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livelihoods -- unfortunately, i think joseph fair's shot just dropped out for us. ashley, i want to go back to you with this. i'm wondering when the president and his team are weighing -- is it the economy? and does it tie directly to his political prospects going into november? and i asked that, because when i went to one of the rallies during the primaries, a new hampshire rally, i went around and i asked dozens and dozens of people why they liked donald trump, and why they were voting for him again. and every single one of them mentioned the economy. and they mentioned their stocks, and they mention their 401(k). >> that's exactly right and this, perhaps, answers this question. but in the previous question, i should have mentioned he is also listening to his campaign advisers and his campaign team,

who are showing him internal and public polling about where he stands on coronavirus response, and how he matches up against joe biden in some of these critical swing states. so, in talking to white house officials and people in the president's orbit, they say that, look, on the one hand, of course he actually cares about public health, public safety, and human lives. the president, himself, has said, you know, one life lost is too many, and we are well beyond that low benchmark. but they, also, say, privately, look, this is political. there's no world in which you are not going to have political considerations in an election year, and you're exactly right, katy. the president, himself, has tied his election hopes to the economy. he often talks about people's 401(k)s going up. that's obviously not the case right now. oftentimes, when he is asked about certain voting demographics, such as black voters, who he has trouble reaching and turning out to support him, he will, again, talk about the economy. so he is deeply aware that if there is not a recovery, it will

really hurt his re-election chances. he keeps on talking about, and people close to him, a v-shaped recovery. that there's going to be pent-up demand and it's just going to laser-like skyrocket but that actually only happens if there is tracing for the virus, if there is adequate testing for the virus, and if the economy starts to bounce back. >> it's hard to rehire people when -- when people don't want to go back to work, or when restaurants reopen. and -- and people don't go to dine in those restaurants, it's hard to make a v-shaped recovery, if people don't have the money to spend any longer. ashley parker, thank you for your reporting. hans nichols, thank you for all your good reporting as well. we appreciate it. ahead, the senate is back in session but things are going to look a lot different on the hill starting today. the changes being made inside the chamber and beyond. and, later, did china engage in a covid-19 coverup? the accusations being leveled in a new department of homeland security report. it's best we stay apart for a bit,

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us live from capitol hill. so, garrett, what is the first order of business for the senate? >> the first order of business, tonight, will be confirming a nominee to be inspector general of the nuclear regulatory commission. the rest of the week is, largely, taken up with what is the senate's unique purview in the federal government, which is confirming executive branch nominees. so there'll be some coronavirus-related committee hearings and activities, and one coronavirus-related confirmation hearing. that, for the inspector general who'd be in charge of all the pandemic relief oversight. but, for most of this week, it's focused on nominees, like the president's nominee to be the director of national intelligence and at least one federal judicial appointee. >> how much appetite is there, from senators, to take up more coronavirus legislation? is there any appetite to listen to people who are screaming at the top of their lungs that they can't pay their rent? or they can't pay their mortgages? >> yeah. i think there is a lot of

appetite, among lawmakers, to take up another relief package here. the problem is, unlike in the previous iterations, there's much less agreement on what that looks like. there's real division between the parties on a couple of key issues. democrats wanting to make sure there's money for state and local governments set aside in this package, and money for things like vote by mail. republicans wanting to make sure there's indem thinkty for businesses. then the president last night saying he wants a payroll tax cut. but the point is unlike in the other iterations of the relief bills that have come forward in congress, they're just starting much farther apart now, in terms of what will be needed next, beyond a general sense that their work is not done, katy. >> why is that, garrett? because there -- there are some red-state republicans or red-state governors and republican governors and say they need cash from the federal

government to pay their teachers, to pay their ems workers, to pay their firefighters, to pay their cops. >> yeah, and it's not exactly red versus blue. in many cases, it's how hard your economy was hit by the coronavirus pandemic. and that doesn't even necessarily mean that you had an enormous number of coronavirus cases. if the shutdown was particularly egregious to your local economy, you might be feeling that heat a little bit more. i think this will be a very interesting area of negotiation. i talked to one republican senator today, who told me he's not sure that there needs to be big buckets of more money. but there needs to be a lot more flexibility for how the state and local governments can use the money that's already been allocated to them. so far, it's -- the money that's been sent has been only focused on direct coronavirus-related expenses. not the things like you mention, paying your firefighters, your teachers, your cops. that's places where state governments have taken huge hits, and where they don't have money that they are able to spend yet. i expect to see a lot of negotiation around that exact point. katy. >> the people who make states

