>> melissa etheridge walking us through what she and her artists and people she works with are facing. wanted to show you a little of that conversation. also tonight on instagram, i'm speaking with kim osorio, hip-hop journalist and great person. that's tonight. and tomorrow, nancy pelosi, speaker of the house of representatives on the beat. join us tomorrow with speaker pelosi live. keep it here now on msnbc. good evening. i am steve kornacki in new york. it has been almost two months since we shut down the country to slow the spread of the coronavirus. during that time we saw case counts surge, death rates escalate to terrifying heights, and tens of millions of americans lose their jobs. thanks to americans willing to endure the pain and isolation,

daily increase in new cases appears to be stabilizing. we heard when this began about flattening the curve. many parts of the country, it is a reality. many states are in the fragile process of reopening. eight states today took that step, meaning 35 in total began to lift restrictions to gradually reopen economies. we saw yesterday, reopenings are cheered on by the president. >> certain states are going to have to take more time getting open, and they're doing that. some states aren't going fast enough. i believe you can go to parks and beaches, you keep the spread, you stay away a certain amount. >> state governors weigh the economic cost against the public safety, they're also contending with protesters that continue to demonstrate this weekend, often crowding together without masks, as the virus unchecked by a

vaccine or availability of any widespread treatment. with the death toll exceeding 60,000 the white house once projected, the president is revising the forecast. >> we're going to lose anywhere from 75, 80, to 100,000 people. that's a horrible thing. i used to say 65,000, now i am saying 80. no matter how you look at it, at the lower end of the plain if we did the shutdown. >> mitigation efforts may have flattened the curve, former fda commissioner pointed out we're not seeing the major decline in rate of new cases that was expected to come with this. here's what scott gottlieb said. >> while mitigation didn't fail, i think it is fair to say it didn't work as well as expected. we expected to see more significant declines in new cases and deaths around the nation at this point and we're not seeing that.

>> and this comes as researchers at the university of washington today announced a major revision to the projected death toll. they project 135,000 americans will have died by early august of coronavirus, nearly double the previous estimate of 72,000 fatalities. joined by donna shalala of florida, and an internal medicine physician and medical contributor, and jonathan swan, national political reporter at axios. thanks for being with us. doctor, let me start with you. reading through some of the stats about flattening the curve, what scott gottlieb said about we flattened it but it is not going down, it seems that's leaving us in a very difficult in between place where we have accomplished some of the major goals, major challenges we talked about at the beginning of this but we are still enduring

quite a few cases. where does that leave us? >> so what's happening, what we're seeing is a patch work of public health measures. what we really need to see happen is widespread consistent, coordinated activity on behalf of the public, but also that has to come from leadership at the federal level, state and local level. right now the only, most effective measure we know in terms of reducing transmission and lowering the curve is good old fashioned public health measures of physical distancing, staying home, washing hands, covering our faces. in the absence of fda approved treatment, cure, or vaccination, that's what will work. >> what do we do then? it has been two months. people have been in the houses, people have been good about this, people lost jobs, watching their savings dwindle. in a lot of cases looking at numbers, watching the future

disappear. we have flattened the curve, which is what they were told we need to do. what is the message now, is the message you've got to stay in this condition until we have treatment or vaccine? is there an in between is this. >> let me push back. actually, i don't think it is accurate and we have television evidence, video evidence, not everyone is staying home, right? we know that not everyone is staying home. and i get this. i am a human being, i want to go outside and be outside too. we know for a fact not everyone in the country is staying home. and ideally it is because they feel in my county, my city, we won't see so many cases. you don't know what you don't know. and in the absence of widespread testing, we don't know how many people have the virus. and we know we've symptomatic transmission. so we also know that you, me, anybody can carry the virus and infect others. until that happens, we're not going to see a true flattening,

