welcome to a very busy tuesday afternoon. it's meet the press daily. the president is traveling in the second time since all of this. i'm chuck todd. as the death toll now surpasses 70,000 people in this country. new york times reported and two people familiar with the matter is that the white house is beginning the process of winding down the coronavirus ftask forc

even as the national crisis rages on and is getting worse. vice president pence confirmed the news. he said it could be disbanded with federal agencies going back to their old roles by memorial day. it sort of fits with this belief inside the white house that somehow june 1st is going to be a moment where this is a little more in the past. we shall see. a will the of questions about that. right now president trump is in arizona where he is touting the administration's response to the crisis and he confirmed he's looking to end the task as well and form a new group as he focuses on roping the economy. this is his first real trip into the public outside of washington since march 28th. he did send off the uss comfort up to new york in norfolk. that's been about it. the president down played models that show a significant spike in deaths as states begin to reopen. dr. fauci is warning of a

rebound if states are not careful but president said he would not let fauci testify before house republicans. he will let him testify before republican lead committees. the president's attempts to shift attention towards reopening comes amid so many warning signs that the u.s. is not fully prepared for a public health stand point to safely do this. the curve of new cases in new york may be going down but the problem everywhere else it's not going down. new york. that's a downhill trajectory. everywhere else, not so much. look at the fact that testing is still an issue in so many parts of this country which raises the country into whether the and his allies will try to minimize the warning, choosing to refrain the debate kind of like the president's pal chris christie is doing suggesting that reopening the economy is not about safety. it's actually about sacrifice. >> will people be able to

swallow the notion if these projections are right of nearly 3,000 deaths a day. >> they're going to have to. >> what should the message be? >> the message has gone through significant death before. we've gone through it in world war i, world war ii. we have gone through it and we have survivored it. we sack firificed in the live ie same way we have to stand up for the american way of life. >> wow. >> we're going to endure this. >> comparing keeping the economy going to the american way of life. we've got full coverage from our nbc news team joining me now from the white house.

i'm going to start with vaughn because that's where the traveling white house is. arizona, highest daily death toll reported yet. here is the president talking about disbanding the task force. he was there to tour honeywell. what else have you seen? >> reporter: exactly. he was in route here this morning. there was news from the state of arizona that the highest single death toll took place yesterday. 33 arizonans. you continue to see last week more than 1300 positive cases. depiet the 20103 degree temperature the cases spread. he just took part in a round table with native american leaders. he was asked about that disbanding of the coronavirus task force and he said that it's time to look toward a new group. exactly what that knew group looks like is still unclear. at the same time, i want to read a quote. this was about 60 seconds ago.

the president said quote, i'm viewing our great citizens of this country as warriors. we can't keep our country closed. we have to open our country. he repeated the people of our country are warriors. will some people be affected. yes. we have to get our country open and get it open soon. he is here in arizona. you saw him come down the stairs of air force one without a mask on. he's taking part in this session without a mask. he is being bet by the republican governor who just yesterday announced by the end of this week, retail here in the state will mostly be open. on monday in dining sfe ining s will open as well. in february, the president was asked about the spread of covid-19 through china. at the time he thought by april with warmer weather that you would see the virus go away. we're here in may. the temperature has been over 100 degrees for more than a week and the president is here for a reason. that is the fact that covid continues to spread throughout the country.

chuck. >> kicking us off. let's go back to the 18 acres there of the white house that hans is standing in. in some ways, this feels about the third or fourth attempt the president has made to disband the task force. it's pretty clear he wants to move, at least, perception, that there is no -- this is not about fighting the virus. it's about reopening the economy. he wants to push the virus into the rear view mirror. i don't know if the virus will cooperate. >> reporter: he's talk about the task in the past tense. he's saying it has done an excellent job. he want to have something more focused on the economy. the officials that i'm talking to are making it very clear that dr. birx will play a key and important role. dr. fauci will be at the white house. the conversations they had been having at the task force level

