good afternoon. i'm chuck todd. here are the facts as we know them this hour. gm says some of its plants will begin to reopen may 18th, this as drop in car sales has michigan and ohio lawmakers pushing for new federal aid for the auto industry. since the march outbreak, according to jd power, retailers sold 800,000 fewer vehicles. the ridesharing company uber announced it is laying off 3700 employees, 14% of the work force, as the coronavirus pandemic keeps many americans home bound. that follows what we saw with airbnb with a 25% layoff announcement. in wuhan, china, former center of the coronavirus outbreak. 57,000 high school students returned to class today for the first time as the country

continues to slowly lift its lockdown. one day after president trump suggested the coronavirus task force would be winding down, the president reversed course in what other way but a series of tweets saying the task force would continue on indefinitely. it has been nearly two weeks since their last formal news briefing. joining me, co-anchor for the next two hours, katy tur. i want to start on the last thing. this is classic donald trump gut reaction watching the fallout. here it was at 8:00 this morning, doing our planning call today, it is about more, looks like the task force is winding down. we hung up the news call, get on another news call, then the tweet storm had hit. you know this man very well, covering him as closely as you did. he does see how things are playing. in a few hours, it will be like that didn't play well. that's what this struck me as.

>> he was always highly attuned to coverage of him and what people were saying during the campaign that has continued on throughout his time at the white house. there's been report after report out there about how much time he spends watching tv. compare to what he did with governor kemp of georgia, saying privately according to reporting it was okay to reopen, then having a public reaction much different when governor kemp's plans got canned. what i keep hearing from people i talk to about how they feel during the crisis, where they look for answers during the crisis is that they're looking to health experts, those that are learning about the virus in real time. they're looking to anthony fauci, they're looking to dr. deborah birx, want to hear what they have to say. i know it doesn't mean the coronavirus task force briefings are coming back to our television screens anytime soon, we don't have knowledge on that,

but it is just the reality out there, chuck, is people want answers and they're looking for experts, those who know what's going on, to tell them what they should do next. >> katy, it is possible somebody got to the president and said we know how you feel about the task force, but disbanding it, you're disbanding one credible person that people that don't like you look to, that's anthony fauci and deborah birx. knowing donald trump the way he is, worried about short term impact of things, it feels like this is suddenly him going oh, okay, we'll reverse course. and that leaves his vice president hung out to dry on spinning the end of the task force. i think vice president pence has been in that position many a time. let's move to news headlines. we begin in russia. cases of covid-19 are on the rise, now the world's second fastest growing outbreak behind the united states.

there are more than 165,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus across the country. the mayor of moscow is ready to ease some restrictions, including resuming industrial. joining us, nbc senior correspondent keir simmons. it has been fascinating watching putin's political social distance handling of the outbreak. he has left similar to what we have seen here the tough announcements to his aparachicks like the mayor of moscow. >> reporter: the question is has it worked. one of the messages from russia is that the coronavirus story isn't over. think about russia, biggest country by land mass in the world, only just now beginning to see a surge in this, despite

the fact it neighbors china, which of course is right now in terms of phase one at the other end of it. it is also a message about the fact we just haven't seen even really the beginning of the political impact of the coronavirus. president putin's ratings are falling, russian people are scared as you say. 10,000 new cases a day. numbers of death down at 1500, but know from bitter experience how that can shift so quickly. in moscow, the mayor talking about trying to reopen industrial production around may 12th, but not in terms of service sector, retail sector. no vision when they can reopen that in moscow. so it is a crisis unfolding in russia. it is going to have implications for leadership, a number of them testing positive for covid-19, and i think in russia we're just at the beginning of the story.

sad to say maybe globally at the beginning of the coronavirus story. >> now keir, never mind the economic calamity of the oil market. keir simmons starting our reports today. thanks very much. katy, to you. >> they were already in economic trouble before any of this. let's go to texas. texas is facing a growing problem in its prison system with an alarming number of coronavirus cases. texas department of criminal justice tested 1700 symptomatic inmates, found more than 70% of them tested positive for the coronavirus. joining us now, nbc correspondent morgan chesky outside the huntsville correctional facility in texas. morgan, that's quite a number to test positive. >> reporter: yeah, katie, it certainly is.

it is a numbers game not in the officials' favor. one of the largest prison populations, 135,000 inmates now. the number you mention, inmates only makeup 1% of the entire population. so that's a bit of a snapshot. 70% of those tested positive with covid-19. meanwhile, in ohio, marion, the city has a prison. 80% of inmates in that facility came back positive. one difference between those two states, katie, chuck, ohio is testing in a mass way, as many inmates as they can, in some cases entire prisons to get a snapshot of what they're dealing with. in texas, they have a higher number of inmates to deal with, but say the way they approach the virus is the same, whether they do mass testing or only test symptomatic individuals which they did with that 70%

number. right now they started contact testing. if i came back symptomatic, tested positive, they would start testing inmates i had close contact with, but when i asked them what the goal is going forward, they said not a whole lot will be changing. they're doing as much as they can. on the other side, critics are saying this is cause for concern because some of the prison units are so large that smaller communities that surround them could be at risk for potential covid exposure themselves. take a listen. >> more than any other time prison health impacts community health. but if we don't pay attention to what's going on in prisons, don't demand accurate data and don't make sure the disease is addressed there then that's going to harm public health on the outside because the disease will keep coming back into the outside if it continues to fester in prisons. >> reporter: when i mentioned that to the spokesperson here

for texas department of criminal justice, he stressed that staff going in and out have their temperature checked. they're told to stay home if they have any symptoms at all and they stood by their practices going forward. meanwhile, 30% of their units in the state of texas still under lockdown due to covid. chuck, katy, back to you. >> thank you. chuck when i was in asbury park yesterday, a woman told me about her brother or brother-in-law that works at a correctional facility in new jersey. he had exhausted time off that he could take at home. he had to go back to work. he's got underlying conditions. the family is terrified but he has to go to work because he needs that paycheck, and he is going in and out of the prison every day in full on hazmat suit to try to keep himself protected. it is such a terrifying time. >> you know, prisons, meat packing plants, senior

facilities, i have to say we know what can become a hot spot, still haven't made anybody that works in those three entities feel safe. workers are paralyzed for a plan. people keep asking, what do you expect the federal government to do? worry about things like this. >> yeah. yeah. >> 100%. another side note, one other side note, a family member of minor tony's, my husband, is in a nursing home in yonkers and coronavirus patients were taken back to their nursing home, discharged from the hospital, still positive, taken back to the nursing home. and we were worried about infections in that nursing home. low and behold two days later, chuck, one of our loved ones came down with this, and he has passed away. it is awful. it is terrible. >> it is. and i think that's the disconcerting part. we don't seem to have a plan how

to deal with the three hot spots in particular, so we don't have a plan on these three types of hot spots, everything else feels -- that's why there's lack of confidence now i think that we're getting it and watching it in real time. all right. let's go to a little glimmer of green chutes in montana. rural schools are reopening. they're letting local districts decide whether to return to the classroom. for what it is worth, second day in a row, largest land mass state in the lower 48, montana, i think they're the largest, no new cases of coronavirus. the state seeing more than 400 cases so far, at least 16 have died. joining me, an anchor from there. i think great news, two days in a row, no new cases, has to give local officials some confidence.

>> absolutely. and it really is part of what we are opening in phase one. >> what is it. tell us about the story in rural counties in general in montana and how that's been holding up, how have these orders been impacted? how have rural communities handled the orders? >> well, you have a mixed bag in montana. so, for example, talk about schools. part of governor bullock's phase one of reopening left the decision to reopen schools to the individual school districts. well, again, we don't have new cases overnight. only had five new confirmed cases of covid-19 in montana in the last seven days. that really played a factor in the governor's decision. overwhelmingly the majority of school districts in montana

voted to stay remote last week. this week, we have a couple of tiny schools deciding they're going to in fact return tomorrow. some of the counties are very different from some larger counties. one of them only has 1300 people. one of the schools reopening tomorrow is cook city near yellowstone national park. they have five students in the entire school. the town is less than 200 people. so they can reach the requirements laid out by the governor to reopen much more easily than larger schools in missoula or billings. >> i would assume one of the concerns obviously there has been about this virus hitting rural america is how quickly local community hospitals could be overrun, how few icu beds, few beds are available. walk us through montana's hospital bed situation. are you in a situation that they can handle a mini outbreak,

depending on the area of the state? >> well, i mean, that's a concern across the nation. early on the imhe website model had some concerns for montana. i think at one point predicted we had an icu bed shortage of 48. we have been in the clear since then. with promising numbers and the downward trend, i think there's hope across the state we won't face that kind of situation. but of course things can change. >> how quickly are dine in restaurants going to come open by the governor, is he talking about that? >> dine in restaurants were able to open monday, including bars. this is all part of that phase one of his reopening plan. not all restaurants have chosen to do so, and there are very strict guidelines that go with that. if you open as a restaurant, you can only open at 50% of normal capacity. certain sanitation expectations,