persistent flattening, certainly won't see a decline until we have widespread physical distancing. >> congressman, let me ask the same to you. to millions of the mernlamerica tens of millions that are following the guidelines, many cases have lost their jobs, played by the rules when it comes to this, and it has been two months now. is the message stay like this until there are widespread treatments or a vaccine or is the message we're going to get you to some in between place? >> well, there's no such thing as an in between place. maybe we can open some parks so people can get out, walk their neighborhoods as long as they practice social distancing and for the most part wear masks when they go out, but we have not done the testing. we don't know how many cases we have. flattening the curve isn't good enough. we have to go downwards and more importantly we're going to have

to have contact tracing as part of this, and i personally think we're going to have treatment. all the conversation is about a vaccine. we never found a vaccine for aids. now it is more complicated, and it is easier to make a pill than a vaccine, so just getting a treatment would help as part of the strategy. i hate to tell people to be patient. i'm impatient. i hate being inside so much. i go out at 6:00 in the morning and walk the neighborhood. but frankly we have not had enough testing kits, we're not testing everyone that's giving us services now, whether they're in hospitals, whether they're cleaning buildings, or whether they're in grocery stores. until we have testing for them, we're just going to have to demand our public leaders get

that testing supply, purchase it, preferably centrally by the federal government, and get everybody tested that needs to be tested, a much deeper group of people, so we can see decline in numbers. meanwhile, we have to figure out creative ways people can get fresh air. >> let me ask you about that. i hear you on the testing. i want to ask you some specifics about what's going on in the state you represent in florida. florida is beginning phase one of the reopening. you've got retail businesses, restaurants open at 25%. florida is one of the last states the governor issued a stay at home order. there were dire predictions when that happened, "the wall street journal" reporting public health officials warned of a devastating wave of infections that could i mperil the senior population. so far they dodged that fate. the key change is the behavior of floridians.

they didn't have a stay at home order until april 3rd and congressman, i ask you this. i remember this. when this happened, governor desantis in florida, one of the last to order stay at home, you said he put the state in a dangerous situation. you said numerous people will die because our governor hesitated. i want to ask you how you feel about that a month later because i'm looking at the statistics from florida, the death rate in florida is significantly lower than states with the worst outbreaks. six deaths per hundred thousands. 97 in new york, 56 in massachusetts, 42 in louisiana. one death is too many obviously, but were dire predictions of what would happen in florida wrong? >> no, they weren't. remember, he only opened part of the state. the the devastating news in

miami-dade, broward, palm beach where he didn't lift sanctions, look, we have had 36,000 cases, 1,379 deaths. that's one too many. he is taking a big risk because floridians travel a lot. and he is doing it before he has adequate testing in all of the places being opened. we don't have adequate testing in restaurants. i don't care if they open only 25%. if all the people there are not being tested, then i am worried. we don't have adequate testing as i indicated in grocery stores or anything else that we are opening up. without that testing and without contact tracing i think we're putting people at risk. most public health people would agree with me. it looks like maybe you could open some rural areas, but i believe the next spike in the country may well be in those places.

they're simply lagging behind. this disease doesn't know where it is and we don't know enough about it. taking this kind of risk i think is very high risk. this is about life and death. and we have to figure out a way in which number one, he should fix the unemployment system since we have given him hundreds of millions of dollars and less than 20% of the population has been able to get on unemployment. >> jonathan swan, we mentioned new projection from university of washington, their model on this has been widely watched. also a stir today when "new york times" reported on an internal administration document based on data from the cdc which appeared to predict a dramatic up tick in coronavirus death toll by early june, but the model was incomplete. it was apparently designed to show extreme range of possibilities, this according to jonls hopkins professor that created it. he told "the washington post" they're unfinished projections shown as work in progress, it

was not in any way intended to be a forecast. yet the numbers still made their way into a government report. had the cdc logo on it, among other things, the model in the report seemed to suggest another 200,000 americans could be infected by june 1st, eight times the daily rate of new cases we see today. jonathan, given what the scientist behind this is saying, given how dramatic numbers are, dramatically different from what we see on the ground now, do you have any sense how this document got an official cdc seal on it, how it got to see the light of day and be presented as what seems for awhile to be an official administration document? >> i don't know the exact chain of events. i do know it was presented by fema and that it was not presented in the task force that you see that meets and comes out, the task force led by mike

