article that will talking about their -- sharing the microphone. blood thinners. some promising results about but beyond that, the incredibly bad example that the directors, anticoagulation medications, for people who are experiencing the heads of our government are covid infection and clots. so disregarding of the rules. so that's going to be coming up. remember a few days ago that the to your point, brian n the vice president was visiting medical profession, we are quite facilities without a mask and literally learning something new everyone around him was wearing every day, it's a challenge, also fascinating, you know, a mask and i think their lack of taking this seriously is not we're acting really, really forgotten by a lot of people who fast, there are researchers support him and are looking at right now, brian, all over the the president and vice president world working day and night to as examples, this is just, you understand how this virus is know, very sorry for the people who are positive but we need a impacting both adults and now children, and exactly what it's whole other look and process and doing and how can we combat procedures for the white house this, it's not going to be one to be a proper example for the treatment, by the way, it will rest of the country. >> john, the west wing is not a be multiple treatments because it's affecting so many different spacious place, people who come organ systems. >> dr. roy, always a pleasure to for tours are shocked at how have you on. thank you for your time on this cramped it really is.

friday. when we come back -- one day what nbc news has reported about after his justice department has moved to drop the case against these two positive infections michael flynn, what did deep inside the west wing. president trump mean when he said "he's learned a lot by watching one richard nixon"? you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from anyone else. is it the president lava level mad, the virus is no big deal, we got to get back to work has to be exposed, he's lava level mad because he wants to be protected, it's amazing there isn't self-awareness, now he understands the fear in which all americans live. >> yes, also, to the point that the doctor made a second ago, i can't imagine being someone in a why accept it from your allergy pills? position of leadership, standing flonase sensimist. nothing stronger. up and saying, okay, everybody, nothing gentler. nothing lasts longer. you y'all should masks i'm never flonase sensimist. 24 hour non-drowsy allergy relief going to wear one, the people around me in this office, i won't try to get you to wear

them. so, the modeling, the behavior you're modelling to your top staff, nicolle, the president many of life's moments in thare being put on hold. are staying at home, at carvana, we understand that, sets the tone, sets the example for some, getting a car just can't wait. and so if you're working for a to help, we're giving our customers president whose attitude, wear a up to 90 days to make their first payment. shop online from the comfort of your couch, mask, i'm not going to wear a and get your car with touchless delivery mask. then to getting anry at to keep you safe. potentially someone, now two and for even greater peace of mind, people inside that building have all carvana cars come with a seven-day return policy. gotten sick who i don't know so, if you need to keep moving, we're here for you. what their mask-wearing at carvana-- the safer way to buy a car. proclivities mandatory or widespread in the white house. you ask yourself, can someone -- you don't have a ground for complaint about this if you're going to walk around flouting what would be the right kind of behaviors the rules you should be following, you're setting a bad example, you have no right

to get unhinged about it. >> unhinged he is doctor, what should this white house be doing? should everyone be working at swithout even on yoleaving your house. just keep your phone and switch to xfinity mobile. home? what should this white house you can get it by ordering a free sim card online. with now two infections of two people in frequent proximity of once you activate, you'll only have to pay the president and the vice for the data you need- saving you up to $400 a year. president, what should the white house do. >> first of all, they need to do there are no term contracts, no activation fees, is intense contact tracing, and no credit check on the first two lines. which of course, the general public doesn't have, i'm get a $50 prepaid card when you switch. assuming that the president has it's the most reliable wireless network. and it could save you hundreds. access to make sure every single person who has contact needs to xfinity mobile. be tracked down, tested. the second thing is, you know, he continues to promote this idea of quote, unquote opening businesses all over the country. governor of georgia was the first to open the doors. i had conversations a few days ago with the major of atlanta and mayor davis of augusta, both

who are mortified. the mayor of atlanta, mayor bottoms, saw a vast majority of people without mask, clustering together, a lot of that stems from people saug, i just saw the president on tv he's not wearing a mask, i don't think they grasp, nicolle, the impact of what they do and what they say on the american public, even though his popularity is dropping and his ignorance is showing full scale i still think he's the president and -- he and the vice president are role models and terrible role models in what could be seen as the during this pandemic. >> they're also hip cites. . most politicized move yet by the the white house press secretary president's loyal attorney poopoo testing. general bill barr the doj has dropped criminal charges against they're testing every day. president trump's former

