father's home, that old vw, the one that allegedly carried david's body the night he was killed. still parked outside. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. first up on msnbc, crowd control. new york city police by the hundreds, sent into the streets and parks on one critical mission. back in business, restaurants and malls in parts of the country open their doors with some surprising results. short cuts. the potential dangers in rushing to create a coronavirus vaccine. is it even possible? bird's-eye view. a different perspective from the flyovers that are saluting front line workers. good morning, everybody. it's sunday, may 3rd.

i'm kendis gibson. >> i'm lindsey reiser. thank you for starting your day with us. look at tampa, florida. the stay-at-home orders have been lifted except for hard-hit south florida. tomorrow, there will be a partial reopening of shops and restaurants, with social distancing. capacity will be 20%. >> i don't think anybody in that picture or the shot got the m o memo. starting tomorrow, more than two dozen states, home to roughly 146 million people will be open for business. arizona, indiana, kansas, nebraska, all of those set to ease stay-at-home orders, while implementing new restrictions. in florida, stores and restaurants will be able to open at 25% capacity at all but three counties. we spoke to a restaurant owner

there yesterday who is excited to reopen. all businesses in missouri can reopen, so long as they maintain social distancing. the governor has given a green light for concerts to begin again in that state. >> in new york city, 1,000 police officers dispatched this weekend to enforce social distancing as warm weather draws crowds of people outside. the nypd has made 60 arrest s related to social distancing, since the city's stay-at-home policy began in march. new york has been the epicenter of the virus in the united states. starting tomorrow, all costco shoppers and employees will have to wear face coverings in stores. a lot of costcos will be returning to normal hours tomorrow. on capitol hill, a live shot right here. the sun is coming up and senators are set to return to washington, d.c. this week. nancy pelosi and mitch mcconnell, in a rare, joint statement, declined the white

house's office to provide congress with rapid results tests. congress will instead rely on the current testing protocol until the speedier tests become more widely available. let's get you caught up on the numbers. as of this morning, there's 1.1 confirmed cases across the country. 66,000 people have died. >> let's head to monica alba, who is at the white house. quite a sight, that flyover that took place. we'll talk about the testing on capitol hill. why did congress turn this offer down? >> reporter: good morning, guys. there was an outcry from senators who were concerned about having to return to work in washington, d.c. tomorrow, without this ability to test everybody. so, they made an initial request over concerns of not having enough testing in the white house. and hhs secretary alex azar immediately offered the tests. he offered the testing that give

results in a matter of minutes and 1,000 tests for capitol hill to distribute and use when they return this week. in a statement from nancy pelosi and mitch mcconnell -- you don't see the two agreeing on that much, unless and even issuing a statement together in their names, they said thanks but no thanks. i want to read you a part of that statement. congress is grateful for the administration's generous offer to deploy rapid covid-19 testing to capitol hill. but we decline at this time. our country's testing abilities is to scale up and congress wants to direct the sources to the front line facilities where they can do the most good, the most quickly. you're hearing from both leaders saying, there isn't the right fit for us, but there's a need to test the senators. they will have to get creative about how that happens. in terms of the back and forth between them and the white house, listen to how white house press secretary kalyleigh mcenay

says, it's not up to them to make. >> when we heard about the inquiry to asking tests for congress, we acted and wanted to provide the tests. it's the decision of leader mcconnell and speaker pelosi to decline that offer. >> reporter: and the president weighing in overnight with his own tweet, saying there's no reason to turn down the tests. and then, also taking a swipe at speaker nancy pelosi. saying maybe she will use this as an excuse not to show up to work. it's worth pointing out that speaker pelosi has been on the hill in recent weeks, trying to negotiate the various relief packages and doing interviews. in terms of her not working, i believe she is working. whether the house is not in session. but the senate returns next week, this will be a question for the aging population of senators. and then, washington, d.c., also hasn't yet met its peak, according to health officials.