led my mike pence sometimes attended by the president before we had those briefings will be pushed further down to the agencies. that's just the phase that they think, at the white house, that they are at at this point. they want focus on the economics of this because no one doubts inside the white house that the jobs number that we're going to get on friday is going to be shocking. we're hearing more of that from the president. you also heard the president while doing a victory lap on vent lat vent lart, he's suggesting they will be in similar place on testing. white house has changed their message on that. we'll see. >> i want the play one other thing that president said and get you to react it to it. it had to do with anthony fauci testifying on capitol hill. >> the house is a bunch of trump

haters. they put every trump hater on the committee. the same old stuff. they frankly want our situation to be unsuccessful, which means death. which means death. the house should be ashamed of themselves. frankly, the democrats should be ashamed. they don't want us to succeed. they want us to fail so they can win an election, which they're not going to win. they want us -- think of it. they do everything they can to make things as bad as possible. >> hans, i know it's no longer -- you shouldn't be shocked when you hear this president assume that americans hate the country and bizarre things like that. really awful things to say about fellow americans on this front. the fact of the matter is, as he's accusing the democrats of trying to politicize oversight, he's doing it right here by refusing the actions and it's

hard not to ask, what you afraid of if you've done nothing wrong. >> reporter: oversight on all the money that's been shoveled out the door. you and i was here for the obama administration flp was a great deal of concern about how much 878 billion would be spent in that 2009 stimulus. we're talk about 3 trillion, maybe north and this has been shovered out very quickly. you can expect congressional oversight. it is a unique and pair of constitutional approach to cay you'll only cooperate with senate oversight because the house is controlled by the opposition party. that's not how the constitution works. the president's comments there sort of on questioning the motives of democrats reminded me of the late february rhetoric when he was talk about how democrats were talking about the entire coronavirus and the administration response. that's when he would use the hoax phrase. then they had some bipartisan and they got a will the of stuff

done. a lot of stimulus out the door. now it seems like he's shifting more towards an antagonistic posture. chuck. >> always try to find somebody else to blame, somebody else to beat up. perhaps we'll see. this oversight story will get trickier. let's go to why. geoff bennett you have been digging into this whistle-blower. what began as him saying i've been dmoemoted over politics. i was shoved out of this job over the hydroxychloriquine ente. then he paint a much more damning response. >> reporter: he paint a picture on inaction and negligence on the part of the trump administration. lawyers for him say that case is made plain and simple. from 2016 until a couple of

weeks ago was the head of the government agency that is invested in vaccine research and development for infectious disease outbreak. he said he was pushed out of his job. reassign tods a lesser role at a different agency bauds he pushed for a more thorough vetting. 89 pages. it's dense and detailed. we have been dissecting it and distilling it. one of the remarkable things is we have seen part of what rick bright alleges in public from the president's own mouth in those old coronavirus task force briefings. we saw him embracing it as a coronavirus miracle drug. dr. bright says behind the scenes there was this effort by some of the political apopointes to push millions of pills to new

jersey and new york. despite the fact there was no scientific effect to say they were effective and he resisted it because of the science that was not there. he was also concerned about safety issues coming from the factories where they were made. he talks about how he raised red flags about the lack of medical masks which is interesting because president trump is at a plant where they are trying to ramp up production of those masks. back in january 21st, he raised issue about that. fell on deaf ear. tries to raise alarm about the limited supply of remdisivir that's a medical treatment shown to be effective in coronavirus. he alleges that the politics were promoted above science. he is set to appear before house committee next thursday and the remedy that he is seeking is he wants his old job back. he wants to be fully reinstated. chuck. >> geoff bennett with an

excellent job of taking what was a very, very extensive whistle-blower complaint and you condensed it down extraordinarily well for the viewers there. kudos on that. that sets up quite the testimony we will see next week on that front. thank you all for getting us started. let's get more on this medical perspective on the models and what we're facing this next month. are you concerned that politics is basically beating science here inside the white house? >> i think it's been politicized by the beginning.