recommending you wear masks, et cetera. we are seeing some things open. it will be interesting to watch the next few weeks what happens with our numbers. >> right. i think that's what everybody is wondering, what the may partial reopenings will do by end of the month and beginning of june. thanks for spending time with us. chuck, today the house is holding the first hearing on the coronavirus pandemic. noticeably absent is a member, any member of the white house coronavirus task force. the house subcommittee sought testimony of dr. anthony fauci, planned to question the nation's top infectious disease expert on the administration's response. but the white house blocked fauci from attending today's hearing. instead, he will appear before a republican led senate committee next week. joining us, democratic congresswoman from connecticut, the chair of the labor hhs,

education appropriations subcommittee which held today's hearing. congresswoman, always good to see you. >> great to see you. >> why is this becoming a political issue? why is dr. anthony fauci being stopped from testifying in front of your committee? >> look, i can't answer that question. i think you have to get that answer from the white house. mostly think it is because they don't want the scrutiny or oversight. but let me step back for a second. this was the very first hearing on capitol hill and subcommittee of appropriations that really quite frankly is at the center of the issues facing the country in terms of health, it is where we fund the national institutes of health, the centers for disease control, we fund the hospitals. all that is within this

portfolio. i might say about the committee that it is bipartisan. what was exciting about this morning to be with my colleagues, republicans and democrats, congressman tom cole from oklahoma, came from oklahoma to do this. he is a great partner. he, like i, we were disappointed, believe dr. fauci should be part of the hearing because in fact dr. fauci has appeared before our subcommittee dozens of times. that's whether there was a democrat as the chair or republican as a chair. in terms of his appearances on capitol hill, you know there have been hundreds. same with a democratic president or a republican president. what i said is that i think this demonstrates the white house not wanting to see any real oversight ordeal with scrutiny. it was a great hearing.

>> i want to know, what were you going to ask doctor anthony fauci, did you get it answered by anybody else? >> we got our questions answered today by both dr. tom frieden, former head of the centers for disease control and prevention. he's now part of an effort to save lives. we had dr. kaitlin rivers, johns hopkins scholar. she co-authored of road map to reopening with dr. scott gottlieb, former head of the fda. and this is what we found which is what we know. and they were very, very forthright, very forthright, which was important because the issue is where is our national plan for testing? where is our national plan for contact surveillance. where is the national plan for

providing the protective equipment for workers, front line workers, and the answer is that there is no national plan. when i asked who ought to be putting the plans together, she said the federal government. the direction needs to come from the federal government, and they have abdicated that responsibility. >> i would like to drill down further on this in the federal government, congresswoman. that is the specific role of the cdc, since you had former head of the cdc there, it is odd to a lot of people that the cdc isn't home to the best models, and it is the cdc that can't tell us how many tests are nationwide. what has happened to the

capabilities of the cdc that they're not -- that we have to rely on a couple of universities, some terrific ones, don't get me wrong, university of washington and johns hopkins, but odd we rely on the academic community and that the cdc is not the lead here. >> well, you know, look, i think the cdc is at the center. i'm not sure that they have abdicated their responsibility, in many instances they may have been sidelined in this effort. i recall early on in the process i brought in a doctor to deal with a briefing for democrats and republicans in the subcommittee. she was straightforward in answers and she was sidelined. the cdc does not mandate but the cdc should be driving so many of these issues that have to do with testing, and they have provided guidelines. i asked this morning are the cdc

guidelines being followed, and the answer to that is no. we're not uniform in dealing with the guidelines that the cdc has put out. now, that's a decision that comes out of the administration, not from the cdc. >> that being said, congresswoman, there are a lot of people out there, restaurants, workplaces, workers looking towards the cdc for more specific guidelines on how to reopen safely across the country. we have to drill down on that a little later. congresswoman, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate your time. stray safe out there. >> thank you. you all stay safe as well. >> thank you. looming economic disparity is forcing minority workers to choose between their jobs and their health. same subject we were just talking about. plus, new york subway's first planned shutdown in 115 years. after the break, we'll talk with chairman of the transit

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this pandemic is serving as an mri for our socioeconomic dispair tease. people of color are disproportionately getting sick, in new york city, 75% of front line workers are people of color according to analysis by the comptroller. many are faced with impossible choice, keeping families healthy versus food on the table. there's a growing movement of workers starting to push back. joining us with more, morgan radford. tell us about it. >> reporter: that's right, chuck. you know, we have been reporting on disproportionate impact of covid-19 on communities of color. we already know on one hand people that are black or brown are more than three times as likely to die in some parts of the country from the virus.

now it is almost like the virus morphed from immediate health impact to staggering economic one. and numbers are striking. across the country, 41% of front line workers of people are color. that mention is 75% right here in new york. of people polled, 60% of black workers say they've been laid off, compared to 48% of white counter parts, 30% of black workers say they have the ability to work from home. now we're seeing a movement of black and brown workers pushing back, saying yeah, my state may be about to open, but i'm not able to put my family at risk. now they're facing an impossible decision, do they keep food on the table or try to protect their families, or do they put their health at risk. >> i'm not going back to work. if i see numbers still rising, it will be hard. >> these are my brothers and sisters, working side by side. this is an assembly line, we're

touching the same parts, in the same break area. we spend more time together than our own families. we don't want to contaminate the community when we go back to work. >> we have capitols with armed men showing up, armed white men are showing up with guns demanding that basically black and brown people go back to work. >> reporter: something that really struck me was two of the men i interviewed said they never received unemployment checks in their life. this is the first time they're having to do that. even though they are in dire financial straits, they still won't go back to work. they can't put themselves and people they go home to at risk. we spoke to ra schaad robinson who is leading that movement. these are workers asking people to pay attention way before the virus started. they were asking to be treated like essential workers when they asked for better living wage. now they're saying they're essential but they're actually sacrificial.

that's something that a lot of workers are feeling across the country as states even like ours decide what to do to reopen. chuck? >> a powerful one. i saw somebody said forget essential, treated sacrificial. that's a powerful change of words. this is why this is an mri for our country's soul. morgan radford, thanks very much. katy, back to you. >> it is infuriating. chuck, before dawn today, the normally around the clock new york city subway system went still. in the first planned shutdown in 115 years. the metropolitan transit authority is closing the system overnight to disinfect cars and stations. concerns have been growing about safety of the subway as thousands of the homeless sought shelter on cars during the pandemic. the subway shutdown is part of an historic undertaking to ensure safety of the trains for

passengers. joining us, chairman and ceo of the metropolitan transit authority, pat foy. it is great to have you on. this disinfecting that's going to go on in the overnight hours, how many people will it effect in their abilities to get to work? >> thanks for having me. first time in 115 year history of the subway we had a planned shutdown. new york is a 24/7 town, subways a 24/7 operation. governor cuomo announced the shutdown. we shutdown this morning from 1:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. we will do this during the pandemic which we're all hoping and prayer for will be sooner rather than later. we want to disinfect every subway car, every bus, every station in a deep clean daily. shutting down allowed us to do some cleaning overnight in

terminal stations. one. two, makes it easier, safer, more productive for transit workers who performed heroically during the entire pandemic. for them to work without passengers around, without the homeless around. and thirdly as part of the closure from 1:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m., everybody not an nypd or mta transit uniform, everybody had to leave the system to allow the disinfecting deep cleaning to continue on stations and subway cars. that made it more efficient. it also allowed nypd which was out in force, more than a thousand police officers, 700 cleaners were involved in interactions with the homeless, 700 cleaners doing the work in stations. a couple hundred homeless happily accepted services and shelter from city of new york. those are the three reasons. the closure and reopening at

