, again, we cannot verify this information. we can't even verify the video, though. this is what is airing on north korean tv. certainly they are going out of their way to make sure those rumors stop about the north korean leader. >> and president trump has been asked about this and he said i know how kim jong-un is doing but i can't say anything yet. any idea when we might hear from the president? >> no. and he's saying the same thing, of course, about the intelligence that china had maybe lost the coronavirus out of a lab in wuhan, the same thing, that he is hearing things and that he can't share it with the american public. no word if the two leaders have communicated. we know they did that in the past. but unclear if they have spoken at all. it's unclear if the president's comments were in a way that he knew these pictures were coming.

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we're back now with more on joe biden's response to that sexual assault claim made by former senate staffer tara reade. >> she claimed biden assaulted her in the mid 90s. biden on "morning joe" denied the claim but said it should be

investigated. >> would you please go on the record with the american people. did you sexually assault tara r reade? >> no. it is not true. i am saying unequivocally, it never, never happened. look, from the very begin, i've said believing women means taking the woman's claim seriously when she steps forward and then vet it. look into it. that is true in this case, as well. women have a right to be heard and the pressure to rigorously uphold claims they made. but in the end, the truth is what matters and in this case, the truth is the claims are false. >> nbc news reached out to reade for her response to biden's comments. we have not heard back. in the week since reade made her assault allegation, nbc news has spoken with 14 people who worked in biden's various offices at the time of reade's alleged

assault. four declined to comment. none of the former staffers said they had heard any complaints about biden's behavior during their time in his office. >> joining us now is rochelle richie, a former congressional staffer. she worked as press secretary for the democratic policy and communications committee. good morning to you. so, you heard biden right there. he answered the tough questions and, really, he gave some direct answers. is it all over now or did he start a whole new problem for himself? >> no, i don't think that he started a whole new problem for himself. in fact, we've seen this happen time and time again where we see people that are alleged sexual assault victims come forward and they're used as political pawns. we saw this during the kavanaugh hearing. so i think joe biden answered the questions proeptdly aapprop i think he's right. women or men have a right to come forward and speak up when there are allegations of sexual

assault or sexual misconduct. and at the same time, i believe that the cues also deserve to be heard, as well. so i think it's good that he's coming forward, he's being open about it. and he's saying, hey, if the complaint is out there, let's find it. >> so do you think he's put the issue to rest or do you think there will be a dark cloud over him during the rest of the campaign? >> i have to be completely honest with you. donald trump is in the white house who has a number of allegations against him. we've heard him on that "access hollywood" tape talk about sexually, you know, assaulting women without, you know, necessarily their consent, yet he is still the president of the united states. so, yes, it's a dark cloud right now, but we are a microwave society and we will move on, unfortunately. >> i was kind of surprised that biden didn't bring up all those allegations, more than a dozen

allegations against trump. were you? >> no, i'm not surprised. i think he realizes that it doesn't matter. if sexism and racism really mattered in the united states, then donald trump would not be president right now. and i don't think he needs to get into this tit for tat with trump because this is not the first allegation of some sort of, you know, inappropriate sort of touching or, you know, kissing or something like that that we've heard before with joe biden. so i don't think this is necessarily a subject that he or trump want to get involved in. >> you know, you mentioned brett kavanaugh's supreme court nomination process. is it fair to compare the two different allegations? is there any level of hypocrisy that's playing out here? >> well, obviously, the conservatives are being extremely hypocritical. they're looking ferociously at this biden situation but were completely silent when it came to kavanaugh. i think there is a comparison,

but i think the comparison is the fact that, again, we have sexual assault victims being used as political pawns. we cannot senator feinstein had that letter from dr. christine blasey ford in july, but then it came out a week before the judiciary committee was set to do the confirmation hearing for kavanaugh. so you cannot look at this situation and say, oh, they really care about victims. they really care about sexual assault victims. no. it's about political ammunition that they can use against each other. and i, as a sexual assault survivor, am tired of it. >> let's talk about the political game. because biden has committed, as you know, to selecting a woman for his running mate. congressman clyburn who was basically his savior in south carolina, as you know, this week says it doesn't have to be a woman of color. what do you make of that?