pence. people in the administration, some had seen this. many had not. i spoke to sources in there pretty taken aback by it. number one, because the modeling that dr. birx has been sharing internally has not been as bleak as this. it has been more optimistic in terms of death count. but secondly, there was a huge amount of anger at the white house that this should leak out because what they want to do is pivot away on a messaging standpoint, pivot away from talking about death counts and health statistics and all the grim news of the virus and they were wanting a sort of morning in america, being a little facetious, but a pivot towards the economy reopening, bright days ahead, showcase businesses reopening. you've seen that in the last week. this was a very inconvenient

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i don't care. if it is another country, i will tip my hat off to them. we have to come up with a vaccine. we are working with other countries. >> welcome back. that was president trump expressing confidence there will be a vaccine by end of the year in an opinion piece posted in "new york times," several economists warn massive financial investment is required if we are to achieve a goal anything like that. the challenge facing us has been underestimated. vaccines often take ten years to bring to market. we want a new vaccine as fast as possible. the u.s. government could go big, create a covid-19 vaccine, advanced market commitment guaranteeing to spend $70 billion on new vaccines. today, european union hosted an online donor conference, they pledged $8 billion. the united states didn't participate in that. for more, joined by a pediatrician, director of national center for disaster prepared nls, and susan athc

from stanford graduate school of business. one of the authors on the "new york times" piece i mentioned. doctor, let me start with you. you make an argument. you say something that resonates with everybody. you say we are desperate for a vaccine. you have a specific proposal here on how you think that can be sped along most efficiently. take us through what you're talking about. >> sure. when we think about the vaccine, most vaccines have a high chance of failure, even in the clinical trial phase. and there are risks not just in efficacy and safety but risks in scaling up to the magnitude we are talking about. hundreds of millions. when we think about getting the world economy going, which is important for the u.s., billions of vaccines. and scaling that up quickly is unprecedented. we can have failures in getting

the manufacturing facilities certified. we also may have supply chain bottlenecks, think of swabs that happened with diagnostics, bottle next in the pill and vials and so on. in order to take as many shots on goal as we can, we need a much larger scale approach. it is like having optimal portfolio for investments. here we think of each vaccine candidate is a risky investment, and there's also correlation if we have two or three candidates on the same platform, they may all fail for similar reasons. you take all of that into account, we think you need a portfolio of 15 to 20 vaccines that are subject to accelerated investment, so we would be ready to get them out to the world once we know they're safe and effective. that's simply unprecedented. and it requires very strong incentives for firms. they're going to be producing when the risk of failure is

still quite high. so what we're looking for is a mix of what is push and pull, where you subsidize the scale up of capacity that gets people to repurpose existing capacity used for other profitable things as well as pull which is incentives pay for outcomes. whoever gets that vaccine ready and is ready to distribute it widely will get a guaranteed high price for the vaccine. that induces them to speed up and be ready to produce. and that combination of push and pull incentives is what we think is needed to get people to make the unprecedented effort. >> i understand the point you're making, massive investment that will incentivize all sorts of innovation and potentially speed this along. let me ask you quickly in terms of the time line, you're going to hear experts say this is impossible in the next 18 months, two years. how fast do you think this could be accomplished?