5:00 a.m. was successful. we have about 10 to 11,000 customers in the 1:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. period during the pandemic. we carried about 6200 of those customers on robust bus service. added express buses. had 76% more bus trips. and we doubled the number of busses on new york city streets during 1:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. period. 6200 of that 10 to 11,000 group took us up. we provided a relatively small handful of four hired vehicles for those that bus was not workable because their commute on bus would have been longer than an hour and 20 minutes, would have involved more than two transfers. after one day, we learned a lot. first day was a successful closing and successful reopening. >> pat, i want to bring in chuck todd with a question. >> pat, have you had any kind of

innovative luck coming up with ways to minimize the number of people you needed in cleaning crews, whether it is robotics or something like that in general? how are you trying to minimize the number of people that are needed to basically put themselves at risk being the cleaning crews? >> so chuck, excellent question. in mid march we began piloting a number of things. one is use of ultraviolet which has proven experience in hospital and emergency room settings to disinfect. we are looking closely at uv. we're looking at application of anti-microbials. there are four or five companies with four or five different products we have been testing. governor cuomo was out at the corona yard where some of the piloting, testing occurs, he was there on saturday. that work began again in mid march. we are getting to the end of

some of the pilots, chuck, and i think what will result will be a greater assurance for employees working on trains and buses as well as customers, greater assurance cars have been disinfected every day. some products may have efficacy beyond time of application and whether it is anti-microbials or uv. in some cases uv devices have been deployed as robots. we're looking at all those things, our goal is to fast track. >> pat, we're up against the clock. i'm curious, what's it going to look like on the new york city subway once people will start riding in bigger numbers to get to work when new york city is opened up? >> i think, katy, one thing that will be mandatory for employees and customers is masks. i think that's a given. social density, the governor

noted yesterday will be six feet of social distancing. difficult on transit in new york and around the country and around the world. we are talking with counterparts in asia and europe where the pandemic started earlier, ended earlier as well as counterparts in the united states. we're working with public health experts, including dr. zucker, state health commissioner. we'll be coming out with a proposal with sister agencies, the governors adopted a regional approach. we'll be speaking to that issue as well as disinfecting issue going forward. >> from the subway system to office building system in new york, quite a hurdle to figure out how to social distance in new york city. pat foy, thank you so much for your time. we appreciate it. chuck? >> thanks.

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finding treatments is a unique challenge. sometimes they can't be delayed, it can be a new normal for patients undergoing chemotherapy. sarah dallof has more on how patients and doctors are adjusting. >> reporter: chemotherapy and coronavirus colliding. she's starting a latest round of treatment for breast cancer. >> it was hard enough to come to terms with the fact i needed to adjust my life-style being on chemo having to adjust the life-style being on chemo and social distancing to the degree

that i have had to was something that was -- it took me awhile to come to terms with. >> doctors where she's a patient weighing benefits of treatments that can also weaken immune systems against risks of covid-19. >> i'm seeing in real time we can get our cancer patients through the treatment they need with very specific precautions. i'm very optimistic about the outcomes for patients. >> recent study looking at 14 hospitals in china found cancer patients are more likely to die of the virus or have severe complications. doctors at the levine institute in north carolina published a paper how to safely care for patients, care teams on 14 day rotations, adjusting treatment plans, giving oral forms of drugs to take home that would usually be done intravenously at the hospital. >> you're bringing the risk of coronavirus down without losing the trajectory for cancer care.

>> in l.a. >> we're having infusion. >> she's looking forward to completing chemo. >> getting to a place i can see the future. >> moments of peace amid a pandemic that adds an additional threat to cancer patients. sarah dallof, nbc news. >> sarah dallof reporting. chuck, over to you. it is not just cancer. we have other medical procedures and basic office visits being postponed or delayed because of the coronavirus crisis. joining us, dr. redland. at one point are you concerned and others concerned that the fear that people have about going into a medical facility and getting covid, therefore putting off their own treatments, how concerned are

you that coronavirus panic i saw one report call it today is becoming a health problem in this country. >> yeah, chuck. i'm not sure it is necessarily a panic, it is definitely a challenge and has two prongs. one is that the cancer treatment does reduce immunity as you reported, and also makes you go to an environment where you have more likely chance of getting contact with somebody with covid. that can be minimized. it is definitely a risk. not just cancer patients, but any patient with a situation like ulcerative colitis, crohn's disease, other things where the immune system is suppressed anyway. it is a challenge we need to deal with. but people need their cancer treatments, no question about it, chuck. >> they're starting to reintroduce regular proed irrelevan --

procedures. an ent doctor was supposed to start ent surgery, but they were concerned about risk to them when they start doing procedures. does covid testing need to be implemented as part of the routine for anyone coming to the hospital for a procedure, make sure they're not putting doctors at risk and other patients at the hospital at risk? >> yeah, so the inability to get testing act together has been a problem from the beginning, many different ways. ideally every person in the hospital, not just doctors, nurses, everybody should have a rapid readily available reliable test as they come in for the shift, everybody. it is the same for opening other businesses. but we need to be sure people that come into a facility are not exposed to somebody that might have covid. there's going to be a lot of changes to the health care system, some of which are not

going to go back to the way they were. this is going to be a new agenda for health care, how it is delivered in the u.s. that's definitely coming. katy? >> i was going to say, i assume this accelerates that more and more cancer treatments aren't going to be done at a facility but perhaps for the short and medium term, figuring out how to do them at home. not all cancer treatments can be done that way, not everything can be turned into a pill. >> definitely not. we are far from that state. what we are going to have is hopefully development, if we have the testing and kept cancer patients isolated, but everybody that comes in contact with the patient like i was saying from registrar to the surgeon are tested daily, need to be tested daily, people coming in for treatment ought to be tested as well, there will be routine

changes. reminds me of getting on the airplane after 9/11, different routines to getting the work done and safely. we're in for a new world of medicine, no doubt about that, after we get over the major hump of the pandemic. >> right. doctor, thanks for sharing expertise with the viewers, some of the day to day health stuff is frankly making us nervous. trying to demystify helps a lot. thank you for that. katy? coming up, coronavirus lock doun down is slowly being lifted in germany. and a whole lot more when you stay with us on msnbc. stay with us on msnbc. 't be at . ...best for my family. in only 8 weeks with mavyret... ...i was cured. i faced reminders of my hep c every day. i worried about my hep c. but in only 8 weeks with mavyret... ...i was cured. mavyret is the only 8-week cure for all types of hep c. before starting mavyret your doctor will test... ...if you've had hepatitis b which may flare up and

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in germany, the country, one of the first in the world to reopen museums. this is what it will look like. everyone inside wearing face masks, that's a requirement. this was a sold out exhibition in denver earlier this year. 800 tickets only per day being sold. one way pathway. you have to follow the markings. you can't linger too long. two hour limit per visitor. i spoke with the museum director. she said despite the restrictions, it was a welcome break from lockdown. here's what she told me. >> it is sort of corona relief today to be able to look at these bright and beautiful pictures, travel to south of france, to italy, venice, we have all of the great pictures of land. i think it is really important to have this show up in that

specific moment. >> reporter: we all can relate. we all want to get outside. this might be the way to do it. >> there are worse ways to spend leisure time, that's sure. carl, thank you. katy? we got a little bit of a surprise coming up. >> i'm kind of dreaming about going into new york city art museums without a bunch of tourists and thinking how i roam freely and spend as much time as i want on various paintings. we're going to talk to andrew cuomo who joins us in just a moment. don't go anywhere. you're watching msnbc. moment don't go anywhere. you're watching nbmsc. when managing diabetes you can't always stop for a fingerstick. with the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you don't have to. with a painless, one-second scan you can check your glucose with a smart phone or reader so you can stay in the moment. no matter where you are or what you're doing. ask your doctor for a prescription for the freestyle libre 14 day system. you can do it without fingersticks.

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appearing in the netflix documentary "becoming" which looks at michelle obama's post white house life. >> no longer facing that same scrutiny. being able to let all of that leave your mind creates so much more space. >> now a junior at harvard, the 21-year-old is seen backstage at her mom's sold out 2018 stadium book tour. >> this is demonstrated in a way that is like those years were not that bad, you no he? you see that. you see that huge crowd out there and that last, you know that, last kind of speech you gave about just like -- people are here because people really believe in love and hope and other people. >> the new documentary follows mrs. obama on her 34-stop tour for her candid memoir. also looking at her life before the white house. >> so little of who i am happened in those eight years.

so much of more of who i was happened before. >> the former first lady now sharing lessons learned with the next generation. >> chuck, it's so interesting to see the girls all grown up, having watched them grow up in the white house for those eight years. and interesting to see them for the first time in quite a long time. >> it is. and i have to say, you know, of when it comes to memoirs, particularly of the most difficult job there is sometimes in politics is being a first spouse in that role, michelle obama was pretty forthcoming about the challenges that is and it's a -- sort of the real dynamic between men and women and the job market. she really leaned in on some of those conversations that are difficult conversations for a lot of married couples. it was very refreshing as part of it. coming up, we're going to talk to new york governor andrew cuomo. you're watching msnbc. cuo.om you're watching msnbc.