national security adviser any factory, anywhere people michael flynn. were close together, why is the you recall back in 2017, flynn white house spokeswoman still pleaded guilty to lying to the dissing testing? fbi as part of robert mueller's >> it's outrageous and the russia investigation. the president tweeted his president hasn't been quite that support for the decision this morning, congratulating michael clear, throughout the last few flynn, he added, quote, i do months, various times, he boast believe there's much more to about how much testing that goes come. on, obviously, you know, he hinting at another shiny on makes more of it than there jebt, albeit the kind of with long-lasting potential damage to really is. at the same time, he's been back our legal system and national and forth on the question on how security. the president took a victory lap in an interview with fox news urgent the need for testing is. this morning. where he mentioned lessons he the notion the president just learned from one of his pr the other day said, well, predecessors who also faced everybody's getting tested on a are daily basis. people in the white house are impeachment. >> you'll see things coming out. i learned a lot from richard getting tested daily. white house.riate for the white nixon, don't fire people. i studied history. the firing of everybody, i how can you have that posture should have in one way i'm glad and be through your spokesperson i didn't, look at the way it turned out, they're all a bunch and yourself -- the desires of

of crooks. health experts and many, many i learned a lot by watching richard nixon. citizens who would love being one difference, one big difference, he may have been guilty and he had tapes all over the place. afforded that same kind of i wasn't guilty. access. >> to be continued. there were no tapes. i wish there were tapes. >> a live conversation on thank you both for spending time television, let's keep in mind, with us. that took place during a thank you both. pandemic. with that on that note is former we'll do it again. after the break, top u.s. attorney chuck rosenberg. intelligence officials insist russia is at it again. what did donald trump and chuck, i don't quite know where vladimir putin talked about this to begin. you and i have discussed what week, one word, hoax. oax. - [spokeswoman] meet the ninja foodi grill. has become your arc, of how you view this attorney general. i'm tempted to ask you if you were surprised that barr was willing to go this far. >> not anymore. i had it completely wrong at one point, brian, i thought he was an institutionalist and following jeff sessions he would

be good for the department of justice. i was completely wrong. i was sadly not surprised. this is what i have come to expect from this attorney general and this administration. >> chuck rosenberg, donald trump has been trying to get someone, anyone to see to it to let flynn go, he didn't find that man in jeff sessions, he found that man in bill barr, bill barr now erasing all of robert mueller's procushions, should robert get the perfectly grilled flavors of an outdoor grill indoors, mueller's team stand up and say and because it's a ninja foodi, it can do even more, they still believe in those cases? >> someone needs to stand up for like transform into an air fryer. the rule of law. the ninja foodi grill, the grill that sears, sizzles, and air fry crisps. i don't think that robert mueller will speak publicly. he was clear during his find a stock basedtech. on your interests report.ny, everything he had to or what's trending. get real-time insights i wouldn't expect him to go back in your customized view of the market. on his word. it's smarter trading technology you're absolutely right, they for smarter trading decisions.

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because they sure seem material to me? by the way, nicolle, they must have seen material to the trump because based on those lies the president fired him. but the russia hoax is so the judge i think can inquire. absolute dishonest hoax made it now, how he does that and how very difficult for our nation far he goes and what kind of and their nation to deal. structure he puts to this and we discussed that. hearing remains to be seen. this judge isn't a judge who's i said, you know, it's a very appropriate times because things going lay down on the tracks are falling out and coming in because someone asks him to do line showing what a hoax this so. >> chuck, my last question for whole investigation was, it's a you, and you've been such a valuable resource to all of our total did grace. i wouldn't be surprised if you don't see a number of things viewers, where are we? if we got an attorney general in happen over the next couple of bill barr who's willing to weeks. one piece of a very dishonest saying lying to the fbi, a crony puzzle. of donald trump, that doesn't >> can't help himself as that count as a crime. cryptic threat over a lot of >> you know, where are we have a things happening over the next couple of weeks, consider the fact that trump made those place that we haven't been comments in the context of a before. i'm around for quite a bit of time now as a prosecutor and phone call he had a russian president. throughout the department of