>> well, so i'm not the expert on how likely these are to be effective. you will hear people say we never tried to get to the scale of tens of millions, hundreds of millions this fast before. but i wouldn't be writing our proposal if we don't believe it is possible, and indeed when -- things that may not have been economical before become possible when the incentive is strong enough. so what we're arguing is if you place that incentive there, and need cooperation from regulation to preregulate manufacturing facilities and so on, we could be prepared within a year or so to scale up. the six month timetable depends on which candidate you're talking about. if some succeed, it is easier to get to scale quickly. the ones moving fastest have less, may have less track record in terms of manufacturing at

scale, so each of the candidates has their own risk to getting up to large scale production in a short time frame. >> doctor, let me bring you in on that. your view is it is going to take some time to get a vaccine. >> yeah. true, steve. >> listen to what susan is describing, could that make a dirch difference in your view? >> there are several limiting factors to creating vaccine rapidly. one is incentives, making sure whoever makes the investment to develop the vaccine has a guaranteed market to sell them afterwards. i don't think that's the problem now. we have hundreds of laboratories that are commercial, academic, et cetera, working on this. there's a certain part of the process can't be accelerated, specifically human trials. they take a really long time, and for a very good reason. we can't be producing, distributing, giving vaccines not tested for efficacy and safety in particular.

that's a process that takes a certain amount of time. and don't forget, the fastest vaccine we ever have made was for mumps, and that took four years. we still haven't made a vaccine for hiv, aids, hepatitis c, so i think the president is kidding himself. people that think this can be accelerated by money or investments or desire are really unfortunately putting themselves in a situation that's not realistic. it just cannot happen. >> yeah. let me ask about one outside the country, i approach it as a layman, i am hoping for a major break through like everybody else. i see news in the newspaper, online, i get excited if it looks encouraging. i want to run this by you. oxford university, you probably have been hearing about this. one of the folks working on this says she's -- this is what she's saying, she says she's 80% certain the vaccine her team is working on will be successful inoculating against covid-19.

the team plans to go to human trials in the next two weeks. asked the british government to back the manufacturer of tens of millions of doses before trials are completed so if they're successful, the vaccine will be available to roll out immediately worldwide. is there any reason on the spectrum of hope to have hope? >> listen, there's nothing more i would like than to see something like that developed quickly, but i don't know how you accelerate the process of making sure the vaccine is effective and safe. and by the way, the production, j and j is working on it also, talking about being able to develop 900 million vaccines over a certain period of time, but like you indicated earlier, steve, we need billions and billions of doses worldwide. there's a lot of hopefulness out there, but no one has an idea how you can accelerate the human trials. i'm going to be obsessive about this point. i'm not giving my grandchildren a vaccine that's had limited

human trials. had too much experience over the years with trials that turn out to prove that a vaccine is not as effective as it needs to be and or certainly not as safe. we cannot take a chance on this. i am waiting to hear somebody like the oxford group or j and j tell me how it is and how they rationalize hastening of the process to make sure the vaccine is safe. there's just nothing out there that has convinced a lot of us that that's feasible in any kind of way. >> appreciate that. thank you for joining us. up next, some in the trump administration say there's enormous evidence the coronavirus originated in a lab in wuhan, china. we breakdown what we know and don't know after this. >> first thing is that we had a co-worker die. she worked on another floor, but she contracted covid here and

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confidence that it originated in the wuhan lab? >> martha, there's enormous evidence that that's where this began. we've said from the beginning that this was a virus that originated in wuhan, china. we took a lot of grief from that from the outside. i think the whole world can see now. >> welcome back. that was secretary of state mike pompeo over the weekend declaring there is, quote, enormous evidence that the coronavirus originated in a research lab in wuhan, china. pompeo did not provide details about the evidence. this puts the secretary of state in line with president trump who made a similar assertion last week, also without details. >> have you seen anything at this point that gives you a high degree of confidence that the wuhan institute of vierology was the origin of the virus? >> yes, i have. >> what gives you the idea it originated there. >> i can't tell you that. not allowed to tell you that.