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hans, it was in some ways classic trump, sort of explaining that he didn't shut down the task force because it's so popular. >> yeah. the president sort of explaining the back and forth that he had yesterday. remember, he seemed to suggest that he was winding down the task force and phase into something different. this morning he had the tweets. this morning he said he decided to bring it back because he didn't know how popular it was. now imfl implicit in is that a cosmetic aspect. what the new role is going to be. and those questions remain. he did suggest to be adding a couple new names. they have new members. and the new names they announce on monday. so the task force seems to be changing. it's going to be more about an opening up. it may retain the name. and the president got the message and that is many many people feel as though it's very important to have a task force that is dedicated to science and a whole lot of things and form some of the president's

decision. chuck? >> that's for sure. >> popular, hans, was people want information about this disease and what they should do. yeah. nbc's hans nichols. thank you very much. let's bring in governor andrew cuomo who i believe is just joining us now. governor, are you with us? >> i'm with you, katy. how are you? >> i'm great. good to see you. today you announce that there was a slight tickup in the number of deaths from the past two days. where is new york city right now on the curve? sympathy or new york state? >> yeah. both the city and state, katy, are on the other side of the curve. we have been for a while. all the numbers are coming down. the hospitalization rate, et cetera. so our curve is definitely down. we want to see how far it goes down. we're about 600 new cases today. which is the lowest we've had since this really started.

but we want to see how we can get them down even further. the number of deaths is still terribly high at 230. that number is way, way down. so all the arrows are pointed in the right direction. interestingly, the curve in new york is at a much different place than the curve in the nation, katy. if you look at the numbers nationwide, you still see an increase in the number of cases. but new york, we're on the other side of the mountain, so to speak. >> i believe we have a couple of animation that's do show that. hopefully we can get them on screen. what does that mean for the reopening of the state? if we're on the downward trajectory and you're looking at other states around the country on the upward trajectory and starting to reopen, what's going through your head? >> what's going through my head is first -- let's get the question right. should we open or not reopen? that's the question that some

would pose to the country. reopen or stay closed. that's not the question. the question is how will you reopen. everybody agrees we have to reopen. you can't stay closed. you can't stay closed. sprem people have to work. socially you can't stay closed. so this is a false choice. some people want to open, some people don't want to open. everybody wants to open. the question is how you reopen. that's the question. and what we're saying in new york is this is not an emotional question. much it's not a political question. it's not an anecdotal question. it's not a gut instinct question. follow the facts. follow the data. and that's what we've been doing in new york, follow the data. so you know the hospitalization rate. and there is tracing. governor cuomo, i don't know if you heard former governor of new

jersey christy the other day said at some point we'll have to accept this sort of elevated death toll for a while as we reopen the economy. and this is different times. >> i guess the question is society means security and confidence to reopen the economy. and it seems to me, i agree with you all, we have that confidence, what is missing that gives confidence to people to go into the shop? >> look, chuck, i think you hit it on the head, right? governor christie who is my neighboring governor did a lot of work with governor christie, and i consider him a colleague.

he's putting his finger on something. i said the other day, you know what? with this question -- it really poses to the american people is how much is a human life worth? right? we have to reopen. we want to get the economy going. okay. how many people are you willing to spare to do that? fema's number went to 200,000 death cases. the projection for deaths by august 4th went from 60,000 to 134,000 because of the mobility and the increased rate of opening up. 60,000 to 134,000. so how many people can we -- are we willing to lose to reopen the economy in a rusheded way? 100,000? 200,000? what's the number of lives? nobody wants to talk about it that way. but that's what governor

christie's comment is pointing towards. well, maybe behave to assume that we lose more people. in new york, my point is any human life is priceless. and i'm not going to put a price on it. i don't think we have to sacrifice human life to reopen. just do it intelligently and do it on the data. by the way, i showed numbers today, chuck, the people who are coming into the hospitals infected in new york, 51 years old and older. but 51. tell american people the old have to be sacrificed, we're talking about 51 years old and see what response you get. >> right. >> that is not elderly. let me ask you this from the national perspective. when you heard about the president, they want to wind down the task force. what is the practicality as a

governor as that task force and would it concern you if you didn't have it? and instead you had to good agency by agency to figure out what you needed as a state? >> what you're dealing with is the testing and tracing operations. and then you're dealing with does the federal government pass a piece of legislation that actually provides the funding the states need to do the reopening and make up for the short falls? right? that's really what i need from the federal government now. testing, tracing and budget airy relief. it's a shame that they have not yet done that. so the task force looks like --

>> that's a bummer. i had two really interesting questions. i was listening to the news conference earlier. and there were two things. one that 51 years old number that he just threw out, by the way, not old. i agree with you on that. >> thank you. >> it also followed with some statistics that showed that a number of those people were not people who were going out to work or people who were engaging in a large way with other people. they were people staying home. and also the news chicago is looking into whether this disease came here much sooner -- and was killing people potentially sooner than february or march. maybe back in december. i mean, you and i have talked about this. we know people who got very sick in late december. and there are questions about was it here sooner than we think it was? do more of us have antibodies than we think we do?

>> he seemed to say i'm done with the task force. here's what i need, contact and tracing and basically saying i need to deal with the dhs and cdc and, congress, get through the partisan food fight and get money for the states. it is -- i have a feeling we're still trying to work him back. one of the more interesting moment that's i'm expecting on capitol hill at some point is whether in having to make the case for the state, whether we see governor cuomo testify before congress to make his case before the state and i'll be curious to see -- it's a question i have for him. whether he'd be willing to go before congress in public and make this case for state aid. >> and not just him but i mean you would imagine that it would have to be some republican governors as well. with maryland's governor larry hogan be willing to do that. would you see governors even

democratic governors of red states willing to go do that? the governor told me on this program he doesn't believe that it's a blue state or a red state issue. and remember, i think we always need to remind people what this funding goes to. it goes to paying police officers. it goes to paying firefighters. it goes to paying health care workers and teachers, the things all of us need to have a functional society. and to punish them and force the state or city into furloughs or layoffs, that's just completely unfair. >> well, it's not just. that right now, okay, so we're seeing the blue states have been hit first and hit hard. but you have states that use oil and gas revenue to fund their programs. they're suddenly seeing -- you have states who need casino gambling in order to fund their state programs. that's going away. and then i'll take you to florida whose state uses tourism

dollars and that's going to dry up. the states saying, you just wait. everybody while they use different revenue sources is going to end up in the same problem. so let's go down to florida. just five days after miami beach opened up parks and beaches they had to close south point park. can you see here, people packed the park. many without masks. the miami beach mayor says officials warned people about not wearing masks and cited hundreds of people for not social distancing. florida reported 72 new deaths tuesday bringing the total to more than 1500 lives lost. joining me now is nbc's sam brock. he is in miami beach. sam, i'd like to update there. then there some chatter about how accurate is florida's death toll? >> yeah, that has been an interesting conversation point, chuck. good afternoon. we know that they were looking at a figure that was 113 tuesday, the highest total

represented so far. here's the problem with that. the state department of health reported 71 or 72. at the same time, we're hearing the 113 figure. there is a medical examiner's commission that has the own talley. it is no longer included with what the state is reporting. the medical examiner side, that is coming from out of state, people in florida right now in addition to florida residence. so the state is basically deciding we're not going to count that in the total. what the accurate numbers are, i would leave to you. there is a lot of conversation about how accurate and how we should be looking at florida's numbers since there is lags as well. that is true across the board. to your point about the south point park behind me this is an area, there is 38,000 con furmd cases in florida. so any time you open anything, there is going to be a lot of scrutiny. what the mayor of miami beach came out and said is we opened dozens of parks and marine yaz. for the most part, very compliant. but here, you mention that video, chuck. you're seeing it. all these people cramped together and not practicing

social distancing and not wearing masks. that raised eyebrows. cyclists expected to go through here today and here's what they told me they saw and expecting. >> the park was packed like people are really out of the beehive and they were so happy. i said that's not good. >> the rollerbladers, the strollers, bikers, no masks. people walking into you, people walking sued by side. mass confusion. >> now that is not necessarily -- sam brock -- >> the question becomes if this is going on here, what is going to happen on the beaches, chuck? >> no doubt. sam brock with that report for us, sam, thank you. we've got our technical situation worked out with governor yoe. welcome back. you were talking about what you needed from the federal government. let me do a quick followup bring hand it back to katy. this issue of state funding and i think that, you know, every

state is going to have their own funding problems as this cascades whether you have casino revenue queshgs go through all that. but are you ready? do you think you have to go before congress to make your case publicly? >> they have no case, chuck. they have no case. you want to bring back the economy. how are you going to do it without bringing back the states? you wand to fund small business but not police and teachers. you want to do the reopening but there is no funding? there is no case. they're bailing out blue states. you want a partisan, make this a partisan issues. what, republicans don't die from this virus? you want to really talk about bailout? new york state gives $30 billion more per year. mitch mcconnell of kentucky is one of the biggest taking states, florida is one of the biggest taking states, $30 billion more than they put in. they don't want to have this