justice and the fbi, i haven't seen this, nicolle, so where we it raises questions about how just seriously trump is taking are at is relying as you pointed the threat russia poses with out on another branch of less than six months left until government to save the executive branch and the justice the next presidential election. department from itself, we're lying now on a federal judge and let's bring in frank figliuzzi. the rule of law. you know, if i could go the when he's talking about how the investigation got in the way, greg miller at the washington fact that mr. trump said he post reported there were five learned a bunch of stuff from conversations with putin for mr. nixon, i you which there are notes. recall in response to a it, when they worked it out. they found a way to get things done despite the fact that the he lost at the supreme court, he fbi was trying to understand handed over the stuff, he handed just exactly what the russia over the documents and the tapes attack on our democracy in 2016 to the special prosecutor, i looked like. >> and where there are notes mean, maybe if mr. trump has exist about conversations with learned anything and we have seen this time and time again is putin, they're not accurate as we have learned now regarding the latest conversation that our to never cooperate, never make president had with our adversary. witnesses available. so let's break this down, on the where are we at, nicolle? very day, yesterday, that the a place that i flat-out haven't attorney general of the united states is attempting to dismiss seen before. charges and a guilty plea it frightens me.

>> it's amazing a president against a national security saying out loud that everything he knows about evading justice adviser who lied to the fbi he learned from richard nixon's about what, about his contact mistakes. with the russian ambassador, our chuck rosenberg, thanks for spending time with both of us. president is chatting with the head of russia about his ability brian, this is my least favorite part of the hour as you leave us now to successfully make the, to prepare for subsequent quote, russia hoax go away. shifts. this is reminiscent, nicolle, >> we have millions out of work, tens of millions out of work, we you'll remember back to the day in the oval office, where the have over 75,000 souls dead. president met with the russian ambassador and told him, what, i coronavirus swirling around this west wing literally and fig fired that fbi director jim comey, this whole thing is going tifly. we have threats standing against away. here we are again and who's making it go away the guy who's a decades, sencentursenccenturi supposed to be in charge of justice, the attorney general of the united states and what we have learned, don't be surprised jurisprudence and snow in the forecast on a friday in the may if in the next few weeks a lot in the year 2020 for the new york tristate area, that's it of things are going to happen, for me. president trump, i'm really i'll see you later today. concerned about what those >> i had to add to the list of

things are going to be. i have some theories. >> tell us what they are. things i'm scared for. >> many of us expected a pardon, when we return -- donald not so much of dismissal of trump facing an economy rifling charges against flynn, but we're not shocked by it. this is going to get much worse as president trump feels the great depression. we'll be right back. on cornered with regard to we'll be right back. your mouth. re-election. so, he understands that the your mouth. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. whole russia investigation helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. invalidates in his mind his never settle for 25%. election. guess what, the guy he talked to always go for 100. on the phone yesterday, he also bring out the bold™ needs that to go away, why, because we indicted over two still fresh... dozen russians by name in ♪ unstopables in-wash scent booster indictments for meddling in our ♪ election that's an embarrassment downy unstopables to trump and putin. they need it to go away. a attempt to involcano date not only to special counsel inquiry and jim comey and mccabe and

strzok, what's even more uglier to make those indictments over two dozen russians go away. the president's not calling this the comey hoax, he's not calling it to collusion hoax, he's calling it the russia hoax for a reason. he need those indictments to go away. for some reason, he thinks attorney general barr is going to invalidate those indictments and make putin those jobs, any of the people who are maligned and smear and constantly sought to be reputationally destroyed by donald trump and ag barr. what would incentive you to try to protect the country from another russian attack in 2020? >> right especially when you're someone like chris wrey who for

reasons who escape all of us, his name as coming up. people are talk about whether he will survive this. you know what tells me, the fbi is still their job. it's bothering barr and trump. it's this national intelligence security aspect that's getting under their skin. they can deal with criminal charges but the notion that the fbi actually had the audacity to view a president and his campaign and staffers as potentially compromised or colluding with a foreign power, that has gotten under their skin and they need it to go away. the men and women of the bower row will continue to do their job. the problem is, the igs have been replaced or they're going to be replaced with cronies of trump. if he replaces directors and heads of agencies, we'll see suppression of this moving forward like we have never seen before. >> it's an unbelievable thing.

the fact that the guilty plea that was affirmed as late last year by mike flynn is just thrown out the window by barr because donald trump want it to to be so is unbelievable. honoring are a coronavirus victim with a sharp mind and infectiuos smile. that's next. infectiuos smile that's next. it's full lu expected. there's no surprise, everybody knows. someone said, look at this.

