we did mention, filmmaker michael moore was expected to be on the show tonight. we'll try to get him back soon him tomorrow night on "the beat" we have something very special planned. it includes joe, represent. i'll be back, of course, 6:00 p.m. eastern. keep it right here on msnbc. good evening from new york i'm steve kornacki. as president trump pushes for the company to been reopening, more states are taking their own steps forward now. although, they do not have clear federal guidance for it. there are now 1.2 million confirmed cases of the requires in this country. the death poll surpasses 76,000. there is also more testing happening which can account for repeat case numbers. 43 states in total will be partially opened in some sectors by this weekend. this amid warnings from some

they're doing too much and too soon. the associated press reports that the white house shell everybody a cdc document created to provide step-by-step guidelines. quoting from the article, the 17-page report by the centers for disease control and prevention team was supposed to be last friday but were told the guidance would never see the light of day. two officials told nbc news the white house has returned those documents to the cdc for revisions because, quote, the white house coronavirus task force viewed the cdc's advice as overly contradictive. the white house confirmed president trump's personal valets who works in close contact in the west when has tested positive for the virus. president trump said he had little personal contact with the individual and valets and other white house staff wear masks. he notably has not. they told advisers he believes

wearing one would send the message. the catastrophic economic toll of the pandemic continues to worsen. the labor department reported 3.2ple americans have now filed first time unemployment claims in the last week. that brings the seven-week total no nearly 33.5 people. that's 37% of people who had jobs in february. this comes before the monthly jobs report. it is expected to be grim with levels of unemployment not seen since the great depression. amid these trouble headlines, there was another stunning development. the justice department said it is dropping its case against president trump's arm in security adviser michael flynn. we will have much more on that a bit later this hour. but we begin with the mounting toll, this pandemic is taking on the country. both if terms of health and the economy. and i am joined by yamichal

sender and lonnie chen, fellow at the hoover institution. thanks to all of you for being with us. yamiche, let me start with you in terms of the cdc guidelines apparently drawn up and the white house task force accepting them back for revisions. what was in these guidelines that the task force and the white house, itself, was displeased with? >> well, right now, the white house is looking at making this something that can be done as expeditiously as possible. they didn't want to be too specific. because the president has been stressing that they, too, should be the ones that can open up their states that we saw today, that the president and the white house is also pushing back on a local cdc official report with the way they were talking about phasing in certain things and the president, himself, has said, multiple times, this needs to be done in a quicker fashion. people are eager to go back. at the same time, he's said in places like georgia, things

might have gone too quickly with the governor opening up hair salons and tattoo parlors faster than the president would like. >> they have been sent back for revisions. st. expectation new guidelines will be drawn up and presentdo we have a sense of where those will be? how that will look? what will be done with them? >> it sound like they're going to be done and released pretty eminently. that being said, we also have to stress the fact that the white house already put out a set of guidelines with the president and some republican governors specifically have not already been following. but in the white house the guidelines they have, the state is supposed to be 14 days of declining coronavirus cases before they can start reopening going into phase 2 and 3. what we seen in states like georgia and others, the governor is not doing that. the president is saying let's start seeing about opening up schools, let's start thinking about opening up essential thing like restaurants and then maybe later on we can look at holding

campaign rallies and concert venues and things like that. the president's own guidelines he has right now. >> that gets to an interesting question. we had this whole debate a couple weeks ago, can the president tell the states when to reopen, when not to reopen. it was the state's decision. there are all these states out there georgia is one of them move nook reopening phases. colorado. i see even california beginning there. it seems these states are coming up with rules of their own, procedures of their own, limitations and restrictions of their own. so when we get to this question of cdc guidelines, guidelines from the administration, federal guidelines, are states asking for this? are they looking for federal input or have they also made a decision that they don't want it? >> from the very beginning, we've heard from governors and local officials, that they want the federal government to be the place that gives them the guidelines. they also, though, want the federal government to be the place that gives them the testing capacity to open up their economies. that's been one of the things