conversation. >> katy? >> i want to jump in and ask about what is going on with kids in this disease. yesterday we had a report about an inflamatory infection that was affecting kids that seemed to be linked to covid-19. wnbc is now reporting that 64 children in new york state have now presented in hospitals with a serious pediatric syndrome that is believed to be linked to covid-19. what do you know about that? has that caught your health department off guard? >> i don't think it caught anyone off guard, katy. it's developing now apparently they had a couple of cases in the uk on this. we're looking at it in new york. the information is all preliminary at this time. we're talking to some individual hospital that's have some cases that they're questioning. but it looks like -- again, preliminary -- but young children who even test covid-19

positive or test for the covid-19 antibodies would suggest they had the virus which have an inflamatory response. it's not really respiratory. it's more in the blood vessels themselves where they have an inflamatory response to the virus or antibodies. i don't believe there's been any fatalities from it. but it is something the department of health is looking at. >> what is the message to parents out there who might be waking up -- i say this from personal experience. i mentioned this yesterday. i woke up and my son, my 1-year-old son had a rash all over his body. . as parent living in this time, i got very freaked out by it. i contacted the pediatrician. it is supposed to just be hives, they think. but what is your message to parents out there as they are highly alert and in tune to what is going on with their kids? >> yeah. they should be, katy. look, the truth is anyone who tells you well, we know

definitively what's going on, i don't think anyone does. you know, i talked to all the experts around the country, all around the world. i don't think anyone knows exactly what they're talking b i mean the more we learn, the more we learn that we were wrong. right? now they're talking about the virus may have been here last year in november and december, cdc just announced that cases on the east coast came from europe and not china. so so much of what we heard turned out -- turns out to be wrong. so i understand why parents will be anxious. we don't know all the facts. >> i want to talk about the mid to long term solution and we've talked a little bit about this before. we had the head of the transit authority on earlier. the manhattan business climate,

are you concerned that some big companies may say, you know what? i can't have this many employees this tightly -- i'm just not going to bring them all back. and it's not just a temporarily so. i'm going to disperse, you know, i'll have the same amount for my company but i'm going to disperse it around. you are concerned about that kind of long term economic impact from manhattan? if so, what do you tell the ceos to make them feel better? >> yeah. i don't think -- i hear the potential issue, chuck. i haven't heard it. i don't believe it's an issue. this is not a new york centric issue. this is a national issue, global issue, obviously. to the extent that new york had more cases than most areas, i think we understand what happened. the cdc said well the cases were coming from europe. you know, everybody was watching china. china travel ban. and obviously the virus left

china. then we were bringing in two million people from europe. and the federal government, the global organizations, nobody gave us an alert. so all those people came over from europe. if we were going to have that issue, it would have been after 9/11 where obviously new york wasn't alone on 9/11. but new york was targetted. if that is going to be the response from business leaders, it would have been after 9/11, i believe. >> good point. >> we have a report coming up in just a moment, governor. i'd like to get your answer on this. there is nearly 5,000 deaths now in new york state that are being -- that have come from nursing homes. i think it's 4800 is the more exact number. what is the state doing in order to ensure that those who are in

those homes are being kept safe? there are people who run these nursing homes and saying they need money from the state government or the federal government to have their care workers live on sight so they can create a protective bubble around those nursing homes. there are others who said, listen, we need the help of the national guard. what is new york doing? >> the nursing homes scared me the most from day one. we were introduced to this virus in the state of washington at a nursing home. you have the most vulnerable population in congregate setting. so it is ground zero for this virus. we have done everything we can to tell you the truth. we actually have taken action that's i wasn't comfortable with but my health experts said were mandatory. we have no visitors going into a nursing home. can you just think of that? you're in a nursing home. we have no visitors.

because it's so hard to stop this virus. we're testing all the staff that works there. they're providing ppe, et cetera. our rule is simple. if a nursing home believes they cannot provide adequate care for the person for any reason, they must transfer the person. and we have facilities and beds and we have covid-19 facilities for people from nursing homes. so it's up to that nursing home. if they believe they can't adequately care for that person for whatever reason, then that patient has to be transferred. now having said all that, you can put whatever perfect system in place because there is no perfect system. all it takes is one person to walk into that nursing home. one facility person, one staff person that doesn't test positive. and once the virus is there, it is ravaging. it is just ravaging.

understand you're not really going to be able to stop this in a nursing home. we lost 230 people last night. not because you didn't have the best hospital care and the best nurse and the best doctor, sometimes the virus wins. and when you talk about a senior population, vulnerable people, the success rate of that virus goes way up. >> it is terrifying to have a loved one in any facility, nursing home, special needs facility right now. andrew cuomo, thank you for joining us. thanks for bearing with us with the technical difficulties. we appreciate it. >> yes. >> my pleasure. thank you for what you're doing katy and chuck. >> thank you. and i just mentioned this statistic to the governor as of may 3rd, 5,000 people have died of the coronavirus in nursing homes in the state of new york

alone. one nursing home in brooklyn's kabul hill neighborhood was particularly hit hard. overwhelmed and unequipped, sick residents couldn't get tested. now family whose patriarch resided there and died of the disease is asking for answers. nbc news correspondent ron allen joins us now with more on that story. ron, what do you have? >> katy this is a very complicated and emotional situation. his family still doesn't know what happened. ♪ happy birthday to you >> celebrating a recent birthday in this home video. his grieving family struggling with unanswered questions about his death at the kabul hill health center in brooklyn.

>> he was trying to inquiry about his whole thing, you know, they were giving us the run around. >> his brother and wife said they learned of their father's death when they called the nursing home worried, days after records showed that the kabul hill health center had the most reported presume deaths due to covid-19 of any nursing home in new york state. he had not been able to see his father for a month because of the federal ban on visits. >> reporter: how do you feel now that you weren't able to there be with him at the snend. >> horrible. horrible. you feel like you failed your parent, you know? i don't want to feel that way. you know? it's a tough thing. >> he says a doctor first told him six days before his father's death he had an upper respiratory infection, on an. v because of dehydration and the nursing home did not have test for covid-19. over the next few days, he says his family could not get any more information. >> i was asking a lot about it. i wanted to take him to the hospital. i didn't want to leave him there. they didn't have the capability

to take him. >> cobble hill health center would not comment on the gutierrez family allegations and declined an nbc news for an interview citing privacy concerns but sent us several e-mails, nursing home officials sent to help edge officials late march to mid april asking for help. saying that they were in dire need of ppe, especially gown gowns and facemasks and 50 patients were there and we don't have the ability to separate them based on staffing. a day after his death and with cobble hill in the headlines because so many residents died there, the ceo expressed his frustration to a crowd of supportive neighbors. >> right here, they're doing it alone. we're doing it alone. so these people are doing everything they can. these people right here. these people right here. >> the statement new york health officials say we were responsive to cobble hill offering help with staffing and ppe. the nursing home posted letters to families on the website saying that the facility tried

to put in place a robust system contacting each family twice a week with updates while admitting despite our best intentions to communicate with you, we recognize that mistakes were likely made along the way. all of that little comfort to the gutierrez family. like many who lost ones in nursing homes, struggling. >> he didn't deserve to die that way. they could have done better over there, you know? >> here at cobble hill, behind me can you see what is happening. it's the community supporting the staff here. nurse's appreciation day. they brought out food and care packages. the community tried to support the nursing home throughout this. as you can see, there is a lot of finger pointing and blame to go around. we feel for the gutierrez family. now there are state and federal investigations of nursing homes across the country. there are calls for more inspections and requirement that's the facilities are much more transparent about what is happening inside, reporting

covid-19 deaths and cases, trying to give the families the information they need to make an informed decision should they need to get to that moment. back to you. >> ron allen in brooklyn, new york. thank you very much. chuck, over to you. when we come back, we're going to speak to republican senator kevin cramer. he is calling into a investigation of price fixing in the meat industry. an industry that has taken a huge hit because of this pandemic. a lot of people are wondering did we let this industry consolidate too much and is that why we're sitting with a meat shortage? we'll be back in less than two minutes. k in less than two minutes.