>> that's one the nation intelligence agencies say they've reached, not yet. in a statement released the same day as the president's comments, office of director of national intelligence wroit the intelligence community will continue to rigorously examinee merging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in wuhan. for more, joined by david ignatius, foreign affairs columnist, author of a spy novel. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. trump and pompeo are talking with confidence here and trump saying he has seen something to give him this confidence. the director of national intelligence, the only thing with specificity that's come out there was to say it was not genetically engineered, not man-made in the lab. do you have any sense what trump and pompeo are referring to here? >> steve, i honestly don't.

the intelligence agencies have been clear in public statements, intelligence sources i talked to have been clear that they have no evidence whatsoever that the chinese deliberately created this virus in a laboratory, that it is man-made, engineered, no evidence whatsoever. they have a strong conviction that's not so. on the question of how the covid virus emerged in the first place, there's a lot of speculation but no proof. there's circumstantial evidence because there are two virology labs near where the initial outbreak took place, there's circumstantial evidence speculation that perhaps some of the viruses collected at the labs for scientific research purposes may have accidentally gotten out. somebody walked out, having

gotten infected in the lab, garbage was improperly disposed of, all sorts of things happen at labs. many scientists think the acts didn't take place in the lab but nature, passed from one species to another, a natural accident. i think the point to make is that china really does need to help the world understand as best we can the answer to the question you posed. how did this happen? how can president trump's secretary of state pompeo's criticisms be answered. it is in the chinese hands to make an investigation that's credible so we know answers. >> and so much of the suspicion here gets to china's lack of transparency and some of the information that china was passing off in the early stages of this. there's also this, u.s. officials accuse china of covering the severity so china

could hoard medical supplies. a new report indicates that in early january, quote, china initially delayed informing the world health organization that the coronavirus was a contagion, and at the same time, china dramatically increased imports of surgical masks, gowns, gloves, while cutting exports of the same items. talk a little more about that period in january when this was just a distant headline in the united states. i think very few people thought it would get here, obviously at this magnitude. what are we finding out about what was happening in china then? >> china is a ruthlessly self interested police state, and we know that in january as the magnitude of the outbreak in wuhan became apparent to the chinese authorities, they basically panicked, instituted a series of emergency measures,

dispatched top party and pla army officials to wuhan. scientists who were trying to investigate the origins of the virus initially had a lot of latitude, but i discovered a paper published by two scientists in southern china saying specifically that they believed based on the evidence they had seen that this was an accidental release from the wuhan institute of virology, that was published in china and immediately suppressed. it was taken out of circulation and the scientist who was the principal author gave a completely unclear response when asked about this by "the wall street journal" many weeks ago. the chinese had been trying to contain information. there's a famous case of the courageous dr. lee in wuhan who tried to spread word of how serious this was who was

arrested along with other doctors that were trying to do their jobs, i mean, that's how hard the chinese were trying initially to keep the lid on it. they seem to have then come to more reasonable positions, but in the beginning, there's no question they were trying to suppress information, didn't know what was going on, were in their own version of panic and disorganization. >> thank you, david, for the time and insight. appreciate it. all right. up next, the hunt is on for joe biden's running mate. we fire up the big board, we'll look at who will be joe biden's number two. stay with us. time that i suit u, there is a chance that that's the last time. 300 miles an hour, thats where i feel normal. i might be crazy but i'm not stupid. having an annuity tells me that i'm protected.

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jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> well, there you go. you can be the vice presidential nominee, get a line that lives forever. lloyd basin was the running mate for michael dukakis, he got that line off in the vice president debate with dan quayle. might have been the most famous thing dan quayle was involved in, maybe the potato thing too. that's what happens. you get number two on the te ticket, you can have a moment like that. joe biden, now that he is the presumptive democratic nominee, he is starting to look at potential running mates, has to make a decision the next couple of months. take a look, see if we get that going. here's what we know so far about joe biden. he said it will be a female