that has been back and forth since the very beginning. what we seen the president do is first embrace taking the lead on guidelines and testing. what we see from the president, this is not the responsibility of the next. state and local leaders should be the ones taking the lead of this. contradiction of the president will say that's really the president trying to pass the blame to governors and others, in case people get sick. the president, though, saying that's the republican way, that there is a thing of separation of states and federal rights. as a result, he wants to respect local officials. two views of the way the president is handling this. what's clear is the president does not want to take federal responsibility for how testing is going or federal responsibility for how states reopen. >> thank you for that. appreciate the time. and seven weeks now into this pandemic and two numbers capture just how catastrophic this truly has been. there are now 1 million infected and 33 million newly unemployed in this country.

given those two realities, national review writes this, quote, we face a serious dilemma. we don't have enough money to stay idle, but we don't have enough confidence to go out and spread again. there is a dumb what i to reopen, but also a desperate risk, also conversations about acceptable risks, we are going to need to have. there are places where easing lockdowns will be disastrous and places where it may be okay. the political fight is being driven by the most reckless voices. that's pushing people in extreme direction and will add to policy decision basically impossible. well, with that setup, lonnie chen, ezekiel emanuel, i want to bring you in. i want to have a calm and reasonable discussion with you about this new phase we seem to be entering here. we are seeing states that are succeeding in flattening their curves. but we are also seeing a situation where the virus remains with us. it remains very easy to get.

we have a vaccine that's apparently a very long way off. so this phase where the vaccine is still with us. the disease is still with us. the curves are flattened. we don't have a treatment or vaccine for it. how do we function as a society? lonnie chen, i want to start with you. this is something you have been thinking about. off said have you sa plan that will allow the economy to run not optimally but smoothly until we get to that place where there is a vaccine. i want you to take us through what you are saying you'd like to see done? >> well, i think, steve, there is a couple of assumptions with estart from. one is precisely this notion that we may not have a vaccine for some time. we may not have an acceptable therapeutic for some time. in the absence of those things, we do need to think of ramping up contact tracing. that is one example in california, that's a big part of the effort. we certainly think contact traceing is a big part of this. beyond this, if you look at the steps to get an economy

reopened. one of the issues we tackle is the knead for k through 12 schools and how they will reopen. the notion that the schools will remain completely shut as we move towards the fall is not an acceptable proposition given the fact that so many parents around the country are going to be relying on these schools to provide education for their kids, also, frankly, child care so they can get back into the work force. so we take, for example, some steps around how do you figure out social distancing in the classroom, trying to expand distance learning, so it can work together with in-person learning. we stress the importance of schools getting back online. in the same way we believe it's important in workplaces where there is inher represent social distancing or younger work forces, disproportionately less affected by covid-19. those kind of places can look to begin to reopen. we're not proposing let's open everything up. we are saying let's figure out how to step back into this

economy safely and responsibly. >> i want to ask dr. emanuel about that. you say get low risk people back to work. back into the work force. the do you that you are talking about, let me give you an exam of this. this is new york city. this is the share of deaths in new york city from the coronavirus by age group. i think when you look at these numbers, under 45-years-old, you are not even talking about 4% of the deaths. 45 plus, you are talking about 96% plus of the deaths so dr. emanuel, that's one thing that lonnie is talking about here, taking that group there, under 45. not all of them. but a lot of them and deeming them low risk and trying to fast track them back to work. do you think there is something to that idea? or is tattoo risky for you? >> ah, steve, five, six weeks ago, i think in the "new york times," i proposed that we begin phasing, think about how to phase open the economy that, in

fact, we should, you know, need more testing to do that we need schools to reopen because kids are at lower risk. we need to do it in a responsible way. let's remember, kids are at low risk. but they do go home. they often go home to people, either adults or older people living in the house. people who may have co-morbid conditions. so we have to do that in a smart way. it does require social distancing. so you will have to require bigger class members. you might have to shift so kids are only going to school three days a week. you have to create pods. we are probably not doing sports. you have to think about that. i said the same thing about starting work. remember a part of what we will have is people who can work from home, they will stay working from home. there is no reason to bring them into an office if they can be just as productive at home and increase the risks there. but there are other people,