so, double the concern there. kendis and lindsey? >> yeah. a lot of concern for the elderly senators and congressional leaders as they head back to capitol hill. nancy pelosi has been wearing her mask, unlike many people in the administration. nbc's monica alba at the white house. thank you. now, to the latest from new york. here's a live look at times square. pretty drizzly out there. it's the city's most popular tourist attraction. >> is it? >> yeah. >> hard to tell. >> sometimes you might see somebody actually laying in the street for a selfie, taking advantage of a photographic moment of all those empty streets. >> you know it's weird times when elmo is not there in times square. >> elmo and a few characters. >> not the same in city parks, though. look at this. that's the famous mountain in central park. crowds ventures out on what was a warm, spring day, with 1,000 nypd officers on their heels to

enforce social distancing. >> a very strange sight. >> it was. cori coffin joins us right now from times square. amazed that you were able to get that location and a spot this morning. new york is still seeing an average of 1,000 people getting sick and going into the hospitals. do they get the sense that the warm weather and temperatures will bring additional challenges in managing the spread? >> reporter: yeah, that's the number one concern, kendis and lindsey, as the warm weather brings people out. we saw the striking images. so many people clamoring to get out of their house. once the rain lets up today, that will likely be the case again today. and officials say they will keep up enforcement. we saw some 1,000 cops yesterday, to warn people to keep their distance from each other. they'll continue to do that today.

and they'll continue to offer understanding that people need to get out of their house. they need to do it safely and smart. >> we expect people to come out. we don't want any organized activity. we don't want crowds gathering. we don't want someone barbecuing with their family and friends. we need people to stay apart, stay separate. come out with your loved one. you can walk, exercise, ride a bike. but don't start gathering together. we're going to go out. there's people without masks in the park. we're not looking to summons someone because they don't have a mask. cops have the packages of cloth face masks that we're giving out to people as they're on the streets, reminding them, you save a life by covering up. >> just keep smart, as you do this. and even still, the city is going to be closing some seven miles of streets. those will be streets that are nearest the parks to allow people and bikes to be able to properly social distance.

they can walk in the streets. that will be across all five boroughs. and mta will shut down service, from 1:00 to 5:00 a.m. they will disinfect buses, stations and trains in an effort to keep everyone safe. this will happen every 24 hours. and this is happening as new jersey, the neighboring state, starts to reopen, as well. they are seeing parks and beaches and golf courses opening. they have to be extra careful. they are reporting their second day of highest deaths, even higher now than the state of new york. >> everybody wants to be out and soaking in the sunshine when the rain clears today. but there's a tension outside when you're on the path and you're like, okay, which way do i go to avoid this person? >> i had a woman walking opposite of me, going like this, to show her six feet apart. >> absolutely. it's the same for grocery stores. how do you do that dance to get the apple around the person and not invade their space, too.

>> msnbc's cori coffin, painting the picture for us in times square. pennsylvania will begin its regional reopening this week. but some businesses have the green light to resume operations. >> this week, governor wolf allowed private campgrounds, marinas and golf courses to open. but with changes to ensure social distancing. maura barrett is live at a golf course just outside of philadelphia. good morning to you. how are businesses and residents reacting to materially reopenings? >> reporter: guys, they're really excited. pennsylvania didn't have golf courses open for the past two months. they closed down back in mid-march because they were really trying to contain the spread of the virus. same with the marinas and the private campgrounds. and so, governor wolf expressed concern about people's mental health as the weather gets nicer and he wants people to get out and about, socialize at a

distance and get fresh air in. that's why he allowed golf courses to open this weekend. we're outside of philadelphia. and the executive director of several courses in the area, tells me this is their busiest weekend in years. tee times are booked about 95% capacity. but some of the restrictions they're putting into place, they're not opening clubhouses yet. any golf courses are only doing carry-out in restaurants. they're not allowing congregation on the putting green. we won't see people practicing there. and they're only supposed to show up ten minutes before their tee time. and then, they walk the course, for the most part. the golf courses that are allowing carts, are limiting those people to one person per cart. they're doing a slow rollout into these openings. but the executive director here is telling me, they're excited about being open, excited about people coming out. but there's a lot of uncertainty when it comes to looking ahead to the summer and how they will be able to develop business from there. take a listen to what he told me just yesterday.