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we really have to get this virus everything they can do to under control. >> i have employees that are protect him. like, i'm not going to be able hello, that's how every american to eat if it's four or five spreads about your lost eight weeks. i had to make the decision that weeks when you did nothing. i'm going to open my business. >> when you look at the him unemployment hasn't kicked in. all the loans they told us to after briefing sheet after briefing sheet as early as apply january, avoid the warnings of a pandem pandemic, went through march denying the impact, saying it would go away, some magic, even mocked about himself wearing a face mask and when it comes close to home, he freaks out, that's who donald trump is, donald trump cares about donald trump. as long as the american people are at risk it will go away, let's play politics, let's reopen the economy even if they're at risk but don't get it near me now it's freakout time. it shows the kind of self-indulgent person he really is and that's dangerous when you're head of state.

>> it pulls back the curtain on another big lie, he's not afraid of coronavirus, he lava level red that his staff isn't protecting him from a potentially deadly pandemic, he doesn't want to do the things frto keep us from getting it. >> practicing saftd, maybe going a little bit above and beyond just to be safe and secure yet there's been this recent spate about masks in the white house briefing room, kellyanne conway telling reporters they need to be respectful wearing masks. it looks to me pretty much all reporters are wearing the masks. i don't understand the resistance to doing a very simple measure that would protect the president, protect everyone around him and ensure his own safety but it's just too much for donald trump who loves to pretend that he's invincible

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it's 4:00 in the east. in the face of unrelenting fear about depression-era joblessness confirmed today in april jobs report and concerns over coronavirus infection rate projected to surge in the coming weeks based on multiple models today should be about you, your fears, your family's economic insecurity, your neighbor's food insecurity, your child's mortgage insecurity, today should be about what your government is doing to address your fears and anxieties for all americans. but for donald trump, today's public pronouncement that came in early in form of tweets and interviews today is about his unrelent i unrelenting threat of seeking revenge. a president who started this day by sending this tweet, quote, i do believe there's much more to come, the much more, though,

wasn't more testing supplies, the more in that tweet did not refer today to more economic relief, he was not tweeting today about more protective gear on its way to the healthcare workers. the more he was tweeting about was more promise carnage in his war against implicitly threatening his chri, james comey. even president obama and former vice president joe biden made today's hit list from the president. as donald trump repeated over and over again, more will be coming out soon. the man carrying out trump's revenge campaign against his own agency and the fbi, william barr spoke gleefully about the way history will document him. >> when history looks back on this decision, how do you think it will be written. >> well, history is written by

the winners. it largely depends on who's writing the history. >> unlike barr the president didn't even try to spin the motivation behind yesterday's action in today's tweets to completely erase robert mueller's probe into the russia attack on our democracy in 2016. >> if bill barr was your first attorney general, would there have been a mueller probe and russian hoax. >> no, he would have stopped it immediately, he saw it immediately, he would have seen it immediately. >> just pause on this for a minute attorney general we would not have investigated russian interference. to drop the flynn case, in dropping the charges law enforcement aban danned the stance of the career prosecutors who had been on the case.

quote, went to the heart of the fbi's trump/russia investigation. washington post adds this, it's highly unusual for the justice department to seek undo a guilty plea. comes just months after attorney general william barr pressed prosecutors in another one of mueller's cases to soften their recommendations for roger stone. now all eyes turn to emmett sullivan the federal judge who will have to rule on whether to greenlight the dismissal on the flynn case. joining us is now devlin barrett and jeremy bash and former acting solicitor deputy neal katyal. we're start there, neal, take us through what you just pen zbld so, you know, michael flynn pled