younger people who we will want to have work. but remember, not every young person is free of a co-morbidity that could actually land them in some serious water. you know, if you've got hypertension or diabetes, you are obese or asthma, you could have some complication. finally i think, steve, let's remember to get an economy working, you need demand and one of the things we have seen consistently is that the public is acting independent of what their political leaders are saying. so, before the shelter-in-place orders and the public health measures and the abandonment of large gatherings, the public was cutting back. businesses were cutting back. demand was going down. the public is not going to rush in, just because people say you can go to the tattoo parlor. you are not seeing a big huge number of people wanting to engage in that activity so you will have to ensure for the

public that things are safe that risks are minimized. that is going to require a much better testing regime. we have gone up in tests. it's going to require contact tracing and it is going to require safe guarding those people who are particularly at risk as people 65 years and older. and that also is something we haven't done a tremendously good job at. you still have a lot of outbreaks in places like nursing homes, finally, let me just say, while predominantly you may have older people getting sick, there are hot spots like a part of our food supply, meat packing, processing plants, that collect a lot of young people and they're still having a lot of outbreaks so we have to be careful. just because you are young doesn't mean are you immune, if are you in close contact with people, you can't social distance, et cetera. we are going to have to have

safeguards for various parts. age is not a good enough marker of it's safe to go back into the economy. >> all right. this is the start of a conversation i think we need to all start to be having here in the next few days, weeks and months. hopefully, we can continue another night. thank you for being with us. i appreciate that. coming up, where we stand when it comes to treatment for covid-19 and also that question of a vaccine. a doctor who is leading a clinical trial of remdesivir is going to join me next. plus the justice department as we said is asking a judge to drop the case against former national security adviser michael flynn. president trump has a lot to say about it. stay with us. it's tough to quit smoking cold turkey. so chantix can help you quit slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit.

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get a good vaccine, that we will never have to get back to where we are right now. if that means getting back to normal, then we'll get back to normal. >> that was dr. fauci stressing the importance of getting a vaccine. this morning, maderna talked about a phase 2 trial. it will involve 600 participants as early as 2021. fol early positive results. remdesivir will undergo further testing as a treatment for the virus. the world health says it is planning to engage the white house in helping to make it more widely available. for more i am joined by a physician and follow at the brookings institution dr. patel and dr. diaz president of the infectious diseases. he is involved in the trials for

remdesivir. these are my favorite segments when we do them, i am looking for signs of hope and progress. let me ask you, dr. patel, in this news of a trial moving into phase 2 on a potential vaccine. what does that mean? what had to happen here to get to phase 2? >> sure. just keep in mind, that vaccine development as you have covered before, steve, takes years and this is actually normally what would be a linear process, so looking for a target for a vaccine entering phase 1, then 2, then 3. all of that is kind of getting you know mashed together and being run in parallel. so looking at phase 2 means that certainly just to kind of make it pretty simple, that at least early on in identifying a target for a vaccine, what would the vaccine actually work against? and also thinking about safety signals, particularly in animals as well as in initial human trials, that that has been

successful enough to at least signal ongoing to the next phase. that should not be confused with, oh, we have enough data. we're just well along the way, although, maderna has certainly at least an advantage in terms of time so phase 2 normally would unfold as it would with other vaccines over a long period of time, built into these phases 1 and 2, there all the drug developers and vaccine developers are looking for what we call efficacy in trying to make sure that the vaccine actually works in the population that we want it to work. which means, that it protects us against the disease and does not intentionally cause disease, which we've seen in the past with polio vaccines and virtually other vaccines against other viruses and bacteria. so, it is a complex science that i can tell you, safely, steve, around the world, you are seeing unprecedented private sector and public sector collaboration, but

the important caveat is that we have to look for not only those safety signals, but we have to take the time to make sure that we do not create more harm in developing a vaccine. and that's absolutely what i think the imperative is. i also worry now that we have been talking about vaccines. once we have one, how can we make sure americans can get access to one? we'll talk about that another day, i suppose. ? sure. also, in addition to vaccines, we say there is that question of developing treatments here. something that can be effective before we get to a vaccine. dr. diaz, let me bring you in on that. this has been the drug everyone has been talking about the last couple of weeks, remdesivir, a treatment here that's proved effective in some ways in some of the research that's been done so far. take us through we had that big news of a break through in the last couple of weeks. is this being used any more widely right now? i know it can be used in limited circumstances. is it being used anymore?