>> we're spending a lot of time just researching and making sure that we can leverage other businesses and check in with the cdc on what the best practices are, so that we can keep everybody safe. i think most importantly, we have to be flexible because we don't -- we don't know what things are going to look like in a month. >> reporter: so, the northwest and the north central parts of pennsylvania are allowed to slowly start reopening some businesses but not restaurants or beauty shops or anything like that, starting next friday. here, closer to the southeastern portion of the state in philadelphia, they're saying this won't start to reopen those types of businesses until a lot later. and just across the river, in new jersey, golf courses are opening there. but the governor warns this weekend, with the activities reopening, saying this is going to be a test for residents because, as easily as he can reopen the businesses, he can close them again if people aren't being smart. guys? >> i will say having the last couple of months off from golf,

does give a great excuse for a lousy handicap once you get on the course. >> it's the quarantine. >> seriously, it's my quarantine swing. >> we'll see. 14 l let's bring in dr. benjamin salter. we're talking about states reopening. dozens more tomorrow. some golf courses in philadelphia and pennsylvania, 90%, 95% capacity for tee times. is this too soon? >> good morning, guys. that's a really complicated question, i think. i was in the park yesterday, in central park. and the citizens of new york and everybody really just excited and anticipating just things slowly start to open. and i think everyone who led into my segment right now is right. we have to do it slowly.

and we have to do it with flexibility, and we can go back and forth. if something happens like a second wave, or there's concern, we have to have the flexibility to do that. but every state is different. and every state has a different amount of cases. the businesses in every state are very, very different. >> valid. good point right there. you look at that map and look at the maps that show where it is all right now, at what point do we know whether some of the states were open too soon? and if that's the case, do you think that states will have to reinstate the stay-at-home orders? >> i think that's an excellent question. and i think states will have to be revisiting that idea every, single day, if they start to

open. >> you've seen the numbers. what about georgia? did they reopen too soon? >> i think that, in my opinion, i think that a lot of the states are considering it a little bit too soon. but i'm more of a conservative when it comes to that. and i'm not really the expert in that area, to say that businesses should be reopening at a certain time, or any of that. i'm just more conservative in that regard. >> dr. fauci has called a second coronavirus wave inevitable. doctor, do you agree with that? and would a second wave happen in fall or winter alongside flu season? or are we talking about a potential second wave because of the reopening? >> specifically with regards to what dr. fauci said, i don't think that -- i'm certainly not the person -- the expert to say there will be a second wave to talk really about the specifics

of it. do i think it's possible? absolutely. do i think that opening up too soon can cause that? i absolutely do. but again, it's something that everybody needs to be flexible about, if we start to reopen, it has to be on everybody's mind and we have to be smart about the precautions that we take and the social distancing. and you have to do it at a graded level. you have to go slowly to address everybody's fears. i mean, we've been in quarantine this long, why push it too quickly? that's my opinion. >> i can understand that. dr. salter, you've been on the front lines for so many weeks at mt. sinai hospital. you've seen what a curve or wave that we're on right now. what has been your experience there at the hospital? and where are we, as far as new york is concerned?

>> i think that, you know, my personal experience has been, the best word to describe it would be overwhelming. i've seen, you know, the overwhelming response of physicians and nurses and p.a.s and all of the health care workers has been overwhelmingly awesome. but at the same time, the power of this virus has been overwhelmingly awesome. and it's just been really, really life-changing to see how quickly all of this happened in the hospitals. and the response has been really, really swift and solid in new york. i think we're fortunately on a plateau and coming down a little bit from what our peak was a couple of weeks ago, which is excellent to see. at the same time, it's very guarded, in that, like you guys have been talking about, a second wave can come if we're not careful. and we have to remember that

just because we're on a downswing or a plateau, it's not over. there's lots of patients in hops and lots of loved ones that are still very, very sick and we cannot forget that. >> that's a good point to make, dr. benjamin salter. thank you for the work you do. we hope you and your colleagues continue to stay safe. >> so many states reopening right now. we need to remember that just friday, the u.s. recorded its highest number of deaths yet, in the daily total. it is still on the rise in many parts of this country. in the meantime, a surprising announcement from one of america's greatest investors. warren buffett talks about the stocks that he's outright dumped because of coronavirus. plus, one of spain's most iconic traditions canceled. how the pandemic is putting some of europe's main cultural events in jeopardy. pardy. and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq.