it's not been characterized by daily cdc briefings. it's not surprising that politics will continue to dominate how this response continues as this pandemic winds on. >> there -- consensus is that it seems like everybody in the medical community on this front believes the next month will be worse, not better because of all these reopenings. is that your best scientific guess too because of all of this states that are doing these partial reopenings? >> definitely. any time you have people interacting, the virus hasn't

gone away. the virus hasn't changed its behavior. you'll get more death. you have to make a decision regarding what we want to do going forward. it's been about hospital capaci capacity. there are some hot spot wes worry about. now next thing is learning to live with the virus and figure out what the best social distancing to do going forward will be. the virus won't be tamed until we have a vaccine. this has to be something we think about going forward and come up with proper guidance for people to be able to be as safe as they can be knowing we'll get deaths as we see people interacting. >> we have hospital capacity. how do you keep hospital capacity and reopen the economy? or is it like you literally open the door a bit and you open the door a little bit? >> exactly. you have to peel back some of the social distancing measures and take a look and see.

what's happening opinion are our hospitals okay. are health departments able to do contact tracing. you continue to do that until you hit a tweet spot where you're not worried about the hospitals and you have some degree of economic activity. that has to be done in a measured way and data driven and you can't be hasty about it and expect to have no consequences. hopefully this will be done in many places going forward in that manner so we don't have to go back. i think that would be more disasterous if you open something and close it. that's more disruptive to businesses and the public. >> as new york slows, so goes the virus. if you day care the tristate area out of this, we haven't bent the curve. the curve -- you could argue maybe it's flat or back riding again. maybe we're misleading public because of the new york success

story. thoughts. >> everything is not on the same time scale. there are states that are in different parts of their epidemic curve. some places may not have peaked. some have increasing cases. you really have to look at local data, local hospital capacity and local testing capacity to make these decisions. we're going to see places, maybe run into trouble. maybe some places are not going to run into trouble. i think that's why with have to not give this impression that all of a sudden, all 50 states will be open. it's going to be driven by locals. in states and certain counties are better than other counties. that's what you're seeing governors do come up with plans and i think that's the best way to go about this as we move forward. >> do you think the governor should give up on the fed nationalizing any part of this? >> i think there hasn't been

federal leadership from the beginning and i don't think there's going to be federal leadership. this will be up to individual governors and the governors will be the ones responsible for this. it's important they feel empowered and they have the best public health experts advising them on how to go forward. not rely on the federal government for much more than an oversight coordination role that's really not going to be that visible. >> thanks for sharing your expertise with us today. much appreciated. up ahead, the senate's first full day back on capitol hill. you're asking what happened today. you're asking the wrong question. what didn't happen. i'm talking to the president a major university planning to bring his students back in the fall. is it too soon.

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full day back on capitol hill since the beginning of the pandemic. the main agenda item was the confirmation hearing for congressman john ratcliff. senators did practice social distancing while questioning ratcliff. on the day the covid-19 death toll, the senate held no hearings, took up no significant legislation to address the virus but they're here. garrett is live on capitol hill covering them. look, i'm familiar with the ways of washington and i know this was just a senate business day, but i have to say we're in middle of all this. it felt, again, dni confirmation hearing is important. don't get my wrong. it doesn't feel like the top issue. >> reporter: no. they had one full workday between yesterday and today. the senate took no votes today. while there were two committee

hearings today, one of those was a hybrids hearing. only five attended in person. mitch mcconnell argued the senate had to come back because they are essential but they are not doing a good job of making themgss look essential. we're hearing more about what house democrats are planning to put into a relief they might try to get to the floor as early as next week than what senate republicans are wanting to do in terms of what they're vision of a relief bill would be. they are pretty far apart. the negotiations are not something that's in the air either. it does not feel like there's an urgent effort to address the crisis any further than has been done already here in the u.s. senate. >> for those that are following this, and this is in the very early stages of negotiation so i'm a little he hsitant to get into much into the gamesmanship.

it does sound as if mitch mcconnell is not as enamored with the payroll tax cut idea. he'll say our red line is on liability. he doesn't talk about the payroll tax cut. the president had a dead on arrival idea he wants and so does mitch mcconnell but they're not the same idea. how does this work? >> reporter: it will be interesting to see. our team talked to a bunch of republican senators and we asked about the payroll tax cut idea. none of them are to go to the mat in the same way that the president has been. some said it's an interesting idea. there's lots of ideas floetsing around. marco rubio says the payroll tax cut doesn't help you if you're no longer on a payroll. seems like the kind of thing that mcconnell and senate republican leadership might be willing to include in a negotiation. it starts in the republican plan but may not finish in it.