>> well, i think the reason that clyburn is making this statement is, for one, if you look at the polls when, say, kamala harris was in the race, she never really polled higher than biden when it came to black voters, never polled higher than sanders. and at one point, she was trailing elizabeth warren. so if you look at that and you ask yourself, does it really matter to black voters if someone, a person of color, a black person, is on the ticket? maybe not so much. and so i don't -- i agree with clyburn that i don't think that he necessarily needs a woman of color on the ticket. i would love to see it. i would absolutely love to see it. but i just don't think that that is -- that is the direction that he necessarily needs to take now. i mean, black people are not going to go out and vote for trump and they're not going to necessarily sit at home, either, just because they didn't have a black woman on the ticket. >> you had p. diddy and naomi

campbell this week who were talking and they were saying that joe biden has a lot to do for the community. >> yeah. >> yeah. for the community, but i don't think that that necessarily means that just because you don't have a black person on the ticket means that nothing can be done for our communities. for one, black people need to start doing, you know, our own things in our own community and not rely on the government. >> and we should mention that we talked about the allegations against president trump and he has denied all of those, but rachell richie, thank you so much for joining us this morning. and we know you've been tweet background your father's battle with coronavirus. we wish him the best, a speedy recovery and we send strength to your family. >> thank you so much. thank you. and vice president joe biden speaks with reverend al sharpton on "politics nation" coming up at 5:00 p.m. eastern today on msnbc. now to the latest developments this morning. >> here is what we know right now. here are the facts. more than 1 million people have

recovered from the virus worldwide. according to data from johns hopkins university in maryland. in the united states, that number is more than 160,000. the number of tests administered across the country now surpassing 6 million. >> the senate plans to reconvene monday and there will be coronavirus testing available for all 100 lawmakers. health and human services secretary alex azar tweeted he was sending about a thousand tests and three testing machines to the senate so they can get back to work. this move comes after reports that there weren't enough tests available to the lawmakers, many of who are 65 or older. >> there are a whole lot of men in washington, d.c. who have nowhere to shop after this. the clothing retailer, j. crew, could file for bankruptcy as early as this week. cnbc has learned sources say the company is looking to secure $400 million in financing to fund bankruptcy.

j. crew had been struggling with the decline of sales across its brands. the coronavirus shutdown didn't help matters. beaches in orange county, california, will remain closed after a judge rejected a request that would block governor gavin newsom's order. officials in huntington beach and dana point sued the state over this beach shutdown saying this is an overreach of authority. beach goers insist that they're practicing social distancing. >> people are staying 8 to 10 feet away. we have our boards. we're respecting what we're being told to do. there's no reason to close there beach down. none. >> all right. turning now to europe where the world health organization is looking into the relationship between covid-19 and nicotine. studies testing whether the chemical can actually help prevent the virus from spreading. >> joining us now live from brussels is nbc correspondent tess sa arsillia. thanks for joining us. many doctors have said that smoking puts people at a higher

risk for covid-19. so what's the caveat here? >> i mean, that warning still stands. that hasn't changed. that's what makes this french study so counterintuitive and controversial. let me tell you first what the french scientists told me. they said they found a lower infection rate for smokers among covid-19 patients and there are 5% of covid-19 patients who smoke versus 25% of the general population who smoke regularly. why is that? they think a possible explanation is nicotine and the covid-19 virus try to attach to the same cell receptor. how are they going to test that hypothesis? they're going to try and use nicotine patches on health care workers and patients. so now because of that study coming out, the french government has had to limit the sale of nicotine products so the public don't go stockpiling this. i spoke to the w.h.o. and obviously they remain cautious and they said they are not

discounting the freven study just yet, but they're going to look into it along with 14 other studies. this is what they told me. >> we have evidence that -- so from the other 14 studies, that say that the risk of having a severe procedure of covid is at least twice as high, right, so that you actually will get to the icu because you're a smoker, you have a double risk of any of the age groups. i could be surprised. >> lindsay, this link is so controversial that i spoke to other public health experts and they say from a scientific point of view, as controversial as it sounds, it's still worth looking into. >> can you imagine cutting to habit after several years and then all of a sudden having to deal with this? tess tessa, we know nicotine is very