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we're back, now, with a look at the economy. and some headlines related to coronavirus. >> billionaire investor warren buffett announced he and his conglomerate have sold their entire stake in four major airlines because of coronavirus. >> yeah. speaking of air travel, starting monday, delta, united and jetblue airlines will now

require all travelers wear masks while flying. >> and macy's plans to reopen all of its 775 stores in the next 6 to 8 weeks. the department chain is also going to require employees to wear cloth coverings, some kind of face mask, and avoid physical contact with customers. joining us sabile marcellus. what is a macy's department store experience going to look like? >> it will be completely different shopping during the coronavirus pandemic. macy's has announced it plans to open all of its stores within six to eight weeks. and the we they will do it is being very cautious. they will require employees to wear face masks. the experience will be

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i came in here. i penalty i spent, almost, a little more of 72 hours on the ventilators.

i actually came off the ventilators. i think it's just about a week now. here it is because of the professionalism, the care and all the good things you could think that is responsible for patient recovery that was given to me at mt. sinai. i'm now able to go home to my family today. >> what a message of gratitude. that is a survivor of coronavirus, with a message of hope, thanking those workers who treated him. glad to see he was successfully taken off of the ventilator and gets to go home soon. >> there's a process, as they clap people out as they make it out of the hospital. they will clap him out and that will be a wonderful moment. new deaths in italy, clearly doubled over the weekend, after several days of declining numbers. that said, the number of new

cases there has remained steady. this is the last day that italians will have to spend in full lockdown, which has been the longest in europe. restrictions will ease slightly starting tomorrow. back in the u.s., protesters crowded the nevada state capital yesterday, to protest the governor's extension of the state's stay-at-home order. some retail businesses are open with restrictions. but a lot of residents are ordered to stay home until the 15th of this month. demonstrators say they believe the state has already been closed for too long. >> now, he's given us another 15 days. and i believe, after the 15 days, he's going to give us another 15 days. and 15 days. i mean, come on. it's insane. >> to the west and california. a caravan of about 100 cars delivered supplies and gratitude to farm workers in salinas. items included dry and canned

food, diapers, toilet paper. >> toilet paper? >> it's a hot commodity. and plenty of masks. they want to thank those harvesting and packing crops that stock grocery store shelves. we want to show you the scene over atlanta yesterday. the u.s. navy blue angels and the air force thunderbirds did a flyover, all in support for front line workers. with e saw th we saw this no new york and new jersey over the week. it was the last stop over washington, d.c. and the blue angels and thunderbirds are planning more flights. >> 22 flights in all. it was quite a scene on the national mall yesterday. a lot of people were gathered close together and were not wearing masks. but it is quite an honor for many of the front line workers. this whole thing, according to "the washington post," cost $1.3 million out of the pentagon

budget. across the globe, tourism industries are feeling the effects of the virus. >> countries are forced to cancel some of their most iconic events, including spain, which called off this year's running of the bulls. joining us willem marx. thanks for joining us. we want to talk about how big of a blow it is to small businesses there. we heard last weekend, germany postponie inine ining oktoberfe. now, spain, with running of the balls. these are iconic events. >> oktoberfest in munich. that's a huge event for people and businesses there. and the same with the running of the balls in the city of pamplona in northwest spain. it is key to the revenues for a lot of the restaurants, the c e cafes, the hotels there, in july. without it, it will be difficult for a lot of those businesses, according to people we've been speaking to, to survive. and more broadly, across spain, the second-most visited country