maybe the situation where they are hoping this is a red line that the president forgets that he feels this strongly about by the time this bill is finally done, whatever it ends up looking like. >> do you have a better explain of what the -- what the definition of a red line is on the liability piece. they want liability protection but do do you give it to the point where there's no longer incentury tifr to be safe? >> reporter: right and who gets it. what size business and the conditions atamped to it. it's really interesting question. lindsey graham set hearing for next week on this in the judiciary committee. we may get more answers then. for now it's more of an idea than a specific policy, chuck. >> it was a problem that i don't know exists yet. it's a problem people are anticipating and that's one of those you're like, maybe there's

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for those people that have lost somebody, even a close friend, nothing can ever happen that's going to replace that. nobody is ever going to replace that. from an economic stand point, i think next year's going to be one of the best year we had. there's tremendous stimulus out there. people want to go to town. >> welcome back. that was president trump momentsing ago in phoenix after he basically confirmed reports that he is going to wind down the coronavirus task force. what you heard is how he will pivot away from the held crisis and figuring out a recovery.

let me play populist cynic and say what do you say to the average hoozer that says it's nice you're back in d.c. what did you do today? and if they were a little snarky would you blame them? >> i think you can make that point. as much as i enjoy my time back in indiana, i got more stuff done than i never would have gotten to. i'm an outdoorsman. i was actually thinking it's time to get back to my current job. i was ceo of a company for 37 years. three of my four kids now run it. a great young executive team and have been kept up to date on every part of this current saga we're in. i think being home got me grounded with what hoosiers were thinking. there was that discussion going on across the country how to we get back to what we knew before

this thing came along. i did a couple of floor speeches that said this was the most critical point. tamping the disease down, due to its uncertainties, how we were watching it unfurl in such a horrific way in new york and new jersey. all that had to be done. now is a difficult thing because we got to do two things at once, in my opinion. >> here's the hardest part and you know this is the bluntest part of this which is what value to put on human life? we're starting to see that essentially we're about to make this step collectively as a society. i don't know. we didn't have a meeting about it but we're all about to do it. we know more people will die if we open things up. we're trying the decide what is that line of tolerance. that's an uncomfortable place to put a society in. >> it's terribly uncomfortable. there's no one that can really

have that discussion because it's such a difficult answer. look at it this way. when we came out against it, i was all for categorically listen to the health care experts. we don't know anything about it. it's turned out to be a peculiar virus. was it correct to do blanket shutdowns, a one side fits all. we won't know that until we get this in the rear view mirror. i think, maybe, it could have been something that we did better from the get-go by targeting the most vulnerable people that we now know are susceptible to it with co-morbidity and the people trying to keep them well better in maybe that should have been the emphasis rather than broadly doing what we did.

i think it's critical that now we learn from what we watched over the last month and a half or so try to get this place to where the economy is not going to be a double whammy for us. that's my feel and it's that way before. >> are you comfort nl with the task force being wound down or is that wishful thinking? >> i still think you need to have the vigilance out there. i'm okay with maybe adjusting the approach that we take. i think that, let's take for instance my home county. 43,000 people. i think we had 25 cases. it's the biggest manufacturing per capita place in the state of indiana. we paid attention to the rules. we did the right thing. we showed that you could do both things at the same time and i

think somebody needs to be paying attention that as we try to reopen that we're doing it in a way that doesn't have us backslides. i think that whether you have the task force formally opened or not, you got to stay vigilant to it. >> i want to talk to you about food supply chain issues. it's a huge problem in the midwest. i know you're concerned about frozen food. we have meat issues. you've got -- it seems as if we're not sure where to put the priority here. we have this food supply issue. one of the problems is we're not sure how to safely do the meat processing plant part of this. what's your solution and do you think we're managing this the right way? >> when it comes to either livestock or poultry processing, that is kind of an elbow to elbow way you do it.

i know most of the companies and we have one in my home county that does turkey processing. we had a pork plant with a run in. they doing the best practices that they know now and they've got to do it in a way that makes their employees confident so they come back. that's going to make a whole other dimension that we don't need. i think we've got it within our means to do that smartly so we can keep it open and we don't threaten the food supply. >> do you have a priority when it comes to the next round of funding when it comes to the issues of lieblts protection, mitch mcconnell's red line and what president trump wants the payroll tax cut.