guilty twice in open court to these offenses and what the justice department did yesterday was they said basically, well, don't pay attention to all of that, and yes, michael flynn lied, but boy the prosecutors did something wrong here. the investigators did something wrong. they can't defend in this long memo what michael flynn did, he lied, he lead to the fbi, he lied to the vice president. he admitted all this in open court. they've decided to blame the prosecutors, like, johnnie cochran, if the lie fits you must acquit, something like that, the justice department sounds like basically a bunch of defense attorneys, and that's of course not the role of the department particularly in which a circumstance the person has pled guilty in which he has twice and that's why the justice department today is so demoralized. i have been talking to person

after person last night and today who are there and they're beside themselves because, you know, we've seen a lot of threats to the rule of law over the last three years, this kind of encapsulates it all, the purest form, if you're the president's pal, one kind of justice for you and if you're someone else, like the president's enemy you're something else. >> talk about it what's like to remove yourself from a case that you spend in the case of flynn he was charged years ago, working on -- my sense having worked in the white house is when something is so acute, so bad, that it seeps into public view from the doj, there's usually more under the surface, what's going on among the career prosecutors there? >> here, a very well respected brandon van grack withdrew moments before the decision yesterday. that happened when roger stone,

ordered a sweetheart deal for him. those career prosecutors withdrew as well. that's the most momentous action you can take. i never saw it during my time there. but president trump has managed to do it time and again. frankly, i think barr is hoping that these people leave, he's hoping people with a conscious who know the traditions of the department are going to, you know, just resign and protest, so he can fill them with lackeys of his choice, these are frankly thugs who are running the justice department right now and it's a real threat to the rule of law and barr's counting on the fact that his thuggery is going to work. i have bad news for him after these conversations yesterday and today, i think the men and women are a lot stronger than this.

the traditions of the department and the dna of the department is so strong and just like our country is strong enough to survive trump's missed a ventures on the pandemic, i think the justice department is strong enough to survive this. >> devlin, take me through judge sullivan, judge sullivan accused michael flynn of selling out his country, he has sought to have mike flynn affirmed the guilty plea it was pointed out to me by a former senior justice official yesterday, as recently as the end of 2019 in his courtroom he had flynn confirm the guilty plea, what are the tools in front of judge sullivan right now? >> well, judge sullivan actually has a very interesting history for this situation and that's judge sullivan oversaw the case against former senator ted stevens and in that case, when

it became clear that there were problems in the prosecution, judge sullivan appoint ed an outsider to essentially go back through all of what the justice department had done and report to him, his findings. so there's nothing that necessarily rules that out in this case, i think it would be a more difficult thing to do in this case than the ted stevens case, but i still think we have yet to hear from judge sullivan and i think judge sullivan isn't just going to say, okay, fine, don't care anymore, we'll all walk away. it could be a while until we see that. courts are essentially closed now. it may be some time before judge sullivan brings this thing to a head. >> courts are closed. i still got a parking ticket somehow in new york. i want to read something, jeremy

bash, that david, ignatius wrote, on the flynn russia tie. the fundamental question that got this story rolling in the first place why was the incoming national security adviser telling the kremlin man in washington not to worry about the expulsion of 35 of his spies because when the new administration takes office we'll review everything. with the accumulation of evidence since then about the scope of russian's subversion it's even more troubling. >> yeah, nicolle, there are two questions there, one is, why was kisylak told that by the incoming trump administration. as michael flynn lying about it? if that's new foreign policy of the new administration, they should just say it so publicly.

it's national security crisis on two levels. it's a gut punch to the rule of law, that separates us from autocratic like russia and china. this was an investigation about a foreign attack on our democracy, and as the edifice and the basis of that defense wall against that foreign attack is dismantle brick by brick, by william barr and president trump, our defenses are going to be going down in 2020. that's what president trump wants. he'll welcome russian interference. he may welcome chinese interference. this is a gift to the recommend clin, this is a gift to beijing, perfecting their cyber attacks. this is just the first element of it, nicolle. >> you served as chief of staff to two -- i have said this many times, in talking about your