and are we learning anything more about this drug and its effectiveness? >> well, i would say over the past couple of weeks, we've had some announcements frdr. fauci d gilead, remdesivir, it's ongoing, hopefully, it will soon be published. both showed some benefit. the city at the nih has revealed that there is an improvement to recovery time. and the study at gilead appears to show that there is an improvement in being able to be discharged from the hospital if treated early. we have been working on that study here within our health system, looking at mortality and we've detected an improvement mortality as well. we've submitted this data to -- publish. so and for those reasons, i think if the fda granted emergency -- and the manufacturer has donated over a

million doses to the u.s. government for distribution. i think that it's likely that this will become, as dr. fauci said, part of the standard care of treatment for covid. as we move forward, we're looking forward to the results of these datas and this data to be published. and ten, really, to figure out if the drug is going to be available widely. right now, the -- how this is going to be distributed is fought clear. the infectious diseases studies of america pend an open letter to the vice president asking that the distribution how hospitals obtain the anti-viral be made open and transparent and i think all of us would agree that that would be a good policy. >> dr. diaz, you said something there that caught my attention. because when we were talking to folks in the last couple weeks about remdesivir, they kept talking about the benefit in terms it shortens the duration of the symptoms for people who get over it. you said your research is detecting an improvement on

mortality. in terms of just helping people survive it period. not this duration question. the mortality question. what are you finding there? how significant is the improvement in terms of preventing mortality? >> so, we, you know, the data coming out of the -- dr. fauci mentioned had a trend for mortality. it didn't meet the markers for significance. we are detecting a benefit mortality. at this point as i mentioned, we have submitted our work for peer review and we expect that process will go rapidly. but we really hesitate to make further announcements on ourp findings until those results, which are still preliminary, be fully vetted by a well phone journal. >> all right. dr. george diaz. >> dr. pat em, thank you for joining us. always appreciate it. and up next, attorney general william barr's justice department wants to drop donald

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welcome back. in an explosive development today, the justice department dropped its charges against former national security adviser michael flynn, recommending the judge dismiss the case. in january, flynn retracted his guilty plea on charges of making false statements to the football

football during a 2017 interview, an ad mission he played on two occasions. the department of justice is questioning whether it was conducted with a legitimate investigative basis adding they do not believe mr. flip's statements were immaterial, even if it comes through. it comes after handwritten notes were by the fbi act at the time of that interview, which said this quote, what is our goal? truth/admission or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired? the fbi interviewed flynn in january, 2017, about conversations he had with russia's ambassador a few weeks earlier. those conversations had taken place when barack obama was president and flynn was a national sf citizen and not an ad advisor. in 2017, he was fired from the trump administration for lying to vice president mike pence and he was subsequently charged with

lying to the fbi before that guilty plea in late 2017. here's what attorney general bill barr told "cbs news" about the decision to drop the charges this evening. >> they did not have a basis for a counterintelligence investigation against flynn at that stage. >> does the fact remain he lied? >> well, people sometimes plead to things that turn out not to be crimes. >> when history looks back on this decision, how do you think it will be written? >> well, history is written by the winners. largely, it depends on who is writing the history. >> now, in a sign of possible discord, we are learning the lawyer that led the prosecution of flynn abruptly withdrew an hour before the charges were drochltd for more i am joined by betsy swann, national reporter for politico. she knows all about this and thank you for joining us.