running mate. third time in history, 1984, sarah palin in 2008 with john mccain, third major party female vice presidential nominee in history. fourth time on the ticket because hillary clinton was at the top of the ticket in 2016, but you'll have a major party, female vice presidential candidate. that's what we know. any male prospects, take them on a list. which females might biden look at to put on the ticket. look at some prospects being talked about. by no means a comprehensive list. these are names. you can start to see what the calculations might be for biden behind some pictures. look at elizabeth warren. she's somebody who the base, the true believers of the democratic party, base of the democratic party, activist, has a lot of energy. elizabeth warren could bring that. gretchen whitmer, governor of michigan, she's been in the

news, amy klobuchar. what they could bring you, michigan obviously very important state. one of the states trump flipped in 2016. could whitmer ensure the democrats hang onto michigan. minnesota, a state that the democrats won in 2016, but it was close, point and a half. republicans, trump are talking about flipping minnesota in 2020, making a push. klobuchar could shore up minnesota and maybe help again in that sort of critical midwest area. geography might be on the mind of biden, party base if he looks at elizabeth warren. stacey abrams, the party base has been excited about. she's openly campaigning for the job, more than anybody else. val demings, congressman from florida, her name in the mix, got attention during the impeachment hearings. that's somebody that doesn't have the same national profile of warren or klobuchar, but we have seen surprise choices. the governor of new mexico, that

would be a surprise candidate. kamala harris, saw candidates that lost in primaries turn around to be picked as nominee. and the wildcard. you see the veep stakes. there's always four or five under consideration, and there are surprises. remember sarah palin. there's also this question. once you put the candidate on the ticket, what do they deliver. these three, lloyd basin, most famous moment a vice president got, came to delivering home state of texas for dukakis couldn't do that in 1988, and he got swamped in the general election. jet stream couldn't bring his home state to the democratic ticket. paul ryan couldn't bring wisconsin to the republicans. had tim kaine in 2016, he did have a swing state he represented. did get virginia for the

democrats. this is the most important thing when it comes to joe biden and veep stakes. it is this. it is the age that joe biden will be if he is elected. first inauguration, donald trump was the oldest person inaugurated, beat out ronald reagan, william henry harrison. if joe biden is elected, he moves to the top of the list. 78 years, 51 days. that's what makes the vp pick so important. may not be can they carry a particular state or the election, is joe biden a one term president because he is 78. would he run for re-election at 82. and potentially serve until 86 or would he be a one term president, putting the vice president in prime position for 2024. that's a lot of power joe biden has potentially with that pick. he could pick a vp. if they win, he said last week, he thinks of himself as a

transition figure, could put that vp in position to become the nominee or be certainly a major contender for it. it is an important pick as things go. still ahead, trump banking on an economic recovery, start of one in time for the election. what are the chances of that happening? will it be enough to get him reelected? we're back after this. woke-up-ls migraine medicine. the 3:40 mid-shift migraine medicine. introducing ubrelvy™. it's the migraine medicine for anytime, anywhere a migraine attacks without worrying if it's too late or where you happen to be. one dose of ubrelvy™ can quickly stop a migraine in its tracks within two hours. many had pain relief in one hour. do not take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. few people had side effects, most common were nausea and tiredness. ask your provider about ubrelvy™ or access doctors from home with telemedicine. migraines can strike anytime, anywhere.

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the coronavirus panic, president trump's re-election campaign is shifting gears to try to tout the president's response to the crisis. in a new television ad, the trump campaign heralds what it calls an message on the economy as more states begin to reopen. the president's stewartship of the economy is central to the pitch. i'm joined by susan paige, washington burro cheer and jonathan allen, political for nbc news digital. susan, it's interesting. we're talking about states beginning take steps towards reopening, more doing that today and a new model that's come out, an updated model from the university of washington with a death toll of well over 100,000. people are still dying as states are reopening. do you have any sense what that means about how people think about the economy in a political context? >> you know, we know people are concerned about the economy. there are a lot of americans out