the attorneys general for 11 states sent an open letter to william barr asking the justice department to investigate antitrust concerns regarding the four largest meat packing companies. they say potential price fixing could hurt farmers and ranchers that are struggling with food insecurity during this pandemic. joining us now is kevin cramer, republican from north dakota. one of first to call for an investigation into price fixing in this industry. and senator, considering what we're seeing where this -- you have the price fixing issue and

i'm curious are you -- are we now watching the down side of the consolidation of this industry? >> chuck, thanks for the opportunity. i think what you're touching on seems like two different issues. they're two in the same. but the one, the covid-1919 in particular when you start not being able to have a hamburger at wendy's, we have a consolidation problem of meat packing that is exposed by the covid-19 pandemic. i think the concentration is around a long time, probably for, you know, two three decades at least. >> what you would like to see change? is there a legal change? what you would like to see that would sort of disaggregate the

meat processing i was reading a story about europe. there is simply more processing plants around europe so they're not having this same issue. >> so great point. diversity in lots of things, lots of supply chains has value. there is concentration. you know the scale. one reason we saw a lot of consolidation is technology came along and it made it a lot more efficient. and it was economic. now, of course, when we're down to four processors who have 80% of the market in the united states and one is in china, they control the whole supply chain. so just an example, january 1st, prices a rancher got for a cow is $125 of 100 weight. the price you pay for a steak at the store is like $2.50. on april 5th, that cow is down

to $88 for the rancher but the steak doubled in price. and this inverse pricing relationship exposes an economic problem with consolidation. diversity you're talking about i think is what we need to get back to. now what we're asking the attorney general to do is check on any -- doing an investigation and antitrust violations. they can't tell wlus they are or not doing one, we hear from folks that maybe are. but that said, how do you get back to what once was? i think some has to be market rate. some is states have to say a lot about. i'd like to see a lot more. i think ranchers. the i know ranch woerz like it too. right now they're held captive by such a small concentrated group of laws. >> nothing helps competition. nothing helps in some ways if you had more competing in the market. katy, next question for the

senator? >> katy, i think given this extraordinary moment that we're in and all of us being in the same boat and i mean higher education, health care, business, workers and, you know, the employees in the customers, i think we need to have some sort of a liability issue. we're already seeing rapid lawsuits. universities and university systems around the country. there is one i heard about today that a number of students, a lawyer found a number of students and now suing for harmful damage to the student because they didn't get to finish the year in their dorm. this is frivolous stuff is what happens in times like these. and just like the meat packing situation, we expose other challenges, other vulnerabilities in our system. this is one of them. i think we owe it to everybody to tamp down on the liability parade.

why do you need to add another layer to protect a business from a potential lawsuit from awe worker? isn't it fwoer have the worker have leverage in order to say to the business, hey, you got to put protections in place to make sure that i can reasonably protect myself if i'm going to come into work for you? >> there's every possible incentive for the employer to take care of the workers. we're seeing that every day now being played out. to the beginning of your point, they already have workers compensation insurance which ensures, of course, that the employer but also provides revenue to the employee should they get injured or sick on the

job. so really what we're asking for is to leave it at that and to not put the kinds of restriction onz the business they can't even operate. because we have got to get our economy going again. that is to the benefit of everybody, every employer and employee. now, we shouldn't simply cover up or provide an excuse for gross negligence. i wouldn't support that. but some sort of a, you know, liability reform that protects against what we're going through right now and taking economic advantage of nem a vulnerable time i think is entirely appropriate. >> senator, i'd be remiss if i didn't ask you about the oil and gas industry and how important it is to north dakota's economy, north dakota's revenue. i think you're one of two states where i think half of the state budget i think comes in some form from that industry.

how concerned are you? >> ski that oil and gas industry that all of the support, the financial support, whether it's through paycheck protection program or any other part of the c.a.r.e.s. act or the credit tools they're coming out with that they be industry neutral so the oil and gas industry can use them as much as anybody. one of the challenges with oil and gas, i think oil and gas, like food, is a critical supply chain. it doesn't pay to be energy independent if you don't exercise that. the that allows us some sort of national security in a pretty significant way, not to mention economic security. north dakota has a lot of smaller companies and the xplin includi supply chain. i don't want to see the same consolidation with a handful of very large oil companies, multinationals, that control the price of everything and revenue and investment follows them overseas. i want to see that, again, back to your earlier point, you know,

that more diverse supply. so what i'd like to see is i'd like to see some tool come out that provides an opportunity for the highly leveraged companies to find a way to restructure the existing debt. tools provide some revenue and some credit facilities to bridge loans. but i think they really need and what can get them to the other side and prices back with the demand, would be some sort of restructuring of debt. not simply a handout or grant but restructuring is good. >> senator cramer, i appreciate your time. you bring up an interesting fear that i think people have in a lot of industries which is at a time like this big gets bigger. and vulnerable gets bobbled up. i can see that fear in frac wrg a couple entities have cash to throw around. so something to be on the lookout there. senator cramer, thank you. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> katy? >> my pleasure to both of you. >> and chuck, next we head to

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hollywood, california, with a taste of what the new rules are going to look like. >> chuck, you know, based upon what kind of business you are, really going to determine how you're able to handle this. you know, so this is specifically targeted, phase two, at the retail business that's are considered low risk. things like clothing apparel, sporting goods, book stores, small business that's will be allowed within the restrictions to offer curve side pickup. one of the biggest challenges, right now, is that some of the guidelines for what the business need to open ut don't get specified until thursday. there is advance notice. obviously, you need to be up to date on your ability to clean a business like this. do you have the proper prospective gear, masks for your employees? you are able to provide paid time off in case an employee gets sick with the coronavirus? and then the extra added layer on top of this is that this is coming at a crucial time for some of the businesses. one of the other businesses that

was indicated as able to open are flower shops. this weekend is like the super bowl for florists. this will happen on the friday before mother's day weekend. we spoke to a flower shop here in hollywood. one of the biggest challenges is that she's used to serving clients that are in the entertainment industry, big time corporate clients like the hollywood bowl and now she has to figure out within a week's time how to change the business to serve the general public which means changing advertising and getting all that product ready for friday. here's what she said about that challenge. listen to. this. >> it is happening during one of the biggest holidays for us, mother's day. it's a good thing. but, yet, it's -- we have to prepare a lot and just see what we can do to pick up the business. because i'm going to have to find another niche instead of events. at least for a while. >> one of the most heartbreaking twist of fate in all this is that one of the things that kept her business afloat is serving

the victims who have died from the coronavirus and their family members with flowers. but obviously, anything is helpful in these tombs fimes. what is knoll included which is, you know, in am room dining, restaurants, malls, office spaces. a lot of that is going to come in phase three. a lot of this is the groundwork for future dates which the governor says is at least months away. so a long time to go before it's business as usual. chuck, back to you. >> baby steps as we say. steve paterson with that report, thank you. katy? >> now let's go overseas. south korea reported the first case of coronavirus on the same day, the same day as the united states. today the country reported just two new cases. and now south korea is starting to reopen. our correspondent has a look at that country's new normal. >> reporter: the new normal in south korea, thermal scanners at

theme parks, buying makeups in masks, social distancing rules relaxed. and soon the government said today real fans at the ballpark. >> i need a hair cut. >> american paul raid spernt most of the last three months at home in seoul with his wife and two sons. in a couple of weeks, they'll be going back to school. you actually haven't been on a full lockout, have you? >> march and april mostly. we didn't leave hardly at all. >> we're all excited about resuming some normalcy. >> south korea reported its first case of coronavirus the same day as the u.s., january 20th. after hitting a peak in late february. today, just two cases and to date, 255 deaths. why is mask testing mass testing so important? >> you need it to fight covid-19. >> they tested more than 740,000

people including me three times now. and they're putting nearly everyone arriving from abroad into a mandatory 14 day quarantine. for foreigners like me, a trip to a government center where you can't leave your room. meals are delivered to your door. interesting ham and cheese sandwich. and this is what a daily jog looks like. break the rules and you face fines, even a year in jail. the government strategy has worked so well they're expanding it. building a massive data base and real time tracking of people who tested positive with street-cam raz, smart phones, and credit card data. it also means giving up privacy. >> i see why people could feel uncomfortable with it. the tradeoff for people not being sick and hospitalized and dying, i think is worth it. >> gosh, i hope kelly had netflix in that room. thank you very much. up next, the latest on the