let me start with the bottom line question here. the department of justice makes this move. it's done with flynn. it still has to go before a judge s. that just a formality at this point or is there still a potential dispute here? >> that's right. there has been some speculation that it's possible the judge may respond to this in an unpredictable way. generally speaking, federal judges don't try to require prosecutors to bring cases, but those prosecutors say they don't want to do. so i think it's quite unlikely that the judge would intervene in a way that would block the justice department from moving forward in this case. the federal judge presiding over this case has in the past telegraphed not a huge amount of sympathy towards flynn. teleupon theically that would have a potential memorable closing episode to this saga. >> so what is the link between folks who filed this only

loosely remember the end of 2017, michael flynn pleased guilty to lying to the fbi. he had been fired at the time. the vice president mike pence said flynn lied to him about the same thing. all of this happened. what itself the link that gets us from there to where we are today? where did this turn around for flynn? >> flynn changed his legal team prior to or during the phase of the proceeding when he was represented by covington, a major white collar law firm. he proceeded in a way you would kind of expect someone with his set of facts to proceed. he pleaded guilty and then the case slowly inched its way towards sentencing process. but that process was very slow. it was quite convoluted. then flynn parted ways with the covington team representing him and bringing on sydney powell, a bomb thrower, very aggressive. somebody who has been quite opened of being a part of sort

of the maga camp. she took the opposite approach than flynn's legal team had taken and aggressively started to work to try to usually get the outcome that they've now gotten. powell has been on hannity a lot of times, the president regularly watches and has made the case clearly enough to per somewhat i'd the political officials and flynn was mistreated, one detail that i think is important to notice is just the extraordinary polarization within doj regarding the flynn case. the line prosecutor you referenced earlier, who pulled out abruptly just an hour before the doj filing came out is brandon ben brack. he was one of the original members of robert mueller's team. he has been work on this for years. the fact that he yanked his name is undoubtedly nothing other than a sign of him being troubled by the way it is being handled. another thing that's interested about this filing. at the end it's only signed by

one person, timothy shea former attorney and former counselor to bill barr. basically every single core filing from the justice department there are folks called assistant u.s. attorneys or ausas. those are the line prosecutors, kind of the worker bees in the doj who do the day in/day out work of burning a case. there is not a single ausa signature on this filing. those would be the career officials, the people doing the heavy lifting. the fact that there aren't any names of those folks on this document really suggests that there is intense frustration among the department's career ranks regarding this decision. i chatted with several doj lawyers one who pointed it out to me initially who was a doj official. this person said they never seen a document like this before, one signed without the names of any

ausa's. >> great information there. i appreciate you taking us through this. up next, another 3 million americans out of work. that is more than 33 million jobs lost since is this pandemic. we got some new polling on this, the folks who are out of work. what are their expectations? and how long can they and their families survive at this point in we will take you through those numbers, what they are saying right after this. u throu those numbers, what they are saying right after this. there's no better story than your story. and ancestry can help you discover it. you might just find the more you learn about your family history

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. well, life in america these days. here you go. the stores are closed. the streets are virtually empty. a lot of people are out of work these days. we have been talking about those unemployment numbers. they will come out tomorrow. we will see the highest officially since the great depression. so the folks that lost their jobs since this all began, tens of millions of them, how are they doing? who are their expectations? that is the poll from "the washington post". it's an interesting poll. first of all, i ask the question. since the pandemic began, have

you been laid off? 13%, this may seem small, 13% of the people polled say they've lost their jobs, this in a span of six weeks. that's tense of millions of people. so those folks who lost their jobs, who have been laid off or furloughed. here's a question, where have they gotten financial assistance from this time? here's possible sources. remember those checks, the stimulus for congress, the checks sent out, direct deposited. about 60% of the folks who have lost their jobs received that. they are helping their family. unemployment benefits. there is a lot of folks in this poll saying they've tried to apply. they weren't able to get the check. food stamps, food bank, aid from a local school. help from a neighbor or charity again a lot of people relying on that right now. here's the other question, too, when do you expect to go back to work? who are the expectations of folks laid off? 28% say it will be less than a