of work, worried about making their next rent payment. what we know also from every national public poll is they are more concerned about the health consequences what is happening with this pandemic. there is a good store of american patients trying to do the right thing and deal with the economy. that is one of the big risks the president is taking. he's clearly really eager to get the economy going again but if there is a repercussion for that that people see in their own lives and health, in the health of their families of their neighbors and of their friends, that is going to make for a tough reelection campaign for president trump. >> it does, i wonder, john, when i look at this how much of this just depends on the trajectory. we talk about the politics and what might happen in the fall and november. i almost feel like say tell me what the trajectory of this virus is. if it's anything like it is right now, it's -- you just the

terrible position and see that center stage if there is a scenario where there is some kind of breakthrough or unexpectedly positive development, it would change the politics completely, wouldn't it? >> i mean, everybody is obviously opening for the shortest possible trajectory for the disease in the public health threat. the issue the president is facing is that so many of the people in his administration who are public health experts and disaster response experts, members of the task force as nbc news report kexclusively last week told him they fear a resurgence of the virus if the economy opens up too early and they believe there aren't enough tests and realize there is not a vaccine or treatment. so that public health element is so incredibly tied to everything that's going on in our lives in everyone's lives across the country including the economy but the president can only really affect one of those things which is the economy

because even if you wanted to, he's not going to be able to stop governors from bringing people back to work. so i think he's going after the thing he can control and i think he's going to hope that the disease is less bad than some of the people in his administration think it will be. >> in his town hall last night that we were talking about, president trump was asked by a viewer who appeared to be friendly to him overall about his interaction with the media throughout the pandemic. take a look. >> the question i have is about your presentation. why do you use descriptive words that could be classified as bullying and why do you not directly answer the questions by the press but speak of past successes and generally ramble? >> i'm greated with a hostile press, the likes of which no president has seen. the closest is that gentleman up there, they said lincoln, nobody got treated worse than lincoln. i believe i am treated worse. you there, you see those press

conferenc conferences, they come at me with questions that are disgraceful to be honest. disgraceful. >> susan, the answer from trump to the person asking that question was -- let me reconsider this. how central to his reelection strategy is the tension with the media? >> yeah, first of all, of course, lincoln had the civil war. he had assassination but nothing with what we have now. it's really a remarkable statement by the president that just makes you wonder what's going on, but here is the thing, presidents get reelected in optimistic times and they tend to get defeated in modern times if americans are posseessimisti. they defeated an incumbent president in 1992. we were in a recovery, americans didn't feel it and decided to go with bill clinton over george h.w. bush. this is a threat to trump's

presidency if americans feel as down beat about both the state of the nation, the health of the nation, the economy of the nation as most americans feel today. >> i think you just put that really well there, susan. you said it much better than i was struggling to a minute ago. that really is -- you see incumbents who have lost reelection. you've seen where the sentiment was and tell me where the -- how the country is feeling about the coronavirus in the fall and i bet that's the best way to find out how this election is going to go. nobody knows how it will be going in the fall. we'll see. susan paige, thank you. jonathan allen, thank you. appreciate that. up next, good news for baseball fans. stay with us.

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before we go, we got the news that will give sports fans something to smile about. early tomorrow morning it's not major league baseball, not the nfl, not college basketball but live professional baseball will return to espn. you'll see the top teams of south korea's top leagues. they will broadcast six games a week in english. you have to stay up late to watch. the season opener is 1:00 a.m. eastern time. other games will air at 4:00 a.m. and 5:30 a.m., of course,

you might be able to dvr those and watch them during the day or the night next. south korean baseball take me out to the ball game. thank you for being with us 6789 don't go anywhere, "all in with chris hayes" is up next. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. as we bring to a close another monday in quarantine, the question that is sitting like a knot in my stomach is this, it continues to be this, what is the trump administration's national strategy for conquering the disease and getting the economy back on track? the answer remains as of this dare that there is none. in fact, it's become increasingly clear the strategy of the trump administration is to just give up. to essentially declare defeat in fighting the virus and suppressing it. we gave it a run. we did not do what is necessary so we'll let the outbreak spread. that's just not the view of chris hayes, cable news host saying