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researchers at pfizer and new york university are working on a new kind of vaccine they say could be available to the public as soon as september. human trials have already bre gun it's one of dozens of treatments under review. it uses genetic material, rna, to teach cells to make proteins associated with the coronavirus without making a person sick. the body's immune system would then kick in and create necessary antibodies. our own tom costello spoke exclusively to some of the trial's participants. >> reporter: at nyu hospital in new york, shoulders out for a groundbreaking vaccine trial, and this one is different. rather than building a vaccine from the virus itself, researchers from pfizer and a german partner are in stead

trying to alter the genetic code. dr. mark mulligan is leading the trial. >> it was just in jarn air that the viral sequence was first published. here we are less than four months later and we're launching a trial u.s. yoga instructor melissa learned of the need for the volunteers from her husband, a doctor at nyu. >> we live so close. i could just walk and be helpful to humanity at this time. >> researchers think this trial could lead to an energy fda vaccine approval by september that will take longer to ramp up production and roll out. here's what's interesting, the vaccine carries the genetic code known as messenger rna that instructs the cells to make the coronavirus but without making someone sick. the hope is the immune system will kick in to create the

antibodies to fight off covid-19. pfizer is now testing four genetic vaccine variations. >> there's always risks with every new vaccine and treatment. i do think the urgency here, the tremendous medical need and the suffering seems to outweigh those risks. >> reporter: because it's a natural genetic process, doctors believe the risk is actually low. outside experts caution it's still experimental. >> the big question that trials have to answer is will the vaccine be effective? will it be able to produce a good protective response against covid-19 and will it be safe to u use. >> katy, one of the things that everybody should realizes on these vaccine reports that we air and bring on is that we want to have 50 shots at this so one or two of them are right. i think as a reminder 90% of

these trials fail, but the more that are out there, the more likely we're going to get a -- not to mix my metaphors here -- a shot on goals. >> it's a numbers game, chuck. you're mixing your metaphors for a little good news. some major league soccer players are back on the training field. all workouts are voluntary. the league has protocols in place for the health and safety of the players. to take part, players must have their temperatures taken when they arrive after washing their hands and disinfecting their equipment, players can head to their own part of the field for an individual workout. there's no passing between players allowed. it's not quite the same -- not at all frankly the same as training with the whole team, but it is a step forward. i'm a little curious about the no passing between players. isn't it just your feet? why can't you pass the ball between two people kicking it? >> i guess it's inevitable that

once you start doing that, then you'll start doing more and more and more. i'll tell you, it's going to be interesting as these leagues try to open the doors a little bit for their athletes, the nba has got an interesting situation. they may let individual teams, if your state has lifted your lockdown, to go ahead and do it. not every team is in every start. i do think sports has an extra problem in that different states with different rules, it's going to be an interesting challenge i think for the sports league, katy. >> no doubt about that. obviously we'd all want to see -- >> that's our high sign. for that, katy and i will say goodbye for today. nicolle wallace and brian williams pick things up right after this quick break.

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watch your favorites from anywhere in the house with the xfinity stream app. free with your xfinity service. now any room can be a tv room. stream live tv, on demand shows and movies, even your dvr recordings. download the xfinity stream app today to stream the entertainment you love. good day. brian williams here with you. 3:00 p.m. in the east, 12:00 noon out west. nicolle wallace will be along momentarily. first, the headlines and the fax as we know them at this hour. the u.s. now has more than 1.2 million confirmed cases of the coronavirus. over 72,000 americans have died. the actual number of cases is far higher, but so far just over

2% of our population has been tested. one day after confirming that he planned to wind down the coronavirus tax force, president trump reversed himself. he announced today it will continue indefinitely and it will focus on developing a vaccine and treatments. here is some of what the president had to say just within the last hour about why he changed his mind. >> i thought we could wind it down sooner. but i had no idea how popular the task force is until actually yesterday when i started talking about winding it down, i'd get calls from very respected people saying i think it would be better to keep it going it's done just a good job. it's a respected task force. we'll be adding some people to the task force, and they'll be more in the neighborhood probably of opening the country up. the payroll services company adp estimates the u.s. private

sector shed over 20 million jobs just between march and april. the number still likely underestimates the full economic damage of the pandemic. since adp used the week of april 12th as the sample period. remember, the labor department releases its april jobs report coming up on friday. europe is expected to see its worst economic shock since the great depression. the european union said today its economy will likely contract by nearly 7.5% this year. i'm joined by my colleague nicolle wallace host of "deadline white house." nicolle, you'll note the president using the word popularity to explain why the ones dead and now alive again task force lives to see another day. >> i had to get up and pick my jaw off the floor. you hope for the best in times

like this. i talked to a close friend and ally of the president this morning who said he's all we've got right now. so you watch tape like that and you want to will it not to be true. you wish at some level he wanted the task force to advise him, inform him, help him make decisions to save lives. maybe to say mr. president, if you put a mask on, maybe others will wear a mask and save someone in their community and in their life. to hear them say on television the only reason the task force is alive after being killed yesterday is because respected people called him and told him it was popular, you wish you could get to those people to ask them to call him and tell him not to lie. there is no mooring, no grounding in the tragedy we're living through. there's just him and his reflection in the media, in this case the reflection of his

coronavirus task force in the media. the fact is, coronavirus is still a major public health crisis, killing or sickening thousands of americans every single day. trump made it clear his top priority is reopening the economy regardless of the cost. here is what he said during his trip to arizona yesterday. >> the people of our country are warriors, and i'm not saying anything is perfect. yes, will some people be affected? yes. will some people be affected badly? yes. we have to get our country open and get it open soon. >> do you believe that's the reality we're facing, that lives will be lost to reopen the country? >> it's possible there will be some because you won't be locked into an apartment or a house or whatever it is, but at the same time we're going to practice social distancing. we're going to be washing hands, doing a lot of the things that we've learned to do over the last period of time. and we have to get our country back. >> joining our conversation, dr.

erwin red letter from disaster preparedness at columbia university and "new york times" political reporter nick come sorry. he has bangup reporting on how jared kushner's led a fumbling hunt for supplies. can you take us through where we are right now. i think it is on the one hand a sign for optimism that we're talking about reopening the country. on the other, nobody missed the fact that our own cdc, donald trump's own federal emergency management agency developed a model that made its way into the press this week that shows things will get a lot worse before they get better. heading into june 1st, infection rate expected to quadruple, the death rate expected to double. >> yeah, nicolle. the whole thing is crazy. it's now nine days since the first state in the union,

georgia, under governor kemp reopened, so to speak, the state of georgia, really over the strong objections to virtually every mayor. i spoke a couple days ago with mayor bottoms of atlanta and mayor davis of augusta. the word that the mayor of atlanta, mayor bottoms said, she was stunned to look at the streets of atlanta and see people walking around without face masks, gathering together, going in and out of shops, et cetera. mayor davis said this is the equivalent of an absolute train wreck that's going to happen in their state. there's nothing the mayors can do about it. it's an incredible situation. we have 30 other states ready to pleep in there. the problem really is this. we've talked about this many times. we don't have enough testing capacity or contact tracing capacity to safely open businesses on main street. it's very personal. are you going to take your family into a restaurant without

knowing that the kitchen workers, the servers and so on are free of covid? until that happens, how is it that we're going to feel safe going, quote, unquote, back to work and resuming the economy, nicolle? >> nick com camnick, you don't your little people into places where perhaps asymptomatically they're spreading it. the effort to get their arms around this, to do anything competently, professionally or with the kind of results that donald trump talks about but are never tied in reality is chronicled in painstaking investigative reporting in your paper today. talk about another level of this botched response to get the kinds of things dr. redlener is talking about, testing supplies and protective gear. >> our story, nicolle, focused on a new effort to find a new

source of ppe in march and early april at the time when the country was basically out of ppe and fema was almost out. they were looking for these masks and gowns and gloves and other materials that would help front line workers with the emergency response. what they did was, they took 20-something people from wall street, the trump task force and place them at the front lines of the search inside fema in the hopes their experience and private equity deal sourcing would be a good match for running through hundreds and hundreds of leads. instead they were overwhelmed, they hadn't had the training or expertise in procuring procedures or supplies. we talked to a volunteer who said after the experiment was over, not a single lead that they had processed had turned into a firm contract for ppe for fema. >> there's also an echo of the whistle-blower complaint yesterday from dr. bright of

crony i cronyism and real, real political orientation toward directing the kinds of things they did get their hands on. this is from your rhett porting. quote, many of the volunteers were told to prioritize tips from political allies and associates of president trump tracked on a spreadsheet called vip update. this is in the middle of a pandemic, folks. according to documents and emails obtained by "the new york times," among them were leads from republican members of congress that trump youth activist charlie kirk and former "apprentice" contestant who served as the campaign chair of women for trump. if it wasn't tragic, if there weren't lives on the line, it would almost be comical if it weren't so corrupt, nick confessore. >> this is the best idea -- separate from the air ridge effort to get supplies from these major companies over from

china. this was hampered by the pollicization that the kids had to prioritize these leads from the president and his allies aside from the reason that they were friends and vips. there was no indication that these leads were better or higher quality. but they got higher in the queue and that wasted time. >> dr. redlener, if the federal government came to you and said we need you to adjust your life's work and thinking, could you come up with a mod ill where it would satisfy our need to, quote, get back to work and our need to maintain the public health? chris christy this past weekend on a podcast became the latest person to frame it as maintaining the american way of life even if we, in effect, lose americans in the process.