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series with a very big concern in florida over its beaches. starting today, restaurants and businesses, in some parts of florida are open, but with a condition. they can only operate at 25% capacity. some beaches in florida are now open, as well, and while it is relatively easy to ensure limited capacities for restaurants and businesses, it isn't as easy to do so for beaches. you are looking in tampa. people are definitely out there. but these aerial shots show that some people are trying to social distance. setting up makeshift barriers out of rocks and seaweed. it is very different from what we saw in clearwater, back in march when large crowds of spring breakers packed the beach despite growing covid-19 concerns. joining me now from clearwater beach is nbc's sam brock. sam, today, too, when i was talking to you, i noticed that

there was a buggy with a couple police officers that were supposed to be enforcing social distancing, instead, were shaking hands with one beachgoer who ran up to them. how is the enforcement actually going over there? >> yeah, eagle eye tur there. nice spot because we had not seen it in real time and after you pointed that out, all kinds of people were tweeting at me about it. this moment it seemed there was almost a bro hug between the guy walking on the beach and the people who are supposed to be enforcing social distancing. they high fived and did kind of a half hug. i am not seeing a lot of that right now. what i am talking about and seeing is you see lanes behind me. there's police officers that have been driving through here, trying to tell people to keep their distance. now, how well that is working really depends on what snapshot you are looking at. from the ground level, you will see a lot of people that appear to be close together. from up above, as you mentioned the aerials, it seemed like the spacing was better. but just anecdotally, katy, i

have seen people playing football out here. groups of 15 or 20 people tossing around the ball. that would seem to go against social distancing. a lot of them are trying to stay distanced, by and large, but it really is just what vantage point you are looking at what point in time. i will say this. the crowds, and they have thinned out a bit, are nothing compared to what we saw six weeks ago. and there has been a concerted effort from the commissioners here and certainly the sheriff not to see a repeat of what we just did months ago. >> sam eagle eye because i am paying close attention to all your reports. i am also a little bit jealous because i'd love to be on a beach right now. but, again, i -- you know, we have to stay inside and help protect everybody. >> no, i would not. i'm wondering what your mask tan is going to look like. but that mask tan is for good. you're doing good, sam, so keep it on. sam, even if those around you are not.

sam brock, thank you so much. now, let's head to another part of the south, the florida south. miami beach, where the beaches are remaining closed. joining me now is miami beach mayor dan gelber. mr. mayor, thank you very much for joining us. your beaches are still closed. tell me what goes into that decision. >> well, our beaches are closed because, first of all, we're different than clearwater. we've got, you know, thousands and thousands of covid cases. i think, probably, of the 13,000 cases in florida, a third of them are in dade county. and about, you know, a third of the deaths almost are in dade county. so we really are still a hotspot. and, of course, the challenge we're going to have is, assuming we can get the disease presence to a level we can manage and we have all the, you know, the tracing and the surveillance testing, we still have to be able to control social distancing. and our beaches attract tens of thousands of people. they're open beaches. you can't limit them to

residents. and, frankly, we expect if we open them up, we are going to get an incredible amount of people that will be very hard to manage. so we're probably going to wait until early june is what i suspect my commission is going to do and my city manager. >> wow. early june. what do you think of what they're doing up in clearwater? >> listen. i don't judge any other places in the state. i'm just worried about my, literally, corner of the world. but i think everybody has to be aware of the fact that in a hospitality community, and our state is, in many regards, a hospitality community, it's a volume business. you open up and to our venues, our promenades, our restaurants and bars and obviously our hotels, an immense amount of people could come so you got to be ready. you got to have all those countermeasures in, especially tracing and surveillance testing because, otherwise, you're flying blind. if we get all that done, then we can start to think about how to open up things like our beaches

and our promenades. realizing that we may get high capacity there. we have to, still, be able to respect social distancing. we're not ready to walk away from that yet. >> are people in miami beach wearing masks? >> some are. we opened up a very popular park in south beach and we had to actually close it today because just too many people were coming there, and too many people without masks. so, while we'd opened up our parks to give people more opportunities to socially distant themselves, i guess, that particular park was so popular that we had -- we had to really shut that down, at least for now. >> the new projections we just reported at the top of this show, from the university of warn wash, th washington, 135,000 people will die they project by august. and the range could go to over 200,000. when you consider that, and they are taking into accounts states that are doing their reopenings, is it a good idea to start these

reopenings? >> it's not a good idea to start to rush into them. i mean, the problem here is we came to this late. we didn't take care of it as we should have. and, now, it's gotten to the point where if we -- if we rush out, we're going to make the same mistake again. so we're not rushing. we're taking our time. we're going to listen to a group of doctors we have assembled from all over the country, including locally and elsewhere, and when they tell us is the appropriate time is when i believe our commission will act. because, while this has a huge economic crisis, at its root, it's a healthcare crisis and that's what has to be respected most. >> well, let me ask you that. as an elected official, how do you balance lives with livelihoods? >> you know, it's everyday thing. and we see it everywhere. obvio obviously, when i see my colleagues out in a food line --

it makes you realize -- but at the end of the day, we've lost, already, had we not done any measures, it's likely to have been many more than that. i mean, they're obviously different and you have to respect the economic challenge. but that is not enough to justify putting people at risk. really, not just a little bit of risk but deathly. >> mayor dan gelber. not in an enviable position right now. mr. mayor, thank you very much for joining us. >> and next up, new questions and new accusations from the trump administration concerning china and the coronavirus. stay with us. severe rheumatoid arthritis. and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill... ...can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain,