>> so, my priority will be from this point forward that we address any errors and omissions. i did not like the fact and i was on the task force. i brought up the idea that if you forgive a loan, it constituted income. that is cropping up. the irs is trying to be more rigorous in that interpretation. when it comes to whatever else we do going forward, that idea of protecting companies from the liability suits that are cropping up, what do you do with state and local governments beyond what we have done. it's not going to be what as easy as what we did.

>> do you protect all payrolls for six months? where is your head without getting too much into the details. >> t going to be along with what i think we can afford to do. all along it's been to protect the hourly wage earnings and the small businesses. fp it gets more broadly into what you're talking about, we're into new landscape that we never imagined we would get there. that's why a smart restart doing two things at once from here forward i think procolludes a lot of us having to come back to this place. it doesn't work well with a lot of things before i got here. i'm going be focused on those most vulnerable still. >> all right. always a pleasure to have you on

the show and having your share your views with our audience. welcome back to washington. >> thank you. up next, the college crisis. will higher education be able to survivor the economic lows across the country? stick around. plap

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. welcome back. today in you are ongoing open question series, we're looking at higher education and in person classes. after cancelling on campus classes for this academic year, colleges and universities all across the country are grappling what to do about next year. they also live together in small spaces. how can america's colleges and universities make sure students are safe to come back to campus this fall? the university of arizona has annoyanced to reopen the fall.

thanks for spending a few minutes here. let me ask you this, how important is it to the economy of tucson and what impact would that have on tucson's economy if you couldn't bring students to campus? >> that's a good point. thanks for inviting me onto your program. we're the largest employer in southern arizona. it's major economic benefit to the community and as you can imagine we have 45,000 students, 15,000 employees. here is the concern that i and others have. we're well aware of the pain

that these shutdowns could have on universities. do you feel pressure to open up because there's whether it's pac-12 football or the television contracts or the need to get more students on campus? how much pressure is there and do you worry that you're going to leapfrog some health concerns because of that pressure? >> well, i think you bring up very good points. i'm not worried about pac-12 football. i think i infamously made the front page of espn on draft day by saying, yeah, my gut tells me we're not going to be playing football in the fall. i've since thought hearing the nfl say they may open certainly, nascar, the pga tour, maybe the informal doing their games with

no fans opinion maybe college football will be pack. i hope so. i wouldn't be quite the same. i'm not feeling the pressure. the easiest thing to do would be to continue doing what we're doing. financially, it would certainly take a hit. there's a balance there. i'm hearing from students and alum any that want to come back and have the on campus experience. >> i've talked to another university that i'm familiar with. i know they are coming with fulls have been told to come with three plans. fully online, a hybrids or fully on campus. hybrid saying maybe you go in person on monday. you go virtually wednesday. are a where are you? >> that's a good point. we're in the hybrid model. it's going to be very taxing on

our professors, staff, i.t. people to have to teach both. that's where we're going. we're going to test, we're going to trace and treat. we got out in front of this, as you probably know, we developed our own test kits. we developed an antitest that i believe is the most accurate test there is. it's been validated by several thirz parties we're going to offer that test to all at university of arizona. we're going to test frequently for viral load. we're going to do contact

tracing and we're going to treat by isolating, quarantine and taking care of our students, faculty and staff. >> if that antibody test is add good as you say, i have 330 million americans that would like it. the four year university -- the four year college degree model has been up for debate for the last few years with the cost of college. this throws it front an center to a lot of cost conscious parents and students now. do you think in ten years the four-year degree will be ancient history? >> no. it's going to look a lot different. even this hybrid approach we were discussing. i think people know that it can work. i believe that there will be smaller groups of students who

will want to come to campuses. mainly those that want hand on experience doing research lab. we're one of the top research universities in the country and people want to come here and use our telescopes and work in our billi bio tech and medical labs. i think that kind of appearance and just the be on campus, i think about 8 to 10% of our students want to come, have that rez dn ssidential experience bu take all of that you are classes remotely and don't go to classroom. you'll see it change for sure. we'll be testing, treating and tracing. we'll all be wearing masks and doing social distancing. all things you talk about all day on your show.