>> brian, this is one of the major ethical questions we've had in our lifetime and i hope we don't have to face it again. we have this artificial dilemma of choosing between our economy and life sfiel and one side and the public health and actually life and death on the other side. it's absurd. we wouldn't be having this conversation if we had been remotely competent in the beginning in terms of getting our act together with making testing available. the fact that we're still talking about it in may is stunning to me. i'm trying to think of new adjectives and adverbs to describe how distressing this is to most of us. having the task force in or out or who is on it, it seems to be an irrelevant, ridiculous point at this time. what difference is it going to make? we've already lost absolutely

faith or confidence in the president in general. he's not even making believe that the actual lives that might be lost or will be lost make all that much difference compared to his popularity and the economy and so on. so it's hard to know where to begin or end the conversation, brian. it's just ridiculous when we don't have the tools we need to get our lives back, testing and contact tracing. it's pretty straightforward except we don't have those tools yet, brian. >> nick, i have a question having to do with your stunning reporting and the annoyingly ubiquitous phrase in the world of best "best practices." here is jared kushner, harvard graduate, son of a new york, new jersey, real estate family. have be had best practices been employed in putting together a white house staff, would he have been, would his name have surfaced as the result of an organic job

search to fill a position so critical that he's been referred to as a kind of deputy president in the west wing? >> i would say, brian, for every president in every disaster, there's someone in the white house who is riding herd on the professionals because disasters are political. what's different here is the micromanaging of the response. it's unprecedented. peak i spoke to worked at fema and still work there today said the easiest solution was to start earlier. if they had ramped up these requests and mobilized fema in january or february, the supply lines that were already in place could potentially have sufficed to find the equipment that was necessary. this was a trumpian solution to a trumpian problem. >> rather unbelievable. nick confessore, dr. ledbener,

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they have no case. you want to bring back the economy. how are you going to do it without bringing back the state economists? you want us to do the reopening but there's no funding for it. they're bailing out blue states. you want to make this a partisan issue? republicans don't do from this virus? you want to really talk about bailout. new york state gives $30 billion more per year. mitch mcconnell kentucky is one of the biggest taking states. florida is one of the biggest taking states, $30 billion more than they put in. they don't want to have this conversation. >> that's new york governor andrew cuomo just about an hour ago talking to our colleagues chuck todd and katy tur as this crisis has decimated tax revenues in hard-hit highly populated states like new york and new jersey, the president pushing back on the fact that tb

federal government should extend them a lifeline. he said it would be, quote, not fair to republicans because, as he put it, those states are, quote, run by democrats in every case. joining us now is congressman max rose, democrat of new york, represent represen represents staten island and parts of brooklyn. congressman, is this really the area we'll get into now, if you appear on a political map of the country, however much hurt you're living with and putting up with you're going to be viewed suspiciously by a republican white house and a republican senate? >> look, this is incredibly unfortunate. it's nonsense. if it didn't have such an incredible human toll, i think that it is something that we could just laugh off as bs

politics. unfortunately and so many others in elected office right now are getting calls from people in just utter desperation, people watching their businesses wither on the vine, people not sure how they'll pay the rent or put football on the table, people whose family members are sick. the american people, democrats, independents and republicans, are suffering right now. look, this does not have to be this way. we think back to super storm sandy, at that point my congressional district had voted for john mccain in the last presidential election and new jersey had a republican governor, but nonetheless, barack obama again when my community was in need and new jersey was in need, barack obama put politics aside and did the right thing. he didn't think, oh, those are republicans. he was just there with the federal government because it was only the federal government who could lend the support that

we needed. that's what we are respectfully, but nonetheless, ardently pleading for right now. this is about putting the country first. >> congressman, i'm old enough to remember your campaign commercials two years ago. and living and working here in the new york area, we all saw them on local television and local cable. one of the things you highlighted very effectively as an energetic returned military veteran was quality of life. if i'm not mistaken, one of your commercials showed a drug syringe in the gutter and you asked why we have to raise our children and put up with such things. i am tempted to ask when we will have the luxury of worrying about quality of life issues again when, between now and then, we're going to be talking about food banks. we're going to be talking about

economic depression level numbers in your congressional district and every other highly populated metropolitan area i can think of. >> so that when is up to us. i appreciate you shouting out my old commercials. you're not old, brian. when i say that when is up to us, it means how well do we practice social distancing to continue to bend this curve. when i say it's up to us, it's how well can the federal government procure those critical supplies to allow us to dramatically expand testing, contact tracing, antibody testing and expand the number of treatment units that we have. when i say it's up to us, though, it's also about the provision of billions of dollars to states and localities so we do not have to fire sanitation

workers, cops, teachers, nurses because who are the very people that protect our quality of life? it's those state and city public servants, those heroes. and those are the very people that are going to get laid off if significant aid is not allocated to places like new york city and new york state. this is not about democrats or republicans, but what this is about is the greatest country in the history of the world. if we do the right thing -- this is not rocket science. if we do the right thing and put the full resources and strength of this nation behind it, then we will get back to those times that -- and those very issues that i referenced in my commercials not too long ago. >> congressman, are you prepared to draw a line between our behavior and our results? by that i mean, do the right

thing might mean to some people bend your curve, wear your masks, if you have to go outside, practice social distancing. new york appears to have done the right things. we're bending our curve earlier and more dramatically. granted, we were hit a lot earlier than a lot of other places. but do you think that's a new measure of who did the right thing? do you think there should be some incentive or reward system built into that? >> i have a tremendous amount of faith in humanity. governor cuomo, rightfully so, noted so many times he could never have forced people, millions upon millions of people in new york to make the changes that they did. but nonetheless, upon seeing what were incredibly scary forecasts, incredibly scary statistics, we did make those changes and we saved lives in the process. those sacrifices will continue

to have to be made. what we cannot do, though, and what we never have done in this country, and i don't know why we're doing it now, is watch people suffering and try to glean whether it is due to some fault of their own. we don't do that when florida gets hit by a hurricane. we don't do that for any other disaster. what we do say is those are americans suffering. we're not new yorkers or floridians. we're americans. let's rise to the challenge. i think that type of solidarity is what we need to have right now because the same type of solidarity i saw in the military. when i went into the national guard several weeks ago during this crisis, i saw that same type of solidarity amongst our nurses and our doctors and amongst the uniformed soldiers assisting them. they weren't asking if they were democrats or republicans. they just saw an american in need and they were there for

them, and our government needs to do the same. >> what is it like delivering these messages that i think people are hungry for about the lack of any sort of political affiliation that this pandemic has and feels. having a newborn baby, bringing a child into this top see tur i have moment in our country's history. >> it's so amazing to see pictures of miles on the screen. my wife and i adopted a child, now two months ago. we were able to tell the world about it several days ago. i was on night duty last night changing diapers and feeding the little guy. so thank you for being easy on me during this interview. but let me just say this. to bring a child into this world during such a perilous moment, it is certainly a jarring

experience, but it is also a moment where i feel a renewed strength and a renewed sense that we need to make sure that this country is safe for not only my child, but millions of other children out there. all the different sacrifices -- and they're small sacrifices that my wife leah and have had to make, raising a child during covid, those sacrifices are so small compared to the sacrifices made by our essential workers, many of whom, also, have young children. saying thank you to them is just the start. but it is not enough. we have to be there for them with real support, real ppe, real salaries and real protections for the future. we also have to be there for all our families across the country. >> congressman, i'll close with a comment and not a question

because we have the unlikely experience of getting invited into people's homes these days, i look at everybody's bookshelves. behind you, the second book from the left is "the power broker" by robert kay row. i know the spine because i look at it on my bookshelf every day. every new yorker should either read or reread the story of robert moses who built the modern city of new york, didn't know the world impossible. yes, he was a virulent elitist and bully at times, but what a powerful parable it will be for everyone who looks at this daunting task in rebuilding. that seemed unfair. i should give you 30 seconds in response. >> absolutely. let me just say this, though. first of all, robert mow sis beyond being elitist, did some very horrendous things to communities of color, but he did

get things done. but he got things done using the full power of the government. he did not bring in elitist, arrogant b school graduates from consulting companies to try to have a brief foray into government and see them impact things. this is a time when people respected government work, a time when people said those are the experts, let's resource them and watch them do things we never thought were possible. i'm sick and tired of seeing people in the private sector especially, look down at government work and think they could do it if they were willing to take the pay cut. if there's anything we recently saw from jared kushner's group, this small, elitist coalition of recent b school graduates is that this is hard work. we have to respect it. we have to support it. when we do that, as this country has always done, we can accomplish things that we could

never even dream of. >> thanks. next time we'll talk books. i see a jon meacham back there and ed mcmorris just to start the conversation. congressman max rose, enjoy domestic life as much as lack of sleep will allow you. when we come back, u.s. supreme court justice back at work electronically despite being hospitalized. an update on the condition of ruth bader ginsburg. our justice correspondent pete williams will join us for that. e williams will join us for that