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we took a lot of grief for that from the outside. but i think the whole world can see now. remember, china has a history of infecting the world and they have a history of running substandard laboratories. these are not the first times that we've had a world exposed to viruses as result of failures in a chinese lab. and so, while the intelligence community continues to do its work, they should continue to do that and verify so this we are certain. i can tell you there is a significant amount of evidence that this came from this laboratory in wuhan. >> welcome back. secretary of state mike pompeo doubled down on his claim that the source of the coronavirus pandemic originated in a wuhan laboratory. the same claim previously made by president trump. and while both have said that they have evidence to back this up, the intelligence community says there is no such smoking gun. the office of the director of national intelligence went so far as to release a statement, last week, saying they have reached no such conclusion about how the outbreak began. this comes after nbc news reported that the white house has tasked the intelligence

community with investigating questions about the origin of the virus, including the extent to which china covered it up. and it comes as "the associated press" was first to report according to a department of homeland security report, also seen by nbc news. that china intentionally concealed the severity of the virus, while stockpiling supplies. betsy woodruff-swan, msnbc contributor. both have been reporting on the government investigations into the origins of the virus. so, ken, let's start with you. what, exactly, do we know? >> well, katy, there is a circumstantial case. reasons to question whether it's possible there was an accidental release from not one but two labs in wuhan because, for one thing, they were studying coronaviruses in bats. and there is an early research paper that showed three out of four of the first cases had no

documentable link to that wuhan wet market where researchers first thought that the virus originated. and, by the way, that theory is still on the table. there's, also, sort of a raft of suspicious things that -- that happened. and one fact is that this virus is not found in bats anywhere within 100 miles of wuhan. but it is gathered by researchers and taken to the lab there. so there is a number of reasons to ask questions. there was a wikileaks cable where they found a shortage of trained technicians. but there certainly is not, according to our intelligence sources, any kind of conclusive evidence or smoking gun and we don't know what they've overheard while intercepting chinese communications or what they have gotten from human sources on the ground. but we do know they are telling us and they issued a public statement that they assess either way whether it came from a lab accidentally or whether it was animal to human transmission

and it's strange to see the secretary of state and president getting so far ahead of where we are on this. >> what about the report that senior administration officials were pressuring the intelligence community to find a link between the lab and the virus? >> well, there is certainly some concern. what they have done is they've asked questions, which it's reasonable for the administration to say, hey, intelligence agencies, go find out whether this came from the lab. what would be unreasonable is if they were exerting political pressure for the agencies to come up with a conclusion. no one has said that definite live definitively, katy. but it was interesting to see the dni issue that public statement last week saying we've concluded this virus wasn't manmade but we have not concluded whether it came, accidentally, from a lab or whether it came in nature. while the president's saying he's seen convincing evidence. by the way, white house officials tell my colleague carol lee that when the president said that, he did not mean he was talking about an intelligence assessment. he said he'd seen evidence that convinced him but it hasn't convinced the cia and national

security, katy. >> okay. interesting. betsy woodruff, what are you hearing from your sources? >> the important thing to highlight, i think, from this dhs intelligence report that you all have reviewed and that i viewed as well, is that it documents, with some hard numbers, how exactly the chinese government was making decisions about imports and exports of medical supplies. while it, simultaneously, was telegraphing to the international community that the coronavirus pandemic wasn't as bad as we now know it is. there are two specific numbers in this report that i think bear highlighting. one, the report says, in january, the chinese government increased the country's import of face masks by 278%. we all know the demand for face masks has absolutely skyrocketed as this virus has spread. and the other piece of data that's really important is that, in that same window of time, before officially notifying the

world health organization obt how contagious the novel coronavirus was, the chinese government also slashed its export of ventilators by 45%. that's another key medical supply that's just become in extraordinary demand as this pandemic has spread and those are numbers that have drawn a lot of attention within the administration. >> given those two factors that you just reported here, is it fair to even ask if the white house is using china and blaming china and putting a lot of the frustration with them as a way to deflect from this government's own response to this virus, betsy? >> i think it's an episode of multiple things being true, at the same time. there's broad consensus and indisputable, factual evidence that the way the chinese government handled the outbreak of the novel coronavirus contributed to it becoming a global pandemic. that's true. there is also broad,