dangerous. what are we hearing, could this be dangerous in the end? >> yeah, well, the expert i spoke to said you can liken this to morphine being used for pain. so this is an addictive substance, but they are looking into it. and when they look into nicotine, this is in a highly controlled medical environment and many researchers around the world are repurposing medicine to try and find something positive that could stop this covid-19 virus. so as scientists, they have to look into this, but they have to keep reiterating the warning that this is by no means and encouragement to smoke. all the experts i spoke to said smoking is still a major killer in the world and do not do it and do not try those nicotine patches on your own. >> nbc's tessa arsilla live in brussels. thank you. can you imagine if they said alcohol was -- ward off the virus. >> is examine for some, it does help in a certain way, you know, the happy hours on zoom. back here in the u.s., relief is coming to many florida

restaurant owners and workers. they're preparing to reopen on monday after governor ron desantis gave the go ahead with limitations. >> most restaurants can operate at just 25% capacity inside. diners outdoors will have to remain six feet apart. but some restaurant owners say despite reopening, they're still going to lose money. joining us right now is the co-founder and partner of forbichi modern restaurant in tampa, florida. good morning. thank you for being here. you said you have to lay off several employees. are you going to be able to hire them back now? >> yeah, kendis, thank you so much for having me. yes, so we've already hired almost -- i'm at 85% of the staff i let go of on march 18th. >> that's such good news. and a lot of officials talking about how restaurants can

reopen, they're talking about disposable menus. what kind of changes are you making in order to reopen and make your workers and your customers feel safe? >> that's the highest priority for us. everybody is going to have their choice, whether they're ready to go back out or whether they're not. so we want to do everything we can to protect first and foremost the safety of our employ ayes and then the safety of our wonderful customers. we're going the be doing this in a myriad of different ways. single use menus like you mentioned. we're going to be having hand sanitizer stations at every door and asking customers kindly to sanitize their hands before entering. we're also going to be asking to take temperatures of customers. this being said, since day one, we've been screening and taking temperatures of every employee and asking them the questions if they've come into contact with any covid-related patients as well as we are going to be having masks worn in our kitchens as well as our food

expediters and anyone touching plates, silverware or foods will be wearing gloves. >> and business owners want to reopen their doors. a lot of workers want to start working again and collecting a paycheck. but still, we've heard from some workers who say, you know what? i don't feel safe to go back to work right now, particularly if they're working at a place that is deemed nonessential. what do us to those people right now? >> again, i think everybody has a choice to make. we chose to stay open and to fight for our business's life and it was the right choice for us. at the same time, i give all the respect to people that say, you know, they don't feel it's safe. we're following all of governor desantis and our wonderful mayor caster's guidelines to stay safe. and i just think it's a choice. i don't think now is the time for judging and shaming. i think it's a time for the country to come back together and get our communities and small businesses back open. >> all right. we'll leave it there.

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fight that's been created by covid-19 and college students across the country filing lawsuits demanding tuition refunds. >> yeah. they say campuses closed by the virus deprived them of the educational experience they signed up for. students were ordered to return home. they're now taking classes online. >> but so far, colleges are not inclined to give their money back. dasha burns spoke to students. >> the college experience is far from what students expected or what they paid for. >> i have student loans and i'm paying now for what was supposed to be in class learning. >> which is kind of wild to -- to think that we have to pay $55,000 for the same -- basically the same thing you could find on a corsera for $50 or $30. >> and not all majors are created equal when it comes to online learning. >> in a physics course that has a lab along with it, but i also had an internship with the