month. in a month, 19% so basically about half of folks think they're going back to work in the next month, two months, three months, some 20% think it's the long haul. how about this? how likely your old employer will hire you back? this is interesting. nearly 80% say it's likely their old employer will hire them back. then there is this question here. at the current rate at this state, how long you can and your family survive financial ply? less than a week, 4% say they can't make it a week. three to four weeks, this adds up to one-quarter of folks out of work right now say in the next four weeks their family won't be able to survive financially beyond that, three-to-five months. a third say six or more months they can last a while with this. it's a grim picture out there, folks. up next, professional athletes, celebrities, regular folks are stepping up in a big way to help those in need. we will talk to a former nfl

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. well, we talk and those charges against michael flynn. he wasn't the only to catch the break of a lifetime today. do you remember bridgegate, the only new jersey scandal from 2013 and 2014, the one with the lane closures and traffic jams and all the questions about what chris christy did and didn't know. today seven years after it all started, it finally came to an end. the two two people prosecuted and convicted in the scheme to close lanes and cause a traffic nightmare as political punishment for a local mayor. both of them had their convictions thrown out by the united states supreme court. the ruling was unanimous 9-0. you probably remember their names, bridge et kelly had been a member of christy's immortal

text message, time for traffic problems in port lee. bill baroni had been the man on the bridge. he swore it had been a legitimate traffic study. they were convicted after the architect of the scheme david wildstein pleaded guilty against them. today's ruling is not about what they did. the court simply said prosecutors overreached and applied a bribery statute to something that wasn't about bribery or financial gain. it was a corrupt act, the courts said. but it was not a federal crime. so baroni and kelly are free now. they won't be going to jail. they will be trying to rebuild their lives. wildstein is free from jail and is on probation. i do want to add a personal note here, because if i'm going to talk about all this i have to. if you followed this story when we covered it all those years years ago, i used to work for

david wildstein, he hired me for my first job in journalism more than 15 years ago now. i loved that job. i love that time in my life. i will always be grateful to him. it's up to you to make your own judgment here, of course. i can tell you publicly and privately david wildstein will be the first to say he did wrong here. all i know i hope nothing but the bet for his family. i know bill baroni and kelly. when i started out, baroni was barely 30 when he won a seat in the state assembly. a lot of people thought he'd be governor some day. all of that, of course, gone now. bridget kelly was an aide to a state legislator. her boss and ae sell byman, one of the politicians in new jersey i most respected. briget was one of my favorite people. i would pick up the phone and calm her. she was always friendly. she always had a story and was happy to talk about what was going on in her neck of the woods. she's also a mother of four.

no, she's not going to prison. she did just lose seven years of her life. now she has to start all over. i'd say she paid a price. a big price. for that matter, there is chris christie, think back to 2013 if you can. if you remember what a big deal he was back then? he thinks he would be president if it wasn't for bridgegate. as far as i'm concerned, he might be right. maybe you think he deserved that fate. maybe you think all of them deserved their fate. maybe you don't. wow, all of this all seven years of it, all of it from just a couple of traffic codes. amazing when you think about it. we'll be back in a moment with an incredible story of an nfl athlete giving back. story of an athlete giving back.

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welcome back. since the coronavirus outbreak began, many athletes used their privilege for good. when the country shut down for basketball season, many players made sure arena staff got paid and athletes like megan rapinoe

organized donation of supplies for health care workers. others like seth curry and russell wilson have worked to raise money to provide millions of meals for those in need, and now, former nfl linebacker jones is spear heading a relief effort to provide $500 to families experiencing financial hardship. a donation is made every time someone posts an act of kindness to social media with the hashtag give together now. so far the effort raised nearly $45 million, and it's helped almost 90,000 families. i'm joined now by former nfl line baker and host of "stand together live." this is a great story. $45 million raised from an act of kindness. describe the act of kindness that qualifies for this. >> as you look at it, we've raised $45 million up to this point from considerable donors

like google.org, angle soft and so many other people that are just like you and yourselves and those watching, and the acts of kindness really just came as a result of one of our amazing donors contributing $2.5 million specifically saying i just want to see acts of kindness. i want to see people who are able to go out there and give back, wave to someone that might be in a retirement home, make a mask for someone. pay for someone's groceries. there was a guy that was a recipient of the give together now $500 and he was homeless and became a truck driver and actually used his time and energy to deliver essential items to people. we're asking people to hashtag give together now and tag stand together foundation and one of our, you know, a person working on get together now will be able to see that and will be able to mass along $500 to someone that's been financially affected by covid-19.