body of government service, two most important agencies, what does it look as another agency to be led by bill barr, a smiling and sort of clucking about victors, you know, writing history and taking glee in overturning, this wasn't a cohersed confession, i understand from prosecutors that mike flynn confessed immediately to lying to the fbi, mike flynn lies to the fbi, admits to lying to the fbi, he pleads guilty, the only piece we don't know is who told him to lie to the fbi. now bill barr wraps both arms around a liar? >> it's a morale killer for law professionals. two roles, law enforcement rule, but it also has a national

security and intelligence role, also reporting to the director of national intelligence. what barr is doing, fbi don't do your counterintelligence job, don't do your job protecting the country from national security threats, given all the flash points in the world, all the threats we face, with respect to covid, attacks on our democracy heading into 2020, this is absolutely the wrong time to be dismantling the defenses at the fbi. >> devlin, your paper wrote this. that it's unusual for the justice department to seek to undo a guilty plea come months after barr forced to them soften the sense of roger stone, clearly an effort to undo the prosecutions carried out by the mueller team. mueller was appointed by rod

rosenstein. >> he's not talk something far. believe me we're asking. i think one of the things that's remarkable about the sequence of events, in the filing of the flynn case, there's not a career prosecutor on that filing and i think that's telling and alarming to a lot of folks in the justice department. we're waiting to hear from folks like rod rosenstein and some others of what they make of this accusation, this was kind of scam case. >> you know, neal, i want to come back to the big question here, because the mueller appointment by rod rosenstein came in place after jim comey was fired, jim comey's firing was examined as obstruction of justice but part of the coordination/collusion with russia. does barr's aggressive involvement in these cases raise his involvement in the russia.

do you think they're trying to say the dark part outline about foreign intervention ahead of 2020 election? >> number one is, the fact that the attorney general has taken this role when after all the whole reason we had a special counsel in the first place was because the attorney general's compromised in investigating the president and those high-ranking officials like flynn around him. there was too much -- the counsel found that flynn should be indicted. that was approved by rod rosenstein others and a new attorney general blowing that off and saying i can decide on myself. second, to go to your point about counterintelligence, that's exactly right, what jeremy was saying a moment

about, imagine you're a counterintelligence officer right now at the fbi, you learn that russians are trying to help trump in 2020 election, which, you know, there's reporting they want to do that, what are you going to do? you know that if you do that and you do your job, you've got trump coming after you, barr coming after you, you'll keep your head down. do their job and risk everything. that's a tough position to be in if you're in the intelligence community and this is a grave threat for our national security -- >> jeremy bash, i want to give you the last word, a thread that neal's raising and neal so brilliant even with the technical glitch, he manages to say more than i do with a clear mic. put a finer point, this was an ongoing counterintelligence investigation, opened in the summer, based on sketchy and

bizarre contacts between trump associates and the campaign and the theory of the investigation wasn't it was a plot, they were open the possibility they were unwitting, director brennan testified to that. what does it say now that everything that's come out and i actually think that one of the healthy things for our democracy is seeing all the background, the worry was that there were people perhaps unwittingly concluding with the russians, those questions haven't been answered, another election in six months and donald trump and bill barr have both signaled in trump's case he blurted it out loud to gst gst, they look at what a foreign government's got. >> not only that, nicolle, but have we already forgotten that the president got impeached because he invited a foreign government to interfere in our election, to dig up dirt, sham dirt on joe biden, this is the

president of the united states whose official go-to move in terms of getting elected and reelected is to welcome help from a foreign government. everyone has to look at this flynn decision in that context with eyes wide open going into 2020 that's what's happening. anyone who blows the whistle on is going to get called out. and who anyone defends it will get a clean bill of health from the attorney general. >> three of the best people on the planet to talk about it, thank you all for starting us off. when we come back -- a devastating jobs pictures, states pushing to reopen but the virus still looks like it could get worse before it gets better. a top member of the vice president's staff now tests positive for coronavirus. new concerns today about how

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economic devastation released today with the april jobs report. which found a loss of 20.5 million jobs and the unemployment rate soaring to 14.7% of all americans. numbers the likes this country hasn't seen since the greatru t rosy picture this morning calling the american people warriors and promising jobs will return, our friend ron klain declared this the formal start

of the trump depression, driving the president's push to reopen the economy despite the health risks. from nbc news reporting on the president getting briefed on the economy, quote, the projections has infuriated trump, who just told americans in the state of the union address, it's best. he lost it, one of them said. joining us now nbc and msnbc national affairs analyst john heilemann. everything i have said donald trump and put it over here for a minute. today, two news reports described him as lava level red and losing it. it's not an image of stability? >> those reports are a real clear look at how the president is feeling right now, just because one of his personal valets tested positive for vs.