on earth, by tourists normally, up to 90 million visitors from overseas each year, the tourism industry expects things to get back to normal next year but this year will be difficult. we talked to businesses about what kind of measures they will have to take about glass between tables and reduced capacity seating. and these are low-margin businesses at the best of times. trying to stay afloat, above water, during this period, is going to be incredibly difficult in spain. >> willem, i noticed you were at a bullfighting venue in spain a few days ago. you get a sense this pandemic could have long-term implications for the bullfighting industry there? >> you know, kendis, this is a $5 billion industry across the country. although it has been dwindling in popularity in the last 10 or 15 years, we've seen around half the attendance numbers drop off and a lot of the arenas are

closing. it is still very, very important for the agricultural sectors, some of the breeders involved in that. we spoke to them, they will have a difficult time because they can't sell the animals in the sport. the ancillary businesses around it, the tailoring of clothing for the matadors. that will be a challenge. and thesmatadors, they are earning huge sums of money. they are sports stars. they aren't able to work and have no revenue coming in. and a lot of them saying, they're concerned this will have an impact on the attendance numbers going forward. critics, of course, who call this a barbaric sport, are hoping that's exactly what happe happens. and we've seen some elements in the sports around bullfighting, they have been banned. some of the critics hoping that even the major bull ring events might, themselves, get at least a little more rare in the future. >> yeah. a lot of people that rely on bullfighting there in spain. one group that's very relieved by all of this, the bulls themselves.

our thanks to nbc's willem marx, live for us in london. thanks, will. >> i lived in spain about ten years ago. the plaza day toros, they are landmarks in every city in spain. now, on to what's trending. people are spending up to three hours waiting in drive-through lines, wait for it, for mcdonald's and burger king, as the chains reopen locations around the world. got to get your big mac. >> okay. in paris, lights across the eiffel tower -- i -- no judgment. total judgment. -- tower in tribute to medical workers fighting the coronavirus pandemic. france is preparing to gradually lift lockdown measures starting may 11th. former secretary of state hillary clinton sending two messages via twitter. she posted a picture of her with a mask saying vote across it. i'm wearing a mask and voting for my country, my community and

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as the senate prepares to return to capitol hill tomorrow, mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi rejected an offer from the administration to provide congress with rapid covid-19 testing. >> in a joint statement they

said, consistent with cdc guidelines, congress will use the current testing protocols that the office of the attending physician has put in place, until the speedier technologies become more widely available. >> joining us now is gregory me meeks, thanks for being here. >> good morning. >> why was the administration's offer of testing declined? >> i think as we're advocating in all of our districts, testing, testing, testing, we want to make sure that testing is done with all of our first responders. i think it was a joint statement, both -- so it wasn't politics or anything of that nature, because the house and the senate. we're going to be guided by, as we have been, by the house attending physician on the proper protocols of which we should utilize. >> president trump responded, tweeting there's no reason to turn it down except politics. we have plenty of testing. maybe you need a new doctor over

there. crazy nancy will use it as an excuse not to show up to work. but this was a bipartisan rejection. do you feel mcconnell and republicans are getting a pass here? >> well, clearly. you know, the guy at the white house -- he's the only one really playing politics with all that's going on. he's been doing that from the very beginning. i think we've been focused on trying to get work done. that's why when we've had important bills to deal with, trying to make sure we pass the payroll protection program. we were there to vote. they were extremely important things to get done, getting it done. doing it in a unitization of a new technology. i've been on zoom and doing zoom conferences, you know, throughout almost every day, working hard, talking to my colleagues, different committees have been having individuals on to talk to us. just the other day, in the financial services committee. we've had a conversation with

some of the leading small cdfis to talk about what's taking place with reference to the ppp process. so, we're doing our work. i'm working hard. i'm working from -- get up at 8:30 in the morning until 9:00, 10:30 at night. when we have something to vote on, we'll get to washington, d.c. >> we appreciate you getting up at 6:45 to speak with us. are you worried about going back to congress and getting all together in this room? not calling a lot of congresspeople boomers, but there's a lot of old people in congress. and this virus kind of targets the elderly hard. are you guys worried about any of your colleagues getting together in that room? >> if i would say i wasn't worried about some individuals getting sick or some of our members have, i would not be telling the truth. i am concerned about a number of our -- especially even more,