>> dr. rob bins, testing, treating and tracing. i like it. good luck. i hope -- i think we all hope this works. we have plenty open questions. we bet you do too. what are you most concerned about? we'll like to get some industry heads, some other people like dr. robins here to answer your open questions about where we go next. tweet us using the hashtag open questions. up next, running for election during pandemic. how republicans down ballot are messaging this coronavirus crisis. the united states postal service is here to deliver your mail and packages and the peace of mind of knowing that essentials like prescriptions are on their way. every day, all across america, we deliver for you. and we always will. good morning, mr. sun. good morning, blair. [ chuckles ] whoo. i'm gonna grow big and strong. yes, you are. i'm gonna get this place all clean.

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welcome back. as we look ahead to the november election, how are congressional candidates going to handle the virus? we looked at a race in the north of georgia, north of georgia for different ways some republicans are messaging about the pandemic. one candidate highlighted his frontline military experience. >> my name is clayton fuller, and recently i was activated to fulfill the oath i swore to serve our country. >> one leaning too hard into the president's messaging, blaming democrats, and, quote, weak republicans. >> i'm john cowan. i operate on brains and backs. helping president trump defend our god-given rights is not brain surgery, but deranged democrats and weak republicans just don't get it. i'm john cowan, and i approve

this message. >> you saw the romney photo in there, weak republicans. anyway, and another warned of america becoming a socialist nation. >> americans fined for attending drive-in church, swimming in the ocean or driving to see a relative? it's a dose of chinese-style socialism none of us ever want to see again. >> one republican primary, three different messaging. joining me now to talk about it on the virus, michael steele, former adviser to jeb bush and john boehner. michael, what i found fascinating is you have one who said this is public service, this is what i do. one that said take it seriously, but don't trust the democrats. and the other was like what a bunch of hogwash. the socialists are coming. it's an interesting test case to see what works best. >> yeah, i mean, everyone is basically trying to figure it out. this is always going to be harder for republicans running in this environment because they have the responsibility of governing. they have the responsibility of

talking about things the administration is doing or not doing. i think you're going to see a lot of republican candidates those who are currently in office highlighting their own efforts to help people affected by this virus. i think you'll see a lot of electeds talking about the successes of ppe, helping constituents get access to those funds. that was one of the most popular and bipartisan pieces of legislation we've seen from congress in the past decade. >> you know, michael, i feel like i'm seeing a similar pattern among republican elected down the ballot that we saw four years ago with trump. some try to hide from him. some try to pretend he doesn't exist, and some try to embrace him. and a few try to distance. i have a feeling on pandemic that's what we're going to see. >> yeah, i mean, because every constituency is different. every state is different. every congressional district is different. and every one of them has had a different experience with this virus. they had different public health impacts. they've had different economic

impacts and they've had different levels of lockdown. i think that every candidate is going to have to figure out what the experience in their district calls for, and i hope all of them will come together around the sort of effective public health measures that we need to get back to something resembling normal. millions and millions of tests. >> stop sounding -- you and your jeb bush republicanism. i think i saw that would be call weak republicanism. you know my tongue is firmly in cheek. but let me ask this question, which is how worried are you that say if you have two radical of a message in a one district there in georgia, it percolates up the ballot and hurts your statewide candidates? >> i'm really worried a lot more about the facts than the message. i'm worried about the impact of this disease on our public health, on our economy. if we're at 20% unemployment, candidates can say pretty much anything they want. it's not going to work. if we're seeing thousands and thousands continuing to die, it's not going work. so i think facts are going to

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