vs. because of the economic down jrn turn that we're seeing because of the coronavirus under his watch, i think what's really fascinating is thinking back to the 2016 election and the way that then-candidate trump built himself as a great businessman take care of this country's economy, because of his ways of being a businessman. now we're seeing all of that slip out from underneath him, it doesn't take being a businessman to get a handle on the economy, what's curious, nicolle, we both know presidents are often punished at the ballot box. when i talk to voters, i hear this complex story they don't blame trump for the coronavirus but they view this virus of more financial threat than a health threat. >> john, the virus itself not donald trump's fault, the

consequences of a global pandemic not his fault either. the things that are in his control, that behavior has been well documented by investigative journalism, one month to six weeks that were squandered where the president refused to order the social distancing, mask wearing, against the virus, i take her point, i hear that people, too, all of his conduct since it started spreading like wildfire through this country. >> yeah, i mean, i don't think honestly, nicolle, look, i don't think there's a reasonable case to be made that the united states would not be hurting right now no matter who the president was, i think this -- there's not a country that's escaped this pandemic, everybody's been hit by it. governments have done -- some governments have done a much

better job handling it. the long-term economic effects and public health effects lay at donald trump's door. in may, the economy in this country would be in trouble, we would have to shut down more of the country. so i think it's understandable that there are some amount of forgiveness on part of voters who look at the economy, who say it's bad. a as voters go back and evaluate and what they saw in those lost two months you talked about, did the president handle this well or not? so much damning evidence out there that he didn't handle it well. then the question is, when we get to november, there's a going to be a lot of accumulated evidence of the president's handling of the pandemic and the

economy how that affects the economy by the time we get to november, again, as much as we can judge right now, because of his handling of the pandemic was back, now he's proceeding to open the economy as if the economy and public health aren't intimately interconnected, everybody's saying this is going to be potentially a disastrous on both fronts. you're looking at a president who could have the kind of second coming of herbert hoover. >> can i add something? >> yeah, go ahead. >> to john's point, to john's point, it doesn't matter who the president would be we'd be in economic downturn. that what matters is president trump's personality. not the type of personality that another republican president would show. that's fascinating. voters are looking at this

moment, totally devoid of politics. they don't someone to interject politics into a life and death situation. they don't like that trump is injecting politics in this time. they want someone who has a steady hand. people might understand the munition of contain a virus, they understand how to be a human and the type of leadership and emotions they want from their leaders right now, that's something that president trump can't learn. >> i mean, john, she said it much more eloquently the point i was getting at, you look at the support that governors are getting from governor newsom and governor cuomo, i hear from republicans anecdotely they're very supportive on the

disclosures and the truth-telling, the numbers are up 60%, donald trump's numbers have gone the other direction, they're even more polarizing than before, he's gotten more than 23%. to weigh in on decisions about when they step back outside of their homes. >> yeah, yes, yes. it's not just -- we always point to cuomo and gavin newsom, and the republicans in this category, larry hogan and mike dewine, and i think, it's exactly right, in a moment or life and death moments what voters -- they don't want division with, this is the main thing, what we talked about for 3 1/2 years with directionald t is that he sees no political value inspiring to unite the

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a second positive case of coronavirus in two days has been confirmed deep inside the trump white house. the vice president's press secretary katie miller has confirmed to nbc news that she's tested positive, her close work with vice president pence along with the fact that she's married to one of donald trump's top advisers, stephen miller, brings the virus ever closer to trump's inner circle. underscoring the need for extensive testing, miller said she's asymptomatic. joining us our conversation s

dr. rredlene, nobody wants the leaders of their country to get sick, these are two individuals in very close proximity to the president and the vice president and the vice president's aide is married to and i presume lives with one of if the president's closest policy advisers. >> nicolle, it's maddening on so many levels, i can't remember how many press briefings we saw over weeks and weeks where the president and the vice president had these clusters of people and ad is