indisputable evidence and the trump administration and other political leaders in the united states, including new york democrats, made big mistakes, early on, that also contributed to the fact that we've had such a horrible outcome in this country as far as deaths related to the coronavirus. of course, the trump administration is going to point to china as perhaps the only responsible actor. trump's up for re-election in a couple months, as we are all extremely aware. and is going to do everything that he can to try to get re-elected. and going after china and going after vice president joe biden's relationship with him or interactions, i guess, maybe relationship's a little strong, with the chinese government is going to be a key part of his election campaign. but just because trump is saying the chinese government made mistakes, doesn't mean the chinese government didn't make some really terrible mistakes. >> ken, is the implication here that if china was just more transparent about what was happening, that this government would have been able to respond sooner? and would have taken it more seriously?

>> that is what they're saying but i think betsy's 100% right about this. that, even if you take everything at face value, that china covered up, that china didn't level with the world, that they hoarded medical supplies, it does not excuse or explain the utter inaction by the u.s. government in the month of february. when the u.s. intelligence community, clearly, was warning. and we've reported that this issue was mentioned in the president's daily brief in january and february, more than a dozen times. now, trump is now saying he was briefed only on january 23rd, and that the briefing didn't convey the level of seriousness that, ultimately, this pandemic would result in. but, certainly, in mid-february, people knew how serious it was. and donald trump was still saying it's going to go away like a miracle and he wasn't harnessing the power of the federal government to get ready. and, even now, we don't have enough tests. so nothing that china did weighed on those very serious shortcomings we are all living with right now, katy. >> can i just go back to what you said before? the president saying he's seen

information that the intelligence community is not ready to say links the virus to that lab. can you expand on that? >> yeah. he was asked a question at -- at -- at a briefing, whether he had seen evidence that gives him high confidence. that's an important term of art in the intelligence community that the virus came from that lab, and he said it had but he couldn't describe it. but, then, sources later told us he wasn't talking about an intelligence assessment. when i reached out to intelligence officials about that, they talk in generalities. well, the president has lots muof sourc sources of information. we're justice one of them. the cia, the office of director of national intelligence, they have not seen evidence that causes them to conclude that definitively this virus was leaked from a lab. and they may never get that evidence. >> ken and betsy, thank you guys appreciate it. thank you. and next what will american school kids face whenever they finally get to go back to school? we look abroad for some insight but as we go to break, the fight against the pandemic continues

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welcome back. today, new jersey joined the growing list of states keeping schools closed for the rest of the academic year. while here at home, schools in 45 states and washington, d.c. will be closed through at least june. several countries in europe are preparing to reopen their classrooms in the coming weeks. schools are already open again in den vashg and norway and some students in germany returned to the classroom today, although classes have been split into two. and younger students will continue learning from home. our reporter is in berlin where schools are open again. >> reporter: hi, katie. a very strange back-to-school

day here in germany. but another small step toward reopening the country. not all students heading back to the classroom today. germany is prioritizing its older students. so anyone that needs to take final exams or need to move from one level to another, to primary from secondary, they are coming back first. i visited a school here in berlin where 6th and 9th graders were having their first day back and things looked a lot different. desks are spaced out with about five feet between them. students and teachers were wearing facemasks in the classroom, even though that is not required nationwide. and the chooses themselves, they're different, as well. they're shorter, only 90 minutes in instruction in total. they're coming at different times and different days. the goal to prevent a large gathering of students in the school building at the same time. not everything is going smoothly. one teacher told me, it's basically impossible to get students to maintain their social distancing.

as soon as he turned his eyes or classes were over, students were gathering in large groups. they're excited. they haven't seen each other for a long time. now, the debate here in germany, as in many other countries, is can they really keep students and teachers safe? that is one of the biggest concerns. in fact, one student told me she was really afraid of bringing covid-19 home to her family. but despite all of that, the general feeling here is that students and parents are happy that things are restarting once again. in fact, later this week, we should hear more about when younger students can get back to the classroom, as well. >> nbc's carl hasman in one of the most iconic locations in berlin. thank you very much. and thank you all for being with us. sorry about that busy signal earlier. we got it fixed. we'll be back with more tomorrow. and breaking news coverage continues right now with "the beat with ari melber" after a very short break. n standing with them for nearly a hundred years.

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welcome to "the beat." i am ari melber. we begin this week at a precarious time in our nation's battle with this coronavirus pandemic. many governors are pressing forward to reopen. tonight, the majority of states are reopen in some way. the trump administration now rocked by further bad news. we have reports on all of that tonight. i'll also be joined by democratic mayor