>> again, watching to be able to raise $45 million from acts of kindness at a time like this when everybody is worried about themselves and their families. what has it told you and shown you about who people are? >> i think the most important thing to know is that we are all special people. we all have something in our heart that gives us this fuel to contribute. you know, i went to the university of pich pimichigan a coach talked about it's not about you but about something else. what is more apparent is there are those willing to spend the time with others that are truly in need because we're so fortunate as individuals that we can collectively give to the community. it been beautiful to watch the different contributions, all of the people that have really stepped up and helped those that have truly been affected.

>> you get into a traumatic event for society. is it going to change us in someways? i think we've been thinking with coronavirus about the negative ways it might change us, all the things we might not be able to do in the future we took for granted before this. but i think your project begs the question here is there someways this might change us in positive ways? >> well, i look at it this way. i read a quote the other day that happened to been instagram and said the world to be a different place when you come out of quarantine. you should be a different person as you come out of quarantine. when we think about stand together live and the great people we've been able to interview from d nice. we interviewed him twice and sean johnson, andrew zimmerman. through those conversations, we take nuggets of inspiration and hope. jay harris today was talking about leaning into your job and really being able to take

chances. those nuggets of hope go back to the people watching "stand together live" and able to change themself. we are going to be different people because the world will be different and we have to be able to adapt and we're adapting through kindness and others. it not about us but kindness. >> i got to switch gears and ask you about your former life and job as a football player because it just so happens moments ago before this segment, the nfl released its schedule for the upcoming season. they are planning to play a full schedule and formulating a ticket refund for games that may be cancelled or held without fans according to "the associated press." you know as well as anyone how the in, fl works. what do you think the odds are this fall there is a normal nfl season? >> i don't think there is anything normal about 2020.

going into the season we can have the greatest sense of hope that we will actually have sports to play, but even kind of as you showed, the refunds might happen because there might not be any people in the stands, but the game will go on. you know, i remember back when 9/11 happened, the game was paused but when it came back, there was a sense of comradery. that's another great thing about this country. we rally around sports and our athletes and being able to be on the show as a former athlete, being able to utilize my platform, it's all about helping others in the time of need. >> the stadiums are empty. there are no fans. as a player, do you have any sense what that would be like? would you enjoy that? or do you draw energy from the crowd and that would actually hurt you? how do you think that would be for the players to have no fans?

>> hopefully, it will be pumping in a bunch of crowd noise or music. the great thing about the nfl is they are creative with the way they have those games playing played and when you're on the field at the linebacker position, which i play, you're so focused on playing the game, you're actually isolating the noise because you want to be able to get your job done. >> that's a good reminder. they think they're getting into playe players' heads and they don't. you're doing a great thing here and good luck to you in this venture and going forward. >> thank you so much and i hope you're able to pass along the acts of kindness. stand together foundation and pass along $500 to a family that is financially affected due to covid-19. >> okay. excellent. hope everybody remembers that one and again, thank you for your time.

appreciate that. and thank you at home for joining us tonight. that is our show. thank you for being with us but don't go anywhere because "all in with chris hayes" is next. good evening from new york relentless something the president has been explicit about. door number one, the american people stay locked inside for 18 months. that's a claim everyone doesn't want and ridiculous and bad and so by the logic of this choice, go through door number two you have to open up choices you want to present. stay locked inside for 18 months or open up and send american citizens out as quote warriors as he called them to maybe get sick and