some on the senate side than on the house side. the members who are more at risk. and so, yes. there's concerns. but you know, there's concerns also for individuals that are doing their daily work, you know, those people who are on the front lines. i think again, there's something that's important for us to get done, there's a vote that we have to have. we have done that. and we've followed the protocols as i've said all along, of the doctors and scientists. and when they feel when it's safe for us to come back, we'll be there on a continuous basis to do everything we need to get done. and i have the confidence, i know, in nancy pelosi and our leadership, to make sure that we will be there and we will do things in as safe a manner as possible.

>> and on the economic impact here, you tweeted that the purpose of the relief payments is to provide families financial relief during a crisis. not for banks to garnish over existing debts. the letter representative iona presley issued guidance or regulation to make that clear. tell me about the stories you're hearing from our constituents about banks taking relief chex before they can even by groceries with them. >> yeah. it's just absolutely horrendous. the purpose and the goal of the checks was to put these dollars into the hands of individuals who are the most needyest. those people that have no other way to pay for food or anything of that nature. and we tried to do something on the federal side, so there would be no federal garnishment. we have private institutions and some banks and others that are coming into the banks, trying to take the money before it gets into the hands of these

individuals. that's unconscionable. so, my colleague, congresswoman presley and myself, said we have to put a stop to this. this should not happen. i take my hat off to the attorney general of new york, who also issued something out to the banks saying if you do that, the state of new york will file lawsuits and will be coming after you. we need to make sure that the regulatory bodies now make sure that the intent of the law is upheld and the intent of it is to get the money in the hands of these individuals who were victimized by -- tremendously by the pandemic. >> indeed. that's an important thing, indeed. congressman gregory meeks. there's a twitter side called rate my skype room. i would give your scape room, eight out of ten. is that a picture of younger you above you? and that is obama era oval office photo? >> you got it. that's right.

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still bad despite a stay-at-home order. trav, though, has decreased by 60%. but methane gas is still released. >> joining us now, climates desk reporter for "the new york times." kendra, good morning to you. a new study found there will be fewer, 11,000 fewer deaths, rather, in european countries because of the drop in fossil fuel pollution. what's the connect there? >> right. so when we drive cars, when we take airplanes, it releases a kind of pollution called pm-25 pollution. we think of it as smog. because we're not driving, we're not emitting smog. that's making it easier for people to breathe. i would hesitate to call it a win for the environment, because as we know, lots of people are dying. many species, especially in cities. depend on humans for food. so a lot of species are struggling.

so it's kind of a nuanced balance. >> i'm not sure if i'm happy about that or not. the overall lack of pollution, though, how much is it really helping the environment overall? >> well, it's less a question of how much is it helping the environment versus how much is it helping people. it's helping people tremendously because one of the things we know, a factor in getting the worse variance of covid-19 is air pollution. if you have been exposed to higher levels of air pollution across your lifetime, you're more likely to die from covid. we know there are direct health benefits to having cleaning air. will it continue as we get ought of lockdown. china went up in beijing and shing high. in the area where wuhan is, it increased. more people got into cars because of social distancing. they were afraid to take mass transit. as we get off lockdown, how do we mike sure the pollution

levels don't rebound. they're planning to redesign how the city is laid out, putting in a lot more bike lanes, space for pedestrians so people can practice social distancing without having to drive. >> kendra, thank you for joining us this morning. >> really fascinating. at least living in a big city and growing up in new york city, i having seen the stars in the skies for several, several years. in the last month, it's been fascinating. thank you for watching msnbc live. >> we'll be back next weekend at 6:00 a.m. eastern. coming up next, alex witt talks live with cathy okathy hochul w women are impacted most by coronavirus. her explanation ahead. and it won't be their first experience with social distancing.

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