anatomy lab on campus and we're lucky enough to actually work with real human cadavers. so we haven't been able to do that. >> theater is about intimacy. it's about that in-person connection and it's about detail. that professor needs to be able to see every minute detail of what they're doing? >> many say they want their money back and some are filing lawsuits. >> these lawsuits are about fairness. the students paid up front for certain services and are not receiving them and are due some of that money back. >> beyond lawsuits, there are now thousands of student-led petitions. they're gaining traction with peers, but not so much with administrators. at nyu's renown school of the arts, tuition runs around 70,000 a year, the dean did respond. ♪ >> and went viral. >> for some students, they saw

it as, oh, that's dean crane doing her thing. other students did not take it well. >> but while students are struggling with uncertainty, so are schools. >> i think the colleges that are able to adapt and be creative are the ones that are going to survive, but i think it's going to also open up this conversation about what college is for. >> it was really weird when the dean started dance to go savage. no, kidding. that was nbc's digital reporter dasha burns. some colleges and universities have decided to refund fees related to campus housing, meal plans and some courses based on base fees. but many like new york university say since the education of students will go ahead through the end of the semester, the university will not refund tuition. let's move on to what is trending. a brewery in south carolina says they're going to have to dump out thousands of gallons of beer because sales are dropping and there's record low demand. a lot of breweries say they've been taking a massive financial

hit. they want the government to step in before they have to shut down completely. >> 80% of our members told us they didn't think, you know, without further help from the government that they were going to last more than three months. >> we think that if they would allow home delivery as well as suspend the 288 ounce per person per day limit, that that would help, as well. >> a lot of vineyards are doing virtual tastings, as well, because of this. to texas now, the san antonio zoo is offer ago drive through experience to bring back visitors while keeping socially distant. it reportedly sold out in just two hours. proceeds will go towards taking care of the animals and rehiring some zoo employees who were laid off. and the 146th kentucky derby has been postponed for the first time since st. 65.

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welcome back. as we turn to the seven for solutions. many americans wonder what the future of the coronavirus looks like. >> harvard researchers suggest there are three ways the virus could end. be killed, die on its own, or we actually have to adapt. joining us right now is risk and behavioral expert. so let's walk through these

three scenarios and what each would look like. first we could in theory kill the virus. what would need to happen for that? >> right. well, i know you want to walk through the scenarios. and i don't want to jump right to the punch line. ultimately this will most likely be something that is an demmic and something we adapt and learn to live with. because the other options are not the nature of this covid-19. this is not mutating as quickly as influenza type viruses do. so that's the good news in that we are going to likely come up with a solution that is much more consistent over time. we won't have to come up with vaccinations that change year to year to keep up with the flu because of how quickly the flu virus mutates. in that sense it's good. it is not going to play out like some of the viruses were hoping that did in the past. ebola was so deadly it fizzled out, killed its host, ultimately

we were able to see it and contain it. it is also not like the spanish flu where another virus replaced it. the environmental and biological results is looking less and less likely therefore it's one of those we will have to adapt to. >> the treatment getting the most attention right now is remdesivir. the fda issued an emergency use authorization to try and treat severely ill patients. dr. fauci spokes about it positively this week. what are your thoughts? >> this is proving useful to reduce the amount of time people are exhibiting symptoms, especially those who have more severe symptoms. it doesn't appear to have any sort of result in limiting the number of fatalities. so this really is a treatment protoc protocol. it's necessary that we figure it out. again, this is going to be a virus that takes its place alongside all of the bacterial

and viral pathogens that have become a part of the risk landscape we exist with. we need to make sure we have treatment protocols. that's great news. in terms of vaccination, that is still something that we are looking into. and the takeaway really is that we can't forget how badly we wanted a vaccination ultimately to reduce the susceptible to covid-19. i implore people not to forget that. when a vaccine does become available, we cannot have the alarming rates of noncompliance the way we do for the seasonal flu vaccine. >> also you have the many anti vaccers who may not be taking it if and when it comes. >> exactly. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> and thank you for watching msnbc live. i'm lindsay riser. >>? i'm kendis gibson. we'll be back tomorrow 6:00 a.m. eastern. up next, alex witt with the race

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first up here on msnbc, more states back in business. even malls reopening. but at what cost? >> did you get any sort of instructions when you get inside? >> yeah. they had